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Emotional Bonding with Space Probes
bfwebster writes "Space.com has a story on the scientists and technicians working on the Mars rovers, Spirit and Oppotunity--and how they will react when the rovers finally break down, go silent, or otherwise die. Of course, humans becoming emotionally involved with hardware is high on the list of overused science fiction cliches (see I.14), and humans were naming (and anthropomorphizing) their cars long before they started doing it to their computers. Some argue that anthropomorphic design can ease end-user acceptance [PDF], with some interesting results among toys for children. On the other hand, when software manufacturers try to give our computers some 'personality', we tend to vehemently react against it--witness Microsoft's attempts with the much-loathed Bob and Clippy. And when our personal computers are aged or ailing or simply misbehaving, we usually are more than happy to put them out of our misery. So in the case of Spirit and Opportunity, the issue may be the large investment of time, money, and professional credibility in having two semi-autonomous rovers 100 million miles away function correctly. Best quote from the Space.com story: when Spirit, early into its mission, shut down for reasons then unknown, the Spirit mission manager happened to get a phone call from her husband. He asked her how her day had been, and she said, 'Well...I think I'm personally responsible for the loss of a $400 million national asset.' Doncha hate it when that happens?"
Emotional Bond.
On if the rovers are Boys or Girls.
Dont bond with it too much, or the second you turn your back, those bling bling spinner wheels on your new pimpin probe will be on some alien's next pimp my ride...
Love that commercial.
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I don't know about everyone else, but *I* hated Bob and Clippy because they were not useful and quite aggrivating. Other things that lend toward personalization however, such as personalized menus, I find quite useful.
They hate that.
Geeks have to bond to machines. Real humans don't want us and can't be reprogrammed to want us :-P
Table-ized A.I.
People didn't react badly to the anthropomorphizing, they reacted badly to the patronizing tone. Nobody would complain if they started Office 2K5 and were greated by The Librarian.
There are no trails. There are no trees out here.
We're talking about probe-bonding in the Cartman sense are we?
No Norm, those are your safety glasses; I'll wear my own thanks...
Give it up Markedroids, we don't need you!
i don't want anyone thinking we're robosexuals...
NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- Robotics designers are working with psychologists here at Vanderbilt University to improve human-machine interfaces by teaching robots to sense human emotions. Such "sensitive" robots would change the way they interact with humans based on an evaluation of a person's mood.
"We believe that many of our human-to-human communications are implicit -- that is, the more familiar we are with a person, the better we are at understanding them. We want to determine whether a robot can sense a person's mood and change the way it interacts with the human for more natural communications," said Vanderbilt assistant professor Nilanjan Sarkar.
"We don't want to give a robot emotions; we just want them to be sensitive to our emotions," added Craig Smith, Vanderbilt associate professor of psychology and human development.
Sarkar, an engineer, initiated the research project with Smith, a psychologist, with the insight that there is no universal method of detecting emotions in humans. This impressed Smith, who had independently noticed that years of research in psychology had failed to uncover the Rosetta stone of human emotions. The bottom line for both researchers was that people express the same emotions in different ways; thus, any "universal" method for detecting emotions with robots would be doomed.
"Psychologists have been trying to identify universal patterns of physiological response since the early 1900s, but without success. We believe that the lesson to be learned there is that there are no such universal patterns," said Smith.
Consequently, the team's research project has two parts: sensing the unique patterns of behavior that mark an individual person's emotions, and converting that information in real-time into actuator-style commands to the robot to facilitate communications between humans and machines.
"We have established the feasibility of the individual-specific approach that we are taking, and there is a good chance that we can succeed," said Smith.
Emotional data
The approach taken by the researchers was adopted from voice- and handwriting-recognition technologies: Information on baseline features is compiled for each person, and then the features that indicate each mental state are identified for that person. Armed with their personalized emotion-recognition system, the researchers hope to use diverse data steams from users to create a more intuitive interface.
In their prototype studies, sensors are worn by the person being monitored by the robot. For example, heart rate monitors would gauge the user's anxiety level, and the robotic responses would be adjusted accordingly. With the sensors in place on the subject, the researchers observe data streams for the subject in various situations, such as while the subject is playing a videogame.
