Funny... in the VMware whitepaper linked to from the article, even VMware wasn't able to get more than 110% memory over-consolidation from page sharing. I wonder what's so different about KVM's page sharing approach?
no sound; no file uploading; no texture downloading.
I just tried running the windows SL client under wine (on a gentoo box with a fairly recent NVidia card) last week. I'm able to hear sounds as well as view textures (didn't try uploading any files), and the 3d hardware acceleration is definitely working.
Best bet: stick with wine for now, until they get the linux client functionality fully worked out.
And yeah, I'm still trying to figure out something interesting to do/build in SL. The casinos and sex clubs are not exactly worth my time.
that is "Not in My Country", this will CERTAINLY be put to use here in the US. I was in NYC for the RNC '04 - while the local police were mostly sympathetic, the Government At Large is becoming increasingly concerned with controlling an increasingly concerned populace, and it showed.
To those who say that "rioters" deserve to be "put down", I thought we chased your type out back in 1776. I see you've crept back in.
Programmers will not see or edit XML tags; instead, their editors will render these models to create human-friendly views, just like Web browsers and other WYSIWYG editors.
All these whines about obfuscation and "I don't want to write code in XML!!!!" are clouding the debate - "Will this make development of large software projects easier and more reliable?"
I saw another poster completely discounting OOP languages (specifically C++) because it caused a 100FPS slowdown (from ~600 to ~500) in his 9 cube shaded renderer, as if that were a typical large software development project (clue to the clueless: it's not). This person was marked up as Insightful!
I searched for "bars" in Toronto, ON. Half the results were ice-cream shops. Searching for "pubs" produced the results I was looking for.
Course, the best way to find places in Toronto is either word-of-mouth or NOW magazine anyhoo.
try not to moderator-bash-button me, but...
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Review: Spiderman
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... while this review is pretty good, something about Taco's hyphen-stuck-down writing style kept throwing me off. I'm not trying to love-to-hate-Katz your review here Taco, but I couldn't resist hehe-anyone-else-notice pointing it out.
[Here's what I posted to the comments section of wininformant.com. Doubtful they'll display it.]
Excellent satire.
One only needs to look at the SecurityFocus stats referenced to find holes in most (if not all) statements made by Paul's article. An example:
"A look at the previous 5 years [there were only four previous years reported on - tsmith]--for which the data is more complete--also shows that each year, Win2K and Windows NT had far fewer security vulnerabilities than Linux..."
Lets take a look at the previous "five" years, starting with 2000. Redhat Linux 6.2 i386, listed as the most vulnerable of the linux flavors with 65 vulns, is bested outright by MS Windows NT with a whopping 71 vulnerabilities. To compare apples to apples requires adding in MS IIS 4.0, with 29 reported vulns, for a total of 100 vulns, or over %50 more vulnerabilities than the _buggiest_ distribution of linux. Even the combination of the lowly, four-years-on-the-market, mature Windows95 with IIS (if such a combination were possible - it matters not, because if not then W95 cannot honestly be compared to RHL) results in 64 vulns. Note that Win95 had the least vulns reported (at 35) of all the Wins. Also not that despite it being out a solid 3 years longer than RHL, it can only best the mark by 1 vuln. Not quite what I'd describe as "far fewer".
Paul's statement is even more humorous in light of the data from 1999. In that year, Microsoft's products fill the top of the list almost exclusively, with the exception of Solaris 7.0 having slightly more vulnerabilities than IIS and NT4.0SP5. That's right folks, IIS _alone_ had more vulns than any flavor of Linux and most of the Solari. NT4.0 without a service pack? 75 vulns.
1998 is the only year during which Paul may have a contention regarding NT besting Linux. 8 vulns vs RHL's 10. Note, however, that this is not including bugs from IIS, and is akin to comparing apples to oranges. In any case a difference of two is not what I would consider "far fewer". The comparison of RHL to Win95 is laughable in this case - what does a count of security vulnerabilities show in a system which has virtually no security?
Once again in 1997, RHL's 6 bests WinNT's 10.
Paul, how exactly are we to interpret the phrases "five", "each year", and "far fewer"? Perhaps as "four", "maybe one year", and "a little bit"? I suppose your wording was close enough though - I mean, it _is_ just your journalistic integrity on the line, right?
