PKWare no longer sells its products as shareware. eh? isn't that oxymoronical? wait, maybe im thinking of 'freeware'..... shareware, freeware, warez.... makes no diff to Kazaa.
Right, Kazaa has replaced the shareware concept with SPYWARE. Even better! Now you don't even need to pay, just let it run a dozen spy programs in the background and send their secret data back to wherever it wants while serving you up advertising. No thanks spyware guys. I'll go back to the "Send in $10 to register this shareware" any day over "What the hell is all this shit running in the background? I unchecked all the crap it wanted to install and it STILL installed a half dozen spyware programs!" AKA Grokster. Holy cow is that program laced with them. I was checking it out for someone else before they installed it to see if it was "safe" and the one time I was too lazy to check Google for spyware alerts I get hit with dozens of shit that it installs without letting you uninstall it. If you use adaware to clean it then grokster won't even run. Stupid garbage. I really do miss the days of clean non-spyware laced shareware programs like pkzip and mcafee antivirus when companies seemed to have souls distributing their stuff.
(Although maybe someone will prove me wrong and say 'I update existing zipfiles every day, it's an essential feature, what I do is...'.)
It IS an essential feature and I do use it all the time. Being able to pop up Winzip and read individual files in an archive without extracting the whole thing (which can be hundreds of megs) is much better than the tar/gzip approach that's standard on UNIX systems. Hell, even Sun realizes that. Their recommended cluster patches are distributed in a zip archive so you can easily pull out individual patches without unarchiving the whole 50+ megs and thousands of files.
Bush no longer needs to persuade Congress. The House and Senate are both firmly GOP.
No they're not. The democrats can easily filibuster anything they don't like. The GOP doesn't hold the 60 seats required to break a filibuster so don't worry, nothing crazy is going to get passed unless everyone still agrees. Now, the problem is, I don't trust the liberal democrats anymore than I trust the radical right wing GOP with my rights anymore. One side raises my taxes and takes away my rights, the other side lowers my taxes, gives tax breaks to huge corporate buddies and takes away my rights. The only way to go these days is LESS government completely. Seems like Libertarians were right all along... and I always thought I was a Republican. The things their big business supporters are doing to the little people of this country make me as sick as what the Democrats are doing to the little guy with the big stick of government beaurocracy. We're damned if we do and damned if we don't.
What you bought was Internet access, not "filtered access with only some ports available".
It's about the principle of the thing. I want IP transit; nothing more.
No, what you bought was low-priced commodity Internet access. If you want IP transit, nothing more, then you need to buy a T1 or other business class service. ISPs have every right to limit these low priced services in any way they see fit to stop leeches from causing service problems for other users. If you buy a business class line with a SLA then you can go and bitch.
Wouldn't a better solution just be to log into your ADSL machine at home, and run mozilla over an X session?
Even better, use the -D option on newer versions of OpenSSH to do dynamic port forwarding. Then point Mozilla or Netscape's SOCKS4 proxy to the port you specify. For example:
ssh -D 1080 remotehost.com -l blah
Then just point mozilla to a socks4 port of 1080 on localhost. Everything you browse will then be proxied over your SSH connection and appear to come from your ADSL host to remote sites. Works pretty well in my experience without the hassle and overhead of setting up a squid proxy or running a full X application on a remote host.
Either you are extremely simple-minded, or have absolutely no trolling ability.
Nope, I'm just bored and reminded of my experiences with MacOS X. I can't see any decent reason to switch from Windows or Linux to a Mac platform. It certainly isn't faster unless I shell out two to three times more money than I paid for my current system and it has less software than my Windows2000 box does. What is it about rabid Mac fanboys that can't see that maybe some people aren't blindly convinced by idiotic "Switch" commercials?
That all sounds pretty complicated. My Athlon system on the other hand is just inherently fast without needing to worry about all that. Hmm. I thought Macs were made for newbies?! Trying to figure out how to install and run apps under MacOS X is a lot more complicated than Windows. They seem to just get dumped into a big disk image and copied to a folder on the hard drive where you have to go looking for it. Windows on the other hand adds a handy link to the start menu.
It definitely is a sneaky program. I noticed it even trying to connect out on port 20/tcp trying to masquerade as an active ftp data session. Thanks AOL dickheads. You couldn't isolate it to ONE port and let the network administrators choose whether to allow it or not could you? In my book that's the number one reason to ban AIM from the network even if it means filtering all AOL address space. Fuck 'em.