By subjecting each person to the same anxiety-producing situations in the game, the researchers obtained electrocardiogram profiles for specific mental states.
One such experiment gathered information from the same user's sensors over a six-month period in order to validate the feasibility of the "personalized" approach.
So far, Sarkar's team has performed preliminary analysis of the profiles using conventional signal-processing algorithms and experimental methods like fuzzy logic and wavelet analysis. They have found patterns in the variations in the interval between heartbeats that could be "personalized."
Specifically, two frequency bands vary predictably with changes in stress. Sarkar's team is now conducting similar analyses using other available biosensors, including skin conductance (which changes when people sweat under stress) and facial muscles (such as furrowing the brow or clenching the jaw).
The team is also expanding the programming of its small robot to allow the robot to make better use of this information when communicating with people.
'I sense you are anxious'
In a current experiment the small robot explores its environ
and she said, 'Well...I think I'm personally responsible for the loss of a $400 million national asset.
Those women drivers... Sheesh!
"If you think you have things under control, you're not going fast enough." --Mario Andretti
I work at a software startup (well, three years old now.) Myself and one other person created the only product we sell. As most startups, we continue on the edge financially and the future is unclear. If we go under, I will be very, very sad to see it disappear.
You ruined Bobby, my favorite server. You slashdotting terrorists!
Table-ized A.I.
...they hate that.
This story heading was so long I almost formed an emotional attachment with IT...
The fact that these things are robots has nothing to do with attachment. It's the time and devotion that has gone into creating, testing, and improving them. It's like how a lot of people get attached to their first cars (even though they are always rust-bucket deathtraps). If you have enough history with something, you'll probably miss it when it's gone.
Scientists bond to space probes because they created them. As a programmer, I have an attachments to the software I created; if someone unfairly criticizes it sometimes I can take it personally.
Things like Bob and Clippy are loathed because they were what the creator/Microsoft wanted, not necessarily what the users wanted. In these 2 specific cases they act like the end-user is a complete idiot (which may or may not be true). People take offense at hand holding if they can walk fine on their own.
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Check out Opportunity's LiveJournal. It's good for a chuckle or two :)
We can neither love nor pity nor forgive. If you make a slip in handling us you die!
I think that the spectacular failures of Clippy and Bob have more to do with the attitudes of the characters themselves than the idea. It's like that really upbeat perky girl in the office whom everybody hates. Give me a sarcastic little bitch for a computer, and I'd be happy to embrace such tech...
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"Look Lois, the two symbols of the Republican Party: an elephant, and a fat white guy who is threatened by change."
And of course, the reason we love our computers so much:
10 Reasons Why Computers Are Better Than Girlfriends
1. You wouldn't bother to play Strip Poker all night with a girlfriend.
2. No girlfriend can hold your undivided attention for 30 hours in a stretch.
3. Your computer never wants to be taken out for dinner.
4. Your computer doesn't mind if you are unshaved, haven't showered this week or are sitting by it in your underwear.
5. If a computer gets a virus, it can be cleaned away.
6. No matter how ugly your computer is, you can show it to your friends.
7. With a computer, you can press the buttons without it getting sore.
8. A computer doesn't mind you using other computers as well.
9. You will never find your computer in bed with your best friend.
10. Computers never, EVER get a period.
I Am My Own Worst Enemy
It's not that we don't like the concept of anthropormophizing computers. It's just that we would rather see a naked supermodel with Einstein's brain and an instinctual sense of when not to talk.
But instead, they give us characters that remind us of Scrappy Doo.
Fascism trolls keeping me up every night. When I starts a preachin', he HITS ME WITH HIS REICH!
From the article:
:-)
For Spirit at Gusev Crater, it balked down early in its mission due to computer conniptions.
The writer was so using a thesaurus!
How can you NOT bond with a Mars rover. They were so cute when they were babies.
Table-ized A.I.
