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Slashback: Segwait, Farscape, Leg-pulling

Slashback tonight with news of the Farscape backlash, an explanation for the slight shipping delay on your hypothetical new Human Transporter, an amusing chapter in the long and boring Nigerian spam book (check out the passport), and some tips on getting Linux on an Xbox. Enjoy! Update: 09/13 00:34 GMT by T : And a late add as well below with some important information for anyone intrigued by yesterday's mention of discarded AT&T microwave towers for sale.

You knew this had to be too good to be true. Joe Ryan from AmericanTower.com writes: "Please note that the information posted Wednesday regarding sites American Tower has for sale is not accurate. American Tower Corporation has a limited number of surplus towers for sale. The list of sites can be accessed through our sites for sale list at http://www.americantower.com/mainweb/SitesForSale.asp. These are the only towers that are for sale. Please also note that these Surplus sites are sold on a strictly "as is-where is."

Thanks for the correction.

If the site you are inquiring about is not on the "Sites For Sale" list, then it is not for sale."

Despite all the lobbying, the wait is on. dgreno writes "Like many other Slashdot readers, I stations signed up with Amazon.com to be notified when the Segway Human Transporter would be available for sale. Today Amazon sent me an email which included the following, "We've recently learned from our supplier that the item you requested to be notified about, Segway Human Transporter (also known as "Ginger" or "IT"), will not be available in the foreseeable future." I guess the sidewalks are safe for a while longer."

Don't they like devoted fans? $nyper writes "I just wanted to let everyone know that there is major backlash against the Sci-Fi channel from fans about the cancellation of Farscape. They appear to have miscalculated the Fans. For the past few days Sci-Fi's main office has been inundated with faxes, e-mails, and phone calls to keep the show alive for its 5th season. CNN Headline news also ran a story on the effort yesterday. What it boils down to is that at $1.5 million USD per episode the greatest science-fiction show on television is too expensive for Sci-Fi to produce. Even the top Executive at the Sci-Fi channel (Bonnie Hammer, Executive Vice President and General Manager), which is one of Farscape's biggest fans is currently only operating in figure head mode and is being made to keep quiet. Most think she would speak out in favor of the show but is worried about the status of her job at the moment. If you have any questions about what you can do to help out, just pop over to Farscape World for the best information. There is also a website setup for detailed up to the minute information about the struggle to save Farscape over at the main Save Farscape site including information being supplied under the table y a Sci-Fi channel mole. :)

After all the coverage Sci-Fi has stopped the construction crews assigned to tear down the sets and have re-entered negotiations regarding the show. The Jim Henson company that is responsible for the show's creation is also currently courting executives from Showtime and UPN about moving the show to another network for the 5th and future seasons."

This will not be made into a Dummies book for a few years yet. dsyu writes "Follow-up to a previous article -- the good folks at the X-Box Linux Project have posted step-by-step instructions on how to install SuSE 8 on your XBox."

The Nigerian Spam saga wends ever onward. An anonymous coward writes "'Mike Aba' and 'Obi Azuka' are the fake names used by a Nigerian criminal who tried to defraud me. As soon as I read the "DEAR FRIEND" of the first e-mail, I knew it was a scam, but for fun I decided to mislead the criminal into believing that I was falling for his scam. You can read the exchange of e-mails here. This type of fraud is known as the Nigerian Fee scam. Unfortunately, gullible people do fall for this scam. Hopefully this page will alert more people and make criminals like "Mike" less successful."

264 comments

  1. I hope this isn't true by ahecht · · Score: 1

    I was really looking forward to the Segway -- I hope this is just some amazon.com script that autoexpires prerelease items after some long period of time (it's been over a year now).

    1. Re:I hope this isn't true by junkgrep · · Score: 4, Informative

      Latest CNN story says that "While it will still be a year to 18 months before consumers can purchase the Segway,"

      So it looks like this is legit. What could be going wrong? Testing poorly in marketing? Needs to be redesigned to be more sexy, or easier to learn how to use?

    2. Re:I hope this isn't true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Costs as much as a car without any of the benefits?

    3. Re:I hope this isn't true by ahecht · · Score: 1

      I've heard rumors out of Manchester that DEKA has been testing a six-wheeled segway that can climb stairs (combining the Segway with Kamen's earlier invention, the iBot wheelchair). Maybe they decided to hold off on the current version until the six wheeler is available. Check out this thread for more info (and pictures).

    4. Re:I hope this isn't true by drDugan · · Score: 2

      I was really looking forward to using my Segway on crowded sidewalks and yelling 'Comin' through!' with a horn like those used on airport terminal vehicles.

      oh joy.

    5. Re:I hope this isn't true by aonaran · · Score: 3, Informative

      I also got this e-mail

      Greetings from Amazon.com.

      You recently received an e-mail from us regarding the Segway Human
      Transporter (also known as "Ginger" or "IT"). This e-mail was sent
      accidentally by an automated system and the information in it is
      incorrect.

      In fact, there is no new information on Segway's
      availability. Consumer versions of Segway Human Transporters are
      currently being piloted in various communities throughout the U.S.
      The Segway HT is expected to be released to the general consumer
      market in 2003.

      We apologize for the confusion. We will keep your e-mail address on
      our list of customers who wish to be notified about this item.

      Sincerely,
      Amazon.com Customer Service
      http://www.amazon.com

    6. Re:I hope this isn't true by 216pi · · Score: 1
      This is what I received just a couple of minutes after the first (above mentioned) mail:
      Greetings from Amazon.com.

      You recently received an e-mail from us regarding the Segway Human Transporter (also known as "Ginger" or "IT"). This e-mail was sent accidentally by an automated system and the information in it is incorrect.

      In fact, there is no new information on Segway's availability. Consumer versions of Segway Human Transporters are currently being piloted in various communities throughout the U.S. The Segway HT is expected to be released to the general consumer market in 2003.

      We apologize for the confusion. We will keep your e-mail address on our list of customers who wish to be notified about this item.

      Sincerely,
      Amazon.com Customer Service http://www.amazon.com
    7. Re:I hope this isn't true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
      I haven't received this email from Amazon.com, but here's a copy anyway:

      Greetings from Amazon.com.

      You recently received an e-mail from us regarding the Segway Human Transporter (also known as "Ginger" or "IT"). This e-mail was sent accidentally by an automated system and the information in it is incorrect.

      In fact, there is no new information on Segway's availability. Consumer versions of Segway Human Transporters are currently being piloted in various communities throughout the U.S. The Segway HT is expected to be released to the general consumer market in 2003.

      We apologize for the confusion. We will keep your e-mail address on our list of customers who wish to be notified about this item.

      Sincerely,

      Amazon.com Customer Service http://www.amazon.com

    8. Re:I hope this isn't true by DustMagnet · · Score: 1
      What could be going wrong?

      Don't tell me people still believe the hype. The Segway has to compete against bicycles, roller skates, and skateboards. I've never seen why it has enough of an advantage to make up for it's price and maintenance costs.

      IMHO, the whole thing was a way to get some money out of investors.

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    9. Re:I hope this isn't true by Oliver+Wendell+Jones · · Score: 2

      6 years ago my father suffered a fairly serious stroke which left him without the use of his left arm, and limited use of his left leg. He either uses a wheelchair or one of those sit-down scooter things, both of which are awkward to use, and require quite a bit of help to get in or out of a vehicle. The Segway looks like it could be very beneficial for him (he can stand, but walks very slowly). I hope that they get the bugs worked out and start shipping them soon.

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    10. Re:I hope this isn't true by junkgrep · · Score: 2

      I have no idea whether it will be successful or fail, and neither do you. Personally, my guess is that decrepit boomers in cities will be the niche market for something like this: as they start to get old and creaky and it takes longer and longer to walk anywhere, this thing will let them scoot to the store and back four times as fast. Whether that sort of market is big enough to support the company really remains to be seen. Here in the US, it seems as if any product that doesn't grab a slice of teen/young adult demographic has a rocky future, regardless of how well it does anywhere else. We'll see.

  2. Showtime? UPN? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Showtime didn't really want to keep Stargate SG1 (that's a big reason it's on Sci-Fi now), and Stargate SG1 is doing significantly better in the ratings than Farscape, so I don't see how they'd want Farscape. And UPN... well, sometimes it is like the island of misfit toys, but other than Buffy, most show transplants haven't done too well... and I'm still bitter they cancelled 7 Days.

    Every Farscape fan should send Sci-Fi $20. That'd help they pay for the whole season if they had a million fans.

    1. Re:Showtime? UPN? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I love stargate, i've also seen the set, because its filmed in vancouver. Its a really cool show.

    2. Re:Showtime? UPN? by Sheetrock · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I really liked Farscape, but I don't suppose I can really blame Sci-Fi's initial reaction. As you allude to, there is a limit to how much one station can push a particular genre, and while Stargate didn't really do it for me they're still rerunning Lexx and playing Roddenberry's Babylon 5 on the channel.

      I kind of hoped that HBO would pick Farscape up so that they could push the shock factor a bit farther without resorting to crap like the "Coup by Clam" episode. I'm worried that if Sci-Fi backs down and hangs on to it the show is going to completely burn out anyway... it feels like at least as far as this season has gone they're on the plot decline already, which is unfortunate because there is still so many concepts they can toy with when their world doesn't have to bear any resemblance to the world as we know it (like Star Trek: Voyager did when they were stuck in the Alpha Sector).

      On the other hand, it is cool to see that the fans can occasionally get their way. Your plan intrigues me, although I think a better deal would be to pay Henson $40/fan and get the DVDs for the next season directly shipped to us instead of broadcast. I'd do it.

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    3. Re:Showtime? UPN? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, you are seriously misinformed.

      "Roddenberry" had nothing to do with Babylon 5.

      Farscape isn't saved yet.

      And finally, it's the frelling Sci Fi Channel, you frelnick! They're supposed to show sci fi shows. There's no limit to how far they can push their genre - that's the very reason the Sci Fi Channel exists! To show sci fi shows! Not lame "psychic" crap like that "Crossing Over with John Edward" garbage which has no place on Sci Fi at all....

    4. Re:Showtime? UPN? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I don't know about SG doing "significantly" better. The show had a large following from the movie and the TV series which was shown on broadcast TV.

      Many people don't watch Sci Fi, or don't have access to it, but were willing to follow their show to a new network.

      Farscape has no such advantage, and moreover, has virtually no exposure outside the Sci Fi Channel. It does not help that SFC did nothing to promote Farscape, and has not even deigned to show reruns regularly.

      Farscape can hardly build a larger fanbase when it is not even being broadcast by SFC for half the year, and only available once a week the other half.

    5. Re:Showtime? UPN? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Crossing over seems pretty Sci-Fi to me... well, maybe better classed with Fantasy, but the two are often mixed.

    6. Re:Showtime? UPN? by pajor · · Score: 1

      I'm still bitter they cancelled 7 Days.

      I'm bitter about them canceling Nowhere Man.

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    7. Re:Showtime? UPN? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      I don't know about SG doing "significantly" better. The show had a large following from the movie and the TV series which was shown on broadcast TV.

      Well, let's see... Since it's debut, it's been the highest rated series on Sci-Fi each week, and set the record (2.0) for Sci-Fi for an episode with its finale a couple weeks back (Farscape did have the record at 1.9 for its finale last year). The season's average rating has been 1.7, which is up 42% from when Farscape had the same slot last year. Plus Stargate's rating has been growing each week, which is always seen as a positive.

      Sure, being an established series helps, but when you enter your 6th year and lose a major cast member and change networks (with a smaller budget), you face different struggles. Stargate has done so well that they're considering doing a seventh season, when the original plan was to end with this series, and try to launch a spin-off and possibly a movie.

    8. Re:Showtime? UPN? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, and why they take "Everybody' Love Shamiqua" off the air, dog? Is UPN crazy? That show was the bomb!

    9. Re:Showtime? UPN? by Monkey-Man2000 · · Score: 1

      Keep in mind that they moved Farscape from 9 => 10, and Stargate has more recently been at 9. Henson et al. said they lost younger viewers with the time change, and I know the time change tricked me into watching more SG than I wanted. (It's not bad, just nowhere near as good as Farscape.)

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    10. Re:Showtime? UPN? by Cpt_Kirks · · Score: 1

      And finally, it's the frelling Sci Fi Channel, you frelnick!

      Smeg off!

    11. Re:Showtime? UPN? by brainthought · · Score: 1

      I'm still extatic they cancelled The Secret Life of Desmond Pfeiffer. Made an excellent, obscure reference for another short lived show, Clerks: The Animated Series. With Farscape and Battlebots gone, all they have to do is get rid of Junkyard Wars, Monk, Stargate SG-1, and most of Cartoon Network's Adult Swim, and I'm getting rid of cable... Oh, and by the way. So no more Farscape, and SG-1 is wrapping up in a year, maybe two... So I guess Sci-Fi channels whole flagship "Sci-Friday" is just going to be what? The Dead Zone? Maybe they can bring back that really crappy Twilight Zone rip-off they used to have before Dead Zone... Grrr... Nevermind me, I'm still pissed from when Sci-Fi canned Mystery Science Theater 3000.

    12. Re:Showtime? UPN? by Golias · · Score: 1
      I'm with you on that one. Nowhere Man was probably the best-kept secret on TV, and the best espianage drama since The Prisoner.

      I would feel a little less bitter about its cancelation if somebody would release the one season that was made as a DVD box set. The season finale was actually a good one to go out on.

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    13. Re:Showtime? UPN? by AWhistler · · Score: 1

      I used to watch SG-1 regularly on Showtime. But ultimately I had to stop because I couldn't justify paying my cable company just to get one channel. I was extremely happy when they moved SG-1 to Sci-Fi. I finally had another reason to watch Sci-Fi for an original show instead of reruns. I stopped watching Farscape when Virginia Hey left the show (Zhan(sp)). However, now that SG-1 is there I started watching Farscape again. To me the jury's still out on Farscape. While I fully support anything that Jim Henson and his company does due to their track record (Labyrinth, Dark Crystal, Yoda, Muppets, Sesame Street), I just can't get too worked up about Farscape being cancelled.

