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New Shoe Designed to Kick-Start Couch Potatoes

Terremoto writes "A student at west London's Brunel University has developed a shoe with a pedometer that controls the amount of time a TV will remain lit. If sufficient activity has not been achieved the TV remains uncooperative. The device is appropriately named, "Square-Eyes"."

236 comments

  1. Uh... by nebaz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    First reaction, cute, but what a stupid idea. I won't even go into how this is a technological innovation to enforce parenting, but if you really
    wanted to make sure someone was active instead of watching too much tv, why not hook an exercise bike up to a generator. You can watch tv as long
    as you pedal. This would sour kids on TV pretty quick, or get some exercise out of them. Either way, not a bad idea.

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    1. Re:Uh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, They shouldn't be too proud of this technological terror. It is insignificant compared to enforced parenting. These kids just need the right motivation.

    2. Re:Uh... by peculiarmethod · · Score: 5, Insightful

      his would sour kids on TV pretty quick, or get some exercise out of them. Either way, not a bad idea.

      Ummmm, no. You will force your kids to then go to their FRIENDS house, where their parents don't force anyone to ride a damn bike to watch the weather channel or MTV. Getting your kids to go away won't make them better people. Education and quality time (excersizing WITH THEM) is the key.. not Pavlovian training.

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    3. Re:Uh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      why not hook an exercise bike up to a generator.

      If someone built a silent exercise bike and generator, I'd be all for this. Now, its been a few years since I've seen an exercise bike or a treadmill, but I don't think I've ever seen a silent version of either.

    4. Re:Uh... by AnotherFreakboy · · Score: 4, Funny
      And then there is the potential for encouraging even further laziness.

      "I can't reach the remote, but if I sit here long enough the TV will turn itself off."
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    5. Re:Uh... by ScentCone · · Score: 2, Funny

      I've always liked the idea of rowing-machine handles in place of the space bar or enter key.... just posting on slashdot I'd look like Mr. Universe. Or, I'd stop posting on slasdot and feel better anyway.

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    6. Re:Uh... by Koiu+Lpoi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Thank you. I'm sure you will be/are a good father/mother.

    7. Re:Uh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or else connect the exercise bike to a generator, and to a video game console. The television would display a virtual bicycling game, correlated with movements of the "controller."

      It would sell. I'd certainly purchase one. Come to think of it, one of these was demonstrated a few years back at the New York Hall of Science.

    8. Re:Uh... by st1d · · Score: 1

      Do you have any idea how much power that would draw? The kids that could play those games would make Arnold whimper. The average, fairly healthy person can barely pedal a handful of 100 watt bulbs for a few seconds, much less power a TV and video game system for minutes at a time.

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    9. Re:Uh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No problem: they can go to their friends' after an hour of T.V. watching and homework. No T.V., then no going to friends' house that day either.

      Thoughts?

    10. Re:Uh... by Zonnald · · Score: 0

      Simple, the peddling only activates the circuit needed to open the Main power circuit!

    11. Re:Uh... by End11 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So, what your saying is, we need some sort of surgically implanted electrode in their head that will SHOCK them if they watch tv, no matter where they try to watch it? I like your thinking!

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    12. Re:Uh... by miskate · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, someone already did a study featuring exactly that a few years ago. I can't remember the details of the study, but what actually happened was that the kids stopped watching tv almost entirely and went outside to play instead.

    13. Re:Uh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Actually, it's been done, the local YMCA has some exercise bikes that you can watch TV, listen to music, or surf the internet(although on a touch screen, which makes it a pain to type)

      You enter your gender, age, and weight, and it cuts off if you go below a certain RPM.

      Can't rememeber what it was called, or I'm sure I could add a link. If anyone has heard of such a machine, please add one!

    14. Re:Uh... by dotgain · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Ditto. I am a parent of two, and hope there's plenty more people like 'peculiarmethod' still around.

      What is it with high-tech solutions to low-tech problems? I remember being asked (as a sysadmin at my last job) what a guy could do to stop his kid being exposed to naughty stuff on the net. My answer, "Be a parent to your son, not a sysadmin"

    15. Re:Uh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Getting your kids to go away won't make them better people.

      Unless of course, you're the kind of controlfreak that hooks up your kids' TV to an excercise bike. In that case your children can only benefit from some outside influence.

      And please don't be so negative about Pavlovian training. It may be very unfashionable at the moment, but it can be very beneficial, if only to override the Pavlovian training the television offers. (TV shows Big Mac, kid starts to drool.)

    16. Re:Uh... by Feztaa · · Score: 3, Funny

      You will force your kids to then go to their FRIENDS house, where their parents don't force anyone to ride a damn bike to watch the weather channel or MTV.

      Clearly, we must pass a law to for ALL televisions to be retrofitted with the bicycle generator as their sole source of power! Think of the children!

    17. Re:Uh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Taser? Cattle prod? AK-47?

    18. Re:Uh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you're all missing the point. Surely the idea is to encourage people to be aware of how much exercise they're not getting rather than falling into a brain-dead stupour of pointless television. Amazed that anyone would assume that the idea is to replace the on/off switch.

      This is a *good* idea.

    19. Re:Uh... by bbtom · · Score: 1

      I remember a PC magazine a while back hacked up an exercise bike so that you could either walk faster or fire faster in Doom depending on how fast you pedalled.

      Y'see, exercise can be fun when you put it in the context of "0MG, PORTMAN PORTMAN HOT GRITS IN MY PATNS!!1 I 0WN3D J00!" etc.

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    20. Re:Uh... by Klatma · · Score: 1

      Then get out there and purchase one. Here is a link to it. http://www.cateyefitness.com/GameBike/index.html

    21. Re:Uh... by pfurlong · · Score: 1

      There's a local gym targetted at teens and youths that does exactly this, except for gaming consoles.

      The longer you pedal the bike, the more you play Halo 2!

    22. Re:Uh... by The+Snowman · · Score: 1

      And please don't be so negative about Pavlovian training. It may be very unfashionable at the moment, but it can be very beneficial, if only to override the Pavlovian training the television offers. (TV shows Big Mac, kid starts to drool.)

      I watch very little TV, but I see this all the time. My wife usually has it on (some of the CSI type shows are okay and I will sit down for 10-15 minutes to watch) and those commercials are insane. They pull every trick in the psychological book to get people not to buy their products, but to crave their products to the point they must have them. Maybe hooking up an exercise bicycle to the TV in order to watch those Big Mac commercials might be a good idea. Children would be more athletic, but die at 30 with high cholesterol and triglycerides.

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    23. Re:Uh... by SomeoneGotMyNick · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What is it with high-tech solutions to low-tech problems?

      This borders on hypocrisy. Every parent is guilty one way or another of taking the easy way out with their children, or setting a poor example. How many times has any given parent really been a good example when they add up their monthly bills on a calculator while their kids are struggling in math and are told by the parent they need to learn to do the problems on paper. Heck, I even switched to an analog wristwatch while they were learning to tell time.

      This isn't the "Hi honey, I'm home" 1950/60 era anymore. The Square Eyes device has some merit for families where both parents work. The after school baby sitter (ANY baby sitter) cannot be fully trusted to follow a strict set of television watching rules. Square Eyes (and similar devices) can at least help ensure privileges can be limited if that's desired.

    24. Re:Uh... by PreviouslySeen · · Score: 1

      This isn't the "Hi honey, I'm home" 1950/60 era anymore.

      More's the pity.

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    25. Re:Uh... by MicroBerto · · Score: 2, Interesting
      The after school baby sitter (ANY baby sitter) cannot be fully trusted to follow a strict set of television watching rules.

      Ummm... why not? If you're paying a baby sitter, make them enforce the damned rules or get another one.

      Or sign them up for an after-school sport/chess club/activity/whatever. No TV there.

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    26. Re:Uh... by Placido · · Score: 1

      You mean something like this?