I have actually grown to 'bond' more with my computer the longer it continues to work. I've had this old beige G3 desktop for 6 years this month, and many times have tried to replace it with a newer model. The newer ones have all failed eventually, of course I didn't buy them brand new, but the old G3 keeps on chugging. All I've had to do is replace the ROM chip and a hard drive. Regardless of it's speed or lack thereof, it still manages to play Diablo II, and Civilization CTP without a hitch. So what I'm trying to say is, even as they get older and faster stuff becomes available, it's almost like they're remaining faithful.
This is something I've noticed with Hubble, except that we who deal with the technical side of it don't wax nearly as emotional about it as the astronomers who work with the data.
Exit, pursued by a bear.
I was about to say roughly the same thing... it wasn't the anthropomorphization that put people off, but what the little bastards would say and do.
However, it is important to note (and is consistant with the articles) that because they -were- anthroporphized, they provided a clearer target for our frustration than a simple pop-up window does.
What might have saved clippy is if they added a feature where the user could, Black&White style, pimp slap him upside the head whenever he did something aggravating and proceeded to grin at you about it. At least then we'd feel some emotional resolution to the frustrations these programs often cause rather than just having to stare at another box asking you to accept something you don't like or want by clicking 'ok'.
There are many things that are anthropomorphized like this in addition to cars. Ships have been given names for hundreds of years, and in fact it was only relatively recently that a well-respected maritime publication (I think it was Lloyd's of London's insurance books) that ceased to call ships "she", opting instead for the more mundane "it". This move attracted a lot of negative reaction (including from myself) since it flies in the face of longstanding tradition.
... probably to ward off bad luck and just because ships really do seem to have a personality.)
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Only in a few places have ships been called 'he'; those include the Soviet Union, and the German navy had one exception to the 'she rule', the cruiser Bismarck - due to its size and strength - and in many Star Trek novels, Klingon ships are referred to with male pronouns in part because the Klingons originally were meant to be a stand-in for the Soviet Union and in part because the writers believed that a warrior society wouldn't "demean" its ships by giving them feminine names.
Sailors, long a superstitious lot, will say that it's bad luck to change a ship's name, or to launch a ship with no name (German U-boats only had numbers, as did the White Star fleet of Babylon 5; I would bet that German crews unofficially named their ships, as did one White Star captain in the television series
In the Volkswagen enthusiast community, of which I am a part, it is quite common to see people name their cars. While many people follow the common convention and refer to their vehicle as 'she', there are a few cases where the Soviet practice is followed and a masculine name given. I have known people outside the VW community who name their cars, and some non-enthusiasts who do, but in general the naming seems to crop up more often among people who are passionate about the thing they name. Car enthusiasts tend to spend a lot more time with their vehicles, cleaning, repairing, and modifying them with their own hands instead of letting a faceless shop tech do it, so they bond more with the car and the car's personality - they're there, just ask any sailor - will have an influence on the owner.
We also anthropomorphize animals - we name our pets, don't we? And we talk to them as if they could understand (though I would swear that they can, sometimes) and treat them as part of our families. Mergings of humans and animals have been found in folklore for thousands of years (the ancient Egyptian pantheon perhaps being one of the most well-known examples) as have animals that could talk to people or be talked to by people. This is generally accepted and no one thinks much of it.
However, for some reason, more modern interpretations of this practice ("furries" for instance) are generally frowned upon; why I am not certain because past history seems to hint that it's not so unusual to imagine humans with animal qualities, or animals with human qualities. I would be interested in hearing speculation on why this is from some other readers.
So I don't really think it's all that odd that the MER spacecraft have been humanized. They even, to a point, seem to look a bit like us with a 'pair of eyes' and an arm holding out sensors, just like a human can extend its hand to touch something to examine it. After all, history shows that it's
Only human.
i am a soviet space shuttle
On this screenshot you can clearly see what Microsoft's attitude to our money is...
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Samir: No, not again. I... why does it say paper jam when there is no paper jam? I swear to God, one of these days, I just kick this piece of sh-t out the window.
Michael Bolton: You and me both, man. That thing is lucky I'm not armed.
Samir: Piece of sh-t.
The reason Bob and Clippy are so hated is because they are patronizing, whiny, know-it-alls. Who the hell wants one of those as a friend or on a computer?