    14. Re:Showtime? UPN? by LionMage · · Score: 1

      A couple points:

      • Voyager was stuck in the Delta quadrant, not the Alpha sector. They were trying to get back to the Alpha quadrant, where Earth (and Starfleet) is located.
      • Babylon 5 was J.Michael Straczynski's baby, not Roddenberry's.
      I personally disagree that Farscape is in a plot decline, although I'm a bit skeptical of the move to include Scorpius in the crew of Moya. Then again, it does open up all kinds of plot possibilities, and we no longer have to deal with the hokey neural clone in John Crichton's head business.
  3. Re: Segway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I want a solar powered Segway with extra big tires for driving in sand dunes.

  4. Farscape... by Bartab · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The only reason I buy HBO is for the series shows (Sopranos, Oz, etc) ... the reason I canceled Showtime when they lost Stargate was because of no series that interested me. I'd be sure to resubscribe if Farscape moved there.

    I really wish more serial shows would move to commercial free tv, I'd be happy to pay for it.

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    1. Re:Farscape... by d.valued · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Farscape is one of the greatest sci-fi series ever, in the same tier as The Outer Limits, Star Wars (Eps 4-6), B5, Star Trek (original series and Next Gen), Hitchhiker's Guide, and Doctor Who.

      Each has a somewhat unique point, but Farscape's was most off-kilter: the characters live in a realm defined more by the fantastic than the scientific. The characters are of strange colors and shapes, there are robots and sentient bacteria and living ships, and an almost magical feel permeates the screen.

      Farscape is a sci-fi show that should be destined to be a classic, and the reason why is because it focused much much more on the fiction than the science.

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    2. Re:Farscape... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dear Sir,

      I happened to be browsing Slashdot and read your comment. Because you specifically have asked for it, we are going to buy this "Farscape" show. You are very important, and we recognize that, and will base our entire lineup on you. How about a "powerhour" follow up with Battle Bots. I hear that's up for grabs.

      Yours Truly,

      Mr. Moe N. Eebags.
      VP of Programming

      Showtime Networks Inc.

    3. Re:Farscape... by macrom · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm not sure when you cancelled Showtime, but Odyssey 5 is a good sci-fi show. Hell, my wife is addicted to it, which says a lot. I've never seen Farscape, so I can't compare, but O5 certainly has my attention.

      In fact, I've been wondering why I haven't seen more about it on Slashdot. Perhaps no one knows about it, or maybe it truly is disliked by the sci-fi crowd.

    4. Re:Farscape... by evilviper · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Farscape started off great, but then it went downhill. Now, 90% of the show consists of sex between characters, petty bitching and bickering. The other 10% is the thin, weak story lines

      Ooooo, let's have a character knocked unconscious, as a flimsy pretense to make the show into a cartoon!


      The show, now, is no where near as well written as it was for most of the first season. There are some occasional ringers, but there's too much crap to make it worth watching.
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    5. Re:Farscape... by Happy+Monkey · · Score: 3, Informative

      "Jeremiah" is pretty good, too. And it's done by the guy who made Babylon 5, to boot.

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    6. Re:Farscape... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would do the same, except for me it would require getting a satellite dish. Neither UPN nor showtime are available on cable where I live, but I would make it happen just to watch Farscape. Period.

    7. Re:Farscape... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I couldn't disagree more. Farscape is destined for greatness for the simple reason that the storylines go in directions that are contrary to what happens to most heroes in sci-fi. The hero at the end of each season loses, characters die, and relationships often don't work out. The stories may use science fiction and seem fantastic, but they are almost all plausable (save the chick that can walk on walls and the recent chiana special power bit). The reality of the show's outcomes to situations are what brings me back for more.

    8. Re:Farscape... by jpt.d · · Score: 2

      Only wish I could agree...

      I found Farscape to be too far out there, almost as wierd (but not as good) as the Far Side comic.

      Just too wierd for me maybe.

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    9. Re:Farscape... by nanoakron · · Score: 1

      I wish I had mod points, because this insight deserves them.

      -Nano.

    10. Re:Farscape... by Rashan · · Score: 2, Interesting
      The only reason I buy HBO is for the series shows (Sopranos, Oz, etc) ... the reason I canceled Showtime when they lost Stargate was because of no series that interested me. I'd be sure to resubscribe if Farscape moved there.

      Actually, Farscape is the only reason I have Sci-Fi. If they continue with the cancelation, I'll likely be dropping it. If HBO or whomever picks it up, I suppose I'll be putting my money there instead.

      Of course, now that I think about it, the cable companies usually make you purchase channels in packages, these days. Basic gets you hardly anything, Standard gets you up through TNN or something, and the next tier up gets you the rest. And in order to get HBO or any of the other movie channels, you need to have at least Standard, if not the digital cable tier these days. Just another way for the cable company to pile on extra fees...

      woah, this turned into a rant somehow... go figure.

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    11. Re:Farscape... by ahaning · · Score: 1

      Now, 90% of the show consists of sex between characters, petty bitching and bickering. The other 10% is the thin, weak story lines.

      You've just described Friends!

      As my mom says, "It's incestuous!"

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    12. Re:Farscape... by the_other_one · · Score: 2

      All I get from the link is sorry these pages are only for viewing in the US or something like that. (My redirection limit has been exceeded so I can't go back and give the exact text).

      What exactly is Odessey 5?

      And why is it such a security risk that us subversive Canadians must be kept from it

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    13. Re:Farscape... by evilviper · · Score: 2

      Okay, I should have added the fact that most of them are strange looking creatures who act quite oddly wh.... oh well, never mind.

      There is a difference though. Farscape had real potential, and the first few shows were incredibly good. Of course, I don't watch Friends either.

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    14. Re:Farscape... by Steve+Luzynski · · Score: 1

      Then you're missing out on Odyssey 5, which is now the only reason I keep Showtime.

    15. Re:Farscape... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm so depressed I can't even think of the troll I was going to post

      please let me die

    16. Re:Farscape... by Thornae · · Score: 2

      What exactly is Odessey 5?

      And why is it such a security risk that us subversive Canadians must be kept from it


      Well, I can't tell you what it is, 'coz I've not really read much yet, but I can tell you that Google is your friend (you want to be clicking on those cached links if, like me, you're outside the US =).
      Oh, and here's a few more links about it...

      HTH, etc... (=

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    17. Re:Farscape... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I *LOVE* Farscape, but I'm not going to pay double the cable bill I pay now just to see it on Showtime. It's a great show, but it isn't worth $40+ a month *just* for that show alone.

      I don't see what the big deal is.. 1.5 million bucks an episode? There are a lot of sitcoms (ie, half hour shows and not a full hour like Farscape) with little talent and no originality that dish out six and seven figure salaries to a single *actor* on the show.

      I mean.. come on.. 1.5 million for a show like Farscape? That's pretty damn good.

    18. Re:Farscape... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I ran into Odyssey 5 a while back and I've followed every episode since. It is a fantastic sci-fi series, well-written and smart as hell. The show is so strong because of two reasons: great writing and clearly defined main characters with wonderful chemistry. Not to give away the plot, but basically a wonderful organics vs. computer sentients, with a "singularity" type-event in which a particular computer sentient destroys the earth in an instant.

      Great fun. Check it out!

    19. Re:Farscape... by powerlord · · Score: 2

      Actually, Farscape is the only reason I have Sci-Fi. If they continue with the cancelation, I'll likely be dropping it. If HBO or whomever picks it up, I suppose I'll be putting my money there instead.

      I agree with you 100%.

      My wife has been after me to cut back, for instance revert to "basic cable". As soon as I found out about the cancellation I told her and then said that I didn't need "extended services" (the package that has Sci-Fi channel). I will likely subscribe in January for the end of the season, and then unsubscribe when the series ends.

      My wife was in shock (she claims I'm a TV junkie but thats the only show I watch on Cable that I'd really miss). She also asked if there was anything she could do (email/fax/letter). She isn't a sci-fi fan but liked the show (she would watch it with me).

      And they claim their not targetting outside their core audience. I wonder what spouces and others are getting drawn in.

      BTW don't forget to let the cable company know why you are dropping the package (ie. because Sci-Fi channel canceled Farscape. This will get back to them and will put pressure on Sci-fi Channel).

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    20. Re:Farscape... by mdwebster · · Score: 1

      Ummm, I can only recall 3 or 4 instances of sex between characters (at least onscreen or having been mentioned). You may be right in that a larger percentage of the show is character interactions, but some people like that aspect of things.

      The cartoon episode was weak, imo, but only the cartoon parts, the rest was pretty good. I like the dark fantasy world they've built, it's nowhere near hard sci-fi but the characters have depth and the situations they are put into are the most intense I've ever seen in a television series. I really get a sense that the character's actions have consequences unlike a lot of other shows.

      What's the last show you've seen with extended torture scenes of the main character or where time travel was the cause of a major genocide where once a great peace treaty was signed (and not vice versa)? Scorpius alone is probably the scariest, and the best developed, bad guy I've ever seen in any film media. Ruthless, efficient, duplicitous, but with an ambitious goal that's definitely in a gray area in terms of morality.

    21. Re:Farscape... by macrom · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That's really odd that Showtime keeps non-USians from viewing the site. It really is well done with all kinds of Flash goodies (if you don't mind that sort of thing) that help you track the back-story.

      I'll give you and the other SD-ers the background :

      A space shuttle, the Odyssey, is up in orbit. The crew consists of Robocop (Peter Weller. Sorry, Pete -- had to give that reference!), his 22-year-old son, a news reporter, a geneticist and a couple of other astronauts. The news reporter is filming a special from the shuttle when something weird happens -- they lose connectivity with the Earth. One of the astronauts looks out the window and sees the Earth imploding. Oh crap, better strap ourselves in! Anyhow, the shuttle survives the implosion and starts drifting around when they run out of oxygen -- almost. Naturally, some alien with a fancy-shmancy ship picks them up and saves them. He doesn't know why the Earth imploded, but he's seen it happen all over the galaxy. In order to find out what's what, he tells them that he can send them back in time -- but NOT their physical bodies. Only their "information patterns" can go back -- their souls/consciences/whatever-you-wanna-call it. So poof, they're 5 years in the past and they need to figure out why the earth will blow up in the future.

      The show is great, IMO, and has some wonderful characters. It's also neat to see how these people try to do things slightly differently the second time around. For example, the news reporter mentioned above has a son who died of cancer in the first timeline. In this new one, she tries to convince doctors that her seemingly non-sick son will die of cancer in the near future. Lots of fun subplots like that.

      The show's technical plots focus on a lot of different science. The Sentients, artifical lifeforms that are believed to be behind this destruction, use all sorts of ways to subvert humans into doing their dirty work : gene therapy, Internet attacks, particle accelerators, religion, computer AI, nanotech, etc. Obviously things get slightly distorted since they only have 45 minutes to explain things, but for the most part it's refreshing to watch a sci-fi show that takes place in the real world, using current technology (real and theoretical) to flesh out the plots.

      One more thing, we find the acting to be top-notch. Peter Weller is wonderful as the take-no-crap head of this group of 5. Sebastian Roche plays a great cocky geneticst with a penchant for sex. Yadda-yadda. To sum it up, we've yet to see a character or actor on the show that made us say, "Send him/her back to acting school."

      Poke around on Google or follow the links someone else posted. If you can find a way to visit the Showtime website, do it. It's fun to poke around in there.

    22. Re:Farscape... by NukeIear · · Score: 1

      I agree as well, the only reason I have cable after the cancellation of Farscape and Lexx (yes, I liked Lexx, shutup) is the Daily Show. That alone is enough to warrant the $30/month for cable. I e-mailed SciFi and told them the same.

      And to agree once more, my girlfriend liked the "show with the white girl", she forgot the name but remembered the cool powder white alien girl.

    23. Re:Farscape... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0



      You indicated there were no good shows on Showtime. You need to take a look at Odyssey 5. I am really enjoying it. I'm a huge fan of both Stargate and Farscape, so perhaps you will like O5 too.

      DGC

    24. Re:Farscape... by macrom · · Score: 2

      Another suggestion I forgot about : Usenet. alt.binaries.tv or groups like that may have MPEGs or similar of Odyssey 5 episodes. If you can at least find the first episode, which is more like a Showtime movie at over 90 minutes, I think you'll be hooked.

    25. Re:Farscape... by georgewad · · Score: 1

      Peter Weller is NOT Robocop. Well, he is, but he's really Buckaroo Bonzai.

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    26. Re:Farscape... by jkusters · · Score: 1

      The problem with great programming on premium channels is that it's programming on premium channels. Not all consumers are eager to add a set-top box just to get one or two programs. Personally, my cable wiring for my A/V system is complicated enough without the extra splitters and such I'd need to get all of my A/V gear talking with the set-top box. Nor are all fans interested in shelling out the extra bucks. I really do not want to see shows like Farscape jump to Showtime because no matter how much I like the show, I don't like it enough to pay the extra money and get a set-top box just to watch it. When this "Odyssey 5" jumps to broadcast or non-premium cable, I'll take a look, much like I did with Stargate SG-1 (which I have started to watch on Sci-Fi). But if Farscape jumps to SHO, it will lose at least 3 regular viewers (myself and my housemates).

    27. Re:Farscape... by Vuarnet · · Score: 2

      Sebastian Roche plays a great cocky geneticst with a penchant for sex.

      A great cocky geneticist who likes sex. Man, sometimes it's just too easy to make fun of other people's comments here at /.

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    28. Re:Farscape... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I sure hope they sell Farscape to a regular network channel, because some people arent able to get high quality cable. I think upn or fox should buy the show, because they have alot of money and would be able to support it more than any other network could.

  5. You mean, they finally did focus groups for It? by Eneff · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Did someone finally figure out that very few people would be willing to pay so much for the product?

    Did someone finally figure out that those who are most likely to use it, those without a car, usually don't have the 3000 to pony up for one of these things? (Excepting a few people in Boston and NYC, but the sidewalks are so crowded as it is! not to mention trying to take it on a subway...)

    1. Re:You mean, they finally did focus groups for It? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can you say bicycle?

    2. Re:You mean, they finally did focus groups for It? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A bicycle takes work. And in NYC is a good way to get killed by a taxi or pothole (whichever you didn't look out for last).

