True. How much you want to bet that SCO is already writing a response to this paper. Perhaps they even have a lawsuit against ODSL brewing. Why not. First IBM then Linux, BSD, Novell, complains against SGI (and the list continues to grow).
This morning I was watching Babylon 5 Season 3 Episode 5 "Voices of Authority". I've said it before and I'll say it again. This episode is frightening. After watching it and reading this junk I wonder how far we've fallen. The ideals behind this country have been attacked time and time again.
In B5 Sheridan has a political officer who calls people's loyalty into question if they say things that are not politically 'approved'. They redefined what poverty and homeless means thus eliminating the problem itself. Embarrasing our leaders is becoming a crime. All this from Episode 3. And reading what in RL our leaders are doing.
"What would happen if everyone sent the spam back to Yahoo!?"
Most likely you would end up in court for spamming them.
Some months ago on slashdot there was an article about antispammers signing up some spammer in chicago I believe. I've been reading up now and then on the case. Apparently he has sued the antispammers for all the junk mail he's getting in the mail box.
I've looked around and couldn't find how the systems were comprimised. I'm just curious how it was accomplished.
I'm a recent Debian user. Been running RedHat and SUSE for years. Now branching to *BSD and Debian. If there was something running that I should look at closing/patching/shutting down then I'd like to know. Anyone hear how they broke in?
I've read a few article on the register discussing how Senators from many states are keeping a close eye on this situation (Sorry.. didn't bookmark the links). Hopefully they will realize sooner than later the tactics are counter productive. Innocent people are being attacked by the **AA. This insanity needs to be stopped.
If the **AA isn't careful, they might find themselves with the same business model SCO is using currently.
It's way to easy for someone to spoof an IP address. Make it look like someone else is using P2P software. You're two links are perfect examples of how the innocent are being falsely accused.
I'm still waiting for a Senators child to be accused of file sharing. The **AA will make a mistake and their scheme will crumble.
"I am seeing a situation where ATT would require licensing for every credit-card accepter on the Internet. That's not so fun."
That's a scary thought. Sounds alot like what SCO is doing (I know but I had to say it). IANAL however I have spent some free time reading through the laws regarding this sorta junk. I'm getting the impression that suing a 'user' of a product for use of a product isn't legal.
For example, if I read the New York Times and come across material I have no right to read am I liable? From what I've gathered it's not my fault nor my problem. The New York Times will be liable for their product not me the consumer.
On topic now... most of these patents look rather vague. I've looked over a couple of them already and it's about as undefined as you can get. What is the patent office doing? Accepting money and issuing a patent without looking at what they did?
You're right. In addition consider these other sources of piracy which are just as easy to obtain pirated files. BTW, I'm not arguing with you, I'm agreeing with you. Simply wanted to point out what many people don't realize (at least the ones I've spoken with)...
- Irc is a major source of online piracy
- FTP is a major source of online piracy
- Windows shares is a major source of online piracy
- Yahoo user folders is a major source of online piracy
- Pirate Web sites is a major source of online piracy
ok.. everyone get's the point. We have had these alternative methods available for years. P2P is the latest method and quite honestly, it can be used as you said for other uses. All which are legitimate.
It's like fire.. not good, not bad. Depending how it's used determines if it's good OR bad.
BSD now. It was my understanding after reading through the history of BSD that the legal wrestling has been worked out years ago.
Interesting they are challenging the ruling. The last part in newsforge pretty much explained it all.
"Since they cannot show infringement of SCO Unix code, SCO now plans to challenge the 9-year-old settlement between AT&T and BSD. If it can successfully do that, then its claims that Linux contains tainted code can be substantiated. If it can't, SCO is dead meat."
Dead meat is right. I for one look forward to seeing SCO crushed into the dirt and just plain gone.
Apparently you haven't spent much time reading this sort of stuff before my post. I'm not particularly inclined to help you find the reports due to lack of interest. Read the SEC filings if you care to look them up.
Aside from Windows and MS Office, this is simply another hole for Microsoft to pour money into. No other products/services are making money for the company. Everything else is running in the red.
