Not much effort. To interface with the ADS I setup samba 2.x and purchased crossover office to run outlook (they turned off pop/imap). I could have used the web interface but I wanted folders for archiving my messages from the exchange server.
Since I was running on an IBM Thinkpad I wasn't going to be installing new hardware very often;-) I did however have a problem with swapping between the floppy and cd/dvd burner. IBM support mentioned it wasn't supported under Linux. So it wasn't a perfect solution. I simply left the cd/dvd burner in the system. Rarely did I need to use a floppy anyway. If someone needed a file I simply put it on a network folder or emailed it to them.
For a non-laptop installation I had little trouble installing new hardware. Upon power up the Kudzu program would scan for new hardware. If I didn't install junk it usually worked just fine. Recenly for example I built a firewall for home using RedHat 9. I had to install a new 3com nic in the system. Kudzu automatically found the card and configured it for me. Was rather nice actually.
You do bring up a great point. Installing programs under linux isn't as nice as say Wintendo. You either do an rpm install, run config/make or apt-get. You can't click on an icon called setup.exe (or whatever) to run it. At least I don't think you can do that with rpm's. Haven't tried now that I think of it. Nautilus may know how to handle them. Still... you would have to be root for rpm installs. So not a perfect solution I admit. Then again, I recall Microsoft recently saying you don't need perfect code right;-)
I did worse... I gave it to my wife and asked her to use it to get her email, browse the internet and write her letters on it.
Oh, and the screen resolution is changed by how many every day people? Once it's set I seriously doubt you will see anyone trying to change it. And yes, I have asked people about something ilke this on the desktop.
If using RedHat select preferences then display settings. You can change your resolution there. Or select "Start Here" and select preferences. Same thing:D
Personally I don't see what the problem is. For the last two years I've been working at Hill AirForce Base in Utah and they have a Microsoft ADS network. My RedHat 9.0 laptop intergrated just fine in that environment.
I was able to get email from exchange, mount the home directory or any network server share and write/read files, access any of my Solaris/Linux servers I managed and so on. Oh, and I submitted my timesheets from OpenOffice 1.1.0. They were in excel format btw:-)
Not ready for the desktop? 99.99999% of all users on the base did the above or less on their computer (unless they were solitare junkies then it was even less).
I have yet to hear a valid argument why Linux isn't ready for the desktop. Sure you can customize the hell outta it compared to Windows. Most people don't customize Windows beyond changing their background and screensaver. You can do that in Linux and be just as happy.
"As an avid Linux user who doesn't use any Microsoft products, allow me to play devil's advocate here: Is Microsoft a monopoly?
Since I'm sitting here typing this on my Linux machine, my response is no. "
So if Microsoft makes good on their threat to stop selling Windows are you saying it won't severely affect the world market? If it does then despite the alternatives we're talking about a company that has extreeme power and the will to use it to affect a market for it's own benefit.
This is what the monopoly laws are all about. Preventing the abuse of a market by a company.
A monopoly is still a monopoly regardless of this. Everyone pays off someone for something. Look at Microsoft and the 2004 Election. They paid how much for the Bush compaign?
Point is, they broke the law regardless. It's a felony no matter how you spin it.
I have been using Linux on the Desktop for more than 5 years now. I'm not really sure wtf they are talking about. Everything 99% of people need is right there.
Email (yup), Internet Browser? (got that too), Office Suite? (Got 5 really good ones last count). So what is Linux missing? A big bill attached to it perhaps:-)
You're having trouble playing dvds on linux? What distro are you running? Never mind... You can get everything you need in freshrpms.net and install it all in about 5 minutes.
Playing DVD's on linux couldn't be simpler. I like Xine through I'm warming up to mplayer lately.
I have already started looking at other distro's to replace redhat. If they don't have a free version available then I will be looking elsewhere. We've purchased AS and are always looking to learn how RedHat Linux could make our lives easier. Now that the free version is gone (Fedora? are you kidding me??) we'll be looking at Debian and slackware. Suse is already top of the list.
No kidding. I had a problem with my warcraft III cd for some reason. After dinking with it for a few minutes I went on the net and found a crack. I don't pirate but stuff like this is rediculous. Now at least I can play wcIII without fighting the cd.