  6. if Farscape moves to Showtime by UnspeakablyLisa · · Score: 2, Funny

    we have
    Sexscape: Newer, Harder, and Faster

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    1. Re:if Farscape moves to Showtime by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not necessarily a bad thing... mmmm, hot alien chicks in porn movies... if only we could get 7 of 9 in on the action as well. Perhaps a sex scape and star sex cross over.

    2. Re:if Farscape moves to Showtime by 0111+1110 · · Score: 1

      Actually this would be a big improvement and probably alot cheaper. Change the target market to adults, not young children. Increase Gigi's salary enough to get her to do the show completely naked. You wouldn't need any sex per se. Just some goofy plot device where all the clothing on the ship is permanently destroyed and cannot be recreated. Of course, it would be nice if they would keep the guys' clothes on. But all the women would be stark naked. I think you'd increase the ratings just a bit.

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  7. Actuallym the Seqway is on track. by fruity1983 · · Score: 5, Informative
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    1. Re:Actuallym the Seqway is on track. by junkgrep · · Score: 2

      CNN disagrees 18 months to a year. That's what they said LAST year.

    2. Re:Actuallym the Seqway is on track. by great+throwdini · · Score: 2

      This just in ....

      Fucked Company doesn't really care one way or the other, it's just another reason to post pictures of Pud on Ginger and develop their trolling skills.

      In other words, does anyone really think any media source has *the* inside scoop on Segway production?

    3. Re:Actuallym the Seqway is on track. by xXIMercutioIXx · · Score: 1

      thregister is just a jumble of pure rumors mixed with pure lies and speculation.

    4. Re:Actuallym the Seqway is on track. by AlistairMcMillan · · Score: 1

      Yesterday I posted a comment about the TheRegister.

      After seeing the picture at the bottom of the news article linked above, I take it all back. TheRegister is the most accurate news site I've ever seen. Their fact checking skills are so l33t they make it seem like they haven't done any at all.

      What age is Andrew Orlowski? How can he really believe this? Royal Guards on Segways.

      Ohhh kayyyy...

    5. Re:Actuallym the Seqway is on track. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You've just described Slashdot.

  8. Nigerian David Lee Roth by chimpo13 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Here's where a couple guys respond to Nigerian scam pages as David Lee Roth and say they'll send the money. It's pretty good getting Nigerian scammers to go to the airport to meet them holding a sign that says "David Lee Roth" on it.

    Sorry it's on geocities, but hey...

    http://www.geocities.com/scamjokepage/

    1. Re:Nigerian David Lee Roth by Maserati · · Score: 1

      That's really funny. Really, really, really funny.

      Specifically,

      http://www.geocities.com/scamjokepage/KelvinTuwa Sc am.html

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    2. Re:Nigerian David Lee Roth by gmiller123456 · · Score: 1

      To polish these Nigirian guys off, tell them that you saw a story about your wife's murder on TV, and that they have read your e-mail on the computer you left behind. They know you're headed to Holland, and they consider the Nigerian an accomplis.

  9. Scapers unite by jjohn · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you like Farscape, it is easy to show your support for the show by going to Save Farscape. You can help by doing something as simple as logging on to irc.scifi.com and lurking in #farscape. It's not too late for Farscape. We are having an impact. This is a populist movement and you can be a part of it.

    Peace out.

    1. Re:Scapers unite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Has a letter writing campaign ever actaully succeeded in bringing back a canceled show? As far as I know it has never actaully worked. Does any one know if this is right, if not what shows have been saved by legions of fans?

    2. Re:Scapers unite by KILNA · · Score: 2, Informative

      Uh, the original Star Trek series perhaps? Canned after 2 seasons, but given a third after a huge letter-writing campaign. Don't you know your geek history boy? :)

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    3. Re:Scapers unite by jmccay · · Score: 3, Interesting

      There is a petition going around to have the management of Sci-Fi channel removed because of the mass appearences of non-sci-fi shows, movies, and the cancelation of some of the older classics. The petition can be found here. I think everybody should sign this. Maybe we can get someone who knows something about sci-fi in charge!!!

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  10. The Register says Segway A-OK by Timmeh · · Score: 5, Informative
    http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/54/27098.html

    Amazon goofed up, there's actually no new news regarding segways and when they'll be available.

    Amazon.com blamed its email robot for the error. "A small number of customers were e-mailed in error by one of our automated e-mailing systems today. In actuality there is no new information about Segway availability. We of course will let that small number of customers know that they should disregard the e-mail."
    1. Re:The Register says Segway A-OK by guttentag · · Score: 2
      Amazon.com blamed its email robot for the error.
      Amazon must have been testing those new autonomous daemons. When they start notifiying your customers that you won't be able to ship their order before you know you won't be able to ship their order, it's time to sack your robot.
  11. And Debian on Xbox too! by MrHanky · · Score: 5, Informative
  12. the nigerian scam thing.. by stratjakt · · Score: 3, Insightful

    funny sure, but did he not commit a felony by providing the 'fake passport'?

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    1. Re:the nigerian scam thing.. by brooks_talley · · Score: 4, Insightful

      IANAL, but my expectation is "no." I imagine the fake was created with photoshop, so the question is "Is creating a photoshop image of a fake passport illegal?". To answer that, I'd ask "Is creating a photoshop image of a fake murder illegal?" or "Is creating a photoshop image of a speedometer reading 200mph on a public road illegal?"

      I think most folks would agree that an image of a thing is not the thing. Of course, there's the whole "simulated child pornography" thing which goes the other way, but it's unclear how far that will fly in the courts. And, fake passports being much less of a hotbutton issue than child porn, I daresay this guy can sleep well at night.

      Now, trying to *use* the image for anything would be a whole different story.

      Cheers
      -b

    2. Re:the nigerian scam thing.. by s20451 · · Score: 2

      IANAL either, but creating a legible image of currency is illegal in Canada. There was a bank which had to pull a series of ads because they contained images of Canadian money ...

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    3. Re:the nigerian scam thing.. by chill · · Score: 1

      That used to be illegal in the U.S., too. The specific case was when Alice Cooper released the album "Million Dollar Baby" and he was sitting in a pile of $100 bills. They made him pull the album cover in the U.S.

      Since then, they've gotten a bit more relaxed. It depends on the quality of the image, and if you try and use it, etc.

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    4. Re:the nigerian scam thing.. by chill · · Score: 1

      Not unless he tried to use the passport. Kids still make "passports" in elementary school as projects.

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    5. Re:the nigerian scam thing.. by Patrick · · Score: 2
      I think most folks would agree that an image of a thing is not the thing. Of course, there's the whole "simulated child pornography" thing which goes the other way,

      On April 16, 2002, the Supreme Court (of the US) overturned the "simulated child pornography" ban. So even that is once again legal. Not only that, but that case should serve as a tidy precedent to protect fake murder images and fake speedometer images.

      However, the passport thing is different. He went beyond simulating a crime to trying to convince someone the image was a real passport. That's fraud. He might have a defense if the judge who tries his (hypothetical) case is a Trekkie. :)

      IANAL, in the US or in Nigeria.

    6. Re:the nigerian scam thing.. by sconeu · · Score: 2

      Looks like he forgot to fake the signature. Doesn't *look* like he signed it James T. Kirk!

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    7. Re:the nigerian scam thing.. by Kredal · · Score: 3, Insightful

      IT actually has to do with the size of the image you're making.. the image has to be less than 75% scale or more than 150% scale from the original.

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    8. Re:the nigerian scam thing.. by orkysoft · · Score: 1

      Years ago, I saw an ad which had the colours of the five guilder and ten guilder bills swapped. (Since it had a five guilder bill on it, it must've been from before 1990, when the five guilder coin was introduced.)

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    9. Re:the nigerian scam thing.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The US Secret Service investigates wire frauds and credit card fraud stuff. My opinion? If it ever got that far, the "passport" would probably wind up taped to a cubicle wall. After all, the guy sent the fraud info to whatever government authorities as soon as he could.

  13. Nice document by EvilBastard · · Score: 4, Funny

    I must admit I did like their
    photoshopped Passport they provided.

    But - they got his place of birth wrong ? I thought he was from Iowa, he only worked in outer space ?

    1. Re:Nice document by stratjakt · · Score: 2, Funny

      Should have drowned the wife in a pool, just like the real life Kirk.

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    2. Re:Nice document by NanoGator · · Score: 2

      "I must admit I did like their
      photoshopped Passport [haxial.com] they provided.

      But - they got his place of birth wrong ? I thought he was from Iowa, he only worked in outer space ?"


      I predict an amusing story from customs soon.

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    3. Re:Nice document by MadAhab · · Score: 1
      Ouch! But you are correct, it should not have been in the bathtub with a lead pipe, it should have been in the pool with a rope. ACID MOTHERS TEMPLE.

      Just think, it wouldn't take many people jerking the scam artists around to completely waste their time to the point they can't focus on the real gullibles.

      Weirdly, the Nigerian scamsters only seem to use addresses culled from websites; they haven't gotten any of my e-mails well known to the East Asia Toner Cartridge Syndicate.

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    4. Re:Nice document by Telecommando · · Score: 1

      Kirk was (or is it will be?) born in Riverside, Iowa according to Gene Roddenberry

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    5. Re:Nice document by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The JT Kirk passport reminds me of some kid who got busted here trying to use a fake ID to get into a night club.

      The problem - 15 year old eurasian using a Bruce Willis photo (circa Die Hard) on a Queensland Australia Dirvers Licence.

    6. Re:Nice document by grummerX · · Score: 1
      Reminds me of the song "Banditos" by the Refreshments. The chorus goes:
      Well give your ID card to the border guard
      Now your alias says you're Captain Jean-Luc Picard
      Of the United Federation of Planets
      'Cause he won't speak English anyway
      CDNOW has soundclips in Real Audio or Windows Media if anyone's interested.

      Can't remember if the video actually used Jean-Luc's picture or not.

      -- grummerX

    7. Re:Nice document by Tjp($)pjT · · Score: 1

      Well, the 1999 issued ones weren't punched through and they expire 10 years after issue normally.

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  14. I really hope B Hammer gets the boot... by McDoobie · · Score: 1

    After the way she/they screwed up the Battlestar Galactica revival I seriously doubt anyone on the Sci-Fi channels staff is worth keeping around.
    The Farscape hyjinx is just the tip of the iceberg.

    Just my .02 worth.

    1. Re:I really hope B Hammer gets the boot... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The fact that they did not revive BG is actually to the credit of the management.

  15. hmm by taernim · · Score: 1

    The transcript of the Nigerian emails here looks to be garbled.

    I am impressed that anyone who can deciphered that actually then sent their money to people! ;)

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  16. Re: Segway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I want a rocket powered Segway with spikes on the extra large tires for driving over SUVs.

  17. best SPAM email conversation ever by troutman · · Score: 5, Funny
    This email exchange, between the now world famous Xach (a former cow-orker at the dearly departed MINT.NET) and someone claiming to be from Togo, must rank among the all time best SPAM exchanges. No, really -- Read and prepare to ROFL.

    1. Re:best SPAM email conversation ever by NetJunkie · · Score: 2

      Hah... Xach is funny. I know him from WAY back on IRC. Always was a bit off....

    2. Re:best SPAM email conversation ever by Telemakhos · · Score: 1

      Wow. The part about the ponies was precious. I think I may have found a new hobby...

    3. Re:best SPAM email conversation ever by Paul+03244 · · Score: 1

      ashamed urinal cake?!? TOO MUCH!

    4. Re:best SPAM email conversation ever by EvlG · · Score: 2

      Wow NetJunkie....haven't heard that name in a while...

    5. Re:best SPAM email conversation ever by mistered · · Score: 1
      Damn, that has to be the funniest thing I've read in years! After the first few weeks of All Your Base I never thought it would be funny again, but the link proved me wrong.

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    6. Re:best SPAM email conversation ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow! Zach looks just like Steve Jobs!

    7. Re:best SPAM email conversation ever by Lovejoy · · Score: 1

      How many cows could an orker ork if an orker could ork cows?

    8. Re:best SPAM email conversation ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for posting that! Haven't laughed so hard in ages. The part about the pig latin or whatnot, HA! woke up the neighbors.

    9. Re:best SPAM email conversation ever by aelvin · · Score: 1

      This is the funniest thing I've seen on the 'net since Engrish. Plus, it manages to combine the usual trio of Steve Jobs, frozen ponies breathing through their manes, and pig-latin in a way that makes the combination seem fresh and unusual.

      I gotta go tape up my ribs. Ouch. Thanks for the post. Ouch.

    10. Re:best SPAM email conversation ever by NetJunkie · · Score: 2

      EvlG! Hey man. Drop me an email. A lot of the people from before are still around.

    11. Re:best SPAM email conversation ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Xach has a good exchange, but I think this is the best I've seen.

      http://www.scamorama.com/bigmac.html

  18. I get a dozen of these a day by Russ+Nelson · · Score: 2, Flamebait

    You're excited about getting a Nigerian scam email?? I must get a dozen of these a day. Once in a while they get creative: they're from Zim, or South Africa. You'd think with the volume of the emails they're sending out that *everybody* with email must have gotten dozens of these offers by now.

    Basically, the scam market is a commons. There's nobody to prevent them from using up the commons with their letters, and so they have.
    -russ

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    1. Re:I get a dozen of these a day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Every time I get a new one, I write back apologising that I can't help but I invite them to contact the following people who I'm sure would be willing to assist.

      I include a (growing) list of all the other names and email addresses that the Nigerian scamsters have used when they send me their solicitations.

      I also sign them up for a dozen or so single-opt-in mailing lists so they get lots of jokes, porno, online gaming and penis enlargement offers.

      I think it's nice to help your fellow man when you can, don't you?

  19. a better variation of the "scamming a scammer" bit by nyet · · Score: 5, Funny

    I want my three dollars!

    Long but funny. Make sure to read to the end.

  20. Re: Segway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    I want a Segway made out of butter so that I can drive over my breakfast before eating it.