"Win2K had fewer vulnerabilities than RedHat Linux 7.0 or MandrakeSoft Mandrake Linux 7.2"
Note that niether BO nor IIS are reported on in the 2001 tables, thus no conclusion may be drawn.
"...despite the fact that Windows is deployed on a far wider basis than any version of Linux"
Excellent heresay. Well un-supported by reliable references. After reading the prior claims in your article, I'll be sure to give this little tidbit all the credit it deserves (incidentally, none).
Thanks again for the good laugh Paul! What's next week? "WinXP Embedded Has Smaller Footprint Than vxWork? Yepppp!" I can almost imagine you shaking your pom-poms in the air.
I think that's a slightly inappropriate application of Brooks' assertion, as auditing code is a bit different from working on a team programming project.
The former is a task easily done in parallel with little or no intra-personnel communication. The later is something which, as Brooks points out, requires more intra-personnel communication as more personnel is added, until the marginal gain in productivity turns into a loss.
What is this "hardship" status you were able to qualify for? I'd love to go to a university someday (evem soon perhaps) - I share your feelings about high school but would like to teach (at a uni) someday.
Yeah, I got a 1460 (740E/720M), then dropped out junior year, then went back senior year, then dropped out again. Now (~2 years later) I'm working full time as an embedded systems engineer. Sure is nice not having to worry about student loans:)
You said:
Let me guess, you're the same type of person that judges the US's poverty level at anyone getting (approx) $17,000 usd/year. If you think you can comfortably support a family on that kind of income in the US, you've got to be insane.
Indeed he definitely would be insane, as anybody knows that "living in poverty" and "comfortably supporting a family" are very far apart on the economic spectrum.
I would say that someone who is living in poverty has absolutely no chance of supporting a family nor "living comfortably" by any modern sense.
But a CS degree from a good school is a hell of a lot better than nothing.
I think this quote summarizes the theme that is central to all of your posts on this thread: that those in the field without a degree have no training.
It should be obvious that if said people are in the field, they obviously have some sort of training, as programming is not a profession that you can easily bullshit your way through.
I find your differentiation between 'programmer' and 'software engineer'. Please explain.
haven't you noticed that Linux's end-user apps are way inferior to everything in Windows?
uh huh. i believe that you have confused that glorified typewriter in front of you with a real computer. Real work gets done on linux, with apps like gcc, gdb, perl, apache, emacs, nedit, etc etc. computing tasks. from the applications you list in one of your following posts, it seems that you use a computer as a fourteen hundred dollar typewriter/calculator/boob-tube. on the other side of the fence, people (like myself) are using linux to create software that replaces functions like you.
linux is a real operating system. windows is just a toy.
I proudly eat ramen every month to furthur my stock of harware, so buying the RAID model would probably mean eating cardboard for me -- and that's not happenin' captain!
Indeed, users must occasionally resort to typing commands into a command-line interface.
What?!? You mean I still have to TYPE something if i want to use this "linux" thing? F*ck that, I will stick to Windows!!!
Seriously, how the fsck will the herds of computer illiterate (i.e. "Mainstream") people that we are trying so hard to make linux accomidate benifit the linux community??? Sure, everyone who has stock in RH or pick-your-linux-company will benifit, but what about the OS itself? If precious resources move from better kernels/ip stacks/drivers development to "make X pretty and easy to use for computer illiterates" then kiss your (and my) beloved OS goodbye, cause soon it will be no different than Windows - easy to use, and damn inefficient.
Actually, on some systems it still does use Motif', and I think it may actually look for it on Linux, either before looking for GTK or upon not finding GTK. Refer to http://www.mozilla.org/community.html under GTK: GTK is a Motif-like GUI toolkit for Unix; some people prefer it to Motif for various reasons, and would like to make Mozilla work with GTK. This forum is for discussions about that effort.
Well, some of those people have been using Linux since kernel level.99, so they probably don't give a damn if you think it's funny how the pronounce it.
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Funny... in the VMware whitepaper linked to from the article, even VMware wasn't able to get more than 110% memory over-consolidation from page sharing. I wonder what's so different about KVM's page sharing approach?
I just tried running the windows SL client under wine (on a gentoo box with a fairly recent NVidia card) last week. I'm able to hear sounds as well as view textures (didn't try uploading any files), and the 3d hardware acceleration is definitely working.