I thought about calling tech support. Everyone knows how much I love (hate) talking on the phone. Also how much I love (hate) waiting forever on the phone. Maybe if they had a better support mechanism in place I would be happier about contacting them.
What truely amazes me is SCO's argument is something similar to the following.
Say I write sql/pl code for my oracle database. Now I sell that code/application whatever. Does this mean I am in violation since sql/pl is Oracle product? Or what if I use some other product. Write code then sell or give it away. Does that manufacturer claim IP rites over the product I created?
We could say the same thing with Microsoft. Oh wait.. they have violated IP from other companies. Bad example;-)
This is a good point. There are alot of people out of work because of this war on terroism. The money has to come from somewhere. So now I'm on unemployement as a result. Along with 30 other people from my group. They are down to 7 and about to let go another 5.
Rather than spending money in destruction perhaps we should look at building. Building not just NASA, the space program and these OSP's but perhaps bridges between us and others.
Not trolling (some people need to see this to understand I'm serious). There are times to fight and times to build. I'm not sure this is the time for fighting:-)
Part of the reason I think they are doing this is Fedora. RedHat may be providing in the future distro's for poeple to download still. Then again perhaps Fedora will flop. I simply don't know. It's too soon to make any determination whether this is a good move or not.
Personally I am apprehensive and will be watching this very closely. I've used SUSE in the past and am looking at another linux distro for a backup (Debian). Just in case SUSE does dumb things:-)
It was my understanding that Veritas partially wrote the NTFS filesystem for Micro$oft. I have heard this mentioned several times throughout the years. Curious if this isn't the case.
That's what bugs me about this whole thing. First they claim they own the world... then they claim they own a street.. then a building.. now a floor. I'm wondering if it was just leased from another (Novell) and they aren't sure about that either.
Pathetic little company. SCO deserves to be bought out but by Microsoft. Nobody else wants them.
Sorry if I sound a little angry about all this. But people have been lied to and that I can't abide. I'm anxious to sent a note to Darryl's Bishop and ask he be kicked outta the church (No.. I'm not kidding).
What I don't understand is how can they call this a "fix"?
Fix for what? Besides fixing their monopoly problems I don't see how this really fixed anything. Other than proving once again that Microsoft is nothing but a monopoly similar to the oil barons of back when. Only interested in locking people into their product.
If this was something done by any other monopoly they would be back in court again and this time real punishment would be handed out.
It was my understanding the Supreme Court had ruled on this sort of thing years ago. They said if it's not encoded/encrypted then you can record it. It's available publicly and it's yours if you want it. This was ruling regarding VHS recorders.
Now we see the same thing with regards to PVR's. I'm curious what the Supreme Court will say if your rights to record are infringed upon. The only way they could make this work is to encode the broadcast.
Anyone have thoughts on this? I'll be paying close attention as the FTC proceeds. I'm a big time supporter of freevo and would be upset to see it go away.
I was in the solaris camp for many years telling everyone how cpu power isn't everything. Well.. it helps. So does design of the system and so on. Sparc III's are nice and I'm looking forward to the Sparc IV's.
Here is an experience that changed my POV. I was installing Oracle 8 on a Dell p2650 running RedHat 7.3. From begin install to Database is mounted and available took about 10 minutes. The same installation on any sunfire took around 40 minutes or longer!
Naturally people thought I was kidding or did something wrong. After several tests it was concluded that the Sun boxes just couldn't muster the hoursepower to compete with these Dell systems. Eventually we started purchasing more and more of these boxes (all duals).
Migrating data with the Sun boxes can take us a few weeks at best. We did the same thing on these new systems. A week. 5 days and we were done.
As much as I love Sun and Solaris I simply don't see them in business in a few years because they were simply unwilling to change. That kind of thinking nearly killed IBM.
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Not much effort. To interface with the ADS I setup samba 2.x and purchased crossover office to run outlook (they turned off pop/imap). I could have used the web interface but I wanted folders for archiving my messages from the exchange server.
;-) I did however have a problem with swapping between the floppy and cd/dvd burner. IBM support mentioned it wasn't supported under Linux. So it wasn't a perfect solution. I simply left the cd/dvd burner in the system. Rarely did I need to use a floppy anyway. If someone needed a file I simply put it on a network folder or emailed it to them.