  21. Funniest Nigerian Scam table-turning I've seen yet by phr2 · · Score: 5, Funny

    is at Buddy Weiserman's site. The complete, extensive email exchange with photos is shown there. He actually got the scammer to travel to another country and run around flapping his arms like a chicken! "Buddy Weiserman"'s name was of course inspired by Budweiser beer, but the scammer didn't figure that out either.

  22. Realtime revolution. by KILNA · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'm a regular of the #farscape channel on irc.scifi.com, and it has been incredible. Here's a java chat link for the lazy. Random stars and makers of the show have been showing up there at least once a day, sometimes several visits throughout the day, to give encouragement to the fans. The channel grew to consistently hold hundreds of users, maxing out at 700 at a time. Here's a quick rundown of some of the news converage that we've gotten:

    E! Online
    TV Guide (again)
    CNN
    Wired
    BBC

    Its turning out to be a story not just about a bunch of SciFi geeks crying about a lost show, but a protest against corporations directing culture through actions they don't have to justify. I mean, they killed their #2 show after having already made the commitment to the year. I don't consider myself the protesting type, especially over a TV show... but I wrote a letter, linked to it from my site and sent a few emails because I think the people who make and watch the show aren't out of line to demand what was promised to them.

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    1. Re:Realtime revolution. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ummm... why do I keep getting disconnected when I try to enter the #farscape channel (using X-Chat)? Too many users... wrong continent (I'm in the UK)?

    2. Re:Realtime revolution. by KILNA · · Score: 1

      Most likely too many users. Try #moya as a backup channel, and keep trying on #farscape.

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    3. Re:Realtime revolution. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So why can I get in via the Java applet on the website?

    4. Re:Realtime revolution. by KILNA · · Score: 1

      Beats me. Maybe Java doesn't suck as bad as we thought? :)

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    5. Re:Realtime revolution. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, can't be. :)

      Thing is, using X-Chat I get into the room... see a bit of chatting and then after a few seconds I see: Remote host disconnected. Like I'd been spotted by an admin bot and kicked off... but what the hell for?

    6. Re:Realtime revolution. by glwtta · · Score: 2

      #2 keeps popping up - what's considered to be their #1 show then?

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    7. Re:Realtime revolution. by Robotech_Master · · Score: 2

      Stargate SG-1, according to CNN.

      By the way, CNN Headline Hotwired covered the story again tonight. A link to low-res video captures of all four segments is on the Save Farscape site. You really only need to watch #2 and #4, as they're kind of repeats of each other.

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    8. Re:Realtime revolution. by Robotech_Master · · Score: 2

      700 at a time? At the moment, it only has about 180, but I can't get connected. I pop onto the channel using an IRC client, and then the server closes connection on me. I reconnect automatically, pop into the channel...and the server closes connection on me.

      Lather, rinse, repeat. How frustrating.

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    9. Re:Realtime revolution. by KILNA · · Score: 1

      Disclaimer: That was second-hand information, I wasn't actually in there at the time. I do think they put limits on the number because of server problems from the weekend.

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    10. Re:Realtime revolution. by squaretorus · · Score: 2

      Its turning out to be a story not just about a bunch of SciFi geeks crying about a lost show, but a protest against corporations directing culture through actions they don't have to justify

      Directing Culture??? Thats a bit OTT is it not. Corporations are not about promoting culture, they are about making money. Period. If the show made money in sufficient quantity they would keep it alive.

      Personally, I'd rather they bin it than continue on a cheapo budget.

    11. Re:Realtime revolution. by Kintanon · · Score: 2

      Isn't the number of viewers directly related to how much money you make on a show? Why aren't they charging advertising rates appropriate to the popularity of the show?

      Kintanon

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    12. Re:Realtime revolution. by squaretorus · · Score: 2

      Farscape Episode Production Costs: $1.5M
      Advertising Revenue: $3.0M
      ROI 100%

      ST:TNG Repeat Production Costs: $.1M
      Advertising Revenue: £1.0M
      ROI 1000%

      Return on Investment is better on the shitty repeat. Farscape doesnt have to lose money to be economically unattractive.

    13. Re:Realtime revolution. by Kintanon · · Score: 2

      Gee, *I'll* take over the show then... Yeesh... give me last years Advertising Revenue for the show, and I'll take it from there...
      It just can't fathom how making 1.5million a year in profit is unattractive, what are they going to replace the show with? more reruns? I guess there is a higher profit margin on reruns... Heck! They could run reruns of Farscape, keep the 3 millin in revenue and have only 1% of the production cost! It's brilliant! Even if they are assholes.

      Kintanon

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    14. Re:Realtime revolution. by ces · · Score: 1

      "Crossing Over" production costs $100,000
      Advertising Revenue: $2M
      ROI 2000%

      The Pseudo-science crap is also a much easier sell to the sort of people who watch "Touched by an Angel", "Jerry Springer", "As the World Turns", and professional wrestling.

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    15. Re:Realtime revolution. by squaretorus · · Score: 2

      give me last years Advertising Revenue

      Thats the whole point here. You don't get the revenue until you've sunk the production costs on making the show. For another network to take this on they need confidence that they have the audience, and that they CAN make the show.

      What if, having made half a series ($9M) your audience turns out to be 20% down on expectations, your now making 130% not 200%. And thats just on the first show out, next week could be down ANOTHER 20% on expectations because you expected it to grow and it didn't... this is risky stuff.

      The audience could be UP 20%, then your a commissioning genius and you get babes and porches sent to your home. Down 20% and your wondering wether to leave the show on your CV.

      SF is particularly risky because most people don't watch it. You make a show like 'The worlds scariest DIY bikini babes' and pretty much anyone but Ned Flanders will have a look at it. You have potential access to 95% of the audience. With SF its probably more like 10 to 20% - you won't get many sticky flickers.

  23. X-tream segway by AxelTorvalds · · Score: 1

    That's a bummer, I had aspirations of doing some mods to my segway and putting it on a halfpipe to do some tricks, maybe get in to the x-games or something.

  24. WTF? by NanoGator · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Farscape was saved and Futurama wasn't? WTF?!

    Anybody else find that a little weird, especially considering that a number of Fox's moneymaker shows ended?

    (don't bother me with 'Futurama was saved too!' posts, the RERUNS were saved, there's still no word on new episodes.)

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    1. Re:WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Farscape isn't saved yet. Just potentially saved. Don't jump to conclusions until they actually sign binding contracts, and actual money changes hands.

    2. Re:WTF? by nanoakron · · Score: 1

      That might just be because futurama is nothing more than a collection of unamusing episodes consisting of 'lets-lets-try-this-animation-technique' whilst pounding on about social mores and values.

      I never laughed out loud to futurama in the same way I did to family guy, farscape or the simpsons.

      Futurama only survived because Matt Groening created it. It was never very original, inventive nor groundbreaking. And the simpsons just turned into a cash-cow after futurama began - a load of esoteric 'oh, let's just end it here' episodes without direction, that look like they were written as they were drawn.

      Groening's work became very tired, very soon after season 8 of the simpsons (i think that's when futurama began - over-hyped and undeserving).

      So, farscape and many other shows deserve to survive, whilst futurama dies in order to give Groening the kick in the ass that he sederved - telling him to return the humour to cartoon shows, and to leave the moral plays to late-night programming, and 'law and order'.

      -Nano.

    3. Re:WTF? by NanoGator · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Futurama only survived because Matt Groening created it. It was never very original, inventive nor groundbreaking"

      It was no less 'ground-breaking' than Farscape. In both cases we have recycled plot lines, cliched romance, absurd situations, a setting where everything in space is weird for no real interesting reason, and poorly animated creatures.

      The difference is that Futurama is a parody. Heh.

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  25. Arrgh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fake? It's a fucking fake?

    Goddammit!

  26. Nigerian Scammers by GigsVT · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't really think these are people you want to fuck with. There are stories floating around about people who were beated or killed after travelling to meet these scammers. I wouldn't be surprised if they had ties to organized crime.

    One thing they do not seem to be is stupid. Sure, they suck at english, but they aren't going to ever give you their real info. I'm sure they get some patsy to go get the money transfers for them, using high quality fabricated documents such as the ones linked to. They probably wind up scamming those people too.

    This guy has written an e-book that is supposedly about his experience baiting the scammers and going as far as to actually follow it through to the end. I have not read it.

    You have to think for a minute... If these guys were really that stupid as to give you real info about them just because you trail them along for a little while, don't you think law enforcement would have stopped them by now?

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    1. Re:Nigerian Scammers by bashibazouk · · Score: 1

      Law enforcement...in Nigeria...Riigght....

    2. Re:Nigerian Scammers by Ilgaz · · Score: 1

      Why? I heard they throw Intel Xeon's to which they bust on online scam. Isn't it law? ;-)

    3. Re:Nigerian Scammers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have to wonder that the people who fall for this obvious ploy are so stupid that they probably don't have enough money to make it worthwhile. The Nigerians are ripping off scratch ticket addicts, trailer park residents, etc.

    4. Re:Nigerian Scammers by bashibazouk · · Score: 1

      My bad. I forgot about the famed and feared Nigerian internet crimes unit.

    5. Re:Nigerian Scammers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      If these guys were really that stupid as to give you real info about them just because you trail them along for a little while, don't you think law enforcement would have stopped them by now?

      Which law enforcement would that be? US law enforcement? Despite the rumors you sometimes hear, they don't have jurisdiction over there. Nigerian law enforcement? The scammers have to be either family or business partners with what passes for law enforcement in Nigeria, or else they'd be dead. Dictators and their minions don't like competition.

    6. Re:Nigerian Scammers by netsharc · · Score: 2

      Insightful, but if they're supposed to be smart, wouldn't they get it if they're being reverse-hoaxed by James T. Kirk or Mr. Big Mac from McDonald's Corporation?

      Of course that means they haven't been exposed to that much western/popular culture.

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  27. Re:Firefly vs. Lexx & damn you sci-fi channel! by lugonn · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Your post reminded me of something...the fact that Fox's new show "Firefly" seems to be ripped off from the "Lexx" format.

    "Spaceship full of misfits, engage in raunchy space meyhem"

    Firefly has a Pilot - Lexx had a pilot, Stanly Tweedle: Deputy Assitant Back-up Courier

    Firefly has a tuff guy - Lexx had a tough guy, Kai: Divine Assasin

    Firefly has a whore - Lexx had a whore, Xev & Zev: Love Slave from B3K

    Firefly has girl in a box - Lexx had a girl in a box(well, girl in a plant) - Lykka: Carnivorous Humanoid Space Plant

    Firefly has a spaceship named after a bug - Lexx had a spaceship that IS a bug, Lexx: The Most Powerful Weapon of Destruction in the Two Universes

    I'm bitter cuase Sci-Fi cancelled Lexx, damn you Sci-Fi Channel! Plus Jos Wheaton kinda fsck'd up Buffy too, so I hope he doesn't screw up Firefly with morals and ethics and stuff. Keep it to the sex and aliens, I get enough preaching from Star Trek.

    Jos should've called the TV buffy version, "Daria The Vampire Slayer", cause Sarah just doesn't convey the stuck-up cheerleader role well. Buffy the movie was funny, Buffy the TV show is too serious, though slightly campy.

  28. And on the 9th September.. by superpeach · · Score: 4, Funny

    Mike finally got enought money out of people to pay to get his CAPS LOCK KEY FIXED

    1. Re:And on the 9th September.. by mystik · · Score: 1

      Nah, he just upgraded from an Apple II to the IIe.

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  29. Re:a better variation of the "scamming a scammer" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    There's another funny variation here -- even manages to capture webcam images of the scammers.

  30. 'Scapers, Yessss by vsprintf · · Score: 1

    I just wanted to let everyone know that there is major backlash against the Sci-Fi channel from fans about the cancellation of Farscape. They appear to have miscalculated the Fans. For the past few days Sci-Fi's main office has been inundated with faxes, e-mails, and phone calls to keep the show alive for its 5th season.

    Sometimes flames are good. The Farscape Bboard has been hosed for days. Do It! Assert your preference for SciFi with at least a little intelligence.

  31. Those genetic algorithms... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Always figure out the right answer, but no one knows exactly how they did it.

  32. Finished her off in the tub? by LordKronos · · Score: 1

    That Nigerian scam is hysterical, but did anyone else think it would have been even funnier if "James" killed his wife in the pool, rather than in the tub?

    1. Re:Finished her off in the tub? by PeteyG · · Score: 1

      That Nigerian scam is hysterical, but did anyone else think it would have been even funnier if "James" killed his wife in the pool, rather than in the tub?

      No.... that's pretty damn sick. Nerine Shatner was a real person, for fuck's sake.

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    2. Re:Finished her off in the tub? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, no. Why don't you have some fucking respect for William Shatner who lost his wife, YOU INSENSITIVE FUCKING ASSHOLE!

      Christ. No wonder so many people in the world hate fucking Americans. People like you comprise them.

    3. Re:Finished her off in the tub? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      No.... that's pretty damn sick. Nerine Shatner was a real person, for fuck's sake.

      How do you know for sure? Did you ever fuck her?
      I got a nice piece of ass from her but at the time she was waterlogged and smelled of chlorine. Rather chilly too.

  33. Headline News is covering Farscape now! by Monkey-Man2000 · · Score: 1

    ~8:45 EST

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  34. Xbox chips by Anthony+Boyd · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The company I work for, SST, has a chip that was at one point supposed to be in the Xbox. That fell through, but the chip still works. So even though my company only deals in volume -- maybe 100,000 chips an order -- we've been flooded with calls from script kiddies wanting to chip-mod the Xbox. I guess our chip will let those in Europe play US content, among other things. The Sales people here are amused. The latest was a kid who wanted "5-10 sample chips for a school project." Uh-huh.

    1. Re:Xbox chips by IIRCAFAIKIANAL · · Score: 2

      The latest was a kid who wanted "5-10 sample chips for a school project." Uh-huh.

      Funny yes, and most likely a modder, but friends of mine used to request free chips all the time when we were in college and they really did use them for school projects. I personally co-designed a digital voltage meter that plugged into a gameboy, so who knows what that guy could be doing that requires a mod chip :)

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    2. Re:Xbox chips by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The chip is a standard flashrom, it's not a proprietary xbox part.