That'd be a great idea if in the mean time they also lowered the price of all their overpriced hardware by 50%. Then I'd be the first in line to pick up this switcher kit. Until then I guess I'm stuck building a PC because MacOS X is definitely not worth the $800 difference between my last PC and a high end Mac G4.:-/
Yea, afterall, those uncappers are known to be a violent heavily armed bunch. They were probably using the extra bandwidth to host terrorist-training servers using the widely available terrorist-training tool Counter-Strike. If they hadn't gone in prepared they might've got taken out by a camper with an awp.
Damn, Microsoft continues to prove they can make their interface look sweeter than anybody else. My X11 window manager, even when tripped out with themes doesn't look as smooth and as polished as that. Is it the anti-aliased fonts or what? It's just sweet looking. MacOS X's Aqua interface also is lacking IMHO compared to that. Maybe I will just wait for Longhorn and succumb like the other 95% of the population and just run Windows. It looks SO cool. OK, I'm done. I'll go back into Linux advocate rant mode now. Microsoft sucks.:-)
I'm guessing that they still think they are in control because they bought the majority of it!!! The only other possiblity for supporting the space station is from Russia, who's space program is funded by the US anyway for a considerable amount...
Typical capitalist yankees. Just because you pay for the majority of something doesn't mean you own it! It's called subsidies, sort of like welfare. See, poorer humans and nations deserve to get wealth redistributions from more wealthy nations. It's their right in a modern PC world.
At our school the costs are so cheap for their software in the bookstore because the university has a multimillion dollar contract with MS to buy software from them for the entire school. Cheap versions for students is just a side affect of that and it's most likely offset by the increased prices we pay in our technology fee.
All people need to do is READ the Bible to discredit Modern Christianity and the Catholic Church.
Have you tried to sit down and actually READ that thing lately? It's really not interesting. Most Bibles I've seen are written in wording that makes Yoda seem like a Rhodes scholar. Is there any wonder there is such disinterest in something that is based around a bunch of made up stories that supposedly happened thousands of years ago? I'd be more than happy to faithfully follow Jesus's teachings if he'd take a moment to come back and perform some more miracles for us modern people. He did it for them two thousand years ago, why are we supposed to be so naive that we believe a bunch of folk stories? If I was god I wouldn't want my followers blindly following a bunch of half truths based on some notion of blind faith. Perform the miracles, show the awesome power of Jesus and God and make believers out of BILLIONS of people. What would it hurt? A few lousy miracles is all it would take. Bring someone back from the dead. Turn water into wine. Whatever... give us something to believe in again and we will follow you without question. All I get are riddles and rhymes from the clergy about how I have to have faith and god works in mysterious ways and other such bullshit. If god actually cared what the fuck was going on on this planet or whether we worshipped him or not he'd take a little more active role in trying to win over followers. The people running for public office have more dedicated constituents than the average religious follower! It's no wonder though, if they get elected at least you're pretty much guarenteed a handout. With God it's "well, maybe when you die you'll go to heaven and live in eternal happiness." Riiiiggghhht. Can I have that in writing? Oh yea, I forgot, it's probably a sin to dare question the word of god. Blah.
OK, I guess I'm going to hell. Who's coming with me?:-)
Just like DVDs, this is a scam designed purely and simply to skim more cash off the consumer.
I wasn't aware any of these corporations are non-profit charities. What's wrong with maximizing profits by adjusting prices in different countries? Adam Smith would be very proud of Nintendo right about now.
Basicly, Batman wins because he's a big smarty-man, but then throws the fight. In the bigger picture, they're both victims of circumstance, and have to comprimise to survive in the world.
But that doesn't make sense. Why would Batman attack Superman? They're both Superfriends! D.C. comics is really dorky for turning two superfriends on each other like that in an unlikely battle. What's next, Flash vs. Green Lantern? Mr. Fantastic battling the Thing? Why do super hero friends always have to have a falling out and attack each other, aren't there enough supervillains to fight? Can't these guys just get along?