;-)
Since I was running on an IBM Thinkpad I wasn't going to be installing new hardware very often
For a non-laptop installation I had little trouble installing new hardware. Upon power up the Kudzu program would scan for new hardware. If I didn't install junk it usually worked just fine. Recenly for example I built a firewall for home using RedHat 9. I had to install a new 3com nic in the system. Kudzu automatically found the card and configured it for me. Was rather nice actually.
You do bring up a great point. Installing programs under linux isn't as nice as say Wintendo. You either do an rpm install, run config/make or apt-get. You can't click on an icon called setup.exe (or whatever) to run it. At least I don't think you can do that with rpm's. Haven't tried now that I think of it. Nautilus may know how to handle them. Still... you would have to be root for rpm installs. So not a perfect solution I admit. Then again, I recall Microsoft recently saying you don't need perfect code right
I did worse... I gave it to my wife and asked her to use it to get her email, browse the internet and write her letters on it.
:D
Oh, and the screen resolution is changed by how many every day people? Once it's set I seriously doubt you will see anyone trying to change it. And yes, I have asked people about something ilke this on the desktop.
If using RedHat select preferences then display settings. You can change your resolution there. Or select "Start Here" and select preferences. Same thing
Personally I don't see what the problem is. For the last two years I've been working at Hill AirForce Base in Utah and they have a Microsoft ADS network. My RedHat 9.0 laptop intergrated just fine in that environment.
:-)
I was able to get email from exchange, mount the home directory or any network server share and write/read files, access any of my Solaris/Linux servers I managed and so on. Oh, and I submitted my timesheets from OpenOffice 1.1.0. They were in excel format btw
Not ready for the desktop? 99.99999% of all users on the base did the above or less on their computer (unless they were solitare junkies then it was even less).
I have yet to hear a valid argument why Linux isn't ready for the desktop. Sure you can customize the hell outta it compared to Windows. Most people don't customize Windows beyond changing their background and screensaver. You can do that in Linux and be just as happy.
Exactly.
Sounds like something my Father told me years ago. Elections are where the people try to hire the guy who is the lesser crook.
They are all crooks. Trying to figure out who the lesser crook is the problem.
"As an avid Linux user who doesn't use any Microsoft products, allow me to play devil's advocate here: Is Microsoft a monopoly?
Since I'm sitting here typing this on my Linux machine, my response is no. "
So if Microsoft makes good on their threat to stop selling Windows are you saying it won't severely affect the world market? If it does then despite the alternatives we're talking about a company that has extreeme power and the will to use it to affect a market for it's own benefit.
This is what the monopoly laws are all about. Preventing the abuse of a market by a company.
A monopoly is still a monopoly regardless of this. Everyone pays off someone for something. Look at Microsoft and the 2004 Election. They paid how much for the Bush compaign?
Point is, they broke the law regardless. It's a felony no matter how you spin it.
While I like the idea wouldn't this lower the quality of person running for election?
:-)
I suddenly feel a great deal of fear
You can't just vote. You have to realize the truth... there are no chads ;-)
Agreed.
:-)
I have been using Linux on the Desktop for more than 5 years now. I'm not really sure wtf they are talking about. Everything 99% of people need is right there.
Email (yup), Internet Browser? (got that too), Office Suite? (Got 5 really good ones last count). So what is Linux missing? A big bill attached to it perhaps
You're having trouble playing dvds on linux? What distro are you running? Never mind... You can get everything you need in freshrpms.net and install it all in about 5 minutes.
Playing DVD's on linux couldn't be simpler. I like Xine through I'm warming up to mplayer lately.
I have already started looking at other distro's to replace redhat. If they don't have a free version available then I will be looking elsewhere. We've purchased AS and are always looking to learn how RedHat Linux could make our lives easier. Now that the free version is gone (Fedora? are you kidding me??) we'll be looking at Debian and slackware. Suse is already top of the list.
Perhaps. Hard to have any control over a birthday present. I'll make sure gift givers don't do that in the future.
:-)
You do realize that the DMCA came from the DeMoCrAts right
No kidding. I had a problem with my warcraft III cd for some reason. After dinking with it for a few minutes I went on the net and found a crack. I don't pirate but stuff like this is rediculous. Now at least I can play wcIII without fighting the cd.