      I guess you work in the mailroom.

  35. Long-Line towers by JoeyLemur · · Score: 1

    It only makes sense, really. I know that AT&T still uses some Long-Line sites... the Cherryville, NJ site, for one, is still very much in use for other purposes.

  36. Tower Sale by crow · · Score: 1

    American Tower may not be selling too many of those sites, they're not exactly honest in saying "these are the only towers that are for sale." They should qualify that to be the only towers that they are selling. I expect that there are others being sold by other parties. If you're seriously intersted in one in a given area, you can do some research and find where they are and who owns them.

    For the most part, though, what's interesting is that there are a bunch of unusual structures out there, and in some cases they are surprisingly affordable. And even if you don't buy one, it's fun to think of all the different things you could do with such a site.

    1. Re:Tower Sale by Dan+Crash · · Score: 2

      They almost all have fantastic views, too. The idea of getting one for a cabin seems really appealing. (Too bad the buildings don't have windows.)

      I can't help but wonder how helpful the American Tower staff will be if I call, though. I get the sense that they want to sell these towers to carriers and other businesses, not to the average John or Jane Doe.

      BTW: Anyone have any idea where the rumored $25,000 average price tag came from? Because if $25,000 is the average, then that means a significant number are probably selling for less than $25 grand. I don't want to overpay. : )

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    2. Re:Tower Sale by R2.0 · · Score: 3, Informative

      "American Tower may not be selling too many of those sites, they're not exactly honest in saying "these are the only towers that are for sale." They should qualify that to be the only towers that they are selling. "

      Isn't that like calling a car salesman a liar when he tells you that they don't have a certain model and you reply "Well it's for sale SOMEWHERE!"

      I actually have gotten in touch with them. Their problem is that the link in the original story is a link to the map of EVERY site American Tower owns, not just the surplus ones they were selling. Oh, I'm sure they will sell you one of those non surplus towers - but your gonna pay a shitload more than $25K, since they are working towers and American Tower makes money off them.

      These are cash on the barrelhead, WYSIWYG, no deposit no return transactions. Demo the tower because you don't want to pay for the upkeep of the signal lights? Do it yourself. Find some surplus equipment that you want out of the bunker? Better start lifting weights.

      If you're still interested, download the spreadsheet, then go to Mapquest and plug in the latitude and longitude. Most of these are in the MOFN, and there towers aren't tall enough to be useful, so that's why they are selling them as surplus.

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  37. The nigerian scam wouldn't work on me.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You want to know why? I simply would NEVER help out a black person. And you probably think this is a troll. :) Only race traitors got scammed in my book.

  38. where things go from here (homebuilt eps) by perfessor+multigeek · · Score: 1

    Well, Star Trek's third season was the big granddaddy of this sort of thing. There's no question that Desilu would have shut it down sooner without fan reaction.
    Other then that, I don't know. I'm somehow under the impression that there are other examples, but none are coming to mind.
    Personally I'm waiting to see the first fanbuilt eps of long-running shows. Hmmm.
    1.) Take a few hundred stills of each character in various moods, facing assorted ways, in various lighting, use to build synthetic actor. Do the same thing with voices/sounds.
    2.) Do the same for the sets.
    3.) Supplement with other footage of the same actors/type of sets from other stuff. (the more this happens the more "clip art" will be out there for cut and paste.)
    4) Build plot parser to find running themes.
    5.) Start building episodes.

    Can anybody out there with three or more years of experience in Strata work or equiv. tell me with a straight face that there aren't already a hundred talking Kirk heads out there? Same for Tasha Yar, Seven of Nine, etc., etc., etbloody cetera.
    I give it four years before the first homebuilt episodes with the following characteristics come out:
    )-( Original plot and dialogue
    )-( Visually convincing enough that a non-techie may mistake it for live action.
    )-( Is accepted by 10+% of fans within two years as part of the full canon.
    and here's the messy one
    )-( Fifteen minutes or more of playing time (doesn't include title sequence or other filler)

    And when that day comes this MPIAA/RIAA/Napster stuff will seem about as trivial as the Macarena.
    Personally I'm glad that I dropped my acting career *early* (one major movie casting call was quite enough, thank you very much).
    -Rustin

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    1. Re:where things go from here (homebuilt eps) by bari · · Score: 1

      Reminds me of the completion of the Radioactive Man movie after Milhouse runs away...

      "Seamless, eh?"
      "You're fired."
      "... and with good cause!"

  39. /. Strikes again? by Strenoth · · Score: 1

    Seems we may have crashed the chat oom over at sci-fi. :) either that, or they shut it down 'cause they were sick of us.

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  40. Re: Segway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I want a Segway made out of hot grits so I can drive it all over Natalie Portmans Sausage Wallet!

  41. Saving Farscape the right way by Proc6 · · Score: 1

    Can someone please explain to me the mentality of "Save __(insert cancelled show here)__". It's getting cancelled because the viewership is too low. Anyone that signs a petition, or hangs out on Save Farscape website or mails letters are obviously existing viewers, and probably only hardcore ones at that. Existing viewers aren't the problem. What there needs to be is a "Tell your friend about Farscape" drive. Then beg the networks to re-examine the viewership numbers a few episodes later. It still won't work, but at least it's a step in the right direction.

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    1. Re:Saving Farscape the right way by forkboy · · Score: 2

      You're absolutely incorrect. It's getting cancelled because Sci-Fi doesn't want to spend 1.5 million per episode IN SPITE of how many people watch. Farscape is the 2nd most popular science fiction show on television. Shows with that kind of budget are usually on wealthier networks. Hopefully they'll decide it's worth it or sell the rights to another network so the show can continue. I'd love to see Showtime pick it up...no commercials!

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    2. Re:Saving Farscape the right way by Proc6 · · Score: 1

      Um, I dont see how that makes me incorrect. They would happily dump 1.5 million per episode into it, if they made their money back. And how does a show make money back? Advertisers. And how does a show get advertisers? Audience! IF they had triple the size audience, they'd make their money back. See how easy that is?

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    3. Re:Saving Farscape the right way by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      I'd have though so too, but there have been a number of shows saved (e.g. Roswell) by a mass support from the fans.

    4. Re:Saving Farscape the right way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know about you, but I don't need to watch the commercials during Farscape (or any other program) to know about the new Dell Poweredge servers, or the latest Kotex tampoons...

  42. But corporate customers have Segways! by megabyte405 · · Score: 1

    I just got back from a visit to Walt Disney World in Florida, and in Epcot, there was a staff member roaming around between Innoventions (basically like the first thing you see once you're past the golf ball aka spaceship earth) on a Segway. It even said Segway down between the wheels. Another member of my party took a picture of me standing next to this guy on the segway, with his hands completely off the handles. It was very cool. Later, I saw someone selling souvinirs from one. I guess Disney has the buying power to get them long before the general public

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  43. Segway info? by cant_get_a_good_nick · · Score: 2

    I heard this thing has trouble with potholes and curbs. Anyone have info on this? The website had absolutely zero, just that it will be available with snow tires. I was looking at the specs, it weighs 95 lbs (they call it portable, I'd like to see some 100 pounder try to put it in their trunk) and supposedly it can take a 250lb person and 75 lbs of cargo. I'd love to see what 420lbs crashing down a 4inch curb with essentially zero suspension travel looks like, I'd volunteer for testing that, though I'd wear a mouth guard to stop me biting my tongue off. Even if you stopped and got off to walk the segway off the curb, thats potentially 170 pounds of segway and cargo you have to move up and down a curb. And they say this thing will eventually tow a 300lb capacity trailer? Yikes. Either you and your trailer ride the sidewalk and block half the people, or you ride in the street and dodge cabs. I'd love to see what 700 or so pounds would tax those motors with. And then theirs San Francisco and other hilly cities...

    My favorite Segway quote:
    Many people believe the Segway will revolutionize the ways people get hit by cars.
    --- Tina Fey, SNL Weekend Update

    1. Re:Segway info? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You weigh 420 Lbs? You fat slob!

      Methinks you should try walking some more instead of stress testing this thing!

      Wait a minute... You're the comic guy from the Simpsons, aren't you?!?!?!

    2. Re:Segway info? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm waiting for the Segway version that works in Montreal winters; frigid temperatures, snowbanks, slippery surfaces on sidehills, howling winds and road salt on everything in sight.

      Let them stabilize that (and keep the salt out of the electronics)!

    3. Re:Segway info? by drMental · · Score: 1

      This is what I have found out about the Segway:

      I Model going for $5300 + 147 if you want a bag on it.
      E Model just under $6000 includes three bags that can hold weight up to 75lbs., if empty you need balast.

      The units have a follow mode, where you can walk infront of the unit and it will follow (duh). Guess that is how you get it up curbs and such. It does feature some suspension though, so I assume it can handle bumps and such pretty good.

      Both models available immideately to corporate and/or government customers.

      You have to attend training either back east or if you buy multiple machines you can have training on site. Traning cost $250.

      A "train the trainer" program available to people that has completed the traning and has logged 30 hours on the unit. Free of charge. This will allow the person to train others.

      After completing the training, unit will take 3-4 weeks for delivery.

      As I understand there are still mounds of legal issues surronding the use of the Segway in pulic, I believe that is the reason it is only available to corp/gov customers.

      If a coporate unit is used in public, the liability rest on the company.

      I have read accounts of people using the Segway on uneven surface (gravel, going up one wheel on ramp and one off) and the report is that it is _extreemely_ stable, someone compared it to standing on a podium others said it felt just like it had four wheels.

      Anyhow, that is about all I know at the moment regarding it.

      dr//\//\

      P.S. they dont accept credit card, only check or money transfer. I'm sure they would accept a wad of cash as well.

  44. Seems a bit pricey... by Arcaeris · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm a big Farscape fan, but at $1.5 million per episode, I'm surprised that the Sci-Fi channel could keep it going for 1 season, let alone 4. I mean, looking at Sci-Fi's other proprietary shows - First Wave and Lexx - you would think they had a minimal budget. I'm quite surprised by this figure.

    I don't know much about TV show production costs, though, so (is this)/(is this not) a lot of money for one episode? I get the feeling that it really is, though all the stuff in the show is evidence of where it goes.

    Realistically, I don't think the advertisements during Farscape have been pulling in anything close to $1.5 million. The rest has to be coming from them, so no wonder they want to cancel it.

    1. Re:Seems a bit pricey... by Monkey-Man2000 · · Score: 1

      From one of the above poster's links.

      But the show's producer, Jim Henson TV, said the Australian-shot "Farscape" cost only about $1.5 million an episode, which is at least $500,000 an hour less than the production cost of the UPN primetime sci-fi series "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" and "Enterprise."

      I don't know about you, but I think it's better than Enterprise, and I won't comment on Buffy. :)

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    2. Re:Seems a bit pricey... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The proper term is "Loss Leader".

      The idea is that you push a product or service barely breaking even (or at a loss), in order to draw customers, sell secondary products/services, etc.

      This sort of technique can be seen in alot of places. Microsoft's methodology with the XBox, Computer hardware manufactuers, and so on.

      I honestly believe that if Sci-Fi took Farscape seriously, they'd swallow the 1.5 mil, and like it. People turn on Sci-Fi for Farscape. Put Farscape in an NBC-esque "Must See TV" block, and you can make money, even if Farscape is still a loss.

    3. Re:Seems a bit pricey... by -=Zak=- · · Score: 1

      Maybe SciFi and some others should try a subscription model... Like HBO only cheaper because they still have ads (maybe less of them, though). I mean, I'd be willing to pay $2/month more for my cable/satellite in order to have a SciFi channel that continues to make new episodes of Farscape, Invisible Man, and Stargate SG-1 - even if they have commercials in them.

      Am I the only one?

    4. Re:Seems a bit pricey... by stephenbooth · · Score: 2

      These days the big money in TV production comes from syndication and mechandising

      I know from talking to managers in local SF&F genre shops that Farscape merch just does not sell well. The magazines tend to go to pulp. It just doesn't work. If you compare it with shows like Buffy, Charmed, Angel &c where the merch flies off the shelves it just can't compete.

      Syndication tends to kick in around Season 4-5 of a series, the networks like to have at least 100 episodes so they can show them often without starting over too often. I guess that when Sci-Fi started hawking it around for syndication they got turned down or the networks weren't prepared to pay as much as Sci-Fi wanted. The producers of shows use the money from current series to fund production on new series, this means that if a show isn't pulling in the cash then they have to pull the plug.

      To be absolutely honest I hated Farscape, I hope that Sci-Fi will use the money saved from not trying to save that show to make better shows.

      Stephen

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    5. Re:Seems a bit pricey... by Rucker · · Score: 1

      I believe the production cost is 1.5mil, but the Sci-Fi Channel is only paying half that. Can't seem to find the link, but I will if I find it.

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  45. Segway email a mistake by joe52 · · Score: 3, Informative

    According to this article on news.com the Amazon email about the Segway was inaccurate:

    http://news.com.com/2100-1040-957746.html?tag=fd_t op

  46. Nigerian fraud story reminds me of one thing: by caffeinated_bunsen · · Score: 2
    So give you ID card to the border guard
    Your alias says you're Captain Jean Luc Picard
    Of the United Federation of Planets
    Cause he won't speak english anyway

    Everybody knows that the world is full of stupid people
    So meet me at the mission at midnight
    We'll divvy up there
    Everybody knows that the world is full of stupid people
    Well I got the pistol
    So I get the Pesos
    That seems fair

    Wrong captain, but close enough.

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  47. Never mind the man behind the Amazon-curtain... by bluephone · · Score: 1

    Amazon frelled up. Segways are on schedule.

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  48. I Stopped Expecting Much from Sci Fi Years Ago by TheWanderingHermit · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've noticed there are several types of networks. There's the type that just runs programs to make bucks. There's nothing wrong that -- businesses are created to make money and so people can make a living. Then there's the networks that are run by people that like what they're doing. For example, TVLand. Maybe I'm wrong, but when one of the VPs of a network writes books about the types of shows his network airs, I figure he's into the product. Oxygen seems similar -- it's focused on women and it seems like the people involved with the network are in tune with what they show. This type of network has an integrated and obvious image that viewers can identify with -- they will often leave their TV on that network or go to it first before checking other networks.

