"Does that mean that Google itself is hosting illegal files?"
Yep, and so do you in your cache. Whats really fun is a 17 year old with a webcam that doesnt like you and knows you have {autoaccept | web based upload stuff | ftp | whatever}.
Kiddieporn laws badly need reformed. Why is legal to jerk it to movies of 18 year olds that are late bloomers+made up to look even younger, being simulated-kidnap and raped.. Yet its illegal for your beach vacation pictures to have a 16 year old topless in the background?
It makes about as much sense as chewbakka living on endor.
Or have a human reader have to click the 'read' button on the machine. Doubt he'll be willing to hit it at a rate of 1000/sec or more, which would be needed to guess one in under a month or so.
Thats what I wanted, and sorta had based on JWZ's cheesegrater. Problem is no reliable timestamps means you just get bulks added at the same time if a site adds 3 stories and you poll too infrequently, since its all based on poll time. The other problem is some people post full storys in summaries, some post a sentence or two, some post nothing. Looks bad when you aggregate them.
"but what you see on a gaming server is not directly copyrighted by valve. Their stuff in the engine is, but they can't say what you add on to it."
They can specify how you use it, in the same way we specify how people use our code (GPL), or how musicians use your samples.
If you record a demo of a counterstrike match, I don't think its copyrighted to valve, but its pretty useless without using valves content. Sure you could parse it in another engine (Would take Spike a few weeks and I bet he could get them playing in ftequake perfectly), duplicate a map with similar geometry, use new textures and models.. but its impractical. If you meant recording an avi/mpeg movie of an ingame match (as a lot of people do), that is Valves content, they just allow you to use it. You couldn't for example record a movie inside de_dust with their models/sounds/etc, then sell it to Paramount and get it in theaters.
You might own the copyright to your work, but if its a dirivitive(sp?) work of something you don't own, you dont magicly gain more rights. Otherwise I could just sell copies of windows on cd-rs I created and say its mine.
It would be more like if TiVo started inserting their own ads while you watched tv. And I'm pretty sure the tv companies wouldn't be happy about that either.
You're playing in a game they own, on a map they owned, defaced by ads. It's not something valve should just ignore.
Web portals are nice if done well, but I've yet to find one done well. I'd like a mainpage of just aggregated rss feeds, with full summarys (not just useless headlines), mix in all the new webcomics that come out, a panel with weather, panel with a calander, panel with whatever other kind of crap people do..and bam, you save at least 30 page loads of checking different stuff you normally dont even bother with but would be interested in if it were easier.
So now when your headphones snap, you've got a pair of jeans that are pointless. Or if your jeans rip, you've got an unusable dock. It wouldn't matter if these wern't going to cost so much, but who wants to waste this much for some bad convergance?
Look up game genie codes for old systems and you'll notice theyre listed by different revisions of the game. Those are bugfixes, the only difference is with an xbox you can download a patch instead of living with a bug. Patches are not a BadThing(tm). Compare diablo2:LoD as it first came out to 1.10-- Entirely better game. Or HalfLife without any patches..We'd not have any of the most popular games of today.
QA was killed by our willingness to trade price for stability, not by patches. Stop demanding everything for as cheap as you can get it and quality/thought might return to products.
I think taking a page from fark's playbook would help people understand the issue better. Take an average day(or week/month) of story submissions, make them all public.Just a one time thing, not concurrent- Either an arbitrary date in the future, or in the past, so long as nobody knows whats going on and cant flood it with the intent of it getting seen. This way people can see just how little options you have when dealing with this stuff.
I think the problem of offtopic discussion involving the reader will go down a lot now that you've actually addressed the issue publicly, Most offtopic about-slashdot discussion is just because we have no relevant place to put it. Maybe a bi-weekly "about slashdot" story people could post to about this stuff and see whats new with slashdot.
Theres still plenty of communists, its just not a good boogeyman because with our current state of culture/society, communism not only isn't scary but isn't a bad idea to the 20 crowd whos only knowledge of our govt involves clinton and bush. Capitalism didn't work, if you gave the majority an accurate description of both capitalism and communism, you'd be surprised what the response is.
Theyre okay while you use them, just wait until its time to move and you'll see what the hate comes from. I also didnt like their web panel stuff, but I'd rather be hacking config files, so ymmv there.