I thought about calling tech support. Everyone knows how much I love (hate) talking on the phone. Also how much I love (hate) waiting forever on the phone. Maybe if they had a better support mechanism in place I would be happier about contacting them.
What truely amazes me is SCO's argument is something similar to the following.
;-)
Say I write sql/pl code for my oracle database. Now I sell that code/application whatever. Does this mean I am in violation since sql/pl is Oracle product? Or what if I use some other product. Write code then sell or give it away. Does that manufacturer claim IP rites over the product I created?
We could say the same thing with Microsoft. Oh wait.. they have violated IP from other companies. Bad example
This is the same as Micro$oft selling new and improved clean dirt. Yes it's dirt but it's clean dirt!
:D
What's wrong.. can't fix the code so they call it good? If Microsoft can't do it then someone else will. It's called competition
This is a good point. There are alot of people out of work because of this war on terroism. The money has to come from somewhere. So now I'm on unemployement as a result. Along with 30 other people from my group. They are down to 7 and about to let go another 5.
:-)
Rather than spending money in destruction perhaps we should look at building. Building not just NASA, the space program and these OSP's but perhaps bridges between us and others.
Not trolling (some people need to see this to understand I'm serious). There are times to fight and times to build. I'm not sure this is the time for fighting
Actually the first thing that came to mind was "we're doomed!"
Part of the reason I think they are doing this is Fedora. RedHat may be providing in the future distro's for poeple to download still. Then again perhaps Fedora will flop. I simply don't know. It's too soon to make any determination whether this is a good move or not.
:-)
Personally I am apprehensive and will be watching this very closely. I've used SUSE in the past and am looking at another linux distro for a backup (Debian). Just in case SUSE does dumb things
It was my understanding that Veritas partially wrote the NTFS filesystem for Micro$oft. I have heard this mentioned several times throughout the years. Curious if this isn't the case.
That's what bugs me about this whole thing. First they claim they own the world... then they claim they own a street.. then a building.. now a floor. I'm wondering if it was just leased from another (Novell) and they aren't sure about that either.
Pathetic little company. SCO deserves to be bought out but by Microsoft. Nobody else wants them.
Sorry if I sound a little angry about all this. But people have been lied to and that I can't abide. I'm anxious to sent a note to Darryl's Bishop and ask he be kicked outta the church (No.. I'm not kidding).
What I don't understand is how can they call this a "fix"?
Fix for what? Besides fixing their monopoly problems I don't see how this really fixed anything. Other than proving once again that Microsoft is nothing but a monopoly similar to the oil barons of back when. Only interested in locking people into their product.
If this was something done by any other monopoly they would be back in court again and this time real punishment would be handed out.
Sounds good to me...
:D
Can we vote on it now? Maybe a slashdot poll
It was my understanding the Supreme Court had ruled on this sort of thing years ago. They said if it's not encoded/encrypted then you can record it. It's available publicly and it's yours if you want it. This was ruling regarding VHS recorders.
Now we see the same thing with regards to PVR's. I'm curious what the Supreme Court will say if your rights to record are infringed upon. The only way they could make this work is to encode the broadcast.
Anyone have thoughts on this? I'll be paying close attention as the FTC proceeds. I'm a big time supporter of freevo and would be upset to see it go away.
I was in the solaris camp for many years telling everyone how cpu power isn't everything. Well.. it helps. So does design of the system and so on. Sparc III's are nice and I'm looking forward to the Sparc IV's.
Here is an experience that changed my POV. I was installing Oracle 8 on a Dell p2650 running RedHat 7.3. From begin install to Database is mounted and available took about 10 minutes. The same installation on any sunfire took around 40 minutes or longer!
Naturally people thought I was kidding or did something wrong. After several tests it was concluded that the Sun boxes just couldn't muster the hoursepower to compete with these Dell systems. Eventually we started purchasing more and more of these boxes (all duals).
Migrating data with the Sun boxes can take us a few weeks at best. We did the same thing on these new systems. A week. 5 days and we were done.
As much as I love Sun and Solaris I simply don't see them in business in a few years because they were simply unwilling to change. That kind of thinking nearly killed IBM.
And when this is all over... 1 in 7 will be suing SCO for falsely claiming IP and threatening lawsuits... I promise :D