Which is why its optional (One of the few things Valve still lets admins control, bleh.)
Most people I've personaly seen complain about unlag don't understand it and are just trying to make an excuse for why my friend(who used to be on dialup) could ace their entire team. (obviously not refering to you, just most people I remember). Personaly I dont mind the occasionaly unlag kill so much as i hate when people have high choke and look like theyre flickering around, you just have to spray and pray while they can stop and aim.
The obvious solution to all of this is to lan, but overall I'd say halflife offers the best experience to dialup users.
HalfLife has a nice feature to deal with lag called 'unlag'. The server has a setting (sv_maxunlag) for how long it should remember positions, default of 250ms.
When you fire a shot, the server checks your ping and looks up where everything was when you fired, so if you shot someones head right before they ran behind a corner and you have 250ms ping, they'd make it behind the corner behind unlag kicks in and they die.
Not prefered by everyone. P2P relies on peers, which in this case means the general population. People on average have low standards, thus P2P is great for everyone else with low standards. For anyone that actually cares about quality, FTPs used to transfer group releases are still the prefered method.
Works much better than P2Ps also. P2P: search currently connected clients for filenames matching certain text, download from them at X K/s (where X is uually between 5-20). FTP: make a directory in/requests/, let corriers race to upload the release, download at your leasiure at however fast your connection is capped at.
not that I'd know anything about this subject../offtopic rant against p2p
It may not be in Q3/Urban Terror, but in other games it really can get you faster than projectiles. Check out the movie Open_Your_Mind.avi (no link to prvent slashdotting, if you're that interested you can find it or contact me). He literaly does make it past his rocket.
Its basicly a history of Team Fortress Classic movement tricks, from the original with TF-like physics to the current 'fixed' physics. It really shows how determined us gamers can be.
For other great jumping, sunmanfinal.avi has some great jumps in CounterStrike (And some great frags to), And 'qdivx.avi' (Quake Done Quick) shows an entire quake1 run on nightmare in 13 minutes.
By your logic, Rocket/Grenade jumping(What really seperates quake to this day) is cheating also.
In MTF, the hwguys 20mm cannon made BHing easier, but netquake pyro flamethrower made stopping them that much less of a hastle. Just set the spiral on fire and theres no chance they'll make it up, drop a few napalms and they'll be dead in seconds.
ASDW (or WASD as most know it, not that it matters) + mouse works fine in quake1. You have to use the +mlook command to enable mouse look, but after that it works just like any other game. For deathmatch, nothing has topped quake1 on raw intensity yet. Same with Team Fortress implentations IMNSHO. (HalfLife's was a bastardization to all things TF, q3f just dosnt feel right but isnt bad)
Linux is about being the best tool for multiple jobs, so if someoen else with a usable license does something that the linux userbase would enjoy, it gets thrown into linux.
Free and Open BSD(not sure about Net, as I don't follow it) on the other hand are about doing things the traditional(read: archaic) BSD way. When faced with the choices of A) do something current to help usability or B) do things the way we've been doing them since 1980, the [FO]BSD maintainers always choose B.
As a result of that enforced old/hard to use standard, [FO]BSD's main userbase are the skillless kiddies that just use BSD because of the implied elitism -- They think that if it's hard to use and they can use it, They must be better. Unfortunately explaining to them that all it means is they choose the path of wasted time is near impossible.
For the record: I've admined an OpenBSD free shell provider (brained, for anyone keeping track), a FreeBSD based hosting provider, and now multiple servers for a different hosting provider, all running Debian Linux. At home I've ran OpenBSD 2.9, FreeBSD 4.2, Slackware, Gentoo, Debian, And a variety of others.
"And, as a fallback plan, they make products people want."
No, They don't. They buy them and resell them, abusing their large amounts of money to do whatever they please. Microsoft Internet Explorer? Try spyglass (Part of MOSAIC). MS-DOS? Seattle computer many many more examples here (including hotmail, webtv, many others.)
Yeah, It's like asking someone who likes something if they like something. Would you rather have an oppinion from someone who has no oppinion? You'd get bored after the sixth 'eh, I don't care either way'. Or are you the type that only likes negative oppinions because they make your friends think you're cool for not liking the norm?
