1. Kewl I Kan't Wait! 2. Kough Kough Ahem this kough is killing me 3. Stop spelling everying with K's you douche bags 4. What's that green thing in the background? 5. Imagine a beowulf cluster of Chris Schlaegers. 6. Does it run on Linux? 7. Does SUSE run on Linux? 8. Does Chris Schlaeger run on Linux? 9. Is Chris Schlaeger running a beowulf cluster of GNU/Linux boxes in Soviet Russia?
Try running XUL pages in IE. Doesn't work. There might be some plugin somewhere, but hell, there'll undoubtedly be a XAML plugin for Mozilla FireFox eventually.
Python may very well run faster on Parrot. However, your thinking that the CLR is not designed for dynamic languages is incorrect. Take this quote from Jim Hugunin:
It was a little less than a year ago that I first started investigating the Common Language Runtime (CLR). My plan was to do a little work and then write a short pithy article called, "Why.NET is a terrible platform for dynamic languages". My plans changed when I found the CLR to be an excellent target for the highly dynamic Python language. Since then I've spent much of my spare time working on the development of IronPython.
The more time that I spent with the CLR, the more excited I became about its potential. At the same time, I was becoming more frustrated with the slow pace of progress that I was able to make working on this project in my spare time. After exploring many alternatives, I think that I've found the ideal way to continue working to realize the amazing potential of the vision of the CLR. I've decided to join the CLR team at Microsoft beginning on August 2.
At Microsoft I plan to continue the work that I've begun with IronPython to bring the power and simplicity of dynamic/scripting languages to the CLR. My work with Python should continue as a working example of a high-performance production quality implementation of a dynamic language for the CLR. I will also reach out to other languages to help overcome any hurdles that are preventing them from targeting the CLR effectively. I welcome any and all feedback about how to best accomplish this. You can reach me at jim@ironpython.com.
Lesson to be learned, if you think something from MS sucks, only to find out it doesn't, you might just get hired.;-)
As a footnote, I know the Mono guys have done a Cocoa# bindings for the PowerPC.
Sidenote #2, IronPython, which runs on Mono, has been shown to perform better (on average, 1.7x better) under most performance tests than standard Python v2.3. (this is not a troll or flame-incitation, just a FYI). See IronPython.com, or this paper from PyCon 2004.
1. Why not use Java?
2. Does it run on Linux?
3. Imagine a beowulf cluster of these!
4. Keep up the good work Miguel!
5. Miguel you are a tool!
6. Why not use Java!
A lot of people at Microsoft are changing their thinking regarding OSS. For example, Josh Ledgard, MS's "community evangelist", is a supporter of OSS and was key in brining WiX to SourceForge.
Someone once said about MS's business practices (so no cracks about software bugs please), they make mistakes like any other company, but they'll only make them once. If they discover OSS can help them and benefit them, which it certainly could IMO, they will change their ways no matter how much about-facing they have to do.
Yet, all the new internet laws seem to be popping up in California. That place is the land of the batshit crazy freaks.
Conservatives have been saying that for years. Now that a Republican is governor (albeit an economic leftist), liberals are finally beginning to agree.
Go to ask.com and search for "oscar best picture 1997" or similar. You get a nice banner saying "The 1997 Best Picture award was given to "Titanic"
Looks like they're doing a little text recognition there in addition to standard searching.
Slashdot is giving early previews of stories to paying customers. Those of us who aren't lucky enough to have such a relationship with Slashdot may find ourselves at greater risk of missing the story than premium customers as a result."
"Earlier today, Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer commented that the OSS community doesn't like software patents. Slashdot countered with the statement that Microsoft didn't like the Eolas patent."
Wowzers! Two foreknown facts that nobody disputes. Hooray for slow news days.
Most of Microsoft's patent portfolio exists solely to protect MS from the lawsuits of other companies.
Now, if MS licenses this and plays nice (and yes, MS can play nice if it benefits them to do so, i.e. making money by licensing the use of their codecs), we won't have any problems and this isn't necessarily a bad thing. IMO, only if MS keeps it closed, secret and has no licensing options will this hurt OSS.
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1. Kewl I Kan't Wait!
2. Kough Kough Ahem this kough is killing me
3. Stop spelling everying with K's you douche bags
4. What's that green thing in the background?
5. Imagine a beowulf cluster of Chris Schlaegers.
6. Does it run on Linux?
7. Does SUSE run on Linux?
8. Does Chris Schlaeger run on Linux?
9. Is Chris Schlaeger running a beowulf cluster of GNU/Linux boxes in Soviet Russia?
which eventually leads to...
10. Profit!
You guys do know this is a hoax, right?
No matter how good XAMLon is, I (and likely other /.'ers) are much less likely to even *look* at the web site/article now... /. effect or not.