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    27. Re:Uh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah, 'cause having stressed, overworked dads and depressed, home-bound moms was awesome for society.

    28. Re:Uh... by PreviouslySeen · · Score: 1

      yeah, just as awesome as two stressed overworked parents.

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    29. Re:Uh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do realize that by them going to their friend's house to watch TV that that is getting them to exercise right? Provided that you, as a parent, don't give them car transportation.

      If the kids are extremely lazy from watching tv, they will be extremely lazy to go outside to get to their friend's house.

    30. Re:Uh... by Blkdeath · · Score: 2, Funny
      I've always liked the idea of rowing-machine handles in place of the space bar or enter key.... just posting on slashdot I'd look like Mr. Universe.

      I'vegotoneofthosekeyboards,itworksreallywelltoen forceexcersize.I'vebeenusingitforsixmonthsnowbutIh aven't lostanyweight.

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    31. Re:Uh... by Blkdeath · · Score: 1
      Education and quality time (excersizing WITH THEM) is the key.. not Pavlovian training.

      A suggestion that might do some good for overweight, out of shape parents as well. Sometimes it's nice to take your children, nieces and nephews out for a bike ride. Or, if you have enough of them, organize a team game in a park - baseball, soccer, football, ...

      Now that the summer is upon us it wouldn't be a crime to take children swimming, either. Remember beaches? Public pools?

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    32. Re:Uh... by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      I can count on one hand the number of times, in the last six months, that a comment on /. as actually made me chuckle out loud. Nice.

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    33. Re:Uh... by dotgain · · Score: 1
      Gee, thanks for making all number of assumptions on how I do my parenting, and stopping just short of calling me a hypocrite.

      It's not as if I said I haven't taken an easy way out of a couple of situations, hell - my wife's the one that spends most of the time with the kids while I'm at work. As for your calculator/wristwatch example, WTF?!?!

      FWIW, our household doesn't even have television, just a VCR and monitor. When the time is right, and the boy has been good, he gets to watch one of his favourite movies. And we're totally in control of that. No, I can't agree that the square-eyes device has merit or use. I've you've got the willpower to let the shoes tell you when you can watch TV, let it go all the way, and enforce your own TV habits, that's the only way it's going to work.

    34. Re:Uh... by Vombatus · · Score: 1
      Summer?

      Summer?

      Then why has the ice started to form on my car every morning?

      OHHHHHHHH, you meant in the NORTHERN half of the world.

      Why didnt you say so? Unless you want people to join the Bondi Icebreakers (people who brave Sydney's Bondi Beach in winter)

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    35. Re:Uh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, another Democrat in the house - let's pass a law. Yeah, that's what we need; more laws.

    36. Re:Uh... by DeadChobi · · Score: 1

      Ahem. *ding!*

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    37. Re:Uh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's this game called Dance Dance Revolution. Basically, it requires you to make aerobic leg movements in time with dance music. Y'see, the beauty of it is that you lose the song if you cant keep up with the "steps." Plus you get to listen to all the obnoxious music you want, as long as you can keep feeding the device money. The entire pupose of the game is to get you to exercise while playing video games. Pretty ingenious, huh?

    38. Re:Uh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Heck, I even switched to an analog wristwatch while they were learning to tell time.

      So you're one of those people who thinks digital watches are a really good idea?

    39. Re:Uh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      This isn't the "Hi honey, I'm home" 1950/60 era anymore.

      More's the pity.

      I know, I can't tell you how much I miss McCarthyism, Segregation, Polio, Huge long distance bills, etc.

    40. Re:Uh... by PreviouslySeen · · Score: 1

      Nor can you tell me how much you missed the point anonymous asshole.

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  2. Yeah, I'll run down to the store by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    And buy a pair... right after this show is over.

    1. Re:Yeah, I'll run down to the store by sound+vision · · Score: 0

      That post actually proved a point. Only people willing to tacke action to exercsise will buy this... but they wouldn't need it. The people who need it won't bother. Pointless!

    2. Re:Yeah, I'll run down to the store by dotgain · · Score: 2, Funny
      Reminds me of a device sold in the 80's to "help" people stop smoking. It was in the form of a plastic box with a lockable top and an electronic timer. The time between being "allowed" a smoke got increasingly larger, until one was supposedly weaned off. Of course, you still had to buy your smokes (in an insecure cardboard box) and responsibly chuck all 20 inside the locking box when that packet ran out.

      Guess how well that worked...

      Pity, I was a kid at the time, you'd think the pity I had on the smokers at the time would have kept me miles away from them.

  3. How long before somebody hacks this? by guyfromindia · · Score: 1

    :) Just to prove that geeks will hack anything ...

    1. Re:How long before somebody hacks this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The geek version restricts access to Slashdot.

    2. Re:How long before somebody hacks this? by spikesahead · · Score: 1

      How? By banging it against the coffee table?

    3. Re:How long before somebody hacks this? by slapout · · Score: 1

      Just as soon as the UPS guy delivers it to their door.

      (And their mom picks it up and brings it to their room. :-)

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    4. Re:How long before somebody hacks this? by d474 · · Score: 2, Funny
      ":) Just to prove that geeks will hack anything ..."
      It doesn't take a geek to figure out this hack: not buying the shoes in the first place.
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    5. Re:How long before somebody hacks this? by chris_mahan · · Score: 1

      No, the geek version restricts access to the articles referred to, and to all the links in the comments.

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    6. Re:How long before somebody hacks this? by Captain+DaFt · · Score: 1

      Actually, all it would take is a simple 555 based pulse generator to replace the switch. Should take less than US$5.00 and ten minutes time.

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    7. Re:How long before somebody hacks this? by WIAKywbfatw · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's not a "hack", that's a "workaround". Or in this case, perhaps that should be a "not workaround".

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    8. Re:How long before somebody hacks this? by kurzweilfreak · · Score: 1

      Boy would that be wasted here...

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  4. Now comes hte hack, by a3217055 · · Score: 1

    What happens if someone invets feet that can put these shoes on and then these feet can get on a treadmill. The couch potatoes don't need shoes they need drugs that will want them to go out there and run.

    1. Re:Now comes hte hack, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not strap them onto a bungee string and hook it up to the dog's collar?

  5. Does not compute... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who wears their shoes when they're watching TV?

  6. shoe? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I swing my leg when watching TV that is movment...won't work.

  7. I foresee.. by Prophetic_Truth · · Score: 1

    this endeavor failing.. I dont need to buy a shoe to teach me self control.

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  8. Huh. by CobaltTiger · · Score: 1

    This will be a big help for all of us staring at computer monitors.

  9. Maybe by Bananatree3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If they could somehow program it for those of us who , (guilty) surf the web for hours on end, sitting in front of the computer... Until then, I will continue to wander the net...

    1. Re:Maybe by QuaZar666 · · Score: 1

      but do you want your computer to just shut off while you are in the middle of recompiling [insert program of choice]?

    2. Re:Maybe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just lock the screen, with ample warning.

    3. Re:Maybe by bbtom · · Score: 1

      No, just direct user input to /dev/null. Or make it so that an artificial inhibitor is placed on your ping time depending on how much exercise you've done.

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  10. Doesn't work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fat nerd kids will design a system that walks the shoes for them, powered by electricity.

    Fat smart nerd kids will hack the shoe and update the step counter.

    1. Re:Doesn't work by atomm1024 · · Score: 1

      And the really smart kids won't buy the shoes.

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  11. Finally! by Karl+Tacheron · · Score: 5, Funny

    A use for the "feet" category!

    1. Re:Finally! by d474 · · Score: 1
      A use for the "feet" category!
      Why didn't they use the "fat-ass" category? That's curious.
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  12. Sounds like a great idea... by Stevyn · · Score: 4, Funny

    until people remember the "tumble no heat" setting on their dryer while they're looking for the receipt to return the damn thing.

    1. Re:Sounds like a great idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Naahhh... I'm taping the shoe to my wrist and watching some porn.

