If there is a court order against them, and they violate it, then yes, that could be contempt. However, if an allegation has been adjudicated, and the company found guilty, then the matter is concluded, and new charges would need to be filed. There is a difference between violating a court's order and violating a law.
Also, just because the parties have settled a civil matter doesn't mean that the DOJ cannot use evidence from the civil matter to construct a criminal contempt case. The DOJ doesn't have to wait to see if a party is found to be at fault before filing their own charges, and they can subpoena the evidence whether or not it was used in open court.
Further, just because the parties are subject to a gag order doesn't mean that the DOJ can't act on something it reads in the newspaper. Maybe AG Ashcroft reads Slashdot?:-)
Does it help clear up the muddle to recall that their is a difference between "recycling" and "reusing"?
6 deadbolt theory at work?
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I don't know. I understand that the author is going for privacy at the expense of security, but this seems like the same logic employed by the person I heard about who had 6 deadbolts installed on their door and randomly locked only 3 of them--he figured a burglar would try to turn the bolt in all 6, thereby leaving several locked at any one time. His legal trouble is just going to smash the window and climb in.
I think all Joel is doing is setting himself up for the high-tech equivalent of a attractive nuisance suit.
The Bismarck was named for Otto Von Bismarck, was it not? As a name and not a noun, I believe it would take the gender after the person, who was male. It all gets confusing, since this is not a problem we have in English: we just use "the" for every word, no gender--although we can confuse the issue further by noting that we still call ships "she" in English, even when they are named after men.
BTW, while boats may typically be referred to as female, the word for boat in German--das Boot--is neutral. Also, my German mother tells me that a bismarck was also a kind of fish (which makes it all the more appropriate for a boat's name!).
What is it about SF-heads and Slashdotters that makes the group so damned exclusionary? It seems like every time an author is discussed here, and the article or a poster refers to that person as an SF author, a huge argument ensues over whether that person or a given work is "really" SF. Please.
When I first got into SF many decades ago, the two main attractions for me were cool conceptualizations of space stuff and described universes where diversity of species was honored and worked towards. Not all the captains of ships looked like Bill Shatner, and most crews were integrated in some fashion. Societies had moved on from the foolishness which embroiled us at the time, and people were trying to solve great problems.
I suppose it was naive of me, but I thought that the SF reader community would reflect those kinds of values and perspectives. Maybe not so naive: the gang of nerds and ex-hippies that hung out around the Recycle Bookstore, and talked about SF for hours, was like that.
I hate sounding like Rodney King, but can't we all just get along? I'm not intending to trash the parent poster; the isn't-SF thread appears is many other responses. I'm just asking this community: Do we have to expend energy arguing about whether authors are fit to claim The One True SF Path? Can't we appreciate those who stretch the genre, who bring in other knowledge and disciplines, who invite us to think in different ways and consider new perspectives?
Well, now we're getting O-T, but I hate to see incorrect information propagated... Look it up: that is not a new commandment from him; that is what he said was the greatest commandment, and then referencing a second, comparable commandment. Cf. Matthew 22:36-40 or Mark 12:28-31.
If one were to identify a "new" commandment of Jesus, it would be when he told the disciples to love one another even as he has loved them (John 13:34 and 15:12). This is the mandatum novum of Jesus, from whence comes the name "Maundy Thursday".
Just because you're talking about the Bible doesn't mean you don't get to follow the Slashdot mantra when you post to Slashdot: If you're gonna cite, get it right!
Since a tax would be very difficult to assess and collect, why not prosecute downstream and make responding to an illegal e-mail solicitation illegal? Then, when we finally catch up to a spammer, we subpoena their customer records and arrest the fools who sent them money. This may seem extreme, but it's exactly what we do with respect to prostitution. (And considering the nature of most spam, that seems an apt analogy!) No doubt many would consider that unfair, a restraint of trade, etc.--just like many feel that it should be their right to pay for sex if they feel like it--but it would be more effective than what we're doing about it now. Also, the law could look upstream, as well, and arrest those pimps who are outsourcing their spamming.
O. we dreamed of having a cubicle. We sat on gravel in the middle of the road and had to move every time a car came along. And every morning, our manager would beat us...
Look again. It's not Science the prestigious magazine. It's the science section of The Globe and Mail newspaper--a publication with a somewhat broader audience.
Well, you kind of had me agreeing, up until that last line. See, that's the just the parochial viewpoint that makes many members of the general public loathe us geekfolk. When much of the world is still on NS 4 and IE 4 and still (yes, heaven help us) on Win9x, saying 'screw them' just reinforces their stereotypical view of us, and engenders little good will. And telling customers they have to buy a new computer to use your web site seems like a bad business plan.