Slashdotters won't look at the site, especially since it's slashdotted. I've got a conundrum for ya Trebek!
Try running XUL pages in IE. Doesn't work. There might be some plugin somewhere, but hell, there'll undoubtedly be a XAML plugin for Mozilla FireFox eventually.
According to MSDN, it's pronounced "Zamel"
Make 7Up Yours.
The same is true for C#, using the platform invoke mechanism, it's even simpler.
Python may very well run faster on Parrot. However, your thinking that the CLR is not designed for dynamic languages is incorrect. Take this quote from Jim Hugunin:
.NET is a terrible platform for dynamic languages". My plans changed when I found the CLR to be an excellent target for the highly dynamic Python language. Since then I've spent much of my spare time working on the development of IronPython.
;-)
It was a little less than a year ago that I first started investigating the Common Language Runtime (CLR). My plan was to do a little work and then write a short pithy article called, "Why
The more time that I spent with the CLR, the more excited I became about its potential. At the same time, I was becoming more frustrated with the slow pace of progress that I was able to make working on this project in my spare time. After exploring many alternatives, I think that I've found the ideal way to continue working to realize the amazing potential of the vision of the CLR. I've decided to join the CLR team at Microsoft beginning on August 2.
At Microsoft I plan to continue the work that I've begun with IronPython to bring the power and simplicity of dynamic/scripting languages to the CLR. My work with Python should continue as a working example of a high-performance production quality implementation of a dynamic language for the CLR. I will also reach out to other languages to help overcome any hurdles that are preventing them from targeting the CLR effectively. I welcome any and all feedback about how to best accomplish this. You can reach me at jim@ironpython.com.
Lesson to be learned, if you think something from MS sucks, only to find out it doesn't, you might just get hired.
They really don't amount to much in the real world, where the platform lock-in and enormous bloat that dotnet entails spell doom.
ACCKKKKKK! I see the writing on the wall!!!! It's spells D-O-O-M!!!! Run for the hills and repent of your sins!
Must...resist...urge...to...bite.... argghhh Mono Basic, their implementation of VB.NET, can be found here.
Not quite. A better comparison,
.NET is Microsoft's implementation of this standard.
Mono is Novell's implementation of this standard.
On the other hand,
Same standard, 2 different implementations of the standard.
As a footnote, I know the Mono guys have done a Cocoa# bindings for the PowerPC.
Sidenote #2, IronPython, which runs on Mono, has been shown to perform better (on average, 1.7x better) under most performance tests than standard Python v2.3. (this is not a troll or flame-incitation, just a FYI). See IronPython.com, or this paper from PyCon 2004.
1. Why not use Java? 2. Does it run on Linux? 3. Imagine a beowulf cluster of these! 4. Keep up the good work Miguel! 5. Miguel you are a tool! 6. Why not use Java!
A lot of people at Microsoft are changing their thinking regarding OSS. For example, Josh Ledgard, MS's "community evangelist", is a supporter of OSS and was key in brining WiX to SourceForge.
Someone once said about MS's business practices (so no cracks about software bugs please), they make mistakes like any other company, but they'll only make them once. If they discover OSS can help them and benefit them, which it certainly could IMO, they will change their ways no matter how much about-facing they have to do.
Yet, all the new internet laws seem to be popping up in California. That place is the land of the batshit crazy freaks.
Conservatives have been saying that for years. Now that a Republican is governor (albeit an economic leftist), liberals are finally beginning to agree.
Go to ask.com and search for "oscar best picture 1997" or similar. You get a nice banner saying "The 1997 Best Picture award was given to "Titanic" Looks like they're doing a little text recognition there in addition to standard searching.
Slashdot is giving early previews of stories to paying customers. Those of us who aren't lucky enough to have such a relationship with Slashdot may find ourselves at greater risk of missing the story than premium customers as a result."
"Earlier today, Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer commented that the OSS community doesn't like software patents. Slashdot countered with the statement that Microsoft didn't like the Eolas patent."
Wowzers! Two foreknown facts that nobody disputes. Hooray for slow news days.
Most of Microsoft's patent portfolio exists solely to protect MS from the lawsuits of other companies.
Now, if MS licenses this and plays nice (and yes, MS can play nice if it benefits them to do so, i.e. making money by licensing the use of their codecs), we won't have any problems and this isn't necessarily a bad thing. IMO, only if MS keeps it closed, secret and has no licensing options will this hurt OSS.
95% of all Slashdotters have reserved a copy of Virtual Girlfriend. The other 5% are holding out for the porn expansion pack coming 2005.
I have that sound alerting me when my Soviet Russian Beowulf cluster empties you.
The new Slashdot color scheme is an improvement.
Slashdotters do RTFA.
Unless of course you run a company, and have employees to pay. In that case, you can't always make a living off of service and support.
Now all we need is a fiber optic majority.