Yeah. I made note of that in one of the other responses I had in here. I don't really see why this is a headline at all.
If you have a slider with Safety/security on one side, and Privacy on the other, all three browsers let you adjust where that slider falls.
Browsers have to balance timeliness of updates against the fast moving phishing schemes with letting the users feel maintain a sense of security. It's strange though, like others have mentioned, Opera Mini seems to get away with this just fine as well as your local ISP.
I wish we could just say "nothing to see here, move along..." for this article. Or at least properly word the headline to something like:
"Opera to default to real-time phishing filter" or something along those lines.
They've opted for a more "real-time" updating as phishing sites can move very quickly.
FF2 also allows you to use google in the same way as Opera.
That said, I think Opera should allow us to keep real-time checking turned on as they'd like, but also allow us to "downgrade" our coverage to a blacklist that we can download (just new additions!) daily.
exactly. Opera is just opting for something along the lines of what your links mentions about google trust:
What information is sent to Mozilla when Phishing Protection is enabled?
When using Phishing Protection in default mode, no information is sent to Mozilla or anti-phishing partners. Rather, sites are checked against a local list that is downloaded and updated on a regular basis. When sites are checked against remote services such as Google, the Web site address is sent over a secure SSL connection.
They use GeoTrust.... which is a third party, your points are still valid.
But you also have to look at some of those with FF's phishing filter too right? You're getting a blacklist from (presumably) a mozilla server- so don't you have to trust their judgement of good/bad?
It's the native mouse gestures,MDI tabs (I can tile them with a mouse gesture!) and excellent caching of history (I'll tell you when to reload the page dammit.. I *want* the old data) that got me.
If I used a Mac, the speed of Safari is not something I would overlook though. I would find one of those mousegesture additions (cocoa gestures or some such?) though.
They use white or blacklists. Meaning it phone's home just to get a big list of all at once.
Opera checks each as you go.
Pro: it's updated as fast as GeoTrust is.. you don't have to wait for your nightly download (or whatever frequency) so you get the most reponsive phishing filter.
Con: The reason this is a headline at all...Still, it will be able to be turned off and it's largely not all that different from MS or FF.
I've found that since Opera went free, and people keep talking about this "Firefox memory leak" thing, the voices in support of Opera on Slashdot have grown considerably.
agreed... and more strangely is the fact that we really only apply this to automobiles. If someone has a gigantic house with way more rooms than they need, nobody says they are are trying to compensate for anything.
If someone dresses super flashy, we don't make the same poor generalizations (well, we do assume things about people in both cases, but not about their percieved physical shortcomings).
I'm Opera through and through. I bleed Opera and advocate it when appropriate. I've used since it for many years and paid for it.
This is not "Opera's idea." It was around before Opera implemented it in Yahoo widgets, Konfabulator, Dashboard, etc. Thank you for your time.
I'm an Opera/keyboard user as well.
Spatial navigation with inline text and inline link finding is pretty powerful.
I will say that these other FF extensions seem interesting I tried hit-a-hint before and it didn't stick with me. I'm not sure exactly what it was about it I didn't like.
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I agree with your point.. and some could argue that the "adaptive menus" mentioned in the article are in thinking with your point... they sought to take the most active commands the user has been using and shift them around to make them more effecient for the user to get at.
Unfortunately for MS, consistency was more important and everyone hated adaptive menus. I do like your idea... I'd like to see a large flashing (like a 37signals.com "yellow fade" technique, or Humanized.com's "transparent messaging" to alert the user that there is a shortcut or otherwise alternate means that the user might use. Keep everything consistent, but still allow them to learn.
...the first LEGO Star Wars game. My son is five, and this is the best thing as far as gaming is concerned. Great Co-Op, funny, great storylines, interesting enough for me to play, easy enough for my five year old to cut his teeth on gaming systems.
I know, I know, plenty of five year old out there are already master gamers.. but my son's been riding without training wheels since he was three and a half... *and* swimming, underwater, unassisted since just about the same. I'll trade that for some underdeveloped hand-eye coordination.
The first was obviously a typo, but the second, in my opinion, was not*
You corrected the OP from "tactical" to "tacticle." Regardless, the point is that you correcting someone** on the usage of a word shouldn't be done if you don't know how to use it. At least, in so far as to call the OP's usage as "completely asinine."
*Other grammar, spelling errors in the post are acceptable, but in the word called in question.
**I will say that I used: "I believe..." -as I'm not a douchebag and believe myself to fallible.
Uh.... what, exactly is tactcile feedback? Maybe you meant to say tactile?
I think you meant to say something completely different, and in your effort to use big words said something completely asinine
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Yeah. I made note of that in one of the other responses I had in here. I don't really see why this is a headline at all.
If you have a slider with Safety/security on one side, and Privacy on the other, all three browsers let you adjust where that slider falls.
Browsers have to balance timeliness of updates against the fast moving phishing schemes with letting the users feel maintain a sense of security. It's strange though, like others have mentioned, Opera Mini seems to get away with this just fine as well as your local ISP.
I wish we could just say "nothing to see here, move along..." for this article. Or at least properly word the headline to something like:
"Opera to default to real-time phishing filter" or something along those lines.