1and1 (I'm not going to link them as it would help their pagerank) is HORRIBLE. They offer a free webhosting trial (easy signup, just need to give a phone number so they can call you to verify), but then when the trials over, they force you to go out of your way to cancel or they start billing. Of course canceling involves printing out a form, filling it all in & signing it, then faxing it to their offices (on a fax number that most of the time is busy or out of service). Then a few months later they'll try and send a collection agency after you. Avoid them at all costs. They also go as '1und1' in germany, and oneandone in the uk I believe.
Meh, Not going to bother to install their browser component just to see what game they ripped off, but I strongly doubt anything popcap offers is original. Fun maybe, good implentations, I'll accept, but not originals. They have a bunch of old puzzle games that have been around since the win3.11 shareware days, just because they port them to a web browser plugin and give them a pretty name doesnt mean people copy them when they do the same.
For the most part yes, but all it takes is a cross site scripting vuln to steal anything out of a cookie. Or an iframe on the site (like doubleclick ads) storing cookies so that they can see which of their sites you visit and when, correlating all of this data to you.
PDAs are dying because cellphones are trying to replace them. They shouldn't be. What would be nice is having your cellphone in your pocket, whipping out your PDA/tablet (with reasonable screen and a nicer interface) and having it get online via bluetooth to cellphone's GSM network. But you'd also need cell data plans that don't suck, so I doubt this will happen any time soon. Its really silly when all our devices are trying to become eachother instead of work with eachother. Why have a cellphone that can play mp3s when you could have a cellphone that can play audio/store data on your mp3 player?
Not exactly. Even if you have broadband theres no garuntee everyone you play against will have a good connection to the server also. One lagger = not-lanlike experience. On lan its so much more fun, especially for competitive games (eg, CS with a team). The real failure in the analogy is the price though. A good lan center costs maybe $5-10/hr at the most. At an arcade, a lot of the games are now $0.75-$2.50 per, and they last maybe 5 minutes at the most, in comparison to a home game which costs maybe $40 but can be played 24/7 whenever you want as long as you want.
The social side of both is nice, but the price of an arcade just isnt worth it, whereas a lan center is for some people.
As an aside, I went to an arcade for the first time in a long time today, and saw a muslim woman play tux racer. I don't have much to say about that, but as far as things I expected to see today, that was not one of them.
Or if they would just hit the coral cache once then post the original link, the cache should be up for when the site dies. Could be a silent policy change if they are still afraid of the legality of it, this way all that would happen is they would be assuring the coral cache has a copy, not specificly refering people to it or endorsing it.
As others have said.. From within windows, USB stick, cdrw, or my personal favorite: keep a small win9x partition to flash from and run old dos apps on, and test the occasional software.
I think the problem lies in RSS as an implentation rather than an idea. Syndication would be great if it truely was syndication and everything was treated equal, but once you have to deal with some people only posting headlines, some headlines + short summaries, some full stories, the lack of reliable timestamps on info, lack of consistent format (plain text? cdatad html? xhtml? etc), it just stops being worth it.
I'd check a lot more sites if they all could be merged into one locally aggrigated portal site, but due to the way RSS works its just not really doable now. The other thing that really needs to be aggregated is site based notifications. Email notification works somewhat if you filter them all to the same place so they dont clutter, but it would be nice to either push or pull them all to one spot to check your messages on slashdot, Talk: on your wiki user page, forum replies/msgs, myspace/xanga/lj/whatever notices, and every other little thing you dont want to go out of your way to check but would like to be informed of.
"As someone pointed out some of these "flaws" are not OS flaws but issues with application software,"
There is no 'third party software' because there is no first party. It's all community, and if the OS ships with it, its the OSs responsibility. What is 'part of the OS'? Linux kernel flaws? I'm sure everyone that gets owned by a firefox buffer overflow is going to be greatly relieved that the attack vector wasn't part of the OS so didn't really count. How many windows flaws are kernel related vs software that came on the cd? how much 'third party software' comes on a debian dvd? Why is it any different if microsoft wrote both or if the community wrote both? Especially with a distro that patches their packages seperately (debian, openbsd, etc)
A friend of mine had a problem with a dll being corrupt, wanted me to send her my copy. No problem I thought, her strict firewall rules mean I cant just dcc it, but emailing it should be easy. Except gmail decieded we're both too idiotic to be trusted with file transfer, so it rejected the dll attachment until I stuck it in a zip. Thanks, GOOG.
How many games ship every month that don't get covered? The fact that this game was late and barely made it is somewhat newsworthy, but is also what they were trying to do (Google-marketing, dont say anything, plant some rumors, deny rumors, impress everyone by pulling through).
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"Does that mean that Google itself is hosting illegal files?"