[Rant on] I, for one, am sick of websites that vomit whenever I go there from my Linux or Solaris box because some lazy-ass coder felt that not enough people use those as their primary box to make it worth his lazy while to do his job. Some of them, especially the ones done by the MS/IE chauvinists, I just refuse to patronize--even when I'm on my Win box. [Rant off]
Some people are still stuck on old equipment for a wide variety of reasons. Some don't have a choice because they're not the IT manager. Some still actually use 33K modems to connect. Some are blind, and use adaptive equipment that is only rated for a given platform. All taken together, all these minorities (who don't deserve to be discriminated against) amount to a very large proportion of the would-be users of many sites. How about we all cut them some slack?
Concern over security--both safety and information protection--has increased a great deal since 9/11. More and more of my friends are reporting that there companies have enacted similar policies.
For me, it's even more stringent. I have one office on and one office off of a military base. I have the usual array of geek tools that are connected to my PC or network, including a PDA. I have to leave all of those behind when I pass through the gates of the base: nothing capable of receiving or transmitting a signal (including the IR port on a PDA) or taking a picture is allowed, with very few exceptions--and for those exceptions, the equipment must be government owned or registered. There are even some parts of the base where I can't bring a floppy or notepad and expect to bring it out again.
Since my calendar is on my PDA, I never know when I can schedule a meeting. I send myself an e-mail with the proposed time and drive 15 minutes to my other office to read the e-mail and see if I'm available.
Life is like that now. You could have it much worse.
True; but the point is when something is first published, not when it was written. It is only when something is published that it can become known and influence our language. Your information is relevant to the history of the development of the idea (or of Heinlein's works).
Because the naming convention for politicians is that the use has to be ironical--hence the naming of our national airport after the president who fired all the air traffic controllers, Reagan. So why not name it after the president who killed the Apollo program?
Oh, that's right: we already have a planet named Uranus...
You were, of course, teasing--and fairly so. I just thought I'd mention that we've found it occasionally necessary to remember approximately when a server was purchased; and a handy way to do that is to use a finite set of names related to the number in purchase (or, at least, to only pick that number from the set).
So, for example, a set of 4 servers purchased at the same time, from the same source, in order to explore a new model of Suns were named after the first 4 American space explorers: ride, resnick, sullivan, and lucid.
And if you're scoring at home today, that citation came to you from the gnostic Gospel of Thomas.
And don't worry about the space aliens getting there first: our High Epopt, J.R. "Bob" Dobbs, is already in contact with the space bankers, as was foretold.
I spend time with a specialized "service provider"--a spiritual director, actually. She believes that one professional's time should be worth the same as another's, out of respect for each person's varying training and gifts. She doesn't charge more just so that she can be the "expert", but she doesn't charge less and give the impression that what she's doing is less important than what I do the rest of the day.
So her fee for services per hour is whatever it is that I'm making at the time. That makes it very equitable and respectful for people of varying means.
Just another way of thinking about what we should be charging for our professional time...
Well, draftees ran them in previous wars, so what's the difference? You could make the same argument about draftees turning the keys together in the missile silos or performing open heart surgery. It's just how it works.
Maybe the opposite argument is more compelling: do you really want a bunch of volunteers who all think this is a really good idea running your operations? Isn't that like have a team trainer who has money on the game evaluating whether a player's health and career are at risk by going back in? Jimmy Carter thought it dubious; and that's why he (probably the most anti-war president in decades) reinstituted draft registration
I'd rather have press-ganged specialists who are experts and bring a professional set of ethics than a bunch of gung-hos who got their jobs because of a bureaucratic assignment after basic.
No, it's not new. We've long done this sort of thing.
Also, when I lived in Boston, the commonwealth added an "underground income" tax. If you made money illegally, like by selling drugs or robbing a bank, Mass. expected you to declare that as income and pay taxes on it. To my knowledge, though, no one drove to New Hampshire to do drug deals just to avoid the tax...
I suppose the point is to help the headline reader distinguish between the passwd command (man 1) and the passwd library function (man 3), as well as the passwd file format, headers, etc. (man 4,5). I didn't find it confusing at all.
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If you take away the Caps Lock, won't crackers break in and steal all of my Caps?
If there is a court order against them, and they violate it, then yes, that could be contempt. However, if an allegation has been adjudicated, and the company found guilty, then the matter is concluded, and new charges would need to be filed. There is a difference between violating a court's order and violating a law.
