Excuse me, but you are wrong. Technically speaking, a shell is what is used to pass commands to the operating system. The graphical user interface in Windows is basically a shell around the kernel and fulfills the duties of a shell.
Debian is just the distribution for you, it seems! There's a reason their stable release is a bit behind, and it's not just the 11 architectures that have to be supported! You'll also love apt/dpkg.
I don't care about my curtains and sheets. I always wear black. I hate the majority of the world's population. Consistency really isn't a big deal for me.
I don't see the problem in having an application use different widgets than your desktop environment or some other applications. I mean... come on.
"Oh my God! There's this... weird blue button with curved edges on my screen! What do I do?! What do I do?! It's nothing like my square gray button!"
I don't even find it ugly. It doesn't decrease my productivity. It makes for a nice diversion where everything looks boring and exactly the same otherwise. XUL isn't that slow on my (relatively out-dated) P3-800 machine, Mozilla isn't that bloated... What's everyone screaming about? This has been going on for years, when higher-level programming languages became popular. Face it, assembly is so passe...
I actually like having my Mozilla look exactly the same on Linux and Windows. Why would I want Mozilla to look exactly like all the other Windows applications? What's the gain? I suppose I'm not one of those lusers that panic whenever they see a pop-up window saying: 'WARNING! Your computer is currenting broadcasting an IP address, which gives hackers a way to begin hacking your computer!' or an expert on GUI's, but still. It has never bothered me. Windows bothered me when I came from DOS, because everything looked the same. Didn't like it at all. Oh, the humanity. I'm ranting. Please, carry on intelligently.
They'll be out of business? I think that's being paranoid, personally. The recording industry is huge and, like some other huge companies based in the IT market, it wouldn't hurt if they cut back a little. Naturally, these companies would never agree with me on this point, but too much power is always a bad thing, especially when it is centered around money. What's most important is freedom and quality of life, a fact that many seem to have forgotten even in their own lifes. Carreer, power, money, status all seem to have become more important than the basics, which is the struggle to find some degree of happiness in life. Stop controlling us or you will dig your own graves.
Actually, Jesus birthday has nothing to do with December 24th or Christmas, other than that the protestant church used the date of an existing heathen festival to lure more Christians to their cause.
"Star Trek is, after all, a genre franchise and the story lines are held back by certain restrictions of the genre."
I find this to be pure non-sense. Why should a genre be held back by strict rules? Of course, fantasy and science fiction and the likes are inspired by a certain train of thoughts, but that does not mean the imagination should stop at certain bounds; on the contrary, one should always explore new shores and invade them. Complete originality nowadays is hard to come by, but we can always try-- without betraying the genre.
Sure, the boot scripts are much more straightforward than on any other distro. You are *expected* to do everything by hand. But after a few years, you'll kick yourself when everything on your system starts getting old and you have to upgrade your compiler, glibc, libstdc, XFree86, KDE and RPM by hand. All I eventually did on Slackware 7.1 was upgrade, it seemed. Also, now I have this burning urge to compile everything by hand myself and it gets in the way with Debian's apt tools.:) Thanks alot, Slackware!:)
Anyway, you've pointed out the problems with other packaging systems yourself, but apt actually seems to work as it should. And you can still do what you want if you like; just think twice about what it'll do to the system if you'd like to use the tools again.
I also appreciate Slackware's approach, but quite frankly you will pollute your system quite badly over the years as you install all sorts of new stuff by hand. Debian's apt-* tools are brilliant, but that doesn't mean you're pinned down to them. You can still choose to compile certain types of packages yourself, or Debianize them first, but that's a lot of work. Apt-get lets you easily download and install updates and overall, Debian's approach seems sane and doesn't kill the expert's desire to be close to the bare metal.
Halleluja! I totally agree. I just light up when I get a chance to work behind a UNIX machine instead of a Windows machine. It's just boring as hell and kills all my creative input.
So, why don't we set one up? It's easily done and the real problem is filling it with good content and/or building it into a good community. But if enough people are interested, we should definately have a talk.
Really, I remember a milestone (pre-1.0) that had ctrl-tab mapped to switching between tabs. It was the way it was when tabbed browsing was first introduced in Mozilla. Quickly, it was changed and it took some while until I realized they changed it to ctrl-pgup/pgdn. But it actually used to be ctrl-tab. Honest.:)
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Excuse me, but you are wrong. Technically speaking, a shell is what is used to pass commands to the operating system. The graphical user interface in Windows is basically a shell around the kernel and fulfills the duties of a shell.
The grandparent asked a legit question. No need for name calling. I was wondering how Lindows' distributed the source code myself. Now I know.
Debian is just the distribution for you, it seems! There's a reason their stable release is a bit behind, and it's not just the 11 architectures that have to be supported! You'll also love apt/dpkg.
I've also grown used to the mouse wheel...
So what if I use KDE and Mozilla would use all-native GTK widgets? Oh God! My consistency! It's... gone!
I don't care about my curtains and sheets. I always wear black. I hate the majority of the world's population. Consistency really isn't a big deal for me.