They are verified by GeoTrust.
I agree with your statement though. It would be nice to just update the list concurrently on the client.
"Why not have users download a list every so often?" ...because "every so often" is "not often enough" when it comes to phishing.
(according to Opera)
They've opted for a more "real-time" updating as phishing sites can move very quickly.
FF2 also allows you to use google in the same way as Opera.
That said, I think Opera should allow us to keep real-time checking turned on as they'd like, but also allow us to "downgrade" our coverage to a blacklist that we can download (just new additions!) daily.
exactly. Opera is just opting for something along the lines of what your links mentions about google trust:
What information is sent to Mozilla when Phishing Protection is enabled?
When using Phishing Protection in default mode, no information is sent to Mozilla or anti-phishing partners. Rather, sites are checked against a local list that is downloaded and updated on a regular basis. When sites are checked against remote services such as Google, the Web site address is sent over a secure SSL connection.
They use GeoTrust.... which is a third party, your points are still valid.
But you also have to look at some of those with FF's phishing filter too right? You're getting a blacklist from (presumably) a mozilla server- so don't you have to trust their judgement of good/bad?
It's the native mouse gestures,MDI tabs (I can tile them with a mouse gesture!) and excellent caching of history (I'll tell you when to reload the page dammit.. I *want* the old data) that got me.
If I used a Mac, the speed of Safari is not something I would overlook though. I would find one of those mousegesture additions (cocoa gestures or some such?) though.
eh, to each his own.
They use white or blacklists. Meaning it phone's home just to get a big list of all at once.
..Still, it will be able to be turned off and it's largely not all that different from MS or FF.
Opera checks each as you go.
Pro: it's updated as fast as GeoTrust is.. you don't have to wait for your nightly download (or whatever frequency) so you get the most reponsive phishing filter.
Con: The reason this is a headline at all.
I've found that since Opera went free, and people keep talking about this "Firefox memory leak" thing, the voices in support of Opera on Slashdot have grown considerably.
*golf clap* Good day sir!
So these two choices somehow aren't imposing?
1 = imposing, standardized, violation of principles, united
2 = Free as in speech, touchy-feely, all is well, infinite possibility/not united under anything, Thunderdome-y goodness of creativity....
...for that article. Visually break up the different ideas so the reader can easily scan them.
agreed... and more strangely is the fact that we really only apply this to automobiles. If someone has a gigantic house with way more rooms than they need, nobody says they are are trying to compensate for anything. If someone dresses super flashy, we don't make the same poor generalizations (well, we do assume things about people in both cases, but not about their percieved physical shortcomings).
I'm Opera through and through. I bleed Opera and advocate it when appropriate. I've used since it for many years and paid for it. This is not "Opera's idea." It was around before Opera implemented it in Yahoo widgets, Konfabulator, Dashboard, etc. Thank you for your time.
Man. I *am* getting old. Like my collegues have said, saying Sony has "always been big" is selling the gaming industry short by a couple decades.
I'm an Opera/keyboard user as well. Spatial navigation with inline text and inline link finding is pretty powerful. I will say that these other FF extensions seem interesting I tried hit-a-hint before and it didn't stick with me. I'm not sure exactly what it was about it I didn't like.
I agree with your point.. and some could argue that the "adaptive menus" mentioned in the article are in thinking with your point... they sought to take the most active commands the user has been using and shift them around to make them more effecient for the user to get at. Unfortunately for MS, consistency was more important and everyone hated adaptive menus. I do like your idea... I'd like to see a large flashing (like a 37signals.com "yellow fade" technique, or Humanized.com's "transparent messaging" to alert the user that there is a shortcut or otherwise alternate means that the user might use. Keep everything consistent, but still allow them to learn.
Doc Brown my be able to help you out with getting your car fitted like that.
...the first LEGO Star Wars game. My son is five, and this is the best thing as far as gaming is concerned. Great Co-Op, funny, great storylines, interesting enough for me to play, easy enough for my five year old to cut his teeth on gaming systems.
I know, I know, plenty of five year old out there are already master gamers.. but my son's been riding without training wheels since he was three and a half... *and* swimming, underwater, unassisted since just about the same. I'll trade that for some underdeveloped hand-eye coordination.
My old, modified ReplayTV 5040 (with commercial advance): Go go gadget beer drinking.
The first was obviously a typo, but the second, in my opinion, was not* You corrected the OP from "tactical" to "tacticle." Regardless, the point is that you correcting someone** on the usage of a word shouldn't be done if you don't know how to use it. At least, in so far as to call the OP's usage as "completely asinine." *Other grammar, spelling errors in the post are acceptable, but in the word called in question. **I will say that I used: "I believe..." -as I'm not a douchebag and believe myself to fallible.
Also, I believe it should be: "...REAL tactile feedback..."
Uh.... what, exactly is tactcile feedback? Maybe you meant to say tactile? I think you meant to say something completely different, and in your effort to use big words said something completely asinine
I'm jotting that quote down for future reference.
Other links: http://operawatch.com/news/2006/08/opera-visits-mi crosoft-in-preparation-for-windows-vista.html
http://annevankesteren.nl/2006/08/opera-vista