  13. Nice idea... by thegoogler · · Score: 3, Insightful

    but truly lazy people will always find a way to be lazy. they'll just pick up the shoes and shake them, or somesuch. to make it think they walked. as with previous idea's like this, its worthless if its even semi-easily trickable

    1. Re:Nice idea... by coolguyclay · · Score: 1

      Or perhaps the truely lazy just won't buy the dang things at all : )

    2. Re:Nice idea... by f1r3f0g · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Or they'll pick up the shoes and put them in the dryer on tumble, no heat.

    3. Re:Nice idea... by Fireflymantis · · Score: 0

      Actually. I would love these shoes if it could be hacked to do the reverse of the intended purpose. It would be cool that whenver you stopped moving and sat down in the proximity of the TV it would automatically come on, and when you got up, it would go off.

      ...Would really anger your friends though watching TV with you when the movie your watching dies when you get up to get some sweet sweet chips & dip.

    4. Re:Nice idea... by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 1
      No, more like they'll just turn the bloody things off. The trouble with these products is that they discourage someone from fufilling an addiction. If craving for addiction > willpower to use device, they'll just not use the device. And when you think about it, if they had the willpower to use the device, why not just get rid of the device and use that willpower to control the addiction?

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    5. Re:Nice idea... by dotgain · · Score: 1

      Or even copy & paste other people's comments instead of thinking of their own! Seriously man, if you're going to do that, pull them from another story, but not from five comments up the page!

    6. Re:Nice idea... by xenotrout · · Score: 1

      Just take off your shoes while watching TV. If your floors are sufficiently clean (and your feet sufficiently lacking odor), it makes perfect sense; it's more comfortable, no matter how comfortable the shoes.

  14. Kids by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh great, now kids will start banging their shoes against whatever they can find to get the TV to turn back on... I guess that's still exercise, though :P

  15. Side Effect by MooseByte · · Score: 4, Funny
    "developed a shoe with a pedometer that controls the amount of time a TV will remain lit."

    Immediately creating a kids' grey market of slipping allowances to other kids to wear these shoes on behalf of the targeted couch potato.

    $5 per hour's worth of TV time, $15 during Sweeps Week.

    1. Re:Side Effect by 0x20 · · Score: 1

      creating a kids' grey market of slipping allowances to other kids to wear these shoes ...Or just forcing future slashdot readers to wear them via liberal applications of swirlies.

  16. Don't worry little couch potatoes... by meatflower · · Score: 0

    Less than a week after this is released I'm sure you'll be able to find something like this all over the newsgroups and crack sites...

    Square Eyes v. 1.00-1.01 Crack.rar
    from the .nfo file:
    +Enables Unlimited TV viewing
    +Set number of steps from 0-100000

  17. Yeah, right. by EnsilZah · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Day one: Wow, look at this new thing i got, it'll motivate me to run. *run run run* *watch TV*
    Day two:*run run* *watch TV*
    Day three: Damn, my favorite show is on but i haven't run enough, i'll disconnect the running thing just this once...
    THE END.

    1. Re:Yeah, right. by Bob+Cat+-+NYMPHS · · Score: 1

      Yrs, but can you then use it to hang clothes on, like my, err, *a* treamill?

  18. Demoralize a kid why don't you by CrazyJim1 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Its hard enough to play slow stages on DDR. If you make the television shut off if he's not dancing fast enough, that's just cruel.

    1. Re:Demoralize a kid why don't you by templest · · Score: 1

      You deserve every funny mod point in the world. That image in my head literally made me completely crack-up. My gut still hurts. :)

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    2. Re:Demoralize a kid why don't you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      i agree, but look at this picture while reading, it makes it even better:

      http://www.chrisruzin.net/images/uploads/dancing_b oy.gif

      (no, it's not tubgirl/eels/omelette/goatse or anything like that (at least while i was looking at it), you have the word of an anonymous coward)

    3. Re:Demoralize a kid why don't you by Reene · · Score: 1

      Eels? Omelette? What the hell kind of developments in shock sites have I been missing lately?

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    4. Re:Demoralize a kid why don't you by HeliumHigh · · Score: 0

      What are you doing LETTING your child play DDR? It's DDR! Devil's Destruction Ray.. or something along those lines. For pete's sake, think of the children!

  19. Obligatory by 13bPower · · Score: 1

    'Worst idea EVER.'- comic book guy

  20. Completely Untrue by heptapod · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From the article:
    "Today's children are exposed to a raft of television programmes and children's channels. Ten years ago, children were entertained by playing games with their friends, now they are cooped up in their bedrooms watching hours of television programmes," she said.

    Ten years ago, 1995, kids were pursuing a sedentary lifestyle of watching TV and playing videogames with their friends.

    1. Re:Completely Untrue by meatflower · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This brings up a good point actually. A lot of people are used to saying "10 years ago....", but they're really refering to the 80's, or even sometimes earlier. 20 years ago? yeah, children were probably playing more board games or playing with their friends than watching tv or videogames, but 10 years ago? Like the original poster said, yeah right, that was 1995!

      These "experts" need to wake up and realise that we're not living in the 90's anymore.

    2. Re:Completely Untrue by Doomstalk · · Score: 5, Funny

      playing videogames with their friends.

      You had friends?! Er, uh. I mean, yeah! I played video games with my friends all the time!

    3. Re:Completely Untrue by kasparov · · Score: 1

      It occurs to me that I graduated high school in 1995. /me sighs and goes to bed early

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    4. Re:Completely Untrue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      "20 years ago? yeah, children were probably playing more board games or playing with their friends than watching tv or videogames,"

      You make a good point, but even 20 years ago, we were watching Transformers and GI Joe, and playing games on the newly released Nintendo Entertainment System.

    5. Re:Completely Untrue by xwildph · · Score: 0
      Ten years ago, 1995, kids were pursuing a sedentary lifestyle of watching TV and playing videogames with their friends.

      Err, not quite,

      Ten years ago, 1995, kids were pursuing a sedentary lifestyle of watching TV and playing videogames with their friends.

      Todays kids, are out on the street at all hours, drinking booze, smoking fags, doing drugs, and generally terrorising the local community, especially little old ladies.

      XW

    6. Re:Completely Untrue by Twinbee · · Score: 1

      Perhaps that says something about the state of the quality of the games around that time compared to now.

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  21. Simpler method by lheal · · Score: 1

    that doesn't require Frankensteinian cleverness.

    Play "air drums" with the shoes.

    Or tie a bungie cord to the treadmill your lazy self should be on, hook the shoes to either end, and give them a jolt now and then. Every commercial or so ought to be enough.

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    1. Re:Simpler method by Karl+Cocknozzle · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Play "air drums" with the shoes.

      I don't know about you, but the way I become the mime-drummer is much more energetic than any 10,000 step walk could ever be. But I did ask myself what if the kid had a nervous tick where he bounced his knee under his desk all day? Would that cock up the computations? I'd imagine so...
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    2. Re:Simpler method by Boronx · · Score: 1

      But then they've already shown that those of us with nervous ticks burn a lot of energy that way anyway.

  22. Technological fix by Potor · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yeah - it's in fact the exact opposite of self-control. It's really surrendering your will to the machine - and now the machine is in the ghost.

  23. Interesting concept by Sv-Manowar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The idea behind this seems quite good, rewarding exercise with television, but 2 hours for 15,000 steps (both daily recommended amounts, according to the article..) seems a little low. Most kids, even if they take to such a device, are going to be watching more than 2 hours TV a day.

    As for the article's claim that this will be an 'eye-opener' for those with a sedimentary lifestyle, I think it would be more likely to join the realms of exercise equipment old and new that sits unused while its owners procrastinate about getting more exercise.

    1. Re:Interesting concept by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My 3yo maybe averages 2 hours a MONTH, maybe even 3-6 MONTHS

    2. Re:Interesting concept by spasticus74 · · Score: 1

      sedimentary? as in layers of dirt?