John.
This must be the theme today. First What Sex is your Robot? and now this? So what are the Mars Rovers? male or female?
In the West, self-conscious machines are usually portrayed as menace of the society a lot more than helpers. In Japan, the opposite happens. Maybe that explains why the scientific progress in US are degrading?
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Unlike my Palm III. The little thing is just great, does the job it's meant to do, and never lets me down. It's simple, uncluttered, and I think, a wonderful design.
I still miss my first Nokia cellphone. It was real simple, did everything I wanted, never let me down. My current phone has all sorts of gizmos, and I hate it.
this is the best story ever! a BIG horaaay to the man/woman behind it! yeah!
If they'd named them Bush and Cheney rather than Spirit and Opportunity then the staff at NASA would clearly suffer far less when the probes eventually break down. Personally, I still haven't recovered from how I felt when Huey was incapacitated.
Doesn't it make you feel good to know that our freedoms are protected by politicans, lawyers and journalists.
...that the scientists in JPL are already in an unhealthy state due to the difference between Earth's and Mars' day (as mentioned here).
This particular disequilibrium of sleep will accentuate the reactions to the loss.
Isn't it similar with ./ers?
I'm offended by this. Please stop. k? thx
Obscure Futurama reference!
there is no universal method of detecting emotions in humans. This impressed Smith, who had independently noticed that years of research in psychology had failed to uncover the Rosetta stone of human emotions.
Violence is the only language that Clippy understands.
I don't want a computer that reacts to my emotions because such a system is likely to be poorly used and to make my user experience less predictable and less useful. I want a system that works the same way every time, or else changes in some particularly predictable way (virus updates).
On a side note, I think Americans are becoming more 'promiscuous' with objects (I'm an American) since they're easily aquired and mass produced. It seems to me that people living a long time ago were more likely to assign emotional value to objects and hand things down in their families.
I have some plates that I got from my grandmother. They're handmade. I'm going to give them to my grandkids if I don't break the things first. We have a table from my grandfather that was made in the Black Forest. It's still in good condition. But I doubt I'm going to start many such traditions because most of the things I own are not unique, not made to last, and not particuarly valuable. The table my parents gave me when they moved is broken now, and I'll be selling my couches when I move or else trashing them. etc.
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It's the end of my comment as I know it and I feel fine.
You insensitive clod!
Who is Bill Basket, and why am I using his pen?
My wife and I got a little Furby... its name was Boo Tai... We loved that little Furby!!! But my father-in law got a little rough with it and broke one his ears. I carefully woke my Boo Tai and proceeded to remove its batteries and it replied, "I'm Scared!". Almost broke my heart. I returned little Boo Tai to the store where they wrapped it up with the receipt with tape and put it in a buggy full of other broken merchandise. We got a new one, but we keep it permanently asleep in the closet. We don't dare get close to this one. Can never have another Boo Tai like the first one.
I only look human.
My mother is a halfling and my dad is an ogre, so that makes me an Ogreling
In Colin Kapp's short story "Gottlos" the VR operator of a robot tank identifies too closely with his warmech when it is dismembered by an enemy machine. He recovers from his shock to learn that his opponent, Gottlos, has suffered an even worse fate, for Gottlos is not a remotely controlled VR tank...
If they were named "Bush" and "Cheney," they would have found an excuse to stay on Earth.
We know. Humor-ectomies are all the rage.
I tell you what. We'll stop making gender associated jokes when something resembeling the truth appears in any woman's magazine. It's a great industry, FOR ME TO POOP ON!
What's even worse is when they spend several years working on a satellite, and the damn thing explodes on launch. :(
This is too lame.
If only Freud was alive.
Albatross!
I think I'd find it a lot easier to become attached to my computer. Let's face it, Bob & Clippy appear more masculine than feminine.
Let's give a computer a personality, and give that personality an animated image. An athletic hot chick, wearing skimpy clothing (although being highly intelligent) with a nice (not overly cheesy "sexy" though) voice. I think it would work, people would become attached. (Of course, that's the opposite of what every company with the power to do this really wants, force people to upgrade, don't get them attached to their current PC!)