Yep, and so do you in your cache. Whats really fun is a 17 year old with a webcam that doesnt like you and knows you have {autoaccept | web based upload stuff | ftp | whatever}.
Kiddieporn laws badly need reformed. Why is legal to jerk it to movies of 18 year olds that are late bloomers+made up to look even younger, being simulated-kidnap and raped.. Yet its illegal for your beach vacation pictures to have a 16 year old topless in the background?
It makes about as much sense as chewbakka living on endor.
Or have a human reader have to click the 'read' button on the machine. Doubt he'll be willing to hit it at a rate of 1000/sec or more, which would be needed to guess one in under a month or so.
Thats what I wanted, and sorta had based on JWZ's cheesegrater. Problem is no reliable timestamps means you just get bulks added at the same time if a site adds 3 stories and you poll too infrequently, since its all based on poll time.
The other problem is some people post full storys in summaries, some post a sentence or two, some post nothing. Looks bad when you aggregate them.
"but what you see on a gaming server is not directly copyrighted by valve. Their stuff in the engine is, but they can't say what you add on to it."
They can specify how you use it, in the same way we specify how people use our code (GPL), or how musicians use your samples.
If you record a demo of a counterstrike match, I don't think its copyrighted to valve, but its pretty useless without using valves content. Sure you could parse it in another engine (Would take Spike a few weeks and I bet he could get them playing in ftequake perfectly), duplicate a map with similar geometry, use new textures and models.. but its impractical. If you meant recording an avi/mpeg movie of an ingame match (as a lot of people do), that is Valves content, they just allow you to use it. You couldn't for example record a movie inside de_dust with their models/sounds/etc, then sell it to Paramount and get it in theaters.
You might own the copyright to your work, but if its a dirivitive(sp?) work of something you don't own, you dont magicly gain more rights. Otherwise I could just sell copies of windows on cd-rs I created and say its mine.
It would be more like if TiVo started inserting their own ads while you watched tv. And I'm pretty sure the tv companies wouldn't be happy about that either.
You're playing in a game they own, on a map they owned, defaced by ads. It's not something valve should just ignore.
Web portals are nice if done well, but I've yet to find one done well. I'd like a mainpage of just aggregated rss feeds, with full summarys (not just useless headlines), mix in all the new webcomics that come out, a panel with weather, panel with a calander, panel with whatever other kind of crap people do..and bam, you save at least 30 page loads of checking different stuff you normally dont even bother with but would be interested in if it were easier.
So now when your headphones snap, you've got a pair of jeans that are pointless. Or if your jeans rip, you've got an unusable dock. It wouldn't matter if these wern't going to cost so much, but who wants to waste this much for some bad convergance?
Look up game genie codes for old systems and you'll notice theyre listed by different revisions of the game. Those are bugfixes, the only difference is with an xbox you can download a patch instead of living with a bug. Patches are not a BadThing(tm). Compare diablo2:LoD as it first came out to 1.10-- Entirely better game. Or HalfLife without any patches..We'd not have any of the most popular games of today.
QA was killed by our willingness to trade price for stability, not by patches. Stop demanding everything for as cheap as you can get it and quality/thought might return to products.
I think taking a page from fark's playbook would help people understand the issue better. Take an average day(or week/month) of story submissions, make them all public.Just a one time thing, not concurrent- Either an arbitrary date in the future, or in the past, so long as nobody knows whats going on and cant flood it with the intent of it getting seen. This way people can see just how little options you have when dealing with this stuff.
I think the problem of offtopic discussion involving the reader will go down a lot now that you've actually addressed the issue publicly, Most offtopic about-slashdot discussion is just because we have no relevant place to put it. Maybe a bi-weekly "about slashdot" story people could post to about this stuff and see whats new with slashdot.
Theres still plenty of communists, its just not a good boogeyman because with our current state of culture/society, communism not only isn't scary but isn't a bad idea to the 20 crowd whos only knowledge of our govt involves clinton and bush. Capitalism didn't work, if you gave the majority an accurate description of both capitalism and communism, you'd be surprised what the response is.
Theyre okay while you use them, just wait until its time to move and you'll see what the hate comes from. I also didnt like their web panel stuff, but I'd rather be hacking config files, so ymmv there.
1and1 (I'm not going to link them as it would help their pagerank) is HORRIBLE. They offer a free webhosting trial (easy signup, just need to give a phone number so they can call you to verify), but then when the trials over, they force you to go out of your way to cancel or they start billing. Of course canceling involves printing out a form, filling it all in & signing it, then faxing it to their offices (on a fax number that most of the time is busy or out of service). Then a few months later they'll try and send a collection agency after you.