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    3. Re:Interesting concept by pocketfuzz · · Score: 2, Funny
      As for the article's claim that this will be an 'eye-opener' for those with a sedimentary lifestyle..



      Yeah, because too much TV makes you igneous!

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  24. Is it cheating... by stephenisu · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Is it cheating to play DDR? (Dance Dance Revolution)

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    1. Re:Is it cheating... by froghermit · · Score: 5, Funny

      This will make the child go into an infinite loop and the child will crash.

    2. Re:Is it cheating... by AndroidCat · · Score: 2, Funny

      Terminating zombie children isn't unknown in the Unix world.

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  25. Re: Even better by ockegheim · · Score: 3, Funny
    why not hook an exercise bike up to a generator?

    Or your computer! It could power the video card or something, so you have to exercise to get a decent fps.

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  26. What a coincidence!!! by d474 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Just last month I invented a TV that won't release the electronic lock on my shoe closet door until I've watched 6 hours of TV.

    Daddy likey.

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  27. If I'd had these when I was a kid... by twocoasttb · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'd have bribed my brother and/or sister to run around in them for me just like I bribed them to sneak into the kitchen and take five or ten minutes off the timer when I was practicing the piano. Of course, if I hadn't been practicing the piano, I would have been running around outside anyway. My parents were very strict about how much T.V. we could watch. Too bad that doesn't happen much anymore...

  28. It's not really about enforcement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Children learn from feedback. It's not about punishment, because of course any punished kid can find a way around it. It's about communicating expectations.

    Surprisingly, children desperately want to do what their parents think is right. They have a rebellious stage, but on the whole they want approval.

    In communities where the children are taught very clearly what the expectations are and the expectations are consistent, children tend to follow them, in the end. This is why religions survive. You rebel for a few years, but you come back to what you were taught in the end if you possibly can. Whether you think that's a good thing or not depends on your view of religion, but not important here.

    Honestly, I don't know how long I need to be active, because my parents didn't teach me. I don't feel a creeping sense that something is wrong if I haven't exercised in a few days. I also don't feel a creeping sense of wrongness if I haven't done the dishes or made my bed, but I do if I haven't washed my hands, read a book, paid my bills...

    It doesn't matter if your kids aren't doing the right thing for a while. What matters is if they know what the right thing is.

    1. Re:It's not really about enforcement by electrofreak · · Score: 0
      It's not about punishment, because of course any punished kid can find a way around it.

      Of course, the kids will just learn a way around this by simply unhooking the damn thing. And idealy, the parents will be to busy to notice it's unhooked so that the kid can actually say "Yes mommy, I did walk for my TV time today."

      I don't really see the enforcement in that. It's just a flawed idea to make parenting even easier for those parents that can't be bothered to raise kids. Just like the leap-frog reading things for little kids. Why not just read to your child!?

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    2. Re:It's not really about enforcement by The+Snowman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I don't really see the enforcement in that. It's just a flawed idea to make parenting even easier for those parents that can't be bothered to raise kids. Just like the leap-frog reading things for little kids. Why not just read to your child!?

      I use a Leapfrog with my son, the key word being "with." It is interactive. I talk with him, show him objects on the page, and he touches them and gets even more feedback. The majority of the time, however, is on road trips. If you are stuck in a car with a young child for 10 or more hours at a time you try to find activities where you can put something on his lap in the back seat and keep him occupied. Whether this is a Leapfrog, another toy, or a portable DVD player, it sure helps keep his boredom from turning into a ten hour crying spree.

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  29. The shoe also has an AI builtin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dave...get off the couch.

    1. Re:The shoe also has an AI builtin by kurzweilfreak · · Score: 1
      "But HAL, I just wanna watch for a little while!"

      "I'm afraid I can't let you do that, Dave."

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    2. Re:The shoe also has an AI builtin by mark-t · · Score: 4, Funny
      But do they dream?

      ....

      Maybe they do. Shoes have soles, after all.

      (Ba-dum-ching!)

      (I'm gonna be modded down for this... I just know it)

    3. Re:The shoe also has an AI builtin by lyoz · · Score: 1

      lol! (I'm gonna be modded down for this... I just know it)
      Huh!!! You wish

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    4. Re:The shoe also has an AI builtin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (+1, Punny)

  30. Just another... by parasonic · · Score: 0

    Just another product about to go "As Seen on TV!" Ah, the irony.

  31. Re: Even better by l810c · · Score: 1

    A bike won't do. We need something with a wrist strap.

  32. twitchy foot cheat by manx801 · · Score: 1

    What about the millions who involuntarily jerk their feet up and down while watching TV? Will they be rewarded for bad behavior?

  33. This Shoe Helps Prevent Type II Diabetes in Kids by Rob+Carr · · Score: 3, Informative
    Type II diabetes is at epidemic levels in the United States, and those diabetics are doing a very poor job of treating their illness.

    The DPP study showed that exercise and diet were two critical ways to prevent diabetes. As it is, Type II diabetes is being seen in children, when a generation ago it was a disease of older people.

    Diabetes can be controlled, but it is still a life-threatening illness. I made the mistake of thinking that I was "too old to run." I became a diabetic as a result of that stupidity.

    This shoe may be a form of "pinhead responsibility," but pinhead responsibility is better than no responsibility whatsoever. If it enables parents to control TV and exercise in their children, then it will be useful.

    Is it a weak solution to the problem? Certainly. Can it be hacked by the child? More than likely. But at least it's a start. It sure beats kidney failure, heart disease, blindness, stroke, impotence, and death. It certainly beats the cost of all those little kids spending their lives as diabetics.

    Heck, it beats having to pass up deserts. Unless you are a diabetic, you have no idea how this disease sucks.

    Does it run Linux? I'm sure someone will find a way, and it might even improve the system!

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  34. My shoes work already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Just watch those kids scramble out of the house when I give them a good boot to the backside...

  35. Negative Reenforcement by miyako · · Score: 4, Funny

    This is a neat idea and all, but I think they really have it backwords. Given the quality of most tv, how 'bout making it so that the TV won't turn off unless you have gotten enough proper excercise? Not only will this motivate people to exercise, but if they forget, then when the TV pops on, it's even more motivation to get some excercise by walking out of the room.

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    1. Re:Negative Reenforcement by NanoGator · · Score: 1

      "This is a neat idea and all, but I think they really have it backwords. Given the quality of most tv, how 'bout making it so that the TV won't turn off unless you have gotten enough proper excercise? Not only will this motivate people to exercise, but if they forget, then when the TV pops on, it's even more motivation to get some excercise by walking out of the room."

      Normally I wouldn't find this joke funny, but my girlfriend's in the other room watching 'Stacked'.

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    2. Re:Negative Reenforcement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As if the other stuff wasn't bad as well

  36. If only they could do it for computers by winkydink · · Score: 1

    We could reduce the mumber of geeks that resemble Jabba the Hut.

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  37. Remember Nintendo... by da3dAlus · · Score: 2, Funny

    Does anyone else the running pad accessory for the NES? Came with a game that had you running in place and competing with your friends? I distinctly remember that it was more fun (and easier) to just kneel down on the floor and smack the sensors with your hands, rather than try to jog in place. I just see kids getting around this by shaking the shoe or otherwise triggering the pedometer to falsely increase their "mileage". Stated previously: cute, but stupid.

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    1. Re:Remember Nintendo... by Vann_v2 · · Score: 1

      And for the long jump you just stepped off the pad for ten seconds or so and then stepped back on. Wow, I jumped 100 feet!

    2. Re:Remember Nintendo... by CableModemSniper · · Score: 1

      You owe me a new monitor.

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    3. Re:Remember Nintendo... by AvantLegion · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Nintendo Power Pad, and World Class Track Meet.

    4. Re:Remember Nintendo... by JohnFluxx · · Score: 1

      A theme park in the UK, Thorpe park, used to give prizes away if you won at X number of their arcade machines.