    USA, on the other hand, to me, never seemed to be about anything but profit. They seemed to pick shows only for ratings, not because the people running the network were interested in a particular type of show or because there was any emotional motivation -- all they ever seemed to care about was profit. This kind of network, at least to me, always seemed to have no other identity or image other than "Aren't we cool with these cool shows? We've got the top ten," or something like that.

    While Sci-Fi has an image, it has seemed to me for a long time that the network was about money, and nothing else. That the people behind it were doing SF, but that the endeavor was more about money than the subject matter. I really liked The Invisible Man -- for once there was a show about an invisible man that wasn't contrived -- it didn't always boil down to "We're in trouble and the only thing that can save us is invisibility." It actually had interesting characters and a complex world. I understand it was making the numbers in the ratings, but still canned.

    I stopped watching Sci-Fi years ago EXCEPT for shows I could record and watch later. I got fed up with 4 minute commercial breaks. I was frustrated with watching Hercules or Xena re-runs (I didn't watch them when they were first aired). Remember, both shows have an overall story arc and the characters change. Sci-Fi started with airing episodes in reverse order and, later, when they were airing the shows daily, they'd cut them off at the end of the quarter when their schedule changed -- without reaching the series end. When they started re-airing the shows, I started watching again and -- guess what? They cut them off before the end of the series and at the end of the quarter again!

    If these guys (the Sci-Fi staff) were running NBC in the late 1960s, let's face it, Star Trek would have been killed after 2 seasons (I know -- with the 3rd season, that may have been a blessing!). Look at other classics -- not SF, but Dick Van Dyke was cancelled after year 1, then the producers talked them into keeping the series and it had a great 5 year run overall and was as profitable as a TV show can be. Decisions like this can not always be made based on the numbers, but at Sci-Fi, it is, has been, and always will be about nothing but the numbers.

    I stopped watching Sci-Fi several years ago. A friend talked me into I-Man, and let me see his tapes of the show each week. I do watch Stargate, but when that ends, I won't bother with Sci-Fi. I'm tired of 4 minute commercial breaks. I'm tired of getting into a show and seeing the re-runs cut short. I'm tired of getting into a show and seeing it cancelled before it's ready to go.

    USA networks doesn't care about any show. All they care about is the bottom line. I've seen episodes of Farscape and find it impressive, but I'll be damned if I get involved with any more shows on Sci-Fi. It's clear to me they dont' give a tinker's dam about the viewers/fans. Only the buck.

    Farscape will be much better off if it can move to Showtime and be the 3rd show for Sci-Fridays.

    1. Re:I Stopped Expecting Much from Sci Fi Years Ago by extrasolar · · Score: 1

      I agree. Especially how they first butchered up the Star Trek reruns. A lot of people were looking forward to this. I am at least glad TNG reruns are on TNT (almost primetime too).

    2. Re:I Stopped Expecting Much from Sci Fi Years Ago by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 2

      "Dick Van Dyke was cancelled after year 1, then the producers talked them into keeping the series and it had a great 5 year run overall"

      When Cheers went on the air it started with some of the lowest ratings for any show. Guess where it ended up?

      I suspect people like this (the network execs) are cut from the same cloth as the Decca record agents who turned down the Beatles. It takes people willing to take risks and with vision to run these companies, not just accountants.

      --
      It is by the juice of the coffee bean that thoughts acquire speed, the teeth acquire stains. The stains become a warning
  49. segway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Segwait? What about segway? What happened to those things? Future of travel my ass.

    1. Re: Segway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      DEAR FIEND

      i have recnetly secured a large consignment of solor powered segways with extra big wheels.

      SCAN YOUR PISSPORT AND I WILL BE ABLE TO SEND IT TO YOU.

      COMMANDER SULU
      NIGERIAN SECRET POLICE

  50. Re:a better variation of the "scamming a scammer" by Paranoid · · Score: 2

    But you did not answer my question in regard to whether I need to travel to The Congo. I saw the movie "Congo" and it was very frightening. I would be afraid of the gorillas if I travelled there.

    Oh man, that's classic. =)

    --
    Paranoid
    Bwaahahahahaa.
  51. Number of Microwave sites, by state by Alien54 · · Score: 3, Informative
    You too can have your own industrial grade Lightning Rod, as these are likely on very high hill tops. Perfect for Budding mad scientists.

    As seen in the Excel Spreadsheet

    • AL - 05
    • AR - 11
    • AZ - 04
    • CA - 31
    • CO - 06
    • CT - 02
    • GA - 12
    • ID - 01
    • IL - 17
    • IN - 02
    • KS - 16
    • KY - 04
    • LA - 07
    • MI - 19
    • MN - 06
    • MO - 09
    • MT - 09
    • NC - 03
    • ND - 14
    • NE - 05
    • NM - 11
    • NV - 14
    • NY - 13
    • OH - 26
    • OK - 09
    • OR - 04
    • PA - 12
    • SC - 02
    • SD - 01
    • TN - 01
    • TX - 72
    • UT - 02
    • WA - 06
    • WV - 02
    • WY - 02
    --
    "It is a greater offense to steal men's labor, than their clothes"
    1. Re:Number of Microwave sites, by state by dbirchall · · Score: 2
      Bummer... nothing out here in Hawaii.

      Okay, okay, yes, I know. Spacing them 50 miles apart is a lot harder when all you've got is a bunch of funky-shaped little landmasses in the middle of the ocean, 2300+ miles from the nearest continent. Oh well.

      Of course, we have our own collection of cool toys on a hill to play with... almost makes up for it.

    2. Re:Number of Microwave sites, by state by Dan+Crash · · Score: 2

      Anyone have any idea why there's so many towers available in Texas? 72 is a lot.

      --
      He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.
    3. Re:Number of Microwave sites, by state by Scrybe · · Score: 1

      Because Texas is BIG. duh.

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    4. Re:Number of Microwave sites, by state by Dan+Crash · · Score: 2

      Alaska is BIGGER. Alaska has zero. Duh yourself.

      --
      He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.
    5. Re:Number of Microwave sites, by state by Dino · · Score: 2

      Alaska is not within 50 miles of any other state. Double-duh yourself, duh-head.

      --
      That's not what I meant.
    6. Re:Number of Microwave sites, by state by tdye · · Score: 2

      sheesh... use your head. Alaska is bigger but it's mostly empty. Texas is huge AND relatively populated throughout most of the state.

    7. Re:Number of Microwave sites, by state by Dan+Crash · · Score: 2

      I replied here and thought you might be interested.

      --
      He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.
  52. Don't put Linux on the X-Box. by rice_burners_suck · · Score: 1

    Those theiving marketers at Microsoft are getting exactly what they want. Ok, so they can't sell you the priveledge of licensing their crappy software products because you're a Linux geek, so instead, they'll sell you a piece of garbage hardware product. Sure, they might SAY they don't want hackers messing with the software on that thing, but what they really WANT is for hacking X-Boxes to be the next big fad.

    Microsoft generates trash products and makes zillions upon zillions of dollars by selling them to people who have no choice because no other system will get the job done, due to the nature of Microsoft's unethical and illegal business practices over the past 20 years or so. The X-Box is a successful attempt at taking over the video game market and putting all the competition out of business. Next, they'll hit up another market, and before you know it, your dishwasher will be made by Microsoft and your money will have In Microsoft We Trust with Bill Gates' picture where George Washington's used to be. Don't support those evil people by installing perfectly good software on their garbage piece of hardware.

    1. Re:Don't put Linux on the X-Box. by Wedge1024 · · Score: 1

      Just nevermind that M$ won't make money from just selling XBox consoles, for they are sold at a loss...

      --
      Time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so.
  53. James T. Kirk by Scrameustache · · Score: 3, Funny

    First /. posts a story on how Star Trek isn't original enough, now they have framed captain Kirk for murder!
    For shame!

    Slashdot editors have a Star Wars bias... ;- )

    --

    You can't take the sky from me...

    1. Re:James T. Kirk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Star Wars fans seem a little dumb too. You know, like wrestling fans.

  54. courting death? by Lepruhkawn · · Score: 1

    Stupid Americans have been bilked out of thousands of dollars,
    lured to Africa and (as described in this state department pdf) murdered.

    Not saying you're necessarily courting death by jerking a spammer's chain but you might want to consider that some of these Nigerian fraudsters are serious thugs.

    Would you make prank calls to Furio?

    --
    Jesus saves....And takes 1/2 damage.
    1. Re:courting death? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes.

      And then I'd cut him.

    2. Re:courting death? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Would you make prank calls to Furio [hbo.com]? You ever seen the move called The Jerky Boys? Funniest damn sh*t I've seen in years... I'd definitely call Furio and ask: "What's up sizzle chest!"

    3. Re:courting death? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Would you make prank calls to Furio [hbo.com]?

      You ever seen the movie called The Jerky Boys? Funniest damn sh*t I've seen in years... I'd definitely call up Furio and ask:

      "What's up sizzle chest!"

  55. I Love it! by los+furtive · · Score: 1

    This article has been written in OpenOffice.org 1.0.1 in SuSE 8 on the Xbox. Not what Microsoft originaly had in mind, hehe.

    --

    I'm a writer, a poet, a genius, I know it. I don't buy software, I grow it.

  56. Another one bites the dust. by warkeng · · Score: 1

    Another site Slashdotted:
    www.americantower.com/OasisPublic/Si teSearchADO/

    Our apologies for the inconvenience, but this page is temporarily unavailable due to extrodinary levels of traffic. Please try back again shortly.

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    -- Spammers: My E-mail server is in California. Consider yourself warned.
  57. Whats the point? by extrasolar · · Score: 1, Troll

    Seriously. Kill it. I was rather happy when I heard of its demise in the first place. I'm hoping they could put a real Sci-Fi show in its place. But then again, if they could keep Farscape and kill Lexx--I would be all that more happier."

    "Farscape is one of the greatest sci-fi series ever, in the same tier as..."

    Ha. No.

    "The Outer Limits"

    Only without the ability to make you think about the show long after you seen it. Farscape is a sit, drool, and click show. Nothing more.

    "Star Wars (Eps 4-6)"

    Star Wars is certainly ingrained in our culture. But not for its originality. Rather, it was successful for pioneering the special effects of its time. Notice how much harder it is for the first trilogy to catch on. But Star Wars was never more than a space opera.

    "B5, Star Trek (original series and Next Gen)"

    B5 was great because it was a space novel on the small screen. You were always pleased on how everything always came together with the right amount of suspense and metaphor. And Star Trek is simply way out of Farscape's league.

    "Hitchhiker's Guide, and Doctor Who"

    Hitchhiker's Guide is simply that crazy combination of British wit with Science Fiction that appeals to geeks everywhere. Never seen Doctor Who.

    "Each has a somewhat unique point, but Farscape's was most off-kilter: the characters live in a realm defined more by the fantastic than the scientific."

    In other words, it is just another space opera. With any science-fiction, you are asked by the writiers and producers to "suspend your disbelief". Thats fine. But the point is that you need to be rewarded with something that is believable. With The Outer Limits and The Twilight Zone for that matter, you are rewarded by looking at the world in a slightly new way. And usually there is a lesson. Star Wars just has that "good vs evil" lesson. Star Trek has its entire universe devoted to exploring humanity itself. And the Hitchhiker's Guide also offers a new way of looking at things as well as comedy to boot.

    So. Someone please tell me what the reward in watching Farscape. You want to put Farscape in the same league as the above, but I think it falls far short. I would put it rather in the same league as Andromeda or Earth: Final Conflict (although I would give it some credit as not being in the same league as Lexx). Just another space opera looking for an audience. So I guess Farscape has found its audience--probably for being aired so close to gems such as First Wave and The Invisible Man.

    But like I said, whats the point?

  58. Too late for the Space Muppets by 0111+1110 · · Score: 0, Troll

    I could see how losing the preteen crowd could hurt puppet-based scifi. This show is so obviously targeted at the preteen market (an alien puppet that likes to fart?) that I can see how they might lose much of their audience by switching the show to past their bedtimes. It must really bother the parents who have to endure all the whining about not being able to see their show. Really, they should just convert it into an actual cartoon. Clearly that's their target demographic.

    --
    Quite an experience to live in fear, isn't it? That's what it is to be a slave.
  59. Re:Filler Filler Filler by davidmccabe · · Score: 1
    >"a bike can't jump a curb"

    You must have tall curbs wherever you live. I can jump a curb on a bike easily, and I'm not even a good biker.

  60. Re:Funniest Nigerian Scam table-turning I've seen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey man,
    this is so cooool, really!

  61. Re:a better variation of the "scamming a scammer" by NewtonsLaw · · Score: 2

    I want my three dollars! [scamorama.com]

    Long but funny. Make sure to read to the end.


    The last email in that exchange is one of the funniest things I've read in many years.

    Just about pissed my pants!

    Someone mod it up please!

  62. Re:Firefly vs. Lexx & damn you sci-fi channel! by Crimson+Midget · · Score: 1

    If Joss fucked up anything on Buffy, it's the fact that he's less involved now. Post-high school buffy is more Marti Noxon than Joss. Still better than most of the other crap on tv.

  63. Amazon sent "Ginger" email in error by Therlin · · Score: 2

    I just received this:

    Greetings from Amazon.com.

    You recently received an e-mail from us regarding the Segway Human
    Transporter (also known as "Ginger" or "IT"). This e-mail was sent
    accidentally by an automated system and the information in it is
    incorrect.

    In fact, there is no new information on Segway's
    availability. Consumer versions of Segway Human Transporters are
    currently being piloted in various communities throughout the U.S.
    The Segway HT is expected to be released to the general consumer
    market in 2003.

    We apologize for the confusion. We will keep your e-mail address on
    our list of customers who wish to be notified about this item.

  64. Baby Segway... by Niles_Stonne · · Score: 1

    And for the kiddies...

    The Baby Segway... (bottom image)

    --
    Sticks and Stones may break my bones, but copyright will always protect me.
  65. Meteorite Hits Girl by Anonymous+DWord · · Score: 2

    Not related to any of the above, but I figure Slashback's the place anyway... I showed my girlfriend (who just happens to want to go out by being hit by a meteorite), this story about the girl being hit by one. She was quite jealous, and wrote me an indignant email, thus:

    >The odds against being hit by a meteorite are
    >billions to one - but a teenager in North
    >Yorkshire may have had one land on her foot.