As long as they don't get back a response from the Rover.....
"I am Nomad"
When you consider the emotional ride these engineers and scientists have been on, a period of adjustment to post-mission life is certainly understandable. From living on a Martian schedule, to the torture of anticipation endured during touch-down, to the milestone discoveries, all of this must be amazing to experience first-hand. Think of all the data analyzed, the nights lying in bed pondering improvements to the software code -- projects such as these become easily become one's life. I just hope the JPL have more interesting projects to look forward to in the future (i.e., propulsion drives, space telescope flotillas, Europa ice-drillers...).
In terms of human discovery, it's a great time to be alive!
How very like real human children. This is how all babies behave, right? This is really going to prepare the next generation with realistic expectations of what it's like to be a parent.
No mention of anthropomorphizing machinery is complete without a reference to Masahiro Mori's Uncanny Valley: n. Feelings of unease, fear, or revulsion created by a robot or robotic device that appears to be, but is not quite, human-like.
If a job's not worth doing, it's not worth doing right.
"Wallace said it's hard to predict how the rovers will eventually be silenced."
Pure Silence: "A gentle, loving, inner peace and silence is here and now in this moment. It has always been this way. It is always here. It is right here within you and all around you, a stillness, an apparent void, a seeming nothingness out of which everything arises, exists, and eventually returns. "
OMG! The rovers are going to get sucked into a black hole! WATCH OUT!!
This one gang kept wanting me to join cause I'm pretty good with a bo staff.
we tend to vehemently react against it--witness Microsoft's attempts with the much-loathed Bob and Clippy.
We managed to slip in an anti-"M$" jab even in an article about emotional bonding with fucking space probes.
Bob was over 10 years ago, and Clippy hasn't even been in a default install since the beginning of the decade. A simple click of "Hide" got rid of him way back when. Can we please get over Clippy already? The damn neverending light bulb in OpenOffice is much, much worse...
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I once found my husband - a software engineer - pondering the Mars Rovers after a scotch. He apologized for getting emotional, but I empathized.
"They are out there, so far away from Earth, far from the people who care about them. Alone. And they will probably never come back."
Tell me that doesn't make you a little misty-eyed!
To cheer him up, I added, "But this is what they were built for! Those little Rovers are having the time of their lives, riding over boulders and exploring craters..."
An engineer is a boy at heart.
After all, people don't assign programmers to different tasks--all organizations are one-track minds. When a kernel changelog releases spelling changes in the source code, they could have spent that time improving file I/O! Oh, that's right, people actually work on different things at the same time.
On the other hand, when software manufacturers try to give our computers some 'personality', we tend to vehemently react against it--witness Microsoft's attempts with the much-loathed Bob and Clippy.
It wasn't just personality. It was the kind of personality that left you wondering what it had been smoking. After a while, you realized just how disconnected from reality it was, and how pointless rationality was in its realm.
I remember that folks started anthropomorphizing macs as soon as they came out, perhaps in response to the happy mac icon at every startup (or the sad mac if you had problems that day).
The add on Talking Moose was what did it for me though...hard to describe this particular piece of software, but it put an animated moose in the corner of your screen... he would come on and say things (using Macintalk) in response to user actions with menu items and also randomly during idle times. It definitely gave me a connection to System 6, because he never really worked right with system 7. Unlike Clippy or Bob, the moose never really tried to be helpful, other than occasionally reminding you to save your document. But with his Canadian accent and hundreds of phrases, I still miss him to this day.
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Don't turn me off.....
I'll start getting space pr0n???
I too am also offended by this. Please stop. Pleassssssse. I can't take it anymore stop it with this shit! Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
Please mod parent +5.
Or does anyone else think that that My Real Baby doll by Hasbro looks kinda scarey ?
Spirit
Opportunity
The Mars rovers do, in fact, have their own weblogs: Spirit, and Opportunity. Complete with personalities, sibling rivalry, and pinups.
bonding with some probe might not be such a good idea ;-)
my favorite live journal is ripley the cat
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Men have their space probes, women have their vibrators. Bonding goes on everywhere.
Better than "Emotional Bonding with Anal Probes", I suppose.