      There was one which was whack-a-rat - where they pop out of the hole.

      A couple of us sat on it, covering all the holes, and got very high scores, winning mugs or something.

  38. Shoes on hands by Saeger · · Score: 1

    Anybody's who ever played with a pedometer knows how easy it is to shake it to fake footsteps. True couch potatos -- especially fat kids whose parents force this on them -- would just cheat using by shaking their shoes to keep watching TV without having to move the ass. Bigger arms tho...

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    1. Re:Shoes on hands by Rob+Carr · · Score: 3, Interesting
      The energy expended by the human body while watching TV is actually less than the energy expended sitting, doing nothing. If this device forces the kids to sit there and shake their foot, it's an improvement.

      I do wonder what this decreased energy expenditure while watching TV says about the ability to think while watching TV....

      No, wait. I don't wonder at all!

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    2. Re:Shoes on hands by StratoChief66 · · Score: 1

      Put one of these babies in a paint shaker and watch that counter fly up!

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    3. Re:Shoes on hands by BillyBlaze · · Score: 1

      That, if true, is an interesting statistic, but I'd like to know where it came from.

    4. Re:Shoes on hands by Rob+Carr · · Score: 1
      That, if true, is an interesting statistic, but I'd like to know where it came from.

      There have been several studies on energy expenditure and human beings. The usual method is to collect the exhalate and measure the decrease in the oxygen or the increase in carbon dioxide, or both. If you also measure the volume exhaled, then you have a pretty good measure of energy expenditure with time.

      A cruder method is to measure your heart rate. If you've got one of the many heart monitors used by runners or cyclists, this is trivial.

      The study's been done several times. I thought there was one in Noakes The Lore of Running but I can't find it. Then again, finding anything in Noakes' book is difficult.

      To make a point, I've had people put on my heart monitor and watch TV or play cards or read a book. I haven't told them what I was doing, and guaranteed, they'll drop their heart rate the greatest while watching most TV (24 and Babylon 5 and a few other shows excepted).

      I now watch TV standing up or doing something else that will force me to be active.

      If I can find the reference, I'll post it as a follow-up to this message.

      I've started using my blog as a way to find references to a lot of this stuff!

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  39. YES! by ToasterofDOOM · · Score: 1

    I lucked out of this one - because of ADD I fidget so much that i'll get miles just sitting at home, and I get told that I'm getting work done! I'm all for this!

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  40. Stupid idea? Or next Gill Bates? by rice_burners_suck · · Score: 1
    So what they'll do is disconnect the device from the television. Or duct tape the shoes to something that vacillates.

    This kind of invention isn't really going to accomplish anything. If you're obese, stop eating at McDonald's and all those places. Instead, try making your own food. Get your family, friends, and neighbors involved. Go for a walk sometime. Maybe just get rid of your television and find other activities to do. There are a zillion things to be done in the world. (A zillion is a lot of things.) Instead of wasting away in front of the stupid tube, why not do one of those activities? That would be much better.

    And if you truly believe that you won't bypass this shoe thing with your television, and that's what will get you motivated, then by all means, go for it. But I think this is a stupid idea.

    1. Re:Stupid idea? Or next Gill Bates? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is a stupid idea. So is "just change your way of thinking about food, exercize and entertainment." It's not like fat people don't know why they're fat.

      Try applying your reasoning to drug addiction and see how ridiculous it sounds. "If you're a meth addict, stop taking meth, and take walks instead. There are lots of things to do besides meth. Meth is a big waste of time and you should do something else."

      Hell, we let smokers and drinkers spend years not quite quitting, and those are addictions that most people don't already have at age 12. Pretending that people can change their lifestyle without incredible committment is nothing short of disrespectful ignorance, and no more useful that these silly shoes.

    2. Re:Stupid idea? Or next Gill Bates? by NanoGator · · Score: 1

      "So what they'll do is disconnect the device from the television. Or duct tape the shoes to something that vacillates."

      Or not buy them...

      Typical geeks. Always trying to find a snazzy solution to the problem. Am I the only one that's ever tried to talk the boss into letting me 'stress test' new computers by installing Quake on them?

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      "Derp de derp."
  41. Won't stop anyone... by derEikopf · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If someone has the willpower to wear these shoes and let them control the TV...then he has the willpower to go running anyway.

  42. Solved. by NineNine · · Score: 1

    Ever see a fat speed freak?

    1. Re:Solved. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ever see a speed freak with teeth? Or a reliable long-term job?

      Try again. Speed is good, but it's not a long-term solution for anything.

  43. Prediction: kid sues parents by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Kid claims TV watching is a right!

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  44. New chip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Finally something this country needs, "the Fat Chip".

  45. As Seen On The Couch by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

    Wait, I saw this on TV... I should get out more.

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  46. great... by Bunny+Slippers · · Score: 2, Funny

    another way for older brothers to torture their younger brothers! "Run up and down the stairs until I tell you to stop or I'll beat the crap out of you"

    1. Re:great... by StratoChief66 · · Score: 1

      But think of all the younger brothers and how they will be getting in great shape doing this! We older brothers are really doing it for their benefit, not ours!

      Brought to you by the Association of Older Brothers of America

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  47. Just chuck em in the dryer for hours of tv watchin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Talked about this at work at lunch.

    Or, you could tap your feet while watching tv.

    tippity tappity tippity tapptiy

  48. Re:This Shoe Helps Prevent Type II Diabetes in Kid by TheOriginalRevdoc · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "If it enables parents to control TV and exercise in their children, then it will be useful."

    A parent can turn off the TV. (A parent can even get rid of the TV.) A parent can make sure that their children eat well. A parent can make sure that their children get an adequate amount of exercise.

    If these things aren't already happening, a stupid pair of shoes won't help. People need to take responsibility for themselves, not abrogate it to a microcontroller.

  49. I think this will just waste electricity by CrazyJim1 · · Score: 0, Redundant

    When a kid's parents leave the room, all he has to do is chuck them in the dryer while he watches television.

  50. Shoes in the house? by Jardine · · Score: 1

    I guess there are parts of the world where people wear shoes in the house but in places where snow and mud make up most of the year, the first thing you do when coming into the house is take your shoes off.

    Could this technology be put into a pair of socks?

    1. Re:Shoes in the house? by michaelhood · · Score: 1

      No problem. It's powered by ShoeTooth.

    2. Re:Shoes in the house? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you could just turn japanese, and have indoor shoes, that are never worn outdoors, and outdoor shoes that are taken off in the entry, and you could have the indoor and outdoor shoes communicate via bluetooth... or something like that....

  51. Pedometer? by phenopticon · · Score: 1

    I'd imagine getting a high rating on a pedometer would get you arrested.

    Unless you're in bangkok.

  52. Now both ends... by Crash+McBang · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... will have to be covered in foil!

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  53. Re:This Shoe Helps Prevent Type II Diabetes in Kid by Rob+Carr · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Look, you and I are intelligent.

    I was a paramedic for far too many years. You have no idea the average level of human stupidity, nor just how bad the average level of parenting is.

    Would we need this? Probably not. Are there folks out there for whom this would be useful?

    Far too many.

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  54. Bracelet version of this device... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There should be a bracelet version of this device that senses if there is TOO MUCH hand activity and will change the station from that porn channel to the Disney channel LOL Well actually, that might cause even MORE hand movement for some people :-/

  55. By your logic... by catbutt · · Score: 3, Insightful

    giving kids an allowance is using a device to enforce parenting. You should just give them a credit card with a high limit, and teach them not to spend too much.

    Get over yourself.

    1. Re:By your logic... by oirtemed · · Score: 0, Troll

      Get over yourself. Your analogy was useless. How is an allowance, which should be a reward - something earned, like a shoe which enforces tv restrictions?

    2. Re:By your logic... by catbutt · · Score: 1

      Um, TV is the reward.