    BAH! Landed on her foot! Bullshit! If she still has a foot, then a meteor did not land on it. I think someone threw a lava rock at her and her parents (trying to make her feel better) lied to her and said that it was a meteor. I bet she gets beaten up at school a lot.


    I quickly concurred.

    --
    "If he thinks he can hide and run from the United States and our allies, he's sorely mistaken." Bush on bin Laden
  66. Darn! by sconeu · · Score: 3, Funny

    I was going to use the money I got from Nigera to pay for the next season of Farscape, and with the leftovers, buy a Segway to carry my Xbox (which would be running SUSE 8.0)!

    --
    General Relativity: Space-time tells matter where to go; Matter tells space-time what shape to be.
  67. The point is getting missed with Farscape. by sawilson · · Score: 4, Informative

    Forget the ratings issue. (they damaged the show
    by moving the timeslot)

    Forget the success of SG-1. (Farscape viewers
    killing time watching SG-1 until Farscape comes
    on)

    The important thing is, they took an escape clause
    out of their contract to get out of season 5
    while the show was still drawing a huge crowd.
    They moved the show to 10pm and that destroyed
    viewership with fans that have social lives.
    They effectively mismanaged the hell out of
    the show, then backed out of their season 5
    commitment when they tried to demand a lower
    amount of money for the show, and EMTV said
    no. Despite what anybody thinks, the show has
    at least 1 million viewers in the USA alone,
    and countless fans overseas. Recent numbers
    are starting to make it look like even the
    nielsen numbers are wrong (like that's never
    happened before) and there are probably even
    more fans. Also, it's looking like at least
    50 percent of those fans are women. And I'm not
    making this stuff up. This was reported on
    CNN Headline news 3 days in a row.
    How hard would it be for them to actually
    try to figure out who their viewing audience is,
    attract sponsors based on that audience, and
    make a ton of money? Not very hard at all.
    Especially now that due to massive amount of
    national, and international coverage, interest
    in the show will be higher than it's ever been.
    They'd be idiots to let this kind of opportunity
    to slip by them. They couldn't hope for better
    publicity than this for a show. The good news is
    there are several other interested parties that
    KNOW the type of advertiser dollars that can
    be made off this show. To quote Reney at
    CNN Headline News:

    "College educated, professions, typical incomes $50,000 - $150,000. Technologically inclined, and extremely computer literate. I would think that advertisers would jump all over that."

    And my favorite quote:

    "But Nina Lump is talking, she is the web mistress of the Save Farscape website at Farscape.wdsection.com. I spoke with her today and she said that site and a related one have had over 600,000 hits since yesterday"

    And that's just the net savvy viewers. I
    personally blanketed the area I live in with
    500 flyers today. I hit video stores, I hit
    skateshops, gas stations, malls, you name it.
    Most of the people I talked to were NOT on the
    net, and most of the people I talked to did
    not know the show had been cancelled.

    The point
    is that SciFi said they'd carry the 4th and 5th
    season, they mismanaged the hell out of the show,
    they backed out of their 5th season obligation,
    and they were not going to tell anybody until
    march. There are plenty of people saying some
    genuinely misguided things about what's going
    on here. I recommend you all take the time
    to read the information at http://www.savefarscape.com
    before making guesses
    about what's REALLY going on.

    1. Re:The point is getting missed with Farscape. by Caviar-NYC · · Score: 1

      I recently wrote a short article about this.

      What the fans want.

    2. Re:The point is getting missed with Farscape. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh just let it die you couch potato.

    3. Re:The point is getting missed with Farscape. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if man was pushing flyers in people all day
      hes probably not a couch potatoe. Maybe
      he love show too much. That a crime? Lest hes
      doing something other than spending his day
      shooting down other people. I thik you don
      like his fortitude. I bet you are a big fat
      man.

  68. Jump a postman! by hackshack · · Score: 1

    I too hope it's "just a script;" however if the going gets tough, you can always go to Tampa with a few strong buddies, and lie in wait for the nearest postman to zip by...

  69. Secret Service and Nigerian Scams by shri · · Score: 3, Informative

    The US Secret Service has some more information about these scamsters. In the good old days, they would approach their victims using snail-mail with impressive letterheads. Now, they just spam everyone!

  70. Segway Alive! by Cyberop5 · · Score: 1

    Here's the text from Amazon:
    Greetings from Amazon.com.

    You recently received an e-mail from us regarding the Segway Human Transporter (also known as "Ginger" or "IT"). This e-mail was sent accidentally by an automated system and the information in it is incorrect.

    In fact, there is no new information on Segway's
    availability. Consumer versions of Segway Human Transporters are currently being piloted in various communities throughout the U.S. The Segway HT is expected to be released to the general consumer market in 2003.

    We apologize for the confusion. We will keep your e-mail address on our list of customers who wish to be notified about this item.

    Sincerely,
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    Jack: "Who doesn't??"
  71. Save FarScape Full Page Add in the New York Times by Str8Dog · · Score: 1, Troll

    There is an effort to get a full page add in the New York Times to let SciFi know how lame they are. Check it out here.

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    Str8Dog
    using System.Darkside; public
  72. Points, Pedestals, and Appeal by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The problem with discussions like this is the potential to sink to a simple flame-fest. This discussion is especially prone to such degradation when one favorite is attacked ("I was rather happy when I heard of [Farscape's] demise in the first place") and another is placed upon a pedestal ("And Star Trek is simply way out of Farscape's league"). Further idolization with such pretentious statements such as "Star Trek has its entire universe devoted to exploring humanity itself" sets one favorite on such a high pedestal that it makes a really tempting target. But I'll avoid the temptation.

    On the other hand, I do agree with some of the observations on what makes some of the mentioned SciFi shows interesting. It might be worth noting that none of these shows are without criticism. But each show does have some appeal - whether it appeals to you personally or not is a matter of personal taste.

    So the question was asked: what is appealing about Farscape?

    Star Wars has lost its impact between the older and newer movies even as it has held on to its theme of "good vs. evil". What it didn't hold on to was its core heros. The first trilogy was not about individual characters, but rather a group thrown together by chance. Each character contributes to the bigger-than-oneself events around them and, ultimately, challenge an Empire.

    Farscape also has a core group of disparate characters thrown together by fate. And this group also challenges greater powers than themselves. Though in this case, our central core of heroes aren't always agreeable witch each other. And while it is sometimes a frustrating plot device - it also has a ring of truth for all but the most structured group environments.

    I also find the human character Crichton interesting. The character goes from being one of the top in his field (scientist and astronaut) to fish-out-of-water baggage. He then adapts to the oddity around him. Eventually, he gains the respect of his fellow fugitives and begins to thrive in his new surroundings. In effect, Crichton adapts to and overcomes the insane situation he is thrust in to... with a bit of irreverent insanity of his own.

    It might be worth noting that the Farscape world itself has some appeal. There is a different look to the show. Often animatronics and puppets are used to give the Farscape world a more alien feel. Subtle oddities such as biological ships and the human-like Sebatian race's deadly susceptibility to heat add to a fantastic, unique world.

    That's not to say Farscape is beyond criticism. Overall, I really enjoy the writing behind the series. Occasionally, there is an episode that seems to... slip. And unfortunately, the latest season seems to be slipping more often than not. I hope Farscape picks the pace back up. Or is mercilessly put out of its misery.

    I can understand why there is some shock at Farscape's popularity. It took me awhile to become a fan of the show. But once I started watching, I found more than enough to appeal to me.

    1. Re:Points, Pedestals, and Appeal by extrasolar · · Score: 2

      You're right, my post was flamebait in hindsight. But thats because, as you said, my learning of Farscape's popularity made me say "What the heck!" I mean, "how can anyone like that show" right?

      But I suppose its, in part, a change in the times. For some reason, people are attracted to shows filled with people who don't like each other. Could it be an effect of divorced, split families we have?

      However, you're not going to see me admit that choice in television programs is entirely subjective, even accounting for taste. I mean we have to award shows for *something*, there has to be some measure for the greatness of a program.

      Even so, I would be hard pressed to determine if, say, The Hitchhiker's Guide is better or worse than The Outer Limits. They seem to be different not in degree but in kind, they achieve different ends.

      So which of the listed examples are comparable? To answer that, you must ask what the point of Farscape is...what is its end. Is it supposed to be a fantasy rather than science fiction? Then maybe it isn't comparable to Star Trek or Star Wars, and not my taste in genre at all.

      But if its supposed to be a science fiction series, get rid of it.

    2. Re:Points, Pedestals, and Appeal by Negatyfus · · Score: 1

      Ohhh, the parent, grand-parent and great-grand-parent of this post are *wonderfully* put. :)

      I don't like Farscape at all neither, by the way. I suppose it's too empty, doesn't achieve enough for me. Hitchhiker's guide rules. :)

    3. Re:Points, Pedestals, and Appeal by mdwebster · · Score: 1

      The *point* has to be whether it's fantasy or sci-fi? In one sense, the point is enjoyment, entertainment. Internally, the point is to follow the main characters through a series of harrowing adventures while they each try to accomplish sometimes disparate goals (Crichton wants to return home, maybe, or maybe stay with Aeryn. Rygel wants to return to his throne as Dominar and throw his cousin out of power. D'argo, for a large part of the series wanted to find his son. They all want to avoid the Peacekeepers, who have a bounty on their head.)

      As to the genre, it's certainly not hard sci-fi. It does have a veneer of science over the fantasy but doesn't delve into explanations (a good thing, imo, I was tired of the "particle of the week" syndrome in Star Trek).

      For me, the payoff of the series is in the characters, so call it space opera if you must categorize it. Their motivations are sometimes apparent, sometimes hidden. They have depth, desires, past traumas, and strengths. I'm sure it helps to have followed the series from near the beginning, some of the strongest points of the series is in the overreaching story arc that a purveyor of single episodes may well miss. One of my favorite theories that I've heard put forth on the relative weakness of the 4th season is that they're focusing more on stand-alone episodes versus extending the story arc to bring in new viewers.

      But the attitude that if it's "supposed" to be sci-fi get rid of it but if it's "supposed" to be something else then OK just baffles me.

      It's odd, a lot of my friends at work don't like the series much, they've watched a half episode or so and just not gotten into it. All of my "real friends" love the series and come over every Friday night there's a new one on to watch it (barring prior engagments, of course, and even then I'm implored to tape it for them). So maybe it is a matter of having followed it for a while, it's surpassed Babylon 5 for me as my favorite series and I really liked Bab 5 (seasons 2-4 anyway .. :) )

    4. Re:Points, Pedestals, and Appeal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      The first trilogy was not about individual characters, but rather a group thrown together by chance


      So it seemed at first, but we later learn that that group is:

      The son of the major badass

      The daughter of the major badass

      A droid created by the major badass

      A droid who saved everyones ass, including the major badass

      A "scoundrel" who happened to have a ship handy

      His first mate


      Only the last two qualify as thrown together by chance. All the other ones, including the badass, have been manipulated by that mysterious force that keep harping on about.

    5. Re:Points, Pedestals, and Appeal by extrasolar · · Score: 2

      So I guess we agree. Its just a show.

  73. Re:Filler Filler Filler by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ah the key "I can jump". The bike doesn't jump, you do, the bike just happens to follow. Now take that bike and run it full speed into a curb and don't jump. Wanna bet it will hurt. Now load the bike down with 70 lbs of weight and try it again but this time attempt to jump and see what happens. Brains people, brains!

  74. oh wow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    RE: Nigerian scam
    OMG her friend allowed him to take a shot of her naked (you can see her nipples in the picture). A friend in need is a friend indeed.

  75. My GOD! Murder! by doublem · · Score: 1, Troll

    He killed his wife!!! Oh my god!!!!

    Nice rack though

    --
    "Live Free or Die." Don't like it? Then keep out of the USA
  76. Yeah... To associate Star Trek and Babylon 5 by Altanar · · Score: 1

    is to seriously insult J. Michael Straczynski. I definately prefer his style of writing and plot to Gene Roddenberry's. I kinda wish that Crusade had gotten a chance. The frelling thing was canceled before it was even aired. Stupid AOL Time Warner/TNT. Bah.

    1. Re:Yeah... To associate Star Trek and Babylon 5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He has a new show now. It is on showtime and is called Jeremiah. It looks very interesting. I've only caught one episode so far. It is sci-fi, set in a post-apocolypic future (after a plague).

  77. Nigerian Spam Variation by NetGyver · · Score: 2

    My friend also recieved something simular to the spam email that was linked in the article.

    the link is: jesus.doomed.us/spam.html

    The spam:

    CHIEF PATRICK OLADOKUN
    EMAIL:patrickoladokun2002@lycos.com
    FAX: 234-1-7597267

    Sir,

    URGENT BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP

    First, I must solicit your confidence in this transaction, which is of mutual benefit. This is by virtue of it's nature of being utterly confidential.I am sure and have confidence of your ability, and reliability to prosecute a transaction
    of this great magnitude.

    We are top Officials of the Federal Government Contract review Panel who are interested in importation of goods into our country with funds which are presently trapped in Nigeria. In order to commence this business,we need your assistance to enable us transfer funds into your account. As members of the Contract Review Panel set up by
    the Government of Nigeria to review all contracts from 1983 to the present,we have identified a lot of inflated contract funds which are presently floating in the Central Bank of Nigeria ready for payment.

    By virtue of our position as Civil Servants and members of this Panel, we cannot acquire this money in our names, in this regard I have been delegated by my colleagues of the review Panel to look for an overseas partner into whose account we would transfer the sum of US$21,320,000.00
    (Twenty -One Million, Three Hundred and Twenty Thousand United States Dollars) hence we take the liberty to write you.

    The money will be shared as follows:-

    1. 20% for you the account owner
    2. 70% for us (The Officials)
    3. 10% to be used in settling taxation and all local and foreign expenses.