I don't see the problem in having an application use different widgets than your desktop environment or some other applications. I mean... come on.
"Oh my God! There's this... weird blue button with curved edges on my screen! What do I do?! What do I do?! It's nothing like my square gray button!"
I don't even find it ugly. It doesn't decrease my productivity. It makes for a nice diversion where everything looks boring and exactly the same otherwise. XUL isn't that slow on my (relatively out-dated) P3-800 machine, Mozilla isn't that bloated... What's everyone screaming about? This has been going on for years, when higher-level programming languages became popular. Face it, assembly is so passe...
I actually like having my Mozilla look exactly the same on Linux and Windows. Why would I want Mozilla to look exactly like all the other Windows applications? What's the gain? I suppose I'm not one of those lusers that panic whenever they see a pop-up window saying: 'WARNING! Your computer is currenting broadcasting an IP address, which gives hackers a way to begin hacking your computer!' or an expert on GUI's, but still. It has never bothered me. Windows bothered me when I came from DOS, because everything looked the same. Didn't like it at all. Oh, the humanity. I'm ranting. Please, carry on intelligently.
Actually, I'd kill myself if I weren't different and might do it anyway, seeing how the world is as it is.
They'll be out of business? I think that's being paranoid, personally. The recording industry is huge and, like some other huge companies based in the IT market, it wouldn't hurt if they cut back a little. Naturally, these companies would never agree with me on this point, but too much power is always a bad thing, especially when it is centered around money. What's most important is freedom and quality of life, a fact that many seem to have forgotten even in their own lifes. Carreer, power, money, status all seem to have become more important than the basics, which is the struggle to find some degree of happiness in life. Stop controlling us or you will dig your own graves.
Actually, Jesus birthday has nothing to do with December 24th or Christmas, other than that the protestant church used the date of an existing heathen festival to lure more Christians to their cause.
Ohhh, the parent, grand-parent and great-grand-parent of this post are *wonderfully* put. :)
:)
I don't like Farscape at all neither, by the way. I suppose it's too empty, doesn't achieve enough for me. Hitchhiker's guide rules.
So if this really is the very first occurrence of the smiley, it will be its 20th birthday in exactly 6 days (19 september).
:-) or similar.
Of course, there's no way of knowing for sure this was its first use; probably scores of people got the idea to use
"Star Trek is, after all, a genre franchise and the story lines are held back by certain restrictions of the genre."
I find this to be pure non-sense. Why should a genre be held back by strict rules? Of course, fantasy and science fiction and the likes are inspired by a certain train of thoughts, but that does not mean the imagination should stop at certain bounds; on the contrary, one should always explore new shores and invade them. Complete originality nowadays is hard to come by, but we can always try-- without betraying the genre.
Sure, the boot scripts are much more straightforward than on any other distro. You are *expected* to do everything by hand. But after a few years, you'll kick yourself when everything on your system starts getting old and you have to upgrade your compiler, glibc, libstdc, XFree86, KDE and RPM by hand. All I eventually did on Slackware 7.1 was upgrade, it seemed. Also, now I have this burning urge to compile everything by hand myself and it gets in the way with Debian's apt tools. :) Thanks alot, Slackware! :)
Anyway, you've pointed out the problems with other packaging systems yourself, but apt actually seems to work as it should. And you can still do what you want if you like; just think twice about what it'll do to the system if you'd like to use the tools again.
This guy must have some drow blood in him! Raid!!
I also appreciate Slackware's approach, but quite frankly you will pollute your system quite badly over the years as you install all sorts of new stuff by hand. Debian's apt-* tools are brilliant, but that doesn't mean you're pinned down to them. You can still choose to compile certain types of packages yourself, or Debianize them first, but that's a lot of work. Apt-get lets you easily download and install updates and overall, Debian's approach seems sane and doesn't kill the expert's desire to be close to the bare metal.
I thought the post was very educational. I learned a great deal about life and its complicated facets.
Ah, fuck Joe Blow from General Motors. He should use OpenOffice.org and stop being a bitch about it.
I've just turned from Slackware to Debian! :) Administrator's dream come true...
Halleluja! I totally agree. I just light up when I get a chance to work behind a UNIX machine instead of a Windows machine. It's just boring as hell and kills all my creative input.
WTF! Sam+Max are back? If the feel remains the same and it looks like a game such as Stupid Invaders it is a must-have!
:( Anybody have a copy lying around that needs reselling?
And I never even played Full Throttle.
So, why don't we set one up? It's easily done and the real problem is filling it with good content and/or building it into a good community. But if enough people are interested, we should definately have a talk.
Really, I remember a milestone (pre-1.0) that had ctrl-tab mapped to switching between tabs. It was the way it was when tabbed browsing was first introduced in Mozilla. Quickly, it was changed and it took some while until I realized they changed it to ctrl-pgup/pgdn. But it actually used to be ctrl-tab. Honest. :)
*Everything* is configurable in Mozilla, just not always in the GUI. And it used to be ^tab, but they changed it. I don't know why.