      And for most allowance isn't a reward, it is an allocation, like $X per week. I don't see how it is so different than X hours per 10000 steps.

    3. Re:By your logic... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On no account should TV ever be treated as a reward.

      Never, ever.

    4. Re:By your logic... by poor_boi · · Score: 1

      Err... you "earn" your TV time by exercising. You "earn" your allowance by doing your weekly chores. I don't see much difference. I don't think the shoe is a viable idea. Even if it was, I don't think kids will take well to being parented by an insole.

    5. Re:By your logic... by NetFu · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree with another poster that TV is NOT a reward.

      The whole problem in your analogy is you're not seeing that the allowance comparison does NOT involve the use of a device to enforce your parental rules. This thing is a device that people are supposed to use to babysit their kids, much like they already use TV.

      Either way, that's wrong.

      With an allowance, your kid has to do certain chores for the week (homework, cleaning room, helping, being nice/good, etc.) to get the allowance. There is no device monitoring your kid to make sure they did all that stuff, you are supposed to verify it because YOU are the parent, not some device. Software like NetNanny is similarly warped.

      If someone came out with some monitor that you put around your kid's neck to verify they did everything they were supposed to to get their allowance, I think we'd be against that, too.

      I don't think anybody objecting to the use of this device has a problem with a parent telling their kid they have to go play at the park for 2 hours to watch TV for 2 hours:

      The problem is when you depend on a device to do your job as a parent.

      I know some people have to work during the day and leave their kids at day care, but it has to stop SOMEWHERE. At some point, you have to take the responsibility that comes with being a parent.

      Some people will justify the use of a device like this by saying it's just a way for them to make absolutely sure their kids are doing what they tell them.

      If that's your excuse for using crutches like these, you need to work on your relationship with your kid!

      And, I'm speaking as a geek-father of 5 kids...

  56. nasty by globaljustin · · Score: 0

    you could theoretically hook these shoes up to regulate access to anything based on the ammount of movement

    the possibilities are interesting...what if your insurance company required you move a certain ammount during each day to guarantee the lowest rates

    there are other options as well...

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  57. Unconcious twitching to the rescue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Something in the water, or maybe it's too much coffee, but unless this requires full motion my feet/calves do the job on their own whether I want them to or not. I do try and control it in tight corners, but unless I'm paying attention they just tap to some unheard beat.

  58. Brunel University's previous effort... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...featured a shoe with a pedophile that would really creep you out if sufficient activity has not been achieved. It was a smashing failure. It is hoped that replacing the pedophile with a pedometer will be more palatable in a demanding marketplace and minimize the liability inherent in the previous design.

  59. MPAA won't like this by fullcircleflight · · Score: 5, Funny

    Clearly this will encourage illegal downloading of TV shows via BitTorrent; the MPAA won't like this.

    Although, I guess these shoes will sound like a good option to irresponsible parents that haven't being able to teach their kids about good dieting and fitness habits already.

  60. Worst Product Ever by unladen+swallow · · Score: 3, Insightful

    OK so the idea may be a good one (intent) there are too many flaws in the design (as others have pointed out). I have a better product idea... Have an adult around that sets rules on how much TV a child can watch and actually enforce the rules. Oh wait, I think the "adult" patent was approved 4000 years ago.

  61. Two technologies solving each other by AndroidCat · · Score: 3, Funny

    How about if I attach these shoes to the alarm clock that runs away and hides?

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  62. Why bother? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Leve the sloths alone. They are happy in a pathetic kind of way.

  63. Slashdot by charon_1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They should invent something like this for Slashdot... You have to have social interaction with x amount of people before you can waste hours reading slashdot comments.

    1. Re:Slashdot by Garabito · · Score: 1

      Or in other people case, getting actual work done before browsing /.

  64. Dnt wnt 1 by bxbaser · · Score: 1

    I wld pst reasns y bt only gt kybrd prs 4 usin shoe

  65. Hack request by k00laid · · Score: 1

    Cool, now it just needs hacked to turn on the tv when I stop walking. I wonder if I could get them to fit my robosapien? ;)

  66. Personal Responsibility by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or how about just letting people take responsibility for their own actions? I'm happy with my hedonistic and lazy lifestyle and inevitable early death - after seeing my grandmother half-paralysed and insane from a stroke in her eighties I have no intention of making it to old age.

    And before you claim that kids can't make those kind of decisions, that's how I felt when I was 13 and I haven't changed my mind in well over a decade.

  67. This means nothing to _REAL_ couch potatoes by mark-t · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Simply take the batteries out of the shoes while watching TV. Presto, bango... no signal to the TV to shut off.

    1. Re:This means nothing to _REAL_ couch potatoes by Manitcor · · Score: 1

      I would imagine this would be something of a dead-mans switch type system, a lack of signal would cause the system to turn off the TV.

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  68. In France we love ze analogees by 0x20 · · Score: 5, Funny

    You see, in France, we have a saying. Ze allowance, she is like a shoe, no? A shoe which enforce ze TV restrictions. How can you say is not so, eh?

    Please forgive me for zees post: I am but a lowly stereoteep.

    1. Re:In France we love ze analogees by chucks86 · · Score: 2, Funny

      You asked for it... In Soviet Russia, ze TV restricts shoe.

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    2. Re:In France we love ze analogees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am French you inzenzitive clodz.

  69. I wonder... by mark-t · · Score: 1

    ... if running back and forth between the TV and the fridge to get a beer during commercials would count.

  70. I already have this for my computer by opieoid · · Score: 1

    My mom makes me wear these to let the computer run, the only problem is im getting really tired after reading all these slashdot posts... can't.. jog in place . . . much . . . longe

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  71. how bout hyper people? by Internet_Communist · · Score: 2, Funny

    this would never work on people who are constantly shaking their leg or something...

    i'm a semi-hyper dude myself and once you get your leg going it's pretty easy to keep it that way for quite a long time without even realizing....i'd have it exploited in no time!

    oh yeah and if you were like me as a kid you'd know how to hook up tvs/vcrs, stereos, etc, by the time you were around 6 or 7. Unplugging the damn thing wouldn't be too hard to do....

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  72. What is there to hack? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I mean, come on.. What's preventing the kids from hitting the shoes on the floor, while watching tv, to get tv credit for the next hundred years?

    I can't think of a more stupid idea.. what's next? A toothbrush that will shock the kids sack if he doesn't brush his teeth?

  73. dying to know.... by ammie · · Score: 2, Funny

    How many of the commenters here work out regularly?

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  74. Shoe hack already available by FerretFrottage · · Score: 1

    Place shoes on stair climber.

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  75. Easy Answer by TurtleQ · · Score: 1

    Just throw your shoes in the dryer while you watch tv.

    1. Re:Easy Answer by YugtheC · · Score: 0

      Damn, and I thought the easy answer was to sit there tapping your heels. This wouldn't so much teach good exercise habits as nervous traits.

  76. How to build karma points in this thread: by switcha · · Score: 1
    Either go on a tangent about how there's nothing worth watching on TV anyway and it's all demo-targeted, focus-grouped garbage (Please only cite the networks for anecdotal examples of garbage. Just ignore that 80% of Americans have cable or dish and there's loads of good options on there, and that over-the-air usually has decent public programming),

    or,

    launch into a diatribe about how this only enables sloppy, irresponsible parenting. No, don't let the fact that you are a childless teenager stop you, this is the anonymous internet! Feel free to dispense parenting advice regardless of whether you've done it or not!

    And 'profit', I guess, as long as I have the opportunity for a third choice.

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    1. Re:How to build karma points in this thread: by unladen+swallow · · Score: 1

      Step 1: go on a tangent

      Step 2: launch into a diatribe

      Step 3: ????

      Step 4: Post how to build karma points in a thread

  77. pet stores by squarefish · · Score: 1

    will start selling a shitload of those hampster wheels

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  78. DDR Dance Revolution? by mrhale · · Score: 1

    Surely they'll just need to go down to an arcade and get one of those kids who goes nuts on the DDR Dance Revolution machine to wear them for a game?

