>There's no shortage of other crippled features in the free version either, such as a maximum of 4x for burning CDs
The 4x speed only applies when burning CDs with Xandros File Manager. Install K3B and *poof* no limit. I don't know what other crippled features you're implying exist.
It is NOT severly limited in functionality. There's a limit of 4x speed when using Xandros File Manager to burn CDs and of course you don't get a free full version of Crossover. But that's it.
Sometimes even competing dosen't matter. Microware had been selling thier OS-9 operating system for years when Apple released OS 9. Microware sued and lost, due to "Fair use" laws (I don't claim to understand how that could possibly work).
UPDATE: After Jobs' presentation, Apple Senior Vice President Phil Schiller addressed the issue of running Windows on Macs, saying there are no plans to sell or support Windows on an Intel-based Mac. "That doesn't preclude someone from running it on a Mac. They probably will," he said. "We won't do anything to preclude that." However, Schiller said the company does not plan to let people run Mac OS X on other computer makers' hardware. "We will not allow running Mac OS X on anything other than an Apple Mac."
Installing Cedega for me is as simple as installing a deb file. And installing through Point2Play is really simple as well. Anyone who finds it tough to install shouldn't be allowed near a joystick, they might hurt themselves.
>i have spoken to people in the meat of the publishing industry and many of them pay 'IT people' to 'look under the hood' of, say, Quark,
Quark is a closed source copyrighted program. How are they "looking under the hood" in anyway that's analagous to what someone does when they tinker with open source code?
> You seem to be making the misconception that "free software" means "gratis software" - this is incorrect.
I don't think he's really incorrect at all (in fact I think the article is spot-on). For many people Free = Gratis and that's the only definition of free that matters. You only need to look at this site or perhaps OSNews, where for-pay software is discussed, even something relatively inexpensive, and you'll see howls of horror at the thought of *paying* (gasp, shock, scream) for it.
The Linux community really does seem to have an aversion to paying for anything. A lot of people, even in the OSS world, are just consumers of software who'll gladly take "gratis" while paying lip-service to "free."
Oliver is a rare chimp who always walked upright. People thought he might be a Humanzee (chimp-human hybrid). Genetic testing showed he was indeed a chimp, hough a rare type who's DNA didn't match other chimps.
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>Because it's a neat hack. Sheesh what more reason do you need?
Yes, it's a neat hack. But when the question is raised "what will it take to get people to use them?" it needs a better answer than "it's a neat hack."
I installed Diablo 2 & LOD with WineX on Xandros OCE with no problems at all. Insert disc, launch install, mount/unmount and swap discs as needed, Vidtest, patch via. battlenet, done.
The only problem I ran into at all was needing to comment out the default line in my hosts file to connect to tcp/ip games on the lan.
Game play is excellent, battlenet and local network games work fine. I've played it all the way through and just restarted on Nightmare level.
Since I don't play DAoC anymore I can't speak to that other than to say that the full version seems to work fine for other folks.
Doesn't seem so broken to me. I just finished all 4 Acts of Diablo 2 under WineX and just started LoD. I have Black & White and several of the Half-life variants running. I'll be getting back to Everquest soon, and as far as I know, that's running fine as well.
"Indeed, Cedega is not software libre. We've never claimed that it was. It's a commercial product that includes components dereived from Wine and ReWind.
Despite that fact, and despite the fact that we have not yet reached the 20,000 subscriber number in our original plans, we have contributed and we continue to contribute to the Wine project in a number of substantial ways. These include major contributions or rearchitectures of: 2D DirectDraw, DirectSound, DirectInput, DCOM, RPC, the WIDL IDL compiler, and wininet code, including SSL support. Additionally, we continue to maintain the X11 licensed ReWind tree, we've contributed code for a DIB renderer, and the Shared Memory WineServer.
Overall, we've contributed tens of thousands of lines of code under Open Source license term.
In particular, our DCOM, RPC, and WIDL work - required for use of InstallShield based installer - is extremely substantial work, and we are actively continuing to contribute that work to Wine and ReWind. We have probably spent as much engineering efforts on this as we have on our closed source Direct3D support.
If you want to see some of what we've contributed, just browse the wine-devel and wine-patches mailing lists.
>hey haven't told anyone what their userbase actually is.
They said they would when they reached 20,000 subscribers. The last report (some time ago) was 4,000 or so. Transgaming themselves said in the thread here, on Cedega's release day, that they had not reached thier subscription goal.
>Who cares if you can't give Sony $13 or $15 a month to play everquest.
Me for one. So some games you like have native linux versions, how nice for you. I like Everquest and have no interest what-so-ever in giving my money to Bioware. Especially after the way they dicked around the LInux community with the extremely delayed release of NWN for Linus. No thanks, I said back then that Bioware would ever get another penny from me, and I meant it.
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>It's never the people who are supposedly harmed by the low minimum wage crying for an increase
Good Grief!!