Best bet: stick with wine for now, until they get the linux client functionality fully worked out.
And yeah, I'm still trying to figure out something interesting to do/build in SL. The casinos and sex clubs are not exactly worth my time.
Cheers,
Tim
that is "Not in My Country", this will CERTAINLY be put to use here in the US. I was in NYC for the RNC '04 - while the local police were mostly sympathetic, the Government At Large is becoming increasingly concerned with controlling an increasingly concerned populace, and it showed.
To those who say that "rioters" deserve to be "put down", I thought we chased your type out back in 1776. I see you've crept back in.
Wait, seriously. On page four, the author says:
Programmers will not see or edit XML tags; instead, their editors will render these models to create human-friendly views, just like Web browsers and other WYSIWYG editors.
All these whines about obfuscation and "I don't want to write code in XML!!!!" are clouding the debate - "Will this make development of large software projects easier and more reliable?"
I saw another poster completely discounting OOP languages (specifically C++) because it caused a 100FPS slowdown (from ~600 to ~500) in his 9 cube shaded renderer, as if that were a typical large software development project (clue to the clueless: it's not). This person was marked up as Insightful!
Give me a break, people.
Is that terabytes or tebibytes?
I searched for "bars" in Toronto, ON. Half the results were ice-cream shops. Searching for "pubs" produced the results I was looking for.
Course, the best way to find places in Toronto is either word-of-mouth or NOW magazine anyhoo.
... while this review is pretty good, something about Taco's hyphen-stuck-down writing style kept throwing me off. I'm not trying to love-to-hate-Katz your review here Taco, but I couldn't resist hehe-anyone-else-notice pointing it out.
[Here's what I posted to the comments section of wininformant.com. Doubtful they'll display it.]
Excellent satire.
One only needs to look at the SecurityFocus stats referenced to find holes in most (if not all) statements made by Paul's article. An example:
"A look at the previous 5 years [there were only four previous years reported on - tsmith]--for which the data is more complete--also shows that each year, Win2K and Windows NT had far fewer security vulnerabilities than Linux..."
Lets take a look at the previous "five" years, starting with 2000. Redhat Linux 6.2 i386, listed as the most vulnerable of the linux flavors with 65 vulns, is bested outright by MS Windows NT with a whopping 71 vulnerabilities. To compare apples to apples requires adding in MS IIS 4.0, with 29 reported vulns, for a total of 100 vulns, or over %50 more vulnerabilities than the _buggiest_ distribution of linux. Even the combination of the lowly, four-years-on-the-market, mature Windows95 with IIS (if such a combination were possible - it matters not, because if not then W95 cannot honestly be compared to RHL) results in 64 vulns. Note that Win95 had the least vulns reported (at 35) of all the Wins. Also not that despite it being out a solid 3 years longer than RHL, it can only best the mark by 1 vuln. Not quite what I'd describe as "far fewer".
Paul's statement is even more humorous in light of the data from 1999. In that year, Microsoft's products fill the top of the list almost exclusively, with the exception of Solaris 7.0 having slightly more vulnerabilities than IIS and NT4.0SP5. That's right folks, IIS _alone_ had more vulns than any flavor of Linux and most of the Solari. NT4.0 without a service pack? 75 vulns.
1998 is the only year during which Paul may have a contention regarding NT besting Linux. 8 vulns vs RHL's 10. Note, however, that this is not including bugs from IIS, and is akin to comparing apples to oranges. In any case a difference of two is not what I would consider "far fewer". The comparison of RHL to Win95 is laughable in this case - what does a count of security vulnerabilities show in a system which has virtually no security?
Once again in 1997, RHL's 6 bests WinNT's 10.
Paul, how exactly are we to interpret the phrases "five", "each year", and "far fewer"? Perhaps as "four", "maybe one year", and "a little bit"? I suppose your wording was close enough though - I mean, it _is_ just your journalistic integrity on the line, right?
"Win2K had fewer vulnerabilities than RedHat Linux 7.0 or MandrakeSoft Mandrake Linux 7.2"
Note that niether BO nor IIS are reported on in the 2001 tables, thus no conclusion may be drawn.