:-)
Also, just because the parties have settled a civil matter doesn't mean that the DOJ cannot use evidence from the civil matter to construct a criminal contempt case. The DOJ doesn't have to wait to see if a party is found to be at fault before filing their own charges, and they can subpoena the evidence whether or not it was used in open court.
Further, just because the parties are subject to a gag order doesn't mean that the DOJ can't act on something it reads in the newspaper. Maybe AG Ashcroft reads Slashdot?
No can do. Agent K came back in the sequel and will need his flashy thing, so now there are none available.
Does it help clear up the muddle to recall that their is a difference between "recycling" and "reusing"?
I don't know. I understand that the author is going for privacy at the expense of security, but this seems like the same logic employed by the person I heard about who had 6 deadbolts installed on their door and randomly locked only 3 of them--he figured a burglar would try to turn the bolt in all 6, thereby leaving several locked at any one time. His legal trouble is just going to smash the window and climb in.
I think all Joel is doing is setting himself up for the high-tech equivalent of a attractive nuisance suit.
The Bismarck was named for Otto Von Bismarck, was it not? As a name and not a noun, I believe it would take the gender after the person, who was male. It all gets confusing, since this is not a problem we have in English: we just use "the" for every word, no gender--although we can confuse the issue further by noting that we still call ships "she" in English, even when they are named after men.
BTW, while boats may typically be referred to as female, the word for boat in German--das Boot--is neutral. Also, my German mother tells me that a bismarck was also a kind of fish (which makes it all the more appropriate for a boat's name!).
Perhaps, but at least Opportunity won't be spirited off to an undisclosed location.
What is it about SF-heads and Slashdotters that makes the group so damned exclusionary? It seems like every time an author is discussed here, and the article or a poster refers to that person as an SF author, a huge argument ensues over whether that person or a given work is "really" SF. Please.
When I first got into SF many decades ago, the two main attractions for me were cool conceptualizations of space stuff and described universes where diversity of species was honored and worked towards. Not all the captains of ships looked like Bill Shatner, and most crews were integrated in some fashion. Societies had moved on from the foolishness which embroiled us at the time, and people were trying to solve great problems.
I suppose it was naive of me, but I thought that the SF reader community would reflect those kinds of values and perspectives. Maybe not so naive: the gang of nerds and ex-hippies that hung out around the Recycle Bookstore, and talked about SF for hours, was like that.
I hate sounding like Rodney King, but can't we all just get along? I'm not intending to trash the parent poster; the isn't-SF thread appears is many other responses. I'm just asking this community: Do we have to expend energy arguing about whether authors are fit to claim The One True SF Path? Can't we appreciate those who stretch the genre, who bring in other knowledge and disciplines, who invite us to think in different ways and consider new perspectives?
That's my wistful, wishful thinking...
Well, now we're getting O-T, but I hate to see incorrect information propagated... Look it up: that is not a new commandment from him; that is what he said was the greatest commandment, and then referencing a second, comparable commandment. Cf. Matthew 22:36-40 or Mark 12:28-31.
If one were to identify a "new" commandment of Jesus, it would be when he told the disciples to love one another even as he has loved them (John 13:34 and 15:12). This is the mandatum novum of Jesus, from whence comes the name "Maundy Thursday".
Just because you're talking about the Bible doesn't mean you don't get to follow the Slashdot mantra when you post to Slashdot: If you're gonna cite, get it right!
Since a tax would be very difficult to assess and collect, why not prosecute downstream and make responding to an illegal e-mail solicitation illegal? Then, when we finally catch up to a spammer, we subpoena their customer records and arrest the fools who sent them money. This may seem extreme, but it's exactly what we do with respect to prostitution. (And considering the nature of most spam, that seems an apt analogy!) No doubt many would consider that unfair, a restraint of trade, etc.--just like many feel that it should be their right to pay for sex if they feel like it--but it would be more effective than what we're doing about it now. Also, the law could look upstream, as well, and arrest those pimps who are outsourcing their spamming.
O. we dreamed of having a cubicle. We sat on gravel in the middle of the road and had to move every time a car came along. And every morning, our manager would beat us...
Look again. It's not Science the prestigious magazine. It's the science section of The Globe and Mail newspaper--a publication with a somewhat broader audience.
Well, you kind of had me agreeing, up until that last line. See, that's the just the parochial viewpoint that makes many members of the general public loathe us geekfolk. When much of the world is still on NS 4 and IE 4 and still (yes, heaven help us) on Win9x, saying 'screw them' just reinforces their stereotypical view of us, and engenders little good will. And telling customers they have to buy a new computer to use your web site seems like a bad business plan.