Like you said. Why use a search engine that is spinned to Microsoft affiliates? People want the best solution for the job especially these days. Not whatever comes out of Redmond.
Slowly it's happening... we're becoming liberated from the collective.
I understand where you are coming from. The discovery orders in the courts shouldn't be refused by SCO despite their bs NDA. I've read what the NDA has. Basically it protects SCO and screws everyone else. And discovery orders being blocked are a refusal IMO.
If they are going to court then everyone needs to understand that the laws do not allow SCO to keep asking us to 'trust them'. I trust SCO as much as I trust any politician.
I'm stunned this is still going on. SCO must be insane to think they can go to court with no evidence. Blocking discovery at every opportunity. Amazing.
I can see it now
Judge: So where is your evidence that IP has been violated?
SCO: Your Honor. We cannot disclose this information otherwise everyone would know.
Judge: How can we determine if IP has been violated without any evidence?
SCO: Trust us your Honor.
I give it two minutes in court before it's thrown out.
If you could go to jail for what your child is doing then why is it not your responsibility?
What if the kid is in a chat room talking to some 7 year old. Basically an age group that the courts would take a dim view of someone having relations with. Doesn't that put you in the hot seat?
So long as I pay the bills I have expectations of my children. When they are paying the bills I still have those expectations but then it's their butt in the hot seat for making bad decisions not mine. Hopefully by then I would have taught them well enough to be responsible.
"This begs the question: Is it better for security researchers to avoid publicly criticizing e-voting flaws? Is public faith in the system more important than overall system security?"
This alone should be sufficient to overturn the DMCA and other laws of this nature. Basically forcing people to keep silent rather than voice concerns over issues we are facing. Reminds me of a Babylon 5 episode where Sheridan was appointed a political officer. She made a couple comments which are frightening.
"Of course we have problems back on earth, but that's no reason to embarrass our leaders".
then there was
Sheridan: When did all these problems with poverty, unemployment... go away?
PO: When we rewrote the dictionary.
Sounds familiar doesn't it. Ignoring the problem makes it go away. We've reached a new low level if this is true:/
This is an argument like I expect from SCO's lawyers. Next thing he'll say that SCO is infringing on his IP and he owns Halleys Comet.
How about demonstrating your vast knowledge rather than submitting opinion? I for one would be VERY interested in why Webster is wrong and you are right.
The fact that you put the words "Stealing" and "Copyrighted" in the same sentence demonstrates you have no idea what you are talking about.
Have you actually taken a moment to read the copyright laws? Or did you ask for someone to explain it to you?
Stealing or theft of property is an actual removal of property that doesn't belong to you (yes.. I simplified it for him). Copyright infringement is the distribution of material you have no legal right to distribute. And in most cases carries a heavier penalty than theft.
I'm sure there are others just a good. Personally I plan on recording from TV to my computer then burning those movies to DVD. Sure go ahead. Broadcast flag all you want.
If it can go on a cable TV then I can grab it and burn baby burn. The supreme court already decided years ago that if it's not encrypted then I can record it. The broadcast flag doesn't qualify under their ruling as encryption.
"All copy-protections can be hacked, but if (we) give people what they are asking for in terms of value, they won't go out and steal it. It's called trusting the consumer."
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Trusting the consumer and copy-protection in the same sentence. Does anyone else see a problem here? It's like saying Military Intelligence:-)
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True. How much you want to bet that SCO is already writing a response to this paper. Perhaps they even have a lawsuit against ODSL brewing. Why not. First IBM then Linux, BSD, Novell, complains against SGI (and the list continues to grow).
Is there anyone SCO hasn't pissed off yet?
This morning I was watching Babylon 5 Season 3 Episode 5 "Voices of Authority". I've said it before and I'll say it again. This episode is frightening. After watching it and reading this junk I wonder how far we've fallen. The ideals behind this country have been attacked time and time again.
In B5 Sheridan has a political officer who calls people's loyalty into question if they say things that are not politically 'approved'. They redefined what poverty and homeless means thus eliminating the problem itself. Embarrasing our leaders is becoming a crime. All this from Episode 3. And reading what in RL our leaders are doing.
