" Do you have proofs to your claims appart vague statements: "there were strange programs on my computer"?
I didn't save the logs. I had no reason to since I couldn't work on the Windows code and fix the problems. Only Microsoft or one of their agents would be able to to anything. Sorry. The names of the programs were unusual. b.exe and bth.exe. After looking around, I didn't see anything that should have called those programs (or even how they got there to begin with). I downloaded several well known programs from download.com/AdAware Removal section. They were very helpful in detecting/removing these programs.
"I find that strange. I've set up several windows systems,"
Why would you find that strange? We hear about these things every day in the security newsgroups. Also I keep up with www.cert.org and www.securityfocus.com to name a couple. They have some great info on multiple platforms.
" don't use IE and Outlook. Use alternatives such as mozilla firefox and thunderbird"
You got me there. I admit I didn't follow my own rule here. Usually I run Netscape/Mozilla. It's my fault for running Microsoft's browser. I've noticed these last few days fewer problems since I switched. Still, I think it makes the point we were discussing. Microsoft exploits are out and patches for many are not available. A fully patched system according to Microsoft should have no exploits to take advantage of. I disagree.
"We have never had vulnerabilities exploited before the patch was known', and '[he] could only think of one instance when a vulnerability was exploited before a patch was available'. "
I've had my Windows XP system comprimised a couple of times in the most interesting way. Fully patched and running SP1. I've even tightened up IE security to high and restricted what sites can do and firewalled. Despite my best efforts, somehow I must have hit a web site which they downloaded spyware onto my system. I couldn't see it running in the task bar but it was there.
I found it by accident. From download.com I pulled several programs to scan for running processes. I noticed some weird stuff that Bill didn't put there. I didn't put it there also. Took a bit of work but it was eventually killed and I remove the programs from the system.
Microsoft has no explaination for this other than "practice safe browsing". Great. So how is that accomplished using IE?
BTW, Netscape in the same environment and same web sites hasn't given me the same headaches. Oh I"m sure there are problems. At least they are not as blatant as what Microsoft has been shelling out.
True however other articles in the past have stated this (Microsoft working together with others such as Sendmail).
"Microsoft is one of several companies who are also working to combat spam with a "caller ID" system. Yahoo's DomainKeys is another one."
One of several companies working on the problem. They are all working to find the best way to combat the problem. The solutions on the table are in the early stages. All these companies are working on a solution which other's could test/check out (eventually). If they didn't work together then how useful would the solution be? They are working together.
I did read the fine article. Perhaps sendmail's plugin will be the way to go instead. It's being defined as we speak!
I sure hope so. I will require some tangible proof that I am using their products before I send in anything (besides Monopoly money that is).
Also, I still don't recall signing anything that looks like a SCO contract when I installed/purchased RedHat Linux. I'm curious if a court would recognize my non-participation in this matter.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. If the New York Times prints someting that they don't own (IP for example), how can I be held liable if I didn't put it there? The court system doesn't allow this sort of nonsense.
He argues that open source software, because of its very openness, will inevitably lead to security concerns.
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Huh?
Microsoft isn't open last I checked. Hackers don't seem to have any problem with causing havok with a 'closed source' product.
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He says that this makes adoption of open source software by governments particularly worrisome. In his words: 'An old adage that governments would be well-served to heed is: You get what you pay for. When you rely on free or low-cost products, you often get the shaft, and that, in my opinion, is exactly what governments are on track to get.'"
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Ok, I give. You get what you pay for? I've heard this for many years. I don't see my fast food burgers quite as large as the pictures nor do I see other items I pay for performing as advertised (cite Microsoft again). Not to bash these guys but think about it. How often has my IE browser links been jacked to some other site or a virus/worm trashed my up to date and patched system?
Microsoft has done great things for the industry however closed source isn't any more secure apparently.
The idea that video games cause violence is sheer rubbish! It's amazing that this idea keeps popping up with nothing to substantiate it. Almost like saying fire causes people go run out and commit arson.
If video games cause violence then I'm a prime candidate to start running around, stealing cars, firing at people with a gun/rocket launcher, and blow up buildings. Been playing since I was 12 so I must be ready to snap any second now::grinz::
Unreal. Where do these people come from anyway:-)
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"American drivers, as a rule, suck. One more reason I want to live in germany."