As far as I know, That syntax is bash-specific. The concept of a forkbomb howver is a universal thing -- Just need to find the syntax in a langauge to fork another segmant of code, and have that segmant of code fork itself.
As for not having the limitations, No worries. About the only places I've seen ever limit properly are payed shell providers, as it tends to be annoying on a home machine (things like gcc dont like it, and dont even think about running quake).
It's sad that I'm such a nerd I had no problem reading that.. It's a simplified forkbomb. in english: it runs itself, which runs iself, which runs itself... untily our machine cries out in agony and you reboot it. Unless of course your machine has proper restrictions on it (see: man ulimit; ulimit -a)
I learned in a similer way. I started off as just yet another AOL kiddie, playing with 'progz' and such. Eventually got bored enough to try something new, and found a copy of Visual Basic 3 (16bit, think win3.11). I then found a vb3 decompiler, and decompiled any vb made program I could find, just to play with the source and change things until it broke, eventually learing the basic syntax, but still didnt know how to do most things. Then one day when I was about 11 I sat there for about 4 hours just reading the entire help file, and just 'got it'. Reading the entire help file was the best thing I could of done, and immediately told all of my (also stupid AOLer) friends that if they wanted programming help from me, they had to do the same first. Only one did, and he thanked me for it later.
I later moved on to current (4, then 5, then eventually 6 though I never really played with any of the new concepts) versions of VB, but also started toying with a copy of QBASIC I found. I never really got it to do anything great, but it was a fun exercize in programming and was a cool 'toy' languge to just play with.
(For the record, I moved on to bash scripts, then made the leap to perl. I tried to learn C but got too busy with other things, I understand the conceps and syntax, but never got around to learning the functions.
"I would be a more efficient person if I always used "u" instead of "you""
Not really. Although you would type faster, you would make it much harder to parse (both from a program perspective and a human perspective). There are many times when it is truely incomprehensible. However, I've grown to just silenty dislike it rather than actually say something, so long as the person is nice enough (eg, if someone is talking trash in a game of counterstrike, I'm not above saying "atleast I can spell 'you'"). What really made me change was really getting to know some great people who happened to use 'u', causing me to realise that not everyone that uses 'u' is an immature uninteligent being (Though most are, from what I've seen.).
DO NOT USE THIS PROGRAM. I originaly wrote this, and still own it. sql*kitten has no legal right to release it under the GPL, so nobody has any license to this program. Please delete any copy you may have.
"I think maybe people plant these kinds of things just to see if terrorist really will try to use them. "
Because as we all know, 9/11 didn't happen. Whats that? They can crash planes into buildings without simulators? wow.
Better recall Quake2/3, because as soon as ossama rigs up a railgun, he's going to make all the taliban stay up for some good old fashioned deathmatching.
Thats what the TOC protocol is for, of course it lacks all features people expect, so it's about worthless. Also, IIRC the conditions were if aol adds 'advanced features' (webcam, desktop sharing, etc) they have to open their networks, which is why msn and yahoo are basicly clones of eachother, whereas aim is lagging behind on features.
You can sign on aim with an icq account, and join aim chats. No instant messages between people though. Atleast, you used to be able to, I have no clue if this still works.
-replying to self because I left something out.- I do agree that this kind of info should be made public, I'm just making a point that security through obscurity isn't universaly useless
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It's already in there. ctrl+f's search just selects the text, but if you use type ahead find (/text) its a bright green background.
Which is why its optional (One of the few things Valve still lets admins control, bleh.)
Most people I've personaly seen complain about unlag don't understand it and are just trying to make an excuse for why my friend(who used to be on dialup) could ace their entire team. (obviously not refering to you, just most people I remember). Personaly I dont mind the occasionaly unlag kill so much as i hate when people have high choke and look like theyre flickering around, you just have to spray and pray while they can stop and aim.
The obvious solution to all of this is to lan, but overall I'd say halflife offers the best experience to dialup users.
HalfLife has a nice feature to deal with lag called 'unlag'. The server has a setting (sv_maxunlag) for how long it should remember positions, default of 250ms.
When you fire a shot, the server checks your ping and looks up where everything was when you fired, so if you shot someones head right before they ran behind a corner and you have 250ms ping, they'd make it behind the corner behind unlag kicks in and they die.
Not prefered by everyone. P2P relies on peers, which in this case means the general population. People on average have low standards, thus P2P is great for everyone else with low standards. For anyone that actually cares about quality, FTPs used to transfer group releases are still the prefered method.
/requests/, let corriers race to upload the release, download at your leasiure at however fast your connection is capped at.
/offtopic rant against p2p
Works much better than P2Ps also.
P2P: search currently connected clients for filenames matching certain text, download from them at X K/s (where X is uually between 5-20).
FTP: make a directory in
not that I'd know anything about this subject..
Tried mailing from my webserver, I guess its mail is dead to... I'll have a friend mail the link (I'd link it here, but bandwidth usage would hurt)
Heh, just as well. Forgot our mailserver is being relocated now.
The old mirror for that movie is down, so I'm uploading it to my server now. I'll mail you a link from a temp machine
It may not be in Q3/Urban Terror, but in other games it really can get you faster than projectiles. Check out the movie Open_Your_Mind.avi (no link to prvent slashdotting, if you're that interested you can find it or contact me). He literaly does make it past his rocket.
Its basicly a history of Team Fortress Classic movement tricks, from the original with TF-like physics to the current 'fixed' physics.
It really shows how determined us gamers can be.
For other great jumping, sunmanfinal.avi has some great jumps in CounterStrike (And some great frags to), And 'qdivx.avi' (Quake Done Quick) shows an entire quake1 run on nightmare in 13 minutes.
By your logic, Rocket/Grenade jumping(What really seperates quake to this day) is cheating also.
In MTF, the hwguys 20mm cannon made BHing easier, but netquake pyro flamethrower made stopping them that much less of a hastle. Just set the spiral on fire and theres no chance they'll make it up, drop a few napalms and they'll be dead in seconds.
"imagining that their PC has been hit by a virus, trojan horse or other undesirable event,"
A tainted kernel is. undesirable. And it very well may be trojaned, You can't check.
I'm not saying these big name companies would backdoor their own drivers, but someone could easily[*] hack their server and modify them
[*]Easy as in this has happened with IRCII, BitchX, OpenSSH, and who knows how many others.
ASDW (or WASD as most know it, not that it matters) + mouse works fine in quake1.
You have to use the +mlook command to enable mouse look, but after that it works just like any other game. For deathmatch, nothing has topped quake1 on raw intensity yet. Same with Team Fortress implentations IMNSHO. (HalfLife's was a bastardization to all things TF, q3f just dosnt feel right but isnt bad)
Linux is about being the best tool for multiple jobs, so if someoen else with a usable license does something that the linux userbase would enjoy, it gets thrown into linux.
Free and Open BSD(not sure about Net, as I don't follow it) on the other hand are about doing things the traditional(read: archaic) BSD way. When faced with the choices of A) do something current to help usability or B) do things the way we've been doing them since 1980, the [FO]BSD maintainers always choose B.
As a result of that enforced old/hard to use standard, [FO]BSD's main userbase are the skillless kiddies that just use BSD because of the implied elitism -- They think that if it's hard to use and they can use it, They must be better. Unfortunately explaining to them that all it means is they choose the path of wasted time is near impossible.
For the record: I've admined an OpenBSD free shell provider (brained, for anyone keeping track), a FreeBSD based hosting provider, and now multiple servers for a different hosting provider, all running Debian Linux. At home I've ran OpenBSD 2.9, FreeBSD 4.2, Slackware, Gentoo, Debian, And a variety of others.
"And, as a fallback plan, they make products people want."
No, They don't. They buy them and resell them, abusing their large amounts of money to do whatever they please.
Microsoft Internet Explorer? Try spyglass (Part of MOSAIC).
MS-DOS? Seattle computer
many many more examples here (including hotmail, webtv, many others.)
Even their best selling game, Halo, was originaly advertised as a macintosh exclusive. I wonder what changed their mind..
" I cannot find even one reference of Bill Gates having been charged with a crime, much less convicted of one."
Google says you're wrong.
Thats all fun and good until MS decieds zdnet needs to remove the story. never hurts to have a local copy here just incase.
"with that kind of hardware the sky's the limit."
With that kind of hardware, the battery is the limit.
Yeah, It's like asking someone who likes something if they like something. Would you rather have an oppinion from someone who has no oppinion? You'd get bored after the sixth 'eh, I don't care either way'. Or are you the type that only likes negative oppinions because they make your friends think you're cool for not liking the norm?
As far as I know, That syntax is bash-specific. The concept of a forkbomb howver is a universal thing -- Just need to find the syntax in a langauge to fork another segmant of code, and have that segmant of code fork itself.
As for not having the limitations, No worries. About the only places I've seen ever limit properly are payed shell providers, as it tends to be annoying on a home machine (things like gcc dont like it, and dont even think about running quake).
It's sad that I'm such a nerd I had no problem reading that.. It's a simplified forkbomb. in english: it runs itself, which runs iself, which runs itself... untily our machine cries out in agony and you reboot it. Unless of course your machine has proper restrictions on it (see: man ulimit; ulimit -a)
I learned in a similer way.
I started off as just yet another AOL kiddie, playing with 'progz' and such. Eventually got bored enough to try something new, and found a copy of Visual Basic 3 (16bit, think win3.11). I then found a vb3 decompiler, and decompiled any vb made program I could find, just to play with the source and change things until it broke, eventually learing the basic syntax, but still didnt know how to do most things. Then one day when I was about 11 I sat there for about 4 hours just reading the entire help file, and just 'got it'. Reading the entire help file was the best thing I could of done, and immediately told all of my (also stupid AOLer) friends that if they wanted programming help from me, they had to do the same first. Only one did, and he thanked me for it later.
I later moved on to current (4, then 5, then eventually 6 though I never really played with any of the new concepts) versions of VB, but also started toying with a copy of QBASIC I found. I never really got it to do anything great, but it was a fun exercize in programming and was a cool 'toy' languge to just play with.
(For the record, I moved on to bash scripts, then made the leap to perl. I tried to learn C but got too busy with other things, I understand the conceps and syntax, but never got around to learning the functions.
"I would be a more efficient person if I always used "u" instead of "you""
Not really. Although you would type faster, you would make it much harder to parse (both from a program perspective and a human perspective). There are many times when it is truely incomprehensible.
However, I've grown to just silenty dislike it rather than actually say something, so long as the person is nice enough (eg, if someone is talking trash in a game of counterstrike, I'm not above saying "atleast I can spell 'you'").
What really made me change was really getting to know some great people who happened to use 'u', causing me to realise that not everyone that uses 'u' is an immature uninteligent being (Though most are, from what I've seen.).
DO NOT USE THIS PROGRAM.
I originaly wrote this, and still own it. sql*kitten has no legal right to release it under the GPL, so nobody has any license to this program. Please delete any copy you may have.
(hey, it worked for AOL..)
"I think maybe people plant these kinds of things just to see if terrorist really will try to use them. "
Because as we all know, 9/11 didn't happen. Whats that? They can crash planes into buildings without simulators? wow.
Better recall Quake2/3, because as soon as ossama rigs up a railgun, he's going to make all the taliban stay up for some good old fashioned deathmatching.
Thats what the TOC protocol is for, of course it lacks all features people expect, so it's about worthless.
Also, IIRC the conditions were if aol adds 'advanced features' (webcam, desktop sharing, etc) they have to open their networks, which is why msn and yahoo are basicly clones of eachother, whereas aim is lagging behind on features.
You can sign on aim with an icq account, and join aim chats. No instant messages between people though. Atleast, you used to be able to, I have no clue if this still works.
-replying to self because I left something out.-
I do agree that this kind of info should be made public, I'm just making a point that security through obscurity isn't universaly useless