Sounds freaky doesn't it.
You're right. In nearly every article about spammers mentioned this. Here is what I was referring to
And this one also
And finally this one
Basically they were receiving junk mail filling their box. That last article is what I belive you would be interested in. Especially this part:
"Ralsky is indeed annoyed. He says he's asked Bloomfield Hills attorney Robert Harrison to sue the anti-spammers."
Can't take their own medicine. Pity.
"What would happen if everyone sent the spam back to Yahoo!?"
Most likely you would end up in court for spamming them.
Some months ago on slashdot there was an article about antispammers signing up some spammer in chicago I believe. I've been reading up now and then on the case. Apparently he has sued the antispammers for all the junk mail he's getting in the mail box.
Amazing. He doesn't like it either. Go figure.
I've looked around and couldn't find how the systems were comprimised. I'm just curious how it was accomplished.
I'm a recent Debian user. Been running RedHat and SUSE for years. Now branching to *BSD and Debian. If there was something running that I should look at closing/patching/shutting down then I'd like to know. Anyone hear how they broke in?
I've read a few article on the register discussing how Senators from many states are keeping a close eye on this situation (Sorry.. didn't bookmark the links). Hopefully they will realize sooner than later the tactics are counter productive. Innocent people are being attacked by the **AA. This insanity needs to be stopped.
If the **AA isn't careful, they might find themselves with the same business model SCO is using currently.
It's way to easy for someone to spoof an IP address. Make it look like someone else is using P2P software. You're two links are perfect examples of how the innocent are being falsely accused.
I'm still waiting for a Senators child to be accused of file sharing. The **AA will make a mistake and their scheme will crumble.
"I am seeing a situation where ATT would require licensing for every credit-card accepter on the Internet. That's not so fun."
That's a scary thought. Sounds alot like what SCO is doing (I know but I had to say it). IANAL however I have spent some free time reading through the laws regarding this sorta junk. I'm getting the impression that suing a 'user' of a product for use of a product isn't legal.
For example, if I read the New York Times and come across material I have no right to read am I liable? From what I've gathered it's not my fault nor my problem. The New York Times will be liable for their product not me the consumer.
On topic now... most of these patents look rather vague. I've looked over a couple of them already and it's about as undefined as you can get. What is the patent office doing? Accepting money and issuing a patent without looking at what they did?
Probably for obstruction of justice.
Is this an example of SCOicide?
You're right. In addition consider these other sources of piracy which are just as easy to obtain pirated files. BTW, I'm not arguing with you, I'm agreeing with you. Simply wanted to point out what many people don't realize (at least the ones I've spoken with)...
- Irc is a major source of online piracy
- FTP is a major source of online piracy
- Windows shares is a major source of online piracy
- Yahoo user folders is a major source of online piracy
- Pirate Web sites is a major source of online piracy
ok.. everyone get's the point. We have had these alternative methods available for years. P2P is the latest method and quite honestly, it can be used as you said for other uses. All which are legitimate.
It's like fire.. not good, not bad. Depending how it's used determines if it's good OR bad.
Just a thought.
BSD now. It was my understanding after reading through the history of BSD that the legal wrestling has been worked out years ago.
Interesting they are challenging the ruling. The last part in newsforge pretty much explained it all.
"Since they cannot show infringement of SCO Unix code, SCO now plans to challenge the 9-year-old settlement between AT&T and BSD. If it can successfully do that, then its claims that Linux contains tainted code can be substantiated. If it can't, SCO is dead meat."
Dead meat is right. I for one look forward to seeing SCO crushed into the dirt and just plain gone.
Normally I don't respond back to trolls but...
Apparently you haven't spent much time reading this sort of stuff before my post. I'm not particularly inclined to help you find the reports due to lack of interest. Read the SEC filings if you care to look them up.
Aside from Windows and MS Office, this is simply another hole for Microsoft to pour money into. No other products/services are making money for the company. Everything else is running in the red.