More importantly, I thought one of the editors (Hemos?) said there would be no Flash ads on Slashdot. Here I see one on the page for "Business Time Machine" completely with flashy graphics. I'm really trying to keep from blocking ads because I like reading this site and support them, but Flash ads are like pissing in a user's face.
http://ad.doubleclick.net/adi/N815.osdn/B1060982;s z=336x280;ord=103590557103590557
ObSuperhero: Superman would of course beat the crap out of Batman. Why is this even a contest? Superman can fly, has super strength, is faster than a speeding bullet, can blow frost breath and freeze you, can shoot heat rays from his eyes, and he has xray vision among other things. He is for all intents and purposes a SUPER MAN! He is meant to be the most powerful super hero of them all yet people continually wimp him down into a piece of shit and he seems to get his ass kicked by the most unlikely of "super" villains. Give me a break! If you were Superman and you knew your ONE weakness in the entire world was kryptonite, wouldn't you go around and collect it all as your mission in life and throw it into the Sun? Batman is a techno weenie and would be naked without his stupid utility belt and gadgets. He's just a normal guy and not a super hero.
How can Word appear any faster at 3GHz?... Granted, it will be good for people who are still running those 200MHz clunkers but what's the incentive if you're already running in the GHz range?
Unfortunately where I work the secretaries for division heads get these 3GHz machines and run Word on them while the scientists and technicians get to keep working on their Pentium 200MHz system. Maybe if they're lucky they get a hand-me-down from a secretary like a nice PIII-1GHz box.:-)
Interesting... so it sounds like you just use APT directly, rather than relying on dselect? Maybe that's why nobody has bothered to improve dselect.
I've been using Debian for a bit over a year now and I've NEVER had to use dselect for anything. Occassionally dpkg to fix a broken package that was causing apt-get to malfunction, but never dselect. dselect was the reason I decided to NOT switch to Debian for so long. I tried it awhile ago, got a system installed, ran dselect to try to install some other package, didn't understand what it was telling me, and watched as it uninstalled 50-60 core packages that were required for my working system. I was a bit stunned and didn't think such a touchy package selection program was quite right for me yet.
Now, I don't really blame dselect all that much, it was just complicated to understand compared to apt-get, aptitude, etc. apt-get can be a pain when you install a package that is broken and suddenly you find you can't do ANYTHING with apt-get until you go off and fix it. I had a really horrible package I had to track down and delete a postrm script since it was erroring out and the package wouldn't delete even with force options in dpkg. That's just fucked up and they should seriously think about fixing that. A force all should ignore postrm errors and just get that package off the system at all costs, or at least leave the files if it must and delete the entry from the Debian package database so you can install a different version.
My uptight boss was all for it once she saw what it was about. I've held off a laptop purchase for almost a year now waiting for this.
This, boys and girls, is exactly the reason Microsoft is so successful. More power to them. When was the last time you heard the average person waiting with baited breath for Red Hat 8.0 to come out? "Look! It now supports a new video card that shipped in my machine 12 months ago! Woohoo!":-)
Not a flame, just an observation. Microsoft really knows how to stir up the troops and get them excited over nothing but cybercrack. Open your wallets folks and enjoy the ride, I sure do.
* Only traffic above 128kbps counts towards the volume usage (i.e., you can listen to Internet radio 24h/day)
Your post gave me an idea about how to solve all these problems! How about these companies determine how much bandwidth they have and divide it among the number of users minus a decent profit and then set the user's bandwidth accordingly? Oh right, that would make sense. Why even bother selling 1.5MBit/sec cable service if for all intents and purposes it is really 56kbps average? Just limit it to 56kpbs and admit you're a filthy fucking slimeball corporation and the business model of giving users t-1 speeds at a tenth of the price of a t-1 is flawed. Duh. I was saying that when DSL and cable were just starting out and I'll continue to say it. The economics just don't work out to make a profit selling DSL and cable unless you force users to not use the bandwidth you're promising. It's like "unlimited" dialup that kicks you off ever 2 hours whether you're using it or not and you can't stay connected all the time. It's a ripoff but they get away with it.
And eventually *all* of those connections will be metered too.. Eventually..
Eventually? You mean only if you have to connect to the backbone. Why connect to the overloaded busted commercial backbone that is the root of the problem when you've formed a successful co-op?:-) People will be beating down your door to use your unmetered network and it will become the defacto standard. Think of people migrating away from EFNet of the day to Dalnet and from there to smaller nets. The Internet has gotten too big and busted. Maybe it's time to shake things up a little and have seperate nets.