Yes and no. As an American I'm VERY concerned with how many people drive around me. I've been in two accidents in the last 15 years because someone didn't bother to turn their head and realize I was in the next lane beside them. I on the other hand did notice a number of rather nasty accidents driving down the autobahn in Germany. Problem with this is the guy who lost was part of the pavement for about 2 miles:/
I nearly lost my lunch after witnessing that! As a result I'm a much more careful and courteous driver. I always tell people to slow down. It's your life and mine.
I for one would be highly receptive to a HUD as some have mentioned here. Include that with this radar solution. If it reduces the accident rate by any amount then I would say it was worth it!
Makes me wonder if globalization was such a good idea after all. If we are out of work then who will be purchasing these products? Certainly not Americans. We can't afford it!
No.. not trolling. Think about it. I would LOVE to be wrong on this one.
"Sounds like Darl is following the teachings of Joseph Smith to the letter." ^^^^ ^^^^ ^^^^ This is called innuendo. I do not ascribe to 99.99% of the religions on the planet and yet I refuse to engage in any attempts to belittle any of them. Show some character if you would Sir.
Besides, we are not discussing LDS teachings. This was a discussion regarding Daryl's harming the OSS community and how this might affect him when it's over. Personally I believe he has harmed me personally and the OSS community. He has committed fraud and will be punished.
I'm ending now. This conversation has gone way beyond where it was intended.
I understand. I wouldn't be surprised if some linux user happened to let it out of the bag. It's frowned upon because it helps nobody. If this ever happened and got out I doubt it would help him to overcome whatever his problem really is.
Personally I pity the man. I believe everyone has the ability to change. It's the desire that I believe Daryl is lacking. I find it hard believe he's sincere but you never know.
Yes. The interviews with the Bishop are not for public disclosure. Daryl's comments however are very public and should make it easy to provide evidence.
I don't know about the officers of Novell however if there is a legitimate complaint then it goes to the High Council for the local stake in which the person lives (generally). It's called a "Bishops Court" in which his Bishop presides. It's very much like our legal process (minus the liers.... errrr lawyers I mean). Evidence is presented (should be easy in this case to come up with some) and testimony is taken.
Once all this is completed, the High Council deliberates and renders a decision. Disfellowship, excommunication or some other punishment.
I was involved with helping a bishop years ago as ward clerk and had some involvement in this once. The process is VERY private. The person IMO needs help and this is the beginning of that process. Once this goes to court and when SCO loses, Daryl could end up with a lot more trouble than he bargened for.
Again, this is a private process not designed to freak anyone out. It's designed to put someone on the path of healing.
"When a fellow Mormon is mentioned in the media I usually feel excitement for the accomplishments of that person. However Darl McBride's behavior is hardly something to feel pride over. I feel his business ethics are questionable and embarrassing to his religious community. I hope no further reference in the media will be made to Darl McBride and his religion for the sake of all Mormons."
Actually he's not an embarrasement. He's a joke. There is something called "ex-communication" in the Mormon church. By going against the church teachings he is basically pushing himself into a position of facing this.
Oh and there are Temple recommends. Basically one of the questions for a church Temple recommend asks "Have you been honest with your fellow man?". This is just one of many questions that Daryl will face as he is grilled by his Bishop (original or extra crispy?). Since this is very public, I doubt he could lie and get away with it. I feel sorry for the guy. He basically proves that some people will do anything for money. Even sell his own soul
(Sorry for the OT.. read the article refered and couldn't let it alone)
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" Do you have proofs to your claims appart vague statements: "there were strange programs on my computer"?
I didn't save the logs. I had no reason to since I couldn't work on the Windows code and fix the problems. Only Microsoft or one of their agents would be able to to anything. Sorry. The names of the programs were unusual. b.exe and bth.exe. After looking around, I didn't see anything that should have called those programs (or even how they got there to begin with). I downloaded several well known programs from download.com/AdAware Removal section. They were very helpful in detecting/removing these programs.
"I find that strange. I've set up several windows systems,"
Why would you find that strange? We hear about these things every day in the security newsgroups. Also I keep up with www.cert.org and www.securityfocus.com to name a couple. They have some great info on multiple platforms.
