i didn't vote for him, but, i think this could be good. he is fairly pro-technology guy. plus, apple is trying to reclaim lost education market. algore is tight with the teachers unions. forget politics, apple is a corp., and they need access. algore brings that.
most schools have purchased their tech over the last few years. soon it will be obsolete. and there is not funding like there might be in business. school funding works diffedrently, we have to spend when we get it, and can't bank funds, or delay purchases. sucks. but that is how it is. soon schools will need to enter the next wave of tech purchases and directions. apple wants a shot at that. not a bad move for apple.
yes they're both "outdated". and yes, hardware ages at the same rate. the point is that mac hardware/software has a longer useful lifespan, and is more upgradable as far as os's are concerned. i would like to know how xp runs on that old pc. i'm sure it "runs", but what is lacking?
software design is the same for both platforms (in a general sense, its not like Mac programs are dramatically less taxing on a system or something like that)
i would argue that one. especially on os x, software design is not essentially the same. consider two similar apps using MFC, VB, and Cocoa. The MFC and VB apps will be 2-3 times as alrge and require much more memory.
i have an old 1998 233 mhz imac (with 4gb hdd and 6mb VRAM) that i upgraded to 160MB RAM. it runs jaguar great. can do all my LAMP (okay no L) development and even run office X (i know). try running XP on anything 5 years old. you can't. i haven't tried to run linux on it. pc hardware just deosn't have the lasting power, it seems. i wonder if apple tests their stuff on older hardware too. they might charge for jaguar, but many mac users can upgrade on their existing hardware. every new version of windows has required new hardware.
of course there is going to be some things that open source can't do, like oracle or db2. fine. but the problem is that for most average desktop users, kde/gnome, openoffice, evolution, mozilla, xmms, et al., is not only "sufficient", but excellent. besides, not having to drop money on anti-virus, security/lock down, software, remote access software, etc. and deal with admining windows.
then of course their is the red herring of "re-training". this is crap. i am a school teacher, and am involved in the school-to-career programs in our district. the businesses tell us they want computer literate people. they need basically to know the apps coming in, or be able to learn them on their own, and quickly (meaning computer skills). training takes a ton of time and money, and truth is, the ROI is poor. for many reasons. if they are computer idiots, they will screw up things, and require so much handholding.
<rant>as in all the teachers who "do macs, not PC's" i had to babysit through untold nightmare inservices so they could do win95</rant>
contrary to microsoft propaganda, licensing DOES consume a huge cost of the IT budget. not just in CAL, etc., but in the daily accounting, etc. just having to keep track of all the crap we have on our clients is a freakin nightmare.
the best answer i think is through a truly new, unique web GUI. so developers can build real, feature rich apps on a browser. swing is too slow and cumbersome (at least for now). the best i have seen is sash which uses javascript.
the depression was a result of a few things that date back to WWI. in th teens, with europe at war and no end in sight, wilson and especially the banks encouraged farmers borrow, borrow, borrow, and grow, grow, grow, since WWI was being fought on french farmlands. well, great idea. except, it takes about 2-3 years for the farmers to realize return and so by 1917, US enters the war, and within a year, it is over. (great move wooodrow. sorry, my $.02) so...farmers go bust. banks begin to feel the heat. large migration into the cities, where farmers are now competing with immigrants which drives down wages, etc. industry is doing well, but like today, it was built upon a bubble. so about late 20's, it begins to slip. germany can no longer pay its reparations to france and britain, who can no longer repay their loans to US banks. we decide to pