" If you are serious about Oracle + Linux, then you will run it under RedHat."
Actually I've had problems with RedHat and Oracle (8 and 9). RedHat 7-9 and the RHAS 2.1 distro's. RH 9 actually turned out to be the easiest to setup with Oracle. Once I modified the memory settings in/proc AND skipped an error during the install it came up just fine. The install error was a mistake in one of makefiles during linking. I had to run it after the fact after tweaking it.
Haven't tried it with SuSE yet. I've been told it works great and doesn't require any makefile tweaking. I've setup quite a number of these with RedHat for the military. You would be surprised how many of these they want to install under Linux.
Has anyone tried it with RHAS 3? I understand it hasn't been certified yet by Oracle.
"If the salinity of the ocean changed, the salinity difference that drives the Gulf Stream would change, and people would NOTICE. It would NOT be subtle."
I didn't say it was subtle. I am suggesting it was a major flood in which everyone noticed:-)
OT but it might interest you to know that if you google Noah Ark and flood you might find more information than a local problem in that region.
Water was tested in both the Gulf of Mexico and Indian Ocean for salinity. They apprarently discovered about the same time on both sides of the world a sudden drop. It wasn't a slight drop either. It was a major drop.
I'm thinking something must have happened on a global scale for this to happen. IANAS (I am not a scientist) however I don't believe on coincidence.
This is a great example of why software patents are a bad idea. A patent on the FAT file system? Come on. If memory serves, Microsoft didn't come up with that idea. Wasn't it IBM and DrDos working on this well before Microsoft got into the game? Heck, Microsoft was going to license a competitors DOS for their use. Now they are claiming they wrote it?
"SCO has been claiming the GPL is in violation of the US Constitution"
SCO has been claiming this on the basis that you can't give software away and maintain copyrights. They apparently didn't read the copyright law which says you can receive compensation in the form of other copyright material. So GPL would have force that being the case.
I'm not suggesting they take no supplies with them. I am however suggesting it would be helpful to have supplies there already. We're talking about something very dangerous and having the additional supplies would be helpful.
Not to mention, landing like a moon landing was planned and they knew exactly where they wanted to land (more or less).
Why not simply send a few ships to Mars. Have a couple go ahead with the items needed then send the group afterwards. They could go once it's been determined the primary vessels have arrived safely and are ready for human use.
Just the other week I read an article in which Microsoft was slamming Linux when it came to patches. How much faster they were, how slow Linux was in patching the OS and so on.
Then I come to slashdot and read this. Puts a spring in my step:-)
They will announce the new name next Wednesday, although a favorite is Lindos -- 'because it's the W that is causing all the problems'."
Geez.. All this trouble over the letter W?
Next thing you know -e'll hear la-suits to eliminate the W in -ednesday. After next -eek's ne-sconference, -e -ill have to stop using that letter in all our -ork. Microsoft o-ns it:-)
I hear what you are saying. I've been looking at SuSE and Debian this last year since RH9 support was stated to be going away. SuSE 9.0 looked awesom. I was able to install across the internet just fine and install the server pieces I wanted also using YAST. I strongly recommend people to check it out. You can pay the $39/$79 or download and try it without the live eval cd.
I stuck with RedHat and purchased advanced server in the past. Now that RedHat has moved to Fedora (I'm reserving judgement on it still), I think it will be good and bad for them.
Debian was pretty good... once you were past the installer. SuSE installation was at least as nice as anything RedHat pushed out. Gentoo and other's are available with less disruption. I wish RedHat well but I feel this is the beginning of the end for them (could be wrong.. hope so).
What's interesting is major backers such as Russia have withdrew from Kyoto. They have even stated that it wasn't the best solution (if I recall properly).
"Remember you kick the tires with someone elses permission. You don't go onto the lot, jump into a car, and then drive it around town. In fact some dealers have the salesperson ride around with you. So NO the two aren't equivalent."
Pick a product then and compare then. I used cars as an example.
"You have all the buy it, copy it, return it, to thank for that. See how the few spoil it for the many. Hope you remembered to scold them. BTW if it's defective they will exchange it."
So I can exchange my pre August 2002 version of XP for a newer one? Service Pack 1 was supposed to allow me to use hard drives greater than 137Gb. Didn't work and no I can't return it for one that does. I ended up returning the 160Gb drive and bought two 120Gb drives. Microsoft said it's my problem (I didn't code it guys.. geez).
"No other industry has a product that can be copied by a ten year old. If cars were they same way, then you'd see the same thing happening."
Literature + Xerox = 10 year old pirate:-)
No I don't mean to sound like I'm defending/pounding here but the point is yes, there are other examples and I just pointed a couple more above. I'm sure if I spent a few minutes I could come up with some more. There is still the fact that these industries could push out defective products or simply not meet expectations. You have no recourse (like my Windows XP situation). If there is a problem with the product then I should be able to get it returned/replaced with a copy that meets expectations.
" If you want music, buy it! If it's not valuable to you, don't."
Purchasing a car is valuable to me. I prefer to kick the tires and take the vehicle out for a ride before I get sucked into purchasing it.
Same goes with music or programs. Yes I've pirated programs and guess what. The crappy software goes to/dev/null and the real stuff get's purchased. Music? Same thing. I will NOT purchase a CD when they only have one good song on it. The whole album must be checked before I spend one red cent.
Computers, Music and Movie industries are allowed something that just about all other's are not. You purchase a product and if it's defective or doesn't meet expectations your are not allowed to return it for a refund.
I've purchased CD's when I was young in which only one flippen song was any good. The rest garbage. Same with Movies and Music. Can't get your money back and they walk away from you laughing.
Yes I'm a bit upset over this. Like I said, no other industry can get away with this without a backlash.
I knew SCO was run by a bunch of lunatics but...
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SCO Aims For The Feds
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It's awefully difficult to believe the rediculous actions of this company.
""If you fail to respond to our efforts to pursue a licensing arrangement, WE WILL TURN YOUR NAME OVER TO OUR OUTSIDE COUNSEL FOR CONSIDERATION OF LEGAL ACTION," Pettit said."
This was amusing. For consideration of legal action? It's sad how they managed to turn the legal system into a circus. It painfully shows how we need to fix our system or face future SCO's.
""Open-source software--available widely through the Internet--has the potential to provide our nation's enemies or potential enemies with computing capabilities that are restricted by U.S. law," McBride said. "A computer expert in North Korea who has a number of personal computers can download the latest version of Linux...and in short order build a virtual supercomputer.""
This will happen regardless of what happens in the US. Linux is all over the world in multiple distros. I don't think a SMALL company like SCO will ever be able to do anything about it. SCO is in it's death throws. Let's bury them before they stink up the place.
I haven't tried it yet however I understand you can download the suse boot disk then install via ftp. Granted you need a big pipe to install the darn thing that way. Since RedHat has moved to Fedora (still not sure if I like that model), I've been thinking of SuSE and Debian.
Debian isn't all that bad. Actually I kind of like it. Once you get past that installer I mean:-) I've worked with SuSE years ago. They were pretty decent then and now with the 2.6 kernel in version 9.1 (available in may? WTH!), I'm seriously considering installing over the net (Yes... I have cable).
I've "heard" people mention the live CD ISO available can be installed to the hard drive. Anyone know if this is true? I may try that this weekend just to see.
No kidding. I guess it's to their credit they discovered the truth before banning the stuff. Would be pretty bad had they voted yes to ban it then discovered they had to go through all the trouble of overturning it:-)
Not to troll but doesn't this validate piracy? If we are already paying for the "possibility" of using a product to pirate music/movies/whatever, doesn't this grant fair use rights us? We should be allowed to make copies as we see fit. After all, we paid for it already.
"They also have said that these first two lawsuits will be against companies that hold SCO Unix licenses"
So if I read this correctly, if you purchased a SCO license then SCO can sue you? huh? Pardon my ignorance but wasn't the whole reason these guys purchased licenses was to be protected from lawsuit?
It's fortunate I don't have to click "Yes" in the ActiveX popups. Windows did that automatically for me. I checked the IE settings and discovered just how stupid I had been. Now everything in IE (should I be forced to use the damn thing again) is set to HIGH security.
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"Care to provide a reference?"
Sure. The show was presented on PBS about 4 years ago. Wish I had more to go on. I haven't thought much about it since the show to be honest.
" If you are serious about Oracle + Linux, then you will run it under RedHat."
/proc AND skipped an error during the install it came up just fine. The install error was a mistake in one of makefiles during linking. I had to run it after the fact after tweaking it.
Actually I've had problems with RedHat and Oracle (8 and 9). RedHat 7-9 and the RHAS 2.1 distro's. RH 9 actually turned out to be the easiest to setup with Oracle. Once I modified the memory settings in
Haven't tried it with SuSE yet. I've been told it works great and doesn't require any makefile tweaking. I've setup quite a number of these with RedHat for the military. You would be surprised how many of these they want to install under Linux.
Has anyone tried it with RHAS 3? I understand it hasn't been certified yet by Oracle.
"If the salinity of the ocean changed, the salinity difference that drives the Gulf Stream would change, and people would NOTICE. It would NOT be subtle."
:-)
I didn't say it was subtle. I am suggesting it was a major flood in which everyone noticed
OT but it might interest you to know that if you google Noah Ark and flood you might find more information than a local problem in that region.
Water was tested in both the Gulf of Mexico and Indian Ocean for salinity. They apprarently discovered about the same time on both sides of the world a sudden drop. It wasn't a slight drop either. It was a major drop.
I'm thinking something must have happened on a global scale for this to happen. IANAS (I am not a scientist) however I don't believe on coincidence.
::sigh::
This is a great example of why software patents are a bad idea. A patent on the FAT file system? Come on. If memory serves, Microsoft didn't come up with that idea. Wasn't it IBM and DrDos working on this well before Microsoft got into the game? Heck, Microsoft was going to license a competitors DOS for their use. Now they are claiming they wrote it?
"SCO has been claiming the GPL is in violation of the US Constitution"
SCO has been claiming this on the basis that you can't give software away and maintain copyrights. They apparently didn't read the copyright law which says you can receive compensation in the form of other copyright material. So GPL would have force that being the case.
" The RIAA is 'greedy' for legally pursuing people who are violating their copyright."
Don't forget those people who have no computer (or are not running Kazaa) and yet somehow violated copyright laws.
They don't have mp3's basically. Several articles found in Yahoo and CNN about this.
I would call that abusive.
I'm not suggesting they take no supplies with them. I am however suggesting it would be helpful to have supplies there already. We're talking about something very dangerous and having the additional supplies would be helpful.
Not to mention, landing like a moon landing was planned and they knew exactly where they wanted to land (more or less).
Why not simply send a few ships to Mars. Have a couple go ahead with the items needed then send the group afterwards. They could go once it's been determined the primary vessels have arrived safely and are ready for human use.
This sounds like a bad idea. People running red lights now will = more accidents. I wonder if they were thinking this one through or using the force?
Just the other week I read an article in which Microsoft was slamming Linux when it came to patches. How much faster they were, how slow Linux was in patching the OS and so on.
:-)
Then I come to slashdot and read this. Puts a spring in my step
They will announce the new name next Wednesday, although a favorite is Lindos -- 'because it's the W that is causing all the problems'."
:-)
Geez.. All this trouble over the letter W?
Next thing you know -e'll hear la-suits to eliminate the W in -ednesday. After next -eek's ne-sconference, -e -ill have to stop using that letter in all our -ork. Microsoft o-ns it
I hear what you are saying. I've been looking at SuSE and Debian this last year since RH9 support was stated to be going away. SuSE 9.0 looked awesom. I was able to install across the internet just fine and install the server pieces I wanted also using YAST. I strongly recommend people to check it out. You can pay the $39/$79 or download and try it without the live eval cd.
I stuck with RedHat and purchased advanced server in the past. Now that RedHat has moved to Fedora (I'm reserving judgement on it still), I think it will be good and bad for them.
Debian was pretty good... once you were past the installer. SuSE installation was at least as nice as anything RedHat pushed out. Gentoo and other's are available with less disruption. I wish RedHat well but I feel this is the beginning of the end for them (could be wrong.. hope so).
Cats and dogs living together, the lamb and the lion sleeping together... mass hysteria.
;-)
What is the world coming to. Next thing you know, someone will tell me Microsoft is selling Linux
No offense but apparently they haven't been up to Canada. Beautiful place. But then again, I love the Rocky Mountains :-)
What's interesting is major backers such as Russia have withdrew from Kyoto. They have even stated that it wasn't the best solution (if I recall properly).
"Remember you kick the tires with someone elses permission. You don't go onto the lot, jump into a car, and then drive it around town. In fact some dealers have the salesperson ride around with you. So NO the two aren't equivalent."
:-)
Pick a product then and compare then. I used cars as an example.
"You have all the buy it, copy it, return it, to thank for that. See how the few spoil it for the many. Hope you remembered to scold them. BTW if it's defective they will exchange it."
So I can exchange my pre August 2002 version of XP for a newer one? Service Pack 1 was supposed to allow me to use hard drives greater than 137Gb. Didn't work and no I can't return it for one that does. I ended up returning the 160Gb drive and bought two 120Gb drives. Microsoft said it's my problem (I didn't code it guys.. geez).
"No other industry has a product that can be copied by a ten year old. If cars were they same way, then you'd see the same thing happening."
Literature + Xerox = 10 year old pirate
No I don't mean to sound like I'm defending/pounding here but the point is yes, there are other examples and I just pointed a couple more above. I'm sure if I spent a few minutes I could come up with some more. There is still the fact that these industries could push out defective products or simply not meet expectations. You have no recourse (like my Windows XP situation). If there is a problem with the product then I should be able to get it returned/replaced with a copy that meets expectations.
I understand your point, consider my point also.
I think you are confusing his religion (LDS) with his habits (LSD).
Definitely Darl is a clutz!
" If you want music, buy it! If it's not valuable to you, don't."
/dev/null and the real stuff get's purchased. Music? Same thing. I will NOT purchase a CD when they only have one good song on it. The whole album must be checked before I spend one red cent.
Purchasing a car is valuable to me. I prefer to kick the tires and take the vehicle out for a ride before I get sucked into purchasing it.
Same goes with music or programs. Yes I've pirated programs and guess what. The crappy software goes to
Computers, Music and Movie industries are allowed something that just about all other's are not. You purchase a product and if it's defective or doesn't meet expectations your are not allowed to return it for a refund.
I've purchased CD's when I was young in which only one flippen song was any good. The rest garbage. Same with Movies and Music. Can't get your money back and they walk away from you laughing.
Yes I'm a bit upset over this. Like I said, no other industry can get away with this without a backlash.
It's awefully difficult to believe the rediculous actions of this company.
""If you fail to respond to our efforts to pursue a licensing arrangement, WE WILL TURN YOUR NAME OVER TO OUR OUTSIDE COUNSEL FOR CONSIDERATION OF LEGAL ACTION," Pettit said."
This was amusing. For consideration of legal action? It's sad how they managed to turn the legal system into a circus. It painfully shows how we need to fix our system or face future SCO's.
""Open-source software--available widely through the Internet--has the potential to provide our nation's enemies or potential enemies with computing capabilities that are restricted by U.S. law," McBride said. "A computer expert in North Korea who has a number of personal computers can download the latest version of Linux...and in short order build a virtual supercomputer.""
This will happen regardless of what happens in the US. Linux is all over the world in multiple distros. I don't think a SMALL company like SCO will ever be able to do anything about it. SCO is in it's death throws. Let's bury them before they stink up the place.
I haven't tried it yet however I understand you can download the suse boot disk then install via ftp. Granted you need a big pipe to install the darn thing that way. Since RedHat has moved to Fedora (still not sure if I like that model), I've been thinking of SuSE and Debian.
:-) I've worked with SuSE years ago. They were pretty decent then and now with the 2.6 kernel in version 9.1 (available in may? WTH!), I'm seriously considering installing over the net (Yes... I have cable).
Debian isn't all that bad. Actually I kind of like it. Once you get past that installer I mean
I've "heard" people mention the live CD ISO available can be installed to the hard drive. Anyone know if this is true? I may try that this weekend just to see.
hehehe...
:-)
No kidding. I guess it's to their credit they discovered the truth before banning the stuff. Would be pretty bad had they voted yes to ban it then discovered they had to go through all the trouble of overturning it
Not to troll but doesn't this validate piracy? If we are already paying for the "possibility" of using a product to pirate music/movies/whatever, doesn't this grant fair use rights us? We should be allowed to make copies as we see fit. After all, we paid for it already.
Or am I reading this wrong?
"They also have said that these first two lawsuits will be against companies that hold SCO Unix licenses"
So if I read this correctly, if you purchased a SCO license then SCO can sue you? huh? Pardon my ignorance but wasn't the whole reason these guys purchased licenses was to be protected from lawsuit?
Signed... really confused SCO hater.
::grinz::
:D
It's fortunate I don't have to click "Yes" in the ActiveX popups. Windows did that automatically for me. I checked the IE settings and discovered just how stupid I had been. Now everything in IE (should I be forced to use the damn thing again) is set to HIGH security.
Amazong how much faster the pages load now