Like you said. Why use a search engine that is spinned to Microsoft affiliates? People want the best solution for the job especially these days. Not whatever comes out of Redmond.
Slowly it's happening... we're becoming liberated from the collective.
Read it here
:D
Unbelievable. Nobody probably threatened them. They simply ran outta lies to tell and had a press deadline
I understand where you are coming from. The discovery orders in the courts shouldn't be refused by SCO despite their bs NDA. I've read what the NDA has. Basically it protects SCO and screws everyone else. And discovery orders being blocked are a refusal IMO.
If they are going to court then everyone needs to understand that the laws do not allow SCO to keep asking us to 'trust them'. I trust SCO as much as I trust any politician.
I'm stunned this is still going on. SCO must be insane to think they can go to court with no evidence. Blocking discovery at every opportunity. Amazing.
I can see it now
Judge: So where is your evidence that IP has been violated?
SCO: Your Honor. We cannot disclose this information otherwise everyone would know.
Judge: How can we determine if IP has been violated without any evidence?
SCO: Trust us your Honor.
I give it two minutes in court before it's thrown out.
So now there is proof they are using the data for a business use. Doesn't this mean the lawsuits can become null and void as a result?
Basically this shows the courts the suits are unreasonable since they are using this information to forward their business. P2P is good for business!
No really. Think about it.
I haven't seen it (yet) but doesn't Neo die in the movie :D
:D
Which is Neo again?
If you could go to jail for what your child is doing then why is it not your responsibility?
What if the kid is in a chat room talking to some 7 year old. Basically an age group that the courts would take a dim view of someone having relations with. Doesn't that put you in the hot seat?
So long as I pay the bills I have expectations of my children. When they are paying the bills I still have those expectations but then it's their butt in the hot seat for making bad decisions not mine. Hopefully by then I would have taught them well enough to be responsible.
"This begs the question: Is it better for security researchers to avoid publicly criticizing e-voting flaws? Is public faith in the system more important than overall system security?"
:/
This alone should be sufficient to overturn the DMCA and other laws of this nature. Basically forcing people to keep silent rather than voice concerns over issues we are facing. Reminds me of a Babylon 5 episode where Sheridan was appointed a political officer. She made a couple comments which are frightening.
"Of course we have problems back on earth, but that's no reason to embarrass our leaders".
then there was
Sheridan: When did all these problems with poverty, unemployment... go away?
PO: When we rewrote the dictionary.
Sounds familiar doesn't it. Ignoring the problem makes it go away. We've reached a new low level if this is true
Sad...
This is an argument like I expect from SCO's lawyers. Next thing he'll say that SCO is infringing on his IP and he owns Halleys Comet.
How about demonstrating your vast knowledge rather than submitting opinion? I for one would be VERY interested in why Webster is wrong and you are right.
hehehe... Thank God I'm not a lawyer.
The only thing they have worth anything is the dollar. Besides that.. they are worthless IMO
The fact that you put the words "Stealing" and "Copyrighted" in the same sentence demonstrates you have no idea what you are talking about.
Have you actually taken a moment to read the copyright laws? Or did you ask for someone to explain it to you?
Stealing or theft of property is an actual removal of property that doesn't belong to you (yes.. I simplified it for him). Copyright infringement is the distribution of material you have no legal right to distribute. And in most cases carries a heavier penalty than theft.
Did I get it right?
I'm sure there are others just a good. Personally I plan on recording from TV to my computer then burning those movies to DVD. Sure go ahead. Broadcast flag all you want.
If it can go on a cable TV then I can grab it and burn baby burn. The supreme court already decided years ago that if it's not encrypted then I can record it. The broadcast flag doesn't qualify under their ruling as encryption.
Fortunately in the words of Microsoft... we don't need perfect code.
Are they retracting that now?
"All copy-protections can be hacked, but if (we) give people what they are asking for in terms of value, they won't go out and steal it. It's called trusting the consumer."
:-)
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Trusting the consumer and copy-protection in the same sentence. Does anyone else see a problem here? It's like saying Military Intelligence