" don't use IE and Outlook. Use alternatives such as mozilla firefox and thunderbird"
You got me there. I admit I didn't follow my own rule here. Usually I run Netscape/Mozilla. It's my fault for running Microsoft's browser. I've noticed these last few days fewer problems since I switched. Still, I think it makes the point we were discussing. Microsoft exploits are out and patches for many are not available. A fully patched system according to Microsoft should have no exploits to take advantage of. I disagree.
"We have never had vulnerabilities exploited before the patch was known', and '[he] could only think of one instance when a vulnerability was exploited before a patch was available'. "
I've had my Windows XP system comprimised a couple of times in the most interesting way. Fully patched and running SP1. I've even tightened up IE security to high and restricted what sites can do and firewalled. Despite my best efforts, somehow I must have hit a web site which they downloaded spyware onto my system. I couldn't see it running in the task bar but it was there.
I found it by accident. From download.com I pulled several programs to scan for running processes. I noticed some weird stuff that Bill didn't put there. I didn't put it there also. Took a bit of work but it was eventually killed and I remove the programs from the system.
Microsoft has no explaination for this other than "practice safe browsing". Great. So how is that accomplished using IE?
BTW, Netscape in the same environment and same web sites hasn't given me the same headaches. Oh I"m sure there are problems. At least they are not as blatant as what Microsoft has been shelling out.
True however other articles in the past have stated this (Microsoft working together with others such as Sendmail).
"Microsoft is one of several companies who are also working to combat spam with a "caller ID" system. Yahoo's DomainKeys is another one."
One of several companies working on the problem. They are all working to find the best way to combat the problem. The solutions on the table are in the early stages. All these companies are working on a solution which other's could test/check out (eventually). If they didn't work together then how useful would the solution be? They are working together.
I did read the fine article. Perhaps sendmail's plugin will be the way to go instead. It's being defined as we speak!
What's really amazing is the problem with spam is so bad that Microsoft is working with other's to finally resolve it.
:-)
Unbelivable. I guess they couldn't handle the competition
Actually I thought we were trying to get rid of two problems with a single solution. :-)
I sure hope so. I will require some tangible proof that I am using their products before I send in anything (besides Monopoly money that is).
Also, I still don't recall signing anything that looks like a SCO contract when I installed/purchased RedHat Linux. I'm curious if a court would recognize my non-participation in this matter.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. If the New York Times prints someting that they don't own (IP for example), how can I be held liable if I didn't put it there? The court system doesn't allow this sort of nonsense.
Actually they were able to telnet into it and resolve the problems that way. SSH was not working for some reason.
The shallow-minded slashdrones will say "Bush is evil, these scientists are 100% correct!"
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Personally, I haven't believed in scientists since I learned the world really was round
Would this be a good time to bring up the "We welcome our new Overlords" joke?
He argues that open source software, because of its very openness, will inevitably lead to security concerns.
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Huh?
Microsoft isn't open last I checked. Hackers don't seem to have any problem with causing havok with a 'closed source' product.
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He says that this makes adoption of open source software by governments particularly worrisome. In his words: 'An old adage that governments would be well-served to heed is: You get what you pay for. When you rely on free or low-cost products, you often get the shaft, and that, in my opinion, is exactly what governments are on track to get.'"
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Ok, I give. You get what you pay for? I've heard this for many years. I don't see my fast food burgers quite as large as the pictures nor do I see other items I pay for performing as advertised (cite Microsoft again). Not to bash these guys but think about it. How often has my IE browser links been jacked to some other site or a virus/worm trashed my up to date and patched system?
Microsoft has done great things for the industry however closed source isn't any more secure apparently.
The idea that video games cause violence is sheer rubbish! It's amazing that this idea keeps popping up with nothing to substantiate it. Almost like saying fire causes people go run out and commit arson.
::grinz::
:-)
If video games cause violence then I'm a prime candidate to start running around, stealing cars, firing at people with a gun/rocket launcher, and blow up buildings. Been playing since I was 12 so I must be ready to snap any second now
Unreal. Where do these people come from anyway
"American drivers, as a rule, suck. One more reason I want to live in germany."