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    When does a rectangle become a line?
  79. When will the engineers invent... by PsiPsiStar · · Score: 1

    ... self control?

    Seriously though, what I need is a stationary bike which fits under my desk. I'd love to exercise more, but don't have the chance.

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  80. That reminds me... by rdean400 · · Score: 1

    On one of those 80s shows (That's Incredible or Real People) they ran a story about a family that made an exer-bike powered TV. The pedals generated the power to keep it running.

  81. Re: Even better by Sivar · · Score: 3, Funny

    Yeah, but if you have a Pentium IV or a Geforce 6800 you'd better be one hell of an athlete already.

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  82. Re:This Shoe Helps Prevent Type II Diabetes in Kid by YugtheC · · Score: 0

    From outside the US, there are many shows that point out how bad the average American parent is and how little Americans excercise. The US leads the world in hours spent in front of the tv, proportion of obese people etc. Then we all head down that road. If the US could get fitter, not fatter, then maybe the rest of the planet (ok, read western pseudo-americanised countries) would follow suit. New Zealand is slowly getting fatter too, as our teenagers emulate the lifestyles we are drip-fed on tv. I only hope this is a phase that we will grow out of.

  83. Crap. I don't have a TV by melted · · Score: 2, Funny

    Should I sue them?

  84. But Mom... by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    I *had* to kick my little sister lots and lots of times so that I could finish watching Tom and Jerry.

  85. Yoohoo, Go Brunel ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To all of you shouting foul, this is a final year design project. These are normally developed with the aim of getting a degree, not of being commercially succesful products, although a few do still make it.
    Hey, I graduated from the school of Design in Brunel in 1997, Go Brunel :)

  86. oh come on by Zoko+Siman · · Score: 1

    think of your average geek, sitting there, tapping his foot while he reads slashdot. That could easily pass for 'activity'.

  87. leg "jigging" by Squigley · · Score: 1

    What about people who "jig" their legs while sitting down?

    Wow! look how fast I can rack up tv time, sitting here doing nothing but jigging my leg (while watching tv). My shoe thinks I'm sprinting!

  88. Next week on Slashdot by Lionfish · · Score: 1

    Build your own DIY tv, using only 2 bottles of beer, a cigarette lighter and an empty bag of chips!

  89. Re:This Shoe Helps Prevent Type II Diabetes in Kid by PeteDotNu · · Score: 1

    "Does it run Linux? I'm sure someone will find a way, and it might even improve the system!"

    Imagine a Beowulf cluster of two of these babies.

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  90. little brothers by PrincessPointer · · Score: 1

    And it also teaches the kids that control via technology is the way to go to solve problems, so they grow up good and ready for an orwelian society of tomorrow.

    Hmm...

  91. So that would be ... by K2Extreme · · Score: 2, Funny

    ... an insensitive clog ?

  92. Something for the /.ers by jigyasubalak · · Score: 0

    Would be something that registers the activity
    they get in bed and stop the computer if it's
    not much i.e. atleast once a month :)

    I am working on it...

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  93. Great! by mangu · · Score: 1
    they'll just pick up the shoes and shake them


    You mean it also works for arm exercises? I need to get those shoes! That way, my left arm will also get some exercises as I surf the web.

  94. no tv in my new apartment by lyoz · · Score: 1

    Look, who are we kidding here. This all sounds cool, ' Oh , Oh... look at my new get-ur-but-off-the-couch gadet'. This will never work.
    Television, computer games- if done to excessive and alarming levels- should be treated as addiction. You have to a) Motivate and b) provide good alternatives. Just turning a t.v. off, by using force will never work.
    Having said that, excessive and alarming levels ... hmm... 50 points for the first one who tells me what that means.
    Oh, no tv/computer/cd player in my new apartment :~). Plenty of time to do nothing. Cool !!! not really. I know i ll be getting one soon if i dont find something else to do ~)

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  95. another alternative by beforewisdom · · Score: 1

    I read an interesting story in the book FATLAND ( explores how North America became so fat ).

    A gym teacher at a poor school was very frustrated by the poor health of his students. He also noticed them playing a lot of video games.

    He got the school to turn over the use of an equipment shed to him, which he emptied out. Then he solicited donations. He got a number of old exercise bikes and used television sets from yard sales. Some people who donated their time wired it all up such that if you pedaled an exercise bike you could play a video game.

    Surprisingly it was very popular with the kids.

    It got into the papers and the gym teacher received more donations from the community.

    Even better, it worked. The gym teacher was able to measure weight loss and improved health among a number of children.

  96. Why not by beforewisdom · · Score: 1

    Another alternative is to deemphasize t.v. for the whole family. Get a smaller, simpler model and put it in a spot where it is not the center of attention.

    Then make it a family thing to do active things for recreation, even if it is only taking a long walk after dinner or playing a game of catch.

    Everybody will get healthier and the family will be strengthened by doing recreational things together.

    Chances are a fat kid has parents who are also out of balance and doing things like this will help the whole family

  97. Missing the boat by beforewisdom · · Score: 1

    I can't help but be reminded of those ankle bracelets prisoners on parole have to wear.

    I think it is horrible to treat a child like this by putting such a device on them. What does it teach the kid?

    If a child is fat it is the fault of the parents.

    If parents don't want fat children they should practice good nutrition and do active recreational activities as a family...not treat their kids like criminals or animals.

  98. Re:This Shoe Helps Prevent Type II Diabetes in Kid by Rob+Carr · · Score: 1

    Imagine a beowulf cluster of a marathon of these babies! I'm doing Cleveland's Marathon (yeah, 26.2 miles, 42.2 km) this weekend. Not only can I have desert afterward, but I'd be able to watch TV for ages!

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  99. Obligatory Red Dwarf Quote by quaker5567 · · Score: 1

    RIMMER: Feels? He never feels anything, Lister. He's a computer. LISTER: He still feels. In fact, sometimes i think it's cruel giving machines a personality. My mate Petersen once brought a pair of shoes with artificial intelligence. Smart Shoes, they were called. It was a neat idea. No matter how blind drunk you were, they would always get you home. Then he got ratted one night in Oslo, and woke up the next morning in Burma. See, the shoes got bored just going from his local to the flat. They wanted to see the world, man, y'know? He had a helluva job getting rid of them. No matter who he sold them to, they'd show up again the next day! He tried to shut them out, but they just kicked the door down, y'know? RIMMER: Is this true? LISTER: Yeah! Last thing he heard, they'd sort of, erm, robbed a car and drove it into a canal. They couldn't steer, y'see. RIMMER: Really?! LISTER: Yeah. Petersen was really, really blown away by it. He went to see a preist. The preist told him, he said, it was alright, and all that, and the shoes were happy, and they'd gone to heaven. Y'see, it turns out shoes have soles. While RIMMER is thinking about this, LISTER makes his getaway. RIMMER: Well, what a sad, sad story. He thinks about it, then a look of puzzlement spreads across his face. RIMMER: Wait a minute! How did they open the car door?

  100. Are you a parent, by any freak chance? by ianscot · · Score: 2, Insightful
    One more /.er who strikes me as being maybe 20 years old, telling me about parenthood.

    A parent can turn off the TV. (A parent can even get rid of the TV.) A parent can make sure that their children eat well. A parent can make sure that their children get an adequate amount of exercise.

    And a parent can choose to use certain tools to get to the right balance point for all of that, all without finding it necessary to stake out an absolute position on the relative morality (or even efficacy) of the technology.

    If these things aren't already happening, a stupid pair of shoes won't help.

    Your positions would apply to basically any technology, not just these flaky shoes. (I can see the shoes for certain cases, personally. Pediatric onset diabetes? Seems about like a bed wetting alarm for certain kids, to me. Doesn't work and isn't necessary for everyone, so everyone doesn't have one.)