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You mean you don't agree with my EULA for my worm that says it has the right to format your hard drive if you agree to this EULA on page 15 paragraph 3? I'm really waiting for someone to try that. "Hey, they agreed to let me wipe out their system! It's not MY fault they're stupid."
When was the last time you saw a WinTel laptop get over three hours of life and not have a battery the size of a "Porshe"?
My Dell Inspiron 4000 gets about 4 hours on a battery. If I pop out the cdrom and replace it with another battery it lasts around 8 hours. More than enough for me. Quit being such a zealot fanboy. Just because it doesn't have a cute little Apple logo on it doesn't mean it is junk and you can't get any work done with it.
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Right, Kazaa has replaced the shareware concept with SPYWARE. Even better! Now you don't even need to pay, just let it run a dozen spy programs in the background and send their secret data back to wherever it wants while serving you up advertising. No thanks spyware guys. I'll go back to the "Send in $10 to register this shareware" any day over "What the hell is all this shit running in the background? I unchecked all the crap it wanted to install and it STILL installed a half dozen spyware programs!" AKA Grokster. Holy cow is that program laced with them. I was checking it out for someone else before they installed it to see if it was "safe" and the one time I was too lazy to check Google for spyware alerts I get hit with dozens of shit that it installs without letting you uninstall it. If you use adaware to clean it then grokster won't even run. Stupid garbage. I really do miss the days of clean non-spyware laced shareware programs like pkzip and mcafee antivirus when companies seemed to have souls distributing their stuff.
It IS an essential feature and I do use it all the time. Being able to pop up Winzip and read individual files in an archive without extracting the whole thing (which can be hundreds of megs) is much better than the tar/gzip approach that's standard on UNIX systems. Hell, even Sun realizes that. Their recommended cluster patches are distributed in a zip archive so you can easily pull out individual patches without unarchiving the whole 50+ megs and thousands of files.
No they're not. The democrats can easily filibuster anything they don't like. The GOP doesn't hold the 60 seats required to break a filibuster so don't worry, nothing crazy is going to get passed unless everyone still agrees. Now, the problem is, I don't trust the liberal democrats anymore than I trust the radical right wing GOP with my rights anymore. One side raises my taxes and takes away my rights, the other side lowers my taxes, gives tax breaks to huge corporate buddies and takes away my rights. The only way to go these days is LESS government completely. Seems like Libertarians were right all along... and I always thought I was a Republican. The things their big business supporters are doing to the little people of this country make me as sick as what the Democrats are doing to the little guy with the big stick of government beaurocracy. We're damned if we do and damned if we don't.
It's about the principle of the thing. I want IP transit; nothing more.
No, what you bought was low-priced commodity Internet access. If you want IP transit, nothing more, then you need to buy a T1 or other business class service. ISPs have every right to limit these low priced services in any way they see fit to stop leeches from causing service problems for other users. If you buy a business class line with a SLA then you can go and bitch.
I think the important question to ask here is, will other browsers owe less than Microsoft if this case is decided in Eolas's favor?
Even better, use the -D option on newer versions of OpenSSH to do dynamic port forwarding. Then point Mozilla or Netscape's SOCKS4 proxy to the port you specify. For example: ssh -D 1080 remotehost.com -l blah Then just point mozilla to a socks4 port of 1080 on localhost. Everything you browse will then be proxied over your SSH connection and appear to come from your ADSL host to remote sites. Works pretty well in my experience without the hassle and overhead of setting up a squid proxy or running a full X application on a remote host.
Nope, I'm just bored and reminded of my experiences with MacOS X. I can't see any decent reason to switch from Windows or Linux to a Mac platform. It certainly isn't faster unless I shell out two to three times more money than I paid for my current system and it has less software than my Windows2000 box does. What is it about rabid Mac fanboys that can't see that maybe some people aren't blindly convinced by idiotic "Switch" commercials?
That all sounds pretty complicated. My Athlon system on the other hand is just inherently fast without needing to worry about all that. Hmm. I thought Macs were made for newbies?! Trying to figure out how to install and run apps under MacOS X is a lot more complicated than Windows. They seem to just get dumped into a big disk image and copied to a folder on the hard drive where you have to go looking for it. Windows on the other hand adds a handy link to the start menu.