A jock who lovingly polishes the fins of his 60's Chevy and talks to it.
A gamer who still has the Atari 2600 and speaks about it as a person.
For some people, the more attention, care, and money put into something, the greater the emotional investment - such that a failure or death "hurts".
I was taking one day at a time, but then several days got together and ambushed me. (from a Rhymes with Orange comic)
When the news came down that SOHO was probably gone for good, otherwise very controlled, steady, Dave Bowman types were seen leaning against the wall weeping, or bawling in front of the console. It was as if we were all in mourning for a suddenly lost friend -- except that, another time, a member of the spacecraft team did pass away (for reasons of his own) and the collective gestalt emotion was not as strong about him as about the spacecraft itself. That's not a statement about the callousness of the individuals involved -- but rather about the strength of the emotional upset that came from the loss of the mission.
Perhaps that's because the mission becomes such a strong focus of the team's lives that it really does encroach on an emotional place normally reserved for our closest friends and family. We're conditioned, and society is structured, to deal with human tragedy; but losing our ``friend'' leaves us with an equally large void and no societal preparation for it.
Typical Linux enthusiast response. "It's unusable? Skin it!"
:-)
No offense.
Heh...I actually have a library tech certificate...ahem...anyway, when I got my first computer back in 1996, I bought an NEC 9620 Ready. Decent little system for the day, and I still have it (use it for DOS gaming). It came with this annoying NEC Merlin thing installed that showed you how to use the computer. Among the characters was a goofy Merlin wizard and a nerdy library with black rimmed glasses. I wish I could remember the others...it was good for a laugh, but it was sad to see them making library workers look like doleful nerds, complete with the "Shhh!"
Perhaps I should have been more clear. What I meant was, that I would feel sad to see the product die. Not the loss of my job. I put a lot of emotional effort into it, much of it long before the company took it over. The product is very good, our customers love it and most likely it will not be the product that sinks the company. The main problem now is not enough money for marketing and bad business decisions.
To remember writing the first lines of code in my shitty apartment, to seeing it grow and mature into a full fledged product, to seeing many people buy it and love it, then to see it disappear would be sad for me. I have no fear of not finding another job. In fact, I would surely make more money in another job.
On the other hand, when software manufacturers try to give our computers some 'personality', we tend to vehemently react against it--witness Microsoft's attempts with the much-loathed Bob and Clippy.
Maybe if the personalities had been modeled after likeable people instead of yippy little poodles, we would have liked the idea better.
Moderator hint: a comment is neither "Flamebait" nor "Troll" if it is true.
People didn't react badly to the anthropomorphizing, they reacted badly to the patronizing tone.
No, Slashdot geeks reacted badly to the patronizing tone--just as they do to anything a company does to make things easier and friendly for non-techies, because geeks need to feel superior about everything.
Everyone else was fine with Clippy. You make it sound like there was a mass revolt, but there wasn't. It only existed on Slashdot.
I do tech support for my company, and the realtors just love the "cute little dog" that "digs at the ground" when I do a search for some document that they can't find. They don't find it intrusive or patronizing in any way at all, because they don't approach it with that mindset. It's just some fun little thing the computer does while they search. Slashdot nerds have this tone of, "How dare they assume I'm an idiot!" when all you have to do is tell the goddamned thing to go away, and it will never return. It's like the girth of your penis is tied to how knowledgable you can prove that you are to the computer.
Basically, it's the ego of the Comic Book Guy, but applied to computers. "How dare you..."
Homer: "When I start something, I always see it through to the end."
...Clears boxes from back of garage to reveal a pathetic looking robot with a tennis racket for one arm and cutoff broomstick & bristles for the other
...Robot crawls away with ineficient sweeps of arms, wires dragging along behind.
Robot: (looking up) "Father, give me legs."
Homer: "No!" (throws unfinished robot into street)
I have had a similar experience with my stereo. It once refused to give back a CD I put into it. I gave it a firm hit on the side, and on the LCD came the text "HELP!". I got my CD back, but I never hit that stereo again. When a thing like that happens you really make a reality check and wonder if you are hallucinating.