"...despite the fact that Windows is deployed on a far wider basis than any version of Linux"
Excellent heresay. Well un-supported by reliable references. After reading the prior claims in your article, I'll be sure to give this little tidbit all the credit it deserves (incidentally, none).
Thanks again for the good laugh Paul! What's next week? "WinXP Embedded Has Smaller Footprint Than vxWork? Yepppp!" I can almost imagine you shaking your pom-poms in the air.
$14CDN is roughly $9US,which isn't far off the 7,8, and 10 dollar prices quoted earlier, so don't feel so bad :)
$9.75CDN is more like the average Los Angeles ticket price: ~$6.50US
I've been to some of the Silver Cities in T.O., pretty nice places. Gotta love the multiple popcorn powder flavors (try finding that in L.A.)
I think that's a slightly inappropriate application of Brooks' assertion, as auditing code is a bit different from working on a team programming project.
The former is a task easily done in parallel with little or no intra-personnel communication. The later is something which, as Brooks points out, requires more intra-personnel communication as more personnel is added, until the marginal gain in productivity turns into a loss.
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What is this "hardship" status you were able to qualify for? I'd love to go to a university someday (evem soon perhaps) - I share your feelings about high school but would like to teach (at a uni) someday.
Yeah, I got a 1460 (740E/720M), then dropped out junior year, then went back senior year, then dropped out again. Now (~2 years later) I'm working full time as an embedded systems engineer. Sure is nice not having to worry about student loans :)
You said:
Let me guess, you're the same type of person that judges the US's poverty level at anyone getting (approx) $17,000 usd/year. If you think you can comfortably support a family on that kind of income in the US, you've got to be insane.
Indeed he definitely would be insane, as anybody knows that "living in poverty" and "comfortably supporting a family" are very far apart on the economic spectrum.
I would say that someone who is living in poverty has absolutely no chance of supporting a family nor "living comfortably" by any modern sense.
I find your differentiation between 'programmer' and 'software engineer'. should have read:
I find your differentiation between 'programmer' and 'software engineer' suspicious.
oops.
I think this quote summarizes the theme that is central to all of your posts on this thread: that those in the field without a degree have no training.
It should be obvious that if said people are in the field, they obviously have some sort of training, as programming is not a profession that you can easily bullshit your way through.
I find your differentiation between 'programmer' and 'software engineer'. Please explain.
Tim
...gotta get Myers' orange book. It will change the way you think about testing.
IP would be nothing without TCP and UDP!
And let's not forget that ICMP plays a substantial role in debugging network configurations.
uh huh. i believe that you have confused that glorified typewriter in front of you with a real computer. Real work gets done on linux, with apps like gcc, gdb, perl, apache, emacs, nedit, etc etc. computing tasks. from the applications you list in one of your following posts, it seems that you use a computer as a fourteen hundred dollar typewriter/calculator/boob-tube. on the other side of the fence, people (like myself) are using linux to create software that replaces functions like you.
linux is a real operating system. windows is just a toy.
tsmith timid1200@yahoo.com
BTW, don't click here
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I proudly eat ramen every month to furthur my stock of harware, so buying the RAID model would probably mean eating cardboard for me -- and that's not happenin' captain!
What?!? You mean I still have to TYPE something if i want to use this "linux" thing? F*ck that, I will stick to Windows!!!
Seriously, how the fsck will the herds of computer illiterate (i.e. "Mainstream") people that we are trying so hard to make linux accomidate benifit the linux community??? Sure, everyone who has stock in RH or pick-your-linux-company will benifit, but what about the OS itself? If precious resources move from better kernels/ip stacks/drivers development to "make X pretty and easy to use for computer illiterates" then kiss your (and my) beloved OS goodbye, cause soon it will be no different than Windows - easy to use, and damn inefficient.
Refer to http://www.mozilla.org/community.html under GTK:
GTK is a Motif-like GUI toolkit for Unix; some people prefer it to Motif for various reasons, and would like to make Mozilla work with GTK. This forum is for discussions about that effort.
The more power wielded (sp?) by those that govern, the more likely it will be that corrupt peolpe will seek to govern.
Any theories on what 666 is supposed to be?
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Well, some of those people have been using Linux since kernel level .99, so they probably don't give a damn if you think it's funny how the pronounce it.
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