[Rant on] I, for one, am sick of websites that vomit whenever I go there from my Linux or Solaris box because some lazy-ass coder felt that not enough people use those as their primary box to make it worth his lazy while to do his job. Some of them, especially the ones done by the MS/IE chauvinists, I just refuse to patronize--even when I'm on my Win box. [Rant off]
Some people are still stuck on old equipment for a wide variety of reasons. Some don't have a choice because they're not the IT manager. Some still actually use 33K modems to connect. Some are blind, and use adaptive equipment that is only rated for a given platform. All taken together, all these minorities (who don't deserve to be discriminated against) amount to a very large proportion of the would-be users of many sites. How about we all cut them some slack?
Concern over security--both safety and information protection--has increased a great deal since 9/11. More and more of my friends are reporting that there companies have enacted similar policies.
For me, it's even more stringent. I have one office on and one office off of a military base. I have the usual array of geek tools that are connected to my PC or network, including a PDA. I have to leave all of those behind when I pass through the gates of the base: nothing capable of receiving or transmitting a signal (including the IR port on a PDA) or taking a picture is allowed, with very few exceptions--and for those exceptions, the equipment must be government owned or registered. There are even some parts of the base where I can't bring a floppy or notepad and expect to bring it out again.
Since my calendar is on my PDA, I never know when I can schedule a meeting. I send myself an e-mail with the proposed time and drive 15 minutes to my other office to read the e-mail and see if I'm available.
Life is like that now. You could have it much worse.
True; but the point is when something is first published, not when it was written. It is only when something is published that it can become known and influence our language. Your information is relevant to the history of the development of the idea (or of Heinlein's works).
Because the naming convention for politicians is that the use has to be ironical--hence the naming of our national airport after the president who fired all the air traffic controllers, Reagan. So why not name it after the president who killed the Apollo program?
Oh, that's right: we already have a planet named Uranus...
You were, of course, teasing--and fairly so. I just thought I'd mention that we've found it occasionally necessary to remember approximately when a server was purchased; and a handy way to do that is to use a finite set of names related to the number in purchase (or, at least, to only pick that number from the set).
So, for example, a set of 4 servers purchased at the same time, from the same source, in order to explore a new model of Suns were named after the first 4 American space explorers: ride, resnick, sullivan, and lucid.
And if you're scoring at home today, that citation came to you from the gnostic Gospel of Thomas.
And don't worry about the space aliens getting there first: our High Epopt, J.R. "Bob" Dobbs, is already in contact with the space bankers, as was foretold.
I spend time with a specialized "service provider"--a spiritual director, actually. She believes that one professional's time should be worth the same as another's, out of respect for each person's varying training and gifts. She doesn't charge more just so that she can be the "expert", but she doesn't charge less and give the impression that what she's doing is less important than what I do the rest of the day.
So her fee for services per hour is whatever it is that I'm making at the time. That makes it very equitable and respectful for people of varying means.
Just another way of thinking about what we should be charging for our professional time...
Well, draftees ran them in previous wars, so what's the difference? You could make the same argument about draftees turning the keys together in the missile silos or performing open heart surgery. It's just how it works.
Maybe the opposite argument is more compelling: do you really want a bunch of volunteers who all think this is a really good idea running your operations? Isn't that like have a team trainer who has money on the game evaluating whether a player's health and career are at risk by going back in? Jimmy Carter thought it dubious; and that's why he (probably the most anti-war president in decades) reinstituted draft registration
I'd rather have press-ganged specialists who are experts and bring a professional set of ethics than a bunch of gung-hos who got their jobs because of a bureaucratic assignment after basic.
If ever there was a system begging to be hacked...
(Maybe we should repent and encouraging the DoD to use Microsoft!)
No, it's not new. We've long done this sort of thing.
Also, when I lived in Boston, the commonwealth added an "underground income" tax. If you made money illegally, like by selling drugs or robbing a bank, Mass. expected you to declare that as income and pay taxes on it. To my knowledge, though, no one drove to New Hampshire to do drug deals just to avoid the tax...
I suppose the point is to help the headline reader distinguish between the passwd command (man 1) and the passwd library function (man 3), as well as the passwd file format, headers, etc. (man 4,5). I didn't find it confusing at all.
I guess you could say this was its freeSWAN song...
When forced to run M$ Windows, real geeks use edlin--which is still available from your Windows cmd prompt, thank you very much.