It definitely is a sneaky program. I noticed it even trying to connect out on port 20/tcp trying to masquerade as an active ftp data session. Thanks AOL dickheads. You couldn't isolate it to ONE port and let the network administrators choose whether to allow it or not could you? In my book that's the number one reason to ban AIM from the network even if it means filtering all AOL address space. Fuck 'em.
That'd be a great idea if in the mean time they also lowered the price of all their overpriced hardware by 50%. Then I'd be the first in line to pick up this switcher kit. Until then I guess I'm stuck building a PC because MacOS X is definitely not worth the $800 difference between my last PC and a high end Mac G4. :-/
Yea, afterall, those uncappers are known to be a violent heavily armed bunch. They were probably using the extra bandwidth to host terrorist-training servers using the widely available terrorist-training tool Counter-Strike. If they hadn't gone in prepared they might've got taken out by a camper with an awp.
Damn, Microsoft continues to prove they can make their interface look sweeter than anybody else. My X11 window manager, even when tripped out with themes doesn't look as smooth and as polished as that. Is it the anti-aliased fonts or what? It's just sweet looking. MacOS X's Aqua interface also is lacking IMHO compared to that. Maybe I will just wait for Longhorn and succumb like the other 95% of the population and just run Windows. It looks SO cool. OK, I'm done. I'll go back into Linux advocate rant mode now. Microsoft sucks. :-)
Typical capitalist yankees. Just because you pay for the majority of something doesn't mean you own it! It's called subsidies, sort of like welfare. See, poorer humans and nations deserve to get wealth redistributions from more wealthy nations. It's their right in a modern PC world.
At our school the costs are so cheap for their software in the bookstore because the university has a multimillion dollar contract with MS to buy software from them for the entire school. Cheap versions for students is just a side affect of that and it's most likely offset by the increased prices we pay in our technology fee.
Have you tried to sit down and actually READ that thing lately? It's really not interesting. Most Bibles I've seen are written in wording that makes Yoda seem like a Rhodes scholar. Is there any wonder there is such disinterest in something that is based around a bunch of made up stories that supposedly happened thousands of years ago? I'd be more than happy to faithfully follow Jesus's teachings if he'd take a moment to come back and perform some more miracles for us modern people. He did it for them two thousand years ago, why are we supposed to be so naive that we believe a bunch of folk stories? If I was god I wouldn't want my followers blindly following a bunch of half truths based on some notion of blind faith. Perform the miracles, show the awesome power of Jesus and God and make believers out of BILLIONS of people. What would it hurt? A few lousy miracles is all it would take. Bring someone back from the dead. Turn water into wine. Whatever... give us something to believe in again and we will follow you without question. All I get are riddles and rhymes from the clergy about how I have to have faith and god works in mysterious ways and other such bullshit. If god actually cared what the fuck was going on on this planet or whether we worshipped him or not he'd take a little more active role in trying to win over followers. The people running for public office have more dedicated constituents than the average religious follower! It's no wonder though, if they get elected at least you're pretty much guarenteed a handout. With God it's "well, maybe when you die you'll go to heaven and live in eternal happiness." Riiiiggghhht. Can I have that in writing? Oh yea, I forgot, it's probably a sin to dare question the word of god. Blah. OK, I guess I'm going to hell. Who's coming with me? :-)
I wasn't aware any of these corporations are non-profit charities. What's wrong with maximizing profits by adjusting prices in different countries? Adam Smith would be very proud of Nintendo right about now.
But that doesn't make sense. Why would Batman attack Superman? They're both Superfriends! D.C. comics is really dorky for turning two superfriends on each other like that in an unlikely battle. What's next, Flash vs. Green Lantern? Mr. Fantastic battling the Thing? Why do super hero friends always have to have a falling out and attack each other, aren't there enough supervillains to fight? Can't these guys just get along?