"It's too bad that stupidity isn't painful." - Anton LaVey
That little book with the tassel coming out of his head is something right out of a second-string PBS special.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Violence is the only language Clippy understands
So true... if you start asking Clippy questions about metal fatigue, it brings up help topics on how to turn it off...
Pretend that something especially witty is here. Thanks.
I *hate* furries!
Think Stephenson, not Pratchett.
Their own livejournal.
Didn't Sega relase that?
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For those who haven't seen it already, Spirit and Opportunity have LiveJournals. Spirit is a moody goth girl, while Opportunity is a perky teeny-bopper. I know I'll certainly miss them (or at least Spirit) when they're gone.
In other news, Spirit is really cute.
Wow... In one day, we have computerized sneakers, gendered robots, and now this. Let's put it all together. Imagine, if in a few years I could get a pair of Adidas, one male, and one female. I could name them, take them for walks, and watch them build a relationship. Forget 100 hours of battery life. We'll have to take them in for marriage counseling. Forget roving mars. I want my footwear to be able to pass a turing test. Perhaps the shoes could even spend some quality time in my closet and produce me a few pairs of sandles.
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Of course the researchers and designers of space probes bond with them: they have put huge parts of their lives into making those complex system function and have sent them vast distances. They have to care because the machine represents a vast amount of intellect.
I was in the submarine service, reported to a boat in new construction, road her down the ways, watched her go from a nearly empty tube (forward of the reactor compartment) to a fully functioning warship. I was on watch during initial criticality, during her first dive, her first surface. I KNEW her, as only the crew of a new vessel can know. I knew the people who built her, who tested her, and (of course) who operated her.
She will be decommissioned this summer. I'll go. It will be a sad time, to watch the life of a vessel end. She's the last of her kind.
I'm sure the designers and mission planners and researchers will feel much the same when Spirit and Opportunity go silent. They SHOULD - they earned the caring.
I have never felt that way about any computer I have ever owned. And definately NOT about a piece of software.
I love the quote from the rover team leader. She not only took responsibility, she and her team managed to fix it! Now there's an idea more people in the federal government (particularly high up in the executive branch) might take some inspiration from... ;)
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo
--Andy Finkel (J. Klass?)
Here is a nice book about a subject similar to this. You can read a nice review of it.
Can't find it anymore. If anybody knows of an online version, I'd sure appreciate a link.
I've found that my posts don't format quite right w/o a sig.
Again with the anecdotes held up as God's Only Truth. Gee, I guess because you say so that means that only people who read Slashdot didn't like Clippy.
By that logic, my friends who don't read Slashdot who also hated Clippy as well would, by your logic, negate your point of view.
Moderators: Get a friggin clue--this guy keeps posting the same logical fallacies over and over again and keeps getting modded up for same.
"I'm The Bounty Bear. I will find him anywhere. I'm searching."
Java and Bob used to get on....
http://toastytech.com/guis/bob5.html
I have a Rio Karma 20 digital music player. A friend told me that his coworker has one and the hard drive died. He turned it on, and the large LCD would only display BAD KARMA.
>> My ultraviolent Linux switch video.
You've never heard anyone talking to clippy before?
"I hate you, you goddamn little paperclip bastard! DIE!"
CAn'T CompreHend SARcaSm?
What is happening here is that a designers are getting attached to their babies. Naming something you just purchased and purhaps made some relatively minor modifications to (minor in comparison to the overall original design effort) is not comparable.
I can say from experience that the emotional investment in the success of a project that you've worked say, 90 hours a week for 2 years solid, on is HUGE!!! In my case, my baby didn't fail but, rather, had its feet ripped out from under it before it was ever given a chance. It happened in the early '90s and I still carry hatred for the high level official that did the unjustified deed.
Even at 40 hours of concentrated effort a week, you are almost certainly spending more time paying focused attention to your creation than almost anyone ever pays to any member of their family. Your investment in your job in almost every measure is the biggest investment you make in your life. Next time you hear someone say something like "he put his heart and soul into _______", know that it has very real meaning behind it and feel compassion if whatever "it" is failed.
Mmm.. Anal Probing...