What planet do you live on? It's obviously not the same one I'm familiar with.
Wrong. The limitation is only when burning CDs thourgh Xandros File Manager. You're perfectly able to install K3B and use it as normal.
The 4x speed only applies when burning CDs with Xandros File Manager. Install K3B and *poof* no limit. I don't know what other crippled features you're implying exist.
It is NOT severly limited in functionality. There's a limit of 4x speed when using Xandros File Manager to burn CDs and of course you don't get a free full version of Crossover. But that's it.
Sometimes even competing dosen't matter. Microware had been selling thier OS-9 operating system for years when Apple released OS 9. Microware sued and lost, due to "Fair use" laws (I don't claim to understand how that could possibly work).
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>Cheap Solid State Computers Could Kill Microsoft
Well there's *could* as in "Yes, it's theortically possible," and then there's *could* as in "Not a chance in hell." I figure this is the latter.
Didn't we just have an article last week which stated that dark energy didn't exist?
"a leading researcher in Internet addiction" finds some people spend too much time on the interent . . . well I'm certainly surprised.
Because I just reformatted my almost completely unused Windows partition last night. I'm not interested in going backwards.
Installing Cedega for me is as simple as installing a deb file. And installing through Point2Play is really simple as well. Anyone who finds it tough to install shouldn't be allowed near a joystick, they might hurt themselves.
Spend a year living in the family of an alcoholic and come back and tell us what a *real* addiction is.
That unlike regulations for greenhouse emissions and various polutants the government won't issue "volutary guidelines" on televised violence?
Quark is a closed source copyrighted program. How are they "looking under the hood" in anyway that's analagous to what someone does when they tinker with open source code?
I don't think he's really incorrect at all (in fact I think the article is spot-on). For many people Free = Gratis and that's the only definition of free that matters. You only need to look at this site or perhaps OSNews, where for-pay software is discussed, even something relatively inexpensive, and you'll see howls of horror at the thought of *paying* (gasp, shock, scream) for it.
The Linux community really does seem to have an aversion to paying for anything. A lot of people, even in the OSS world, are just consumers of software who'll gladly take "gratis" while paying lip-service to "free."
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>Because it's a neat hack. Sheesh what more reason do you need?
Yes, it's a neat hack. But when the question is raised "what will it take to get people to use them?" it needs a better answer than "it's a neat hack."
The only problem I ran into at all was needing to comment out the default line in my hosts file to connect to tcp/ip games on the lan.
Game play is excellent, battlenet and local network games work fine. I've played it all the way through and just restarted on Nightmare level. Since I don't play DAoC anymore I can't speak to that other than to say that the full version seems to work fine for other folks.
Of all the tech sites you could have linked to about the Debian problem you pick a non-tech hate site like Free Republic?
Doesn't seem so broken to me. I just finished all 4 Acts of Diablo 2 under WineX and just started LoD. I have Black & White and several of the Half-life variants running. I'll be getting back to Everquest soon, and as far as I know, that's running fine as well.
"Indeed, Cedega is not software libre. We've never claimed that it was. It's a commercial product that includes components dereived from Wine and ReWind.
Despite that fact, and despite the fact that we have not yet reached the 20,000 subscriber number in our original plans, we have contributed and we continue to contribute to the Wine project in a number of substantial ways. These include major contributions or rearchitectures of: 2D DirectDraw, DirectSound, DirectInput, DCOM, RPC, the WIDL IDL compiler, and wininet code, including SSL support. Additionally, we continue to maintain the X11 licensed ReWind tree, we've contributed code for a DIB renderer, and the Shared Memory WineServer.
Overall, we've contributed tens of thousands of lines of code under Open Source license term.
In particular, our DCOM, RPC, and WIDL work - required for use of InstallShield based installer - is extremely substantial work, and we are actively continuing to contribute that work to Wine and ReWind. We have probably spent as much engineering efforts on this as we have on our closed source Direct3D support.
If you want to see some of what we've contributed, just browse the wine-devel and wine-patches mailing lists.
-Gav
Gavriel State, Co-CEO & CTO
TransGaming Technologies Inc"
>hey haven't told anyone what their userbase actually is.
They said they would when they reached 20,000 subscribers. The last report (some time ago) was 4,000 or so. Transgaming themselves said in the thread here, on Cedega's release day, that they had not reached thier subscription goal.
You're confusing things. WineX isn't meant for running "office crap" it's meant for running games and it does so very well.
>Who cares if you can't give Sony $13 or $15 a month to play everquest. Me for one. So some games you like have native linux versions, how nice for you. I like Everquest and have no interest what-so-ever in giving my money to Bioware. Especially after the way they dicked around the LInux community with the extremely delayed release of NWN for Linus. No thanks, I said back then that Bioware would ever get another penny from me, and I meant it.
An often repeated falsehood, it's simply not true.