    Personally I was once tempted by a "TV Allowance" box that let you put in a certain amount of time for each kid per week. And yeah, they could go to a friend's house, or steal each other's codes, or whatever -- the point isn't to find the absolutely ideal solution, the point is to set up enough of a reminder/nuisance to help shape the behavior, hopefully at a reasonable cost for the practical benefit. And no, the enormous and ever-so-crucial philosophical distinction between "Dad told me that's enough 'Sabrina'" and "The time limit Dad set is up" doesn't matter as much to me as it seems to matter to you.

    Personally I think the cruxes are positive reinforcement (rather than chiding) and modeling the right behavior (rather than prating about something you won't do yourself). Parents who show their kids that they evercise themselves have a heck of a lot better chance to convince the kids. But why a dorky technology like this couldn't help that, I don't know. I was planning on giving myself the same allowance the kids had, on the box thing.

    These shoes do seem like a niche product -- but I can see them being usable in those senses. I'd be more impressed by some sort of family pedometer tracking system, personally, but to each her own.

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    1. Re:Are you a parent, by any freak chance? by TheOriginalRevdoc · · Score: 1

      One more /.er who strikes me as being maybe 20 years old, telling me about parenthood.

      You couldn't be more wrong.

  101. Re: Even better by GTRacer · · Score: 1
    ...for proper grounding, right?

    Right?

    GTRacer
    - ewww

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  102. Re:This Shoe Helps Prevent Type II Diabetes in Kid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    A parent can turn off the TV. (A parent can even get rid of the TV.) A parent can make sure that their children eat well. A parent can make sure that their children get an adequate amount of exercise.
    All of these things you mention are strategies for achieving a certain outcome. What is the shoe? It's simply another strategy for achieving the same outcome. I don't see what the problem is.

    I impose a flexible TV limit on my kids (3 and 6 years old). They get a certain amount of time per day. Sometimes, I'll let them watch an extra show to reward good behavior, or I'll punish them for misbehaving by taking TV privileges away. This is not much different from what the shoe does -- it rewards good behavior (exercise) and punishes bad behavior (idleness). Why is it good when I do it, but bad when the shoe does it? The shoe does a better job -- I can't be in the TV room all day long, since I have to cook meals, wash dishes, hang up laundry, and dozens of other things that prevent parents from monitoring their kids every second (a fact which childless people seem unable to grasp).

    I don't understand this Luddite mentality. You seem to think that parents aren't doing a good job unless they go about things in the most inefficient way possible. The shoe does something very similar to what I already do as a parent (encourage exercise, discourage TV), only better. It's no different from any number of parent-assisting technologies that you grew up with and most likely take for granted as "normal" now. Like the telephone. Or the automobile. Or the baby monitor. Or the microwave. Or product safety standards. Or baby bottle sterilizers. Or nutrition information labels. Or vaccinations. Or chewable vitamins.

    You could point to any of those things and say, "Well, parents wouldn't need X if they would just do Y instead..." And people would laugh in your face.

  103. Workarounds: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1) remove shoe, attach shiny objects to shoe, tie string to doorknob, rub catnip on shoe - let the cat go at it... After about 1hr of batting the shoe back and forth, you have enough "miles" for an evening's viewing of Dr. Who

    2) record IR output from shoe when it turns TV on, by using cheapo [Wal-Mart|Worst Buy|Brainless City] universal remote... Turn TV on whenever you want

    3) Remove back from TV - trace circuits, bypass the lockout so the front switch works again... If there's no front switch, visit surplus store, get one of those "LAUNCH" switches w/the activation cover and install it on the front...

    4) Hack the ASIC that runs the lockout so any remote turns it on... ...all this in just five minutes... Give me an hour and this thing will be totally worthless. Better yet:

    A) Work out workaround
    B) Write it up and package into a $12.00 how-to
    C) Blast it out to teens and pre-teens that like to watch TV
    D) PROFIT!

  104. Pedometer by sokoban · · Score: 1

    And exactly how many parents won't buy this because they don't want to leave their young kids alone at home with a pedometer? I mean really, that's just sick.

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  105. Re: Even better by d34thm0nk3y · · Score: 3, Funny

    Yeah, but if you have a Pentium IV or a Geforce 6800 you'd better be one hell of an athlete already.

    At this point you might be better off running the computer from wall power and using the bike to run the 16 cooling fans.

  106. "Enforce Parenting"? by WebCowboy · · Score: 1

    I think I'm missing your point, or perhaps you're missing the point of the device.

    I've seen a couple of posts about with the term "enforce parenting" suggesting that it is a bad thing, and I'm not clear what is meant there. I don't think this invention is the proper way to encourage kids to be active because it associates physical activity with "work" required to earn TV privleges. I'd say it's better to use TV as a reward for ACTUAL work like homework or chores...but is that "enforcing parenting" too? And what is wrong with that?

    So many kids these days are rude little brats and it seems they need a good bit of parental enforcement if you ask me, so if discipline/enforcement of rules/involvement in childs life is what you mean when you say "enforce parenting" then I'm all for it.

    The TV/video game/computer is a good reward for good behaviour and finishing work (just like allowances, toys, etc are). To have a lasting effect however I think physical activity has to be FUN--kids will still grow up to be fat couch potatoes if they are raised to associate such activity with "work". So not only do I agree that for me personally I wouldn't ever buy these "TV shoes"...and the exercise bike is an even dumber idea...just go and get REAL bikes for the whole family and go outside for a ride together.

  107. Re: Even better by sylvandb · · Score: 1

    At this point you might be better off running the computer from wall power and using the bike to run the 16 cooling fans.

    Ahh, yes. That way if you quit peddling the computer keeps running, but it is likely to fry itself. That's quite the incentive!

    sdb

  108. I got a trial pair by Bloater · · Score: 1

    I got a trial pair - I put them in a tumble drier on cold. The TV has started giving me free porn as a reward for running so many marathons.

  109. Belive me, this course is A1 by memoriesofgreen · · Score: 0

    I obtained my degree from this course back in the day.

    I can honestly say that for a creative Geek, this course is beyond comparison. This years degree show http://www.sharperdesign.co.uk/about.html may give you an indication of the work produced.

    We were expected to learn everything from life drawing to fabrication skills (wood, metal, casting, plastic etc) through to PIC programming (machine code - not your new fangled C stuff).

    It always makes my laugh (having graduated this course) at some of the hardware hacks projects seen on the web sites like /. and hackaday. Us Brunel Design grads could produce all of it (fully working prototypes required), and make it look pretty.

    The idea is that the course is based on Bauhaus principal. If you design with materials then you need to know how to work with them. Instead of digging our own clay we'd fabricate our own boards.

    Some of my favourites projects include;

    A pulse jet powered scooter,
    Cocktail making machine,
    Sound to Firework control system,
    Regenerative bike break,
    and the infamous machine that makes hats out of ballons.

    HIHOPS: Alright PT , still getting your name on the BBC then?

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  110. Walking? I don't need no steenkig walking! by Cervantes · · Score: 1

    I'll just sit there and bounce my foot up and down on the ground!

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  111. What If a Robot Wore the Tennis Shoes? by Craig+Milo+Rogers · · Score: 1

    Not too long ago I read an article about bipedal robots that walk like humans. See, we put the shoes on the robot, and so long as the robot keeps walking, we get to watch the TV...

    http:www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/02/0502231 35949.htm

    Of course, this reminds me of the robot in David Brin's novel, "The Practice Effect".

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  112. Re:Yeah, right. RUN FORREST! by newpath4comVersion2 · · Score: 1

    RUN FOREST! RUN FORREST GUMP! hahahahaha I got a question. What th heck will people in hospital beds do? Say. I bet I've found a student who would LOVE my website! http://www.newpath4.com/ . Seriously, if it's SHOES YOU WANT, why not buy some from these folks: http://www.c4life.com/ . Their shoes have SPRINGS that can help you spring from your couch and trick yer neighbors into thinking yur in great shape.