:/
Yes and no. As an American I'm VERY concerned with how many people drive around me. I've been in two accidents in the last 15 years because someone didn't bother to turn their head and realize I was in the next lane beside them. I on the other hand did notice a number of rather nasty accidents driving down the autobahn in Germany. Problem with this is the guy who lost was part of the pavement for about 2 miles
I nearly lost my lunch after witnessing that! As a result I'm a much more careful and courteous driver. I always tell people to slow down. It's your life and mine.
I for one would be highly receptive to a HUD as some have mentioned here. Include that with this radar solution. If it reduces the accident rate by any amount then I would say it was worth it!
Makes me wonder if globalization was such a good idea after all. If we are out of work then who will be purchasing these products? Certainly not Americans. We can't afford it!
No.. not trolling. Think about it. I would LOVE to be wrong on this one.
It would have been funny had he put Darl's name into the code.
I think that's the problem. Someone must have taken the SCO code and is spreading it around via this new worm.
No wonder they're pissed.
I'm sorry but that domain name has already been take.... hey wait a minute... it's free....
MINE!!
"Sounds like Darl is following the teachings of Joseph Smith to the letter."
^^^^ ^^^^ ^^^^
This is called innuendo. I do not ascribe to 99.99% of the religions on the planet and yet I refuse to engage in any attempts to belittle any of them. Show some character if you would Sir.
Besides, we are not discussing LDS teachings. This was a discussion regarding Daryl's harming the OSS community and how this might affect him when it's over. Personally I believe he has harmed me personally and the OSS community. He has committed fraud and will be punished.
I'm ending now. This conversation has gone way beyond where it was intended.
I understand what you are saying however I believe that Fraud is still a felony.
I understand. I wouldn't be surprised if some linux user happened to let it out of the bag. It's frowned upon because it helps nobody. If this ever happened and got out I doubt it would help him to overcome whatever his problem really is.
Personally I pity the man. I believe everyone has the ability to change. It's the desire that I believe Daryl is lacking. I find it hard believe he's sincere but you never know.
Yes. The interviews with the Bishop are not for public disclosure. Daryl's comments however are very public and should make it easy to provide evidence.
I don't know about the officers of Novell however if there is a legitimate complaint then it goes to the High Council for the local stake in which the person lives (generally). It's called a "Bishops Court" in which his Bishop presides. It's very much like our legal process (minus the liers .... errrr lawyers I mean). Evidence is presented (should be easy in this case to come up with some) and testimony is taken.
Once all this is completed, the High Council deliberates and renders a decision. Disfellowship, excommunication or some other punishment.
I was involved with helping a bishop years ago as ward clerk and had some involvement in this once. The process is VERY private. The person IMO needs help and this is the beginning of that process. Once this goes to court and when SCO loses, Daryl could end up with a lot more trouble than he bargened for.
Again, this is a private process not designed to freak anyone out. It's designed to put someone on the path of healing.
At least we now know what code SCO has been complaining about all this time (finally!)
"Good riddance SCO, you're bound to loose. And you, Darl, will go down in history as the sorriest idiot ever to run a company"
::grinz::)
One thing for sure, he's giving the Enron Exec's a run for their money (meaning who is truely the sorriest idiot ever to run a company
"When a fellow Mormon is mentioned in the media I usually feel excitement for the accomplishments of that person. However Darl McBride's behavior is hardly something to feel pride over. I feel his business ethics are questionable and embarrassing to his religious community. I hope no further reference in the media will be made to Darl McBride and his religion for the sake of all Mormons."
Actually he's not an embarrasement. He's a joke. There is something called "ex-communication" in the Mormon church. By going against the church teachings he is basically pushing himself into a position of facing this.
Oh and there are Temple recommends. Basically one of the questions for a church Temple recommend asks "Have you been honest with your fellow man?". This is just one of many questions that Daryl will face as he is grilled by his Bishop (original or extra crispy?). Since this is very public, I doubt he could lie and get away with it. I feel sorry for the guy. He basically proves that some people will do anything for money. Even sell his own soul
(Sorry for the OT.. read the article refered and couldn't let it alone)
" My question is when will the RIAA start running out of money to do this sort of thing. Surely it must already be hurting the bottom line."
It hasn't stopped SCO so I doubt the RIAA cares either. Of course we all know they (SCO) are bent on committing SCOicide.