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The browser should stay put in time now... getting them to do much more is too painful in terms of the legacy and web model. Like Flash, the new thing should be thin, downloadable apps that run in secure environments (.Net, Java).
Its time to move on. Browsers are for browsing... duh.
You know, much as I like Knoppix, what I really need is a Windows XP boot CD. Not PE... I need the whole OS to do quick testing and bring-to-a-friends.
I agree completely... I would even say that Linux is feared more expensive for its expensive conversion cost. Windows patches are just not painful enough, and its getting less anyway. Meanwhile the Apache sec fix list is causing grief for i-net facing servers.
I read this interview, and really expected to be on the Linux side of things. I can't. I feel that you enthusiasts will go to any length to prove you should get what you deserve; equal say, market share, consideration from organizations like the MPAA, etc. etc. You showed someone as unfamiliar with you as one can get and expected to have a good ol' show-him-how-it-should be, comfortable, power-to-the-people argument. I don't think JV cared... reality bites, folks. Keep Linux as your hobby and server OS where you can, beleiving you are better off, but give up trying to change the world.
This sounds dumb, but I find you can worry yourself to death about this. My latest theory - only keep the original media, and don't worry about it. If you use it, you will keep it on current media (LP to tape, then disc for music, diskette to HD for code) through natural usage. Or, others will (radio stations, collectors, servers, P2P, FTP sites, URL's, i-net archive sites). If you don't use it, and nobody else does, who cares? Mourn its loss and attempt to recreate or move on.
This is not new. The.Net framework free d/l includes V# and VB command line compilers. In fact, I think that Visual Studio uses those under the covers. If you need SQL, you can use free MSDE... yes restrictions, but 2GB db is enough for some work.
Nice thread... lots of good thoughts on the many issues. For me, it is driving me nuts... each device in succession does MOST of what the past one did, but not enough to convert totally. So devices are accumulating. Cost is a factor, therefore, but just pain in the butt-ness. Basically, I try everything but so far have only kept the plain radio/TV, VCR, DVD (movies only), cable, and a plain PC... and abandoned gaming because a) too repetitive within and across games and b) too much time investment. I abandoned pager, cell, palm, pocketpc, entertainment PC, pvr, DVD writing, CD burning except for backup, mp3 player, digital camera, wireless, BlackBerry, others that I forgot.
So sorry you can't twist your XBox into a cheapo PC, but you were never told you could. As an appliance, I expect it to work and not be hackable. I let cable and phone do what they need to do.
The thing about Notepad for me is its there no matter what machine I am on. Only way to come close is an "install-less" editor that I could call up from my machine via a file share. All the mentioned ones have some sort of fancy install.
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The browser should stay put in time now ... getting them to do much more is too painful in terms of the legacy and web model. Like Flash, the new thing should be thin, downloadable apps that run in secure environments (.Net, Java).
Its time to move on. Browsers are for browsing ... duh.
I think it is a message to corporations; slow to upgrade, fearful of lack of support because of it. This solidifies that.
You know, much as I like Knoppix, what I really need is a Windows XP boot CD. Not PE ... I need the whole OS to do quick testing and bring-to-a-friends.
I agree completely ... I would even say that Linux is feared more expensive for its expensive conversion cost. Windows patches are just not painful enough, and its getting less anyway. Meanwhile the Apache sec fix list is causing grief for i-net facing servers.
I read this interview, and really expected to be on the Linux side of things. I can't. I feel that you enthusiasts will go to any length to prove you should get what you deserve; equal say, market share, consideration from organizations like the MPAA, etc. etc. You showed someone as unfamiliar with you as one can get and expected to have a good ol' show-him-how-it-should be, comfortable, power-to-the-people argument. I don't think JV cared ... reality bites, folks. Keep Linux as your hobby and server OS where you can, beleiving you are better off, but give up trying to change the world.
This sounds dumb, but I find you can worry yourself to death about this. My latest theory - only keep the original media, and don't worry about it. If you use it, you will keep it on current media (LP to tape, then disc for music, diskette to HD for code) through natural usage. Or, others will (radio stations, collectors, servers, P2P, FTP sites, URL's, i-net archive sites). If you don't use it, and nobody else does, who cares? Mourn its loss and attempt to recreate or move on.
This is not new. The .Net framework free d/l includes V# and VB command line compilers. In fact, I think that Visual Studio uses those under the covers. If you need SQL, you can use free MSDE ... yes restrictions, but 2GB db is enough for some work.
Nice thread ... lots of good thoughts on the many issues. For me, it is driving me nuts ... each device in succession does MOST of what the past one did, but not enough to convert totally. So devices are accumulating. Cost is a factor, therefore, but just pain in the butt-ness. Basically, I try everything but so far have only kept the plain radio/TV, VCR, DVD (movies only), cable, and a plain PC ... and abandoned gaming because a) too repetitive within and across games and b) too much time investment. I abandoned pager, cell, palm, pocketpc, entertainment PC, pvr, DVD writing, CD burning except for backup, mp3 player, digital camera, wireless, BlackBerry, others that I forgot.
Sheesh ... first, I now believe in the JFK-single-bullet-theory, now this. And, you can't see the wall of China from space, either!
So sorry you can't twist your XBox into a cheapo PC, but you were never told you could. As an appliance, I expect it to work and not be hackable. I let cable and phone do what they need to do.
Wow ... refreshing to see not just the usual anti-MS stuff. I have new enthusiasm for reading /.. Seriously.
So much for appliances ... plug 'em in and leave 'em? NOT!
Tripping off soapbox now ...
Why not add PIM capability to GBA? Or GBC? I tried to find such thinking but no Google-luck. PIM's are stupid-expensive.
The thing about Notepad for me is its there no matter what machine I am on. Only way to come close is an "install-less" editor that I could call up from my machine via a file share. All the mentioned ones have some sort of fancy install.