    Please note that this whole process will take between 7 to 10 working days from the date of receipt of the following information by Fax :234-1-7597267,Your individual/Company's
    signed and stamped letterhead with a transcribed"Text" which we would send to you upon receipt of your reply with a letter of interest. The above information will enable us write letter of claim, and Job description by using your
    individual/Company name to apply for payment for the above stated amount. Please acknowledge the receipt of this letter using the above Fax number.

    Detailed information of this pending business transaction will be sent to you as soon as I hear from you.

    Yours faithfully,

    CHIEF PATRICK OLADOKUN

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    I never saw this type of spam/scam before until he pointed it out to me a few days ago. But it has been forwarded to uce.gov so hopefully they can catch this idiot.

    The measure of the love we give is in the hearts that others show.

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    1. Re:Nigerian Spam Variation by Sir+Tristam · · Score: 2
      I never saw this type of spam/scam before until he pointed it out to me a few days ago. But it has been forwarded to uce.gov so hopefully they can catch this idiot.
      These are also called '419 frauds'; Section 419 of the Nigerian Penal Code deals with fraud schemes (More info at http://www.usss.treas.gov/financial_crimes.shtml#N igerian but without the space /. added in Nigerian). Anyway, the correct place to send these is not uce@ftc.gov, but 419.fcd@usss.treas.gov. That's the US Secret Service Financial Crimes Division that investigates the 419/Nigerian frauds (http://www.sec.gov/answers/nigeria.htm for more info).

      Chris Beckenbach

  78. O5 by Thornae · · Score: 1

    Hm. Having now read more about it, it sounds quite decent. Which pretty much guarantees we won't get it in .au... )=

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  79. farscape by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bad porn for same sex people.

  80. Re:Filler Filler Filler by A+non-mouse+Cow+Herd · · Score: 1

    Ah the key "I can jump". The bike doesn't jump, you do, the bike just happens to follow. Now take that bike and run it full speed into a curb and don't jump.

    You can ride a modern downhill bike full speed into a 6 inch curb and barely even notice.
  81. Just for those that wonder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is not all that difficult to gain access to the international bank wire system. not directly, of ocurse, and it takes some paperwork, and some upstanding citizen.. but it doesn't take too much effort.

    Say you had a business that required the ability to do bank deposits and withdrawls.. this CAN be set up for you.

    Many people think this nigerian scam must be rediculous, because nobody can take money out of your account without your authorization, right?

    Well.. once you are into the electronic transfer system, by way of a provider, you can do whatever you want.. yes, they will come back LATER and make you back up each transaction you did.. but there is nothing actually stopping you from draining someone's bank account and then shuffling the money all over the place.
    Tha'ts what this scam is about; getting bank account numbers, and personal information about the account holders... exactly what is needed for electronic funds transfers.

  82. the text of a reply I made to a Nigerian scammer by rjforster · · Score: 1

    I sent this in May this year, enjoy. The original email isn't really needed.

    ----BEGIN----

    To my new and dear friend Barrister Mark Solomon

    I was so wonderfully excited to read your interesting and informative email regarding your deliciously lucrative business proposal. May I first suggest though that you take some of the cash you have and nip out to a local computer shop and buy a keyboard where the CAPS-LOCK key is not broken.
    Before we proceed I was wondering what you would define a reasonable percentage of twenty five million dollars to be? After careful consideration I concluded that at least 20 percent would be acceptable, although with house prices rising so fast where I live that number may have to increase before too long. This is, of course fully open to discussion, I would not want to rule anything out at this stage in the proceedings.

    Perhaps another avenue is a sales transaction, you understand that this is strictly confidential but I could offer you some 'interesting' mercendise, much of it aquired after the break-up of the former Soviet Union. Could you use a tank? I expect that those pesky vindictive government officials can call upon tanks of their own but in my experience they usually think twice (and are sometime even become very cooperative, showing complete and total change of loyalties) when faced with a nice T-84. I have 12 for sale right now, enough to invade a medium sized Palestinean town, that could be shipped as soon as funds arrive. They come with full optional extras, 125mm main gun with autoloader, full service history, CD player, air bags, traction control, leather seats and little cup holders. Any colour you wish, I like red ones myself. More can be obtained via my contacts if you need them and are prepared to accept minor detractions from an otherwise perfect armoured fighting vehicle, such as no spare tracks.

    Now Anthrax may be a little passé in today's social climate and there are the problems of postal services in developed countries screening for it but nothing quite packs the punch of a bio-terrorist attack on your enemies. Sarin is also a possibility albeit at a higher price. Volume discounts are available. I'm sorry but only last week I sold my last smallpox culture to an arabian gentleman who was willing to pay 'top-dollar'.

    I no longer deal in small children, only adult females. There was simply too much attention paid to the child slave market to make it finantially viable. Stocks are low at the moment, autumn is the best season for the kidnapping and brainwashing required and I have already passed on all of last years arrivals. I do have a blond available though, slightly used but nothing that won't polish up. She nags a bit but gets drunk quickly and is quite agreeable after that, if you're into that sort of thing. If you are interested I'll send you the address of the website which contains a complete picture portfolio.

    Many people who truly appreciate a quality service have discovered the benefits of eastern medicine. Therefore endangered animal products are experiencing a boom right now. Tiger, Panda and Rhino products are the main areas for medicine but if you are prepared to pay for them, the eggs of the Californian Condor can be used to make excellent omelettes.

    I must confess that I view it as a terrible shame that you only have 75 million United States dollars at your disposal. If you could find a further 25 million (preferbly non-sequential) then I may be able to offer you a thermonuclear device. I only supply genuine SS-18 warheads as I appreciate the quality and reliability you can only get with that brand. To paraphrase Samuel L Jackson (a personal friend of mine) in Jackie Brown, "When you absolutely, positively, have to kill every motherf****r in a 12 mile radius, SS-18, accept no substitute."
    Now I would understand perfectly if you felt alarmed at the seemingly too low price of 100 million dollars for a product of this nature, after all, in the acclaimed docu-drama The Peacemaker, staring George Clooney, an accurate price of 200 million dollars was quoted for a similar device. But with the quashing of the Brook Cartel and the fact that you appear to be a thoroughly nice bloke then 100 million dollars is the price I can offer you.

    This is just a small sample of the goods I have available right now or can aquire through my contacts. If you are interested in any of these or have any special requests please do not hesitate to contact me any time day or night.

    My very best of regards to you.

    "Honest" Ernst Stavro Blofelt
    International Criminal Mastermind
    Top Floor
    London Hilton

    P.S. If none of these attract your attention then I understand fully and I appreciate that you will still have a significant ammount of cash that you need to transport away. While I could pick it up in my helicopter one option that you may not have considered is that you could simply fax the bank notes to someone.

    P.P.S Your website addresses don't work, I understand that quality IT staff are hard to find and even harder to keep in this modern 'dot com' age.

    ----END----

  83. The Refreshments kicked ass by techstar25 · · Score: 2

    Good quote!

  84. Won't Watch Sci Fi Again by kalidasa · · Score: 2

    n/t

  85. Funniest Nigerian scam letter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The best letters seem to be at scamorama.com. I think the best of the lot is:

    http://www.scamorama.com/bigmac.html

  86. channel slashdotted? by Yonder+Way · · Score: 1

    I keep trying to get in and while the server allows me to log in, as soon as I join #farscape the server drops my connection.

  87. Sci-Fi change name to B-Movie Horror Channel? by GerryG · · Score: 1

    For years I've spent too much time on my computer or outside (huh? whassat?) to bother with watching much TV. I've watched ST:NG, DS9 and various other sci-fi/fantasy shows on and off. B5 was the one that pulled me into regular watching, but that was about all I watched. Once I discovered Farscape I was hooked again, but didn't get to watch it regularly until cable modem service was available in my area and I got free basic cable with it. Needless to say, I was excited to have a whole channel devoted to science fiction programming! I also was interested in Discovery, History, Animal Planet, and Cartoon Network, too, but still don't watch them much.

    To get down to it, Sci-Fi has been a disappointment in the extreme. I thought it would have lots of quality original programming and a lot of sci-fi movies and worthwhile re-runs of 'classic' sci-fi TV series. But all they seem to have are B-movie horror/thriller movies and middling TV series. And what's up with 'Crossing Over'? Not sci-fi in my opinion.

    The only bright spots were Farscape, the occasional special like the Star Wars Fan Film awards, and that program with the weird girl host that showcased independent just-out-of-film-school short movies. I also tape Stargate along with Farscape, but it's not nearly as interesting, though entertaining enough. I loved the one about the scientist geeks that save the team - did anyone notice one of them was the alien doctor from Enterprise.

    It certainly would have been nice of sci-fi to give some advance notice to the show's writers so they could have tied up some loose ends before canceling the show. It was great that Babylon 5 got to the end before leaving the air, and that JMS (the writer/creator) wrote each season as if it were the last, but still managed to put them all together as a cohesive whole. Because of these lousy 'economic realities' I think no show that features an ongoing storyline should leave any major plotlines dangling at the end of the season. Cliffhangers only work from week-to-week, not season-to-season. I also think we need more Farscape/B5 type programming out there where things are more complicated, layered, and ongoing, rather than a simple ongoing plotline that only has an adventure-of-the-week.

    Last note regarding economics - Sci-Fi definitely could have picked a better timeslot. Works for me in that it runs at 8pm my time. They also could have better provided re-runs to allow new viewers to 'get into' the show before each season (or even during the season). Also, if you have more quality original programming, especially lumped together instead of too spread out, you draw more viewers, and each show gains viewers from the ones before/after it, propping each other up. That's why slots like before/after Friends, X-Files, Simpsons, whatever were all coveted. Well, enough said on this. Comments?

    1. Re:Sci-Fi change name to B-Movie Horror Channel? by TheWanderingHermit · · Score: 1

      Actually, JMS did not write each season like the last. There are definate cliff hangers at the end of season 1 and 3. Season 2's last ep (when we see the Vorlon) did not tie up the series. JMS had said many times that B5 was a 5 year series and planned it that way from the beginning. When Warner started breaking up PTEN, he didn't know if there'd be a season 5, so he made sure it would end well at the end of season 4. The last ep, Sleeing in Light, was filmed at the end of S4, just in case, but it was the one he always planned as the last ep.

  88. Everything's bigger in Texas. by Dan+Crash · · Score: 2

    That's the point I was trying to make -- it's not just because Texas is "bigger" that it has more cell towers for sale, or at least that's not all of it.

    Take a look. Texas has more towers for sale than Minnesota, Utah, West Virginia, Washington, New York, New Mexico, Nevada, and Illinois combined. But this doesn't tell us too much on the face of it.

    Let's just look at Washington. According to the 1990 census, Washington has an average of 73.1 people per square mile, while Texas has an average of 64.9. So they're pretty close in terms of population density.

    Texas (261,914 sq.mi) is 3.9 times as big as Washington (66,581), so it seems reasonable to expect 3.9 times as many towers for sale in Texas.

    But that's not what we get. Washington has 6 towers for sale. Multiplied by 3.9 gives us 23.4 towers expected for Texas. But Texas has 72 towers for sale, 3 times as many as predicted.

    It seems that you'll get the same result for any state of similar population density. Texas has 3.3 times more towers per person than West Virginia, for example, even though West Virginia has roughly the same population density as Washington.

    So why does Texas have 3 times as many towers per person as Washington or West Virginia? I don't know. Maybe someone else does. Is the market for microwave towers worse in Texas than in Washington for some reason, or was there a need for more towers to begin with? (It's not all academic. If the market for microwave towers in Texas is worse for some reason, you might be justified in offering a significantly lower bid on one.) It's worth looking in to.

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    1. Re:Everything's bigger in Texas. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      So why does Texas have 3 times as many towers per person as Washington or West Virginia?

      Maybe because Texas is mostly flat, with none of the pesky mountains you find in Wa and WV? That is strange, isn't it? Maybe they aren't selling ALL the towers, but are keeping those they still need because of the pesky mountains (obviously I didn't read the story!)?

    2. Re:Everything's bigger in Texas. by tdye · · Score: 2

      One explanation might be that some companies may have tried to expand their coverage into areas where it ended up being pretty useless to have coverage. If you look at coverage maps of TX you'll see that the cities and the interstate corridors are completely covered, but much of the rest of the state is empty of coverage.

      It could be that the market is significantly worse than in other states, because many of the towers cover areas that are remote or have so little cellular traffic that it wasn't worth the expense to offer coverage anymore.

      Also, average population density is deceptive for states like TX where there are several huge cities which are very densely populated and the countryside is often completely empty for many miles in all directions.

      For example, Houston alone has more people than Ireland! And Ireland covers an area about the size of W. Virginia, which is roughly equal to the Dallas/Houston/Austin triangle. I would be willing to bet that there are many more people in Dallas, Austin, and Houston than there are in W. Virginia... which leads me to something else.

      I think you've made a slight flaw in equating People per Sq. Mile with Population. You're comparing the average population density of Texas and Washington or W. Virginia, and predicting the towers-for-sale per sq. mile, which is reasonable, but you can't get to a towers-per-person estimate from there, because you aren't talking about population, you're talking about average population density.
      What you're seeing is 3.3 times more towers per square mile, not 3.3 times more towers per person, because (among other reasons) the towers aren't all layed out in a grid, and neither are the people.

    3. Re:Everything's bigger in Texas. by Dan+Crash · · Score: 2

      Thanks for the info. I'd figured something similar about Texas having big areas that might be unprofitable to cover, but you've got a lot more intimate knowledge of Texas than I do. Thanks for the facts.

      I think you've made a slight flaw in equating People per Sq. Mile with Population.

      Obviously, you're right -- it's 3.3 x more towers per sq. mi,, not per person, although I felt that was a little misleading, too. There are states with the same number of towers per sq. mile as TX but they also have many times the populaton density. NY, for instance, has about the same number of towers per sq. mi. that TX does, but has 5.5 x more people per sq. mi. So the best unit would be "towers per person per sq. mi.", but that seemed so awkward that I just dropped off the last bit and figured people would know what I was getting at. :) My bad.

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  89. how do I know that no one is watching Odyssey 5? by Lord+Omlette · · Score: 2

    I can't find the eps on Kazaa anywhere ^^;;

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