More importantly, I thought one of the editors (Hemos?) said there would be no Flash ads on Slashdot. Here I see one on the page for "Business Time Machine" completely with flashy graphics. I'm really trying to keep from blocking ads because I like reading this site and support them, but Flash ads are like pissing in a user's face. http://ad.doubleclick.net/adi/N815.osdn/B1060982;s z=336x280;ord=103590557103590557
ObSuperhero: Superman would of course beat the crap out of Batman. Why is this even a contest? Superman can fly, has super strength, is faster than a speeding bullet, can blow frost breath and freeze you, can shoot heat rays from his eyes, and he has xray vision among other things. He is for all intents and purposes a SUPER MAN! He is meant to be the most powerful super hero of them all yet people continually wimp him down into a piece of shit and he seems to get his ass kicked by the most unlikely of "super" villains. Give me a break! If you were Superman and you knew your ONE weakness in the entire world was kryptonite, wouldn't you go around and collect it all as your mission in life and throw it into the Sun? Batman is a techno weenie and would be naked without his stupid utility belt and gadgets. He's just a normal guy and not a super hero.
Granted, it will be good for people who are still running those 200MHz clunkers but what's the incentive if you're already running in the GHz range?
Unfortunately where I work the secretaries for division heads get these 3GHz machines and run Word on them while the scientists and technicians get to keep working on their Pentium 200MHz system. Maybe if they're lucky they get a hand-me-down from a secretary like a nice PIII-1GHz box.
I've been using Debian for a bit over a year now and I've NEVER had to use dselect for anything. Occassionally dpkg to fix a broken package that was causing apt-get to malfunction, but never dselect. dselect was the reason I decided to NOT switch to Debian for so long. I tried it awhile ago, got a system installed, ran dselect to try to install some other package, didn't understand what it was telling me, and watched as it uninstalled 50-60 core packages that were required for my working system. I was a bit stunned and didn't think such a touchy package selection program was quite right for me yet. Now, I don't really blame dselect all that much, it was just complicated to understand compared to apt-get, aptitude, etc. apt-get can be a pain when you install a package that is broken and suddenly you find you can't do ANYTHING with apt-get until you go off and fix it. I had a really horrible package I had to track down and delete a postrm script since it was erroring out and the package wouldn't delete even with force options in dpkg. That's just fucked up and they should seriously think about fixing that. A force all should ignore postrm errors and just get that package off the system at all costs, or at least leave the files if it must and delete the entry from the Debian package database so you can install a different version.
This, boys and girls, is exactly the reason Microsoft is so successful. More power to them. When was the last time you heard the average person waiting with baited breath for Red Hat 8.0 to come out? "Look! It now supports a new video card that shipped in my machine 12 months ago! Woohoo!"
Not a flame, just an observation. Microsoft really knows how to stir up the troops and get them excited over nothing but cybercrack. Open your wallets folks and enjoy the ride, I sure do.
Your post gave me an idea about how to solve all these problems! How about these companies determine how much bandwidth they have and divide it among the number of users minus a decent profit and then set the user's bandwidth accordingly? Oh right, that would make sense. Why even bother selling 1.5MBit/sec cable service if for all intents and purposes it is really 56kbps average? Just limit it to 56kpbs and admit you're a filthy fucking slimeball corporation and the business model of giving users t-1 speeds at a tenth of the price of a t-1 is flawed. Duh. I was saying that when DSL and cable were just starting out and I'll continue to say it. The economics just don't work out to make a profit selling DSL and cable unless you force users to not use the bandwidth you're promising. It's like "unlimited" dialup that kicks you off ever 2 hours whether you're using it or not and you can't stay connected all the time. It's a ripoff but they get away with it.
Eventually? You mean only if you have to connect to the backbone. Why connect to the overloaded busted commercial backbone that is the root of the problem when you've formed a successful co-op? :-) People will be beating down your door to use your unmetered network and it will become the defacto standard. Think of people migrating away from EFNet of the day to Dalnet and from there to smaller nets. The Internet has gotten too big and busted. Maybe it's time to shake things up a little and have seperate nets.
You mean you don't agree with my EULA for my worm that says it has the right to format your hard drive if you agree to this EULA on page 15 paragraph 3? I'm really waiting for someone to try that. "Hey, they agreed to let me wipe out their system! It's not MY fault they're stupid."
My Dell Inspiron 4000 gets about 4 hours on a battery. If I pop out the cdrom and replace it with another battery it lasts around 8 hours. More than enough for me. Quit being such a zealot fanboy. Just because it doesn't have a cute little Apple logo on it doesn't mean it is junk and you can't get any work done with it.