Avoid them at all costs. They also go as '1und1' in germany, and oneandone in the uk I believe.
Meh, Not going to bother to install their browser component just to see what game they ripped off, but I strongly doubt anything popcap offers is original. Fun maybe, good implentations, I'll accept, but not originals. They have a bunch of old puzzle games that have been around since the win3.11 shareware days, just because they port them to a web browser plugin and give them a pretty name doesnt mean people copy them when they do the same.
'Magical device interconnectivity fee: $10(per device connection)' ought to do it
For the most part yes, but all it takes is a cross site scripting vuln to steal anything out of a cookie. Or an iframe on the site (like doubleclick ads) storing cookies so that they can see which of their sites you visit and when, correlating all of this data to you.
PDAs are dying because cellphones are trying to replace them. They shouldn't be. What would be nice is having your cellphone in your pocket, whipping out your PDA/tablet (with reasonable screen and a nicer interface) and having it get online via bluetooth to cellphone's GSM network. But you'd also need cell data plans that don't suck, so I doubt this will happen any time soon. Its really silly when all our devices are trying to become eachother instead of work with eachother. Why have a cellphone that can play mp3s when you could have a cellphone that can play audio/store data on your mp3 player?
Not exactly. Even if you have broadband theres no garuntee everyone you play against will have a good connection to the server also. One lagger = not-lanlike experience. On lan its so much more fun, especially for competitive games (eg, CS with a team).
The real failure in the analogy is the price though. A good lan center costs maybe $5-10/hr at the most. At an arcade, a lot of the games are now $0.75-$2.50 per, and they last maybe 5 minutes at the most, in comparison to a home game which costs maybe $40 but can be played 24/7 whenever you want as long as you want.
The social side of both is nice, but the price of an arcade just isnt worth it, whereas a lan center is for some people.
As an aside, I went to an arcade for the first time in a long time today, and saw a muslim woman play tux racer. I don't have much to say about that, but as far as things I expected to see today, that was not one of them.
Or if they would just hit the coral cache once then post the original link, the cache should be up for when the site dies. Could be a silent policy change if they are still afraid of the legality of it, this way all that would happen is they would be assuring the coral cache has a copy, not specificly refering people to it or endorsing it.
As others have said.. From within windows, USB stick, cdrw, or my personal favorite: keep a small win9x partition to flash from and run old dos apps on, and test the occasional software.
I think the problem lies in RSS as an implentation rather than an idea. Syndication would be great if it truely was syndication and everything was treated equal, but once you have to deal with some people only posting headlines, some headlines + short summaries, some full stories, the lack of reliable timestamps on info, lack of consistent format (plain text? cdatad html? xhtml? etc), it just stops being worth it.
I'd check a lot more sites if they all could be merged into one locally aggrigated portal site, but due to the way RSS works its just not really doable now. The other thing that really needs to be aggregated is site based notifications. Email notification works somewhat if you filter them all to the same place so they dont clutter, but it would be nice to either push or pull them all to one spot to check your messages on slashdot, Talk: on your wiki user page, forum replies/msgs, myspace/xanga/lj/whatever notices, and every other little thing you dont want to go out of your way to check but would like to be informed of.
"As someone pointed out some of these "flaws" are not OS flaws but issues with application software,"
There is no 'third party software' because there is no first party. It's all community, and if the OS ships with it, its the OSs responsibility. What is 'part of the OS'? Linux kernel flaws? I'm sure everyone that gets owned by a firefox buffer overflow is going to be greatly relieved that the attack vector wasn't part of the OS so didn't really count. How many windows flaws are kernel related vs software that came on the cd? how much 'third party software' comes on a debian dvd? Why is it any different if microsoft wrote both or if the community wrote both? Especially with a distro that patches their packages seperately (debian, openbsd, etc)
A friend of mine had a problem with a dll being corrupt, wanted me to send her my copy. No problem I thought, her strict firewall rules mean I cant just dcc it, but emailing it should be easy. Except gmail decieded we're both too idiotic to be trusted with file transfer, so it rejected the dll attachment until I stuck it in a zip. Thanks, GOOG.
How many games ship every month that don't get covered? The fact that this game was late and barely made it is somewhat newsworthy, but is also what they were trying to do (Google-marketing, dont say anything, plant some rumors, deny rumors, impress everyone by pulling through).
Or just include some decent wheels and a rope, if it fails and is vital just drag it.
Unless you can find someone willing to swap their wife out for a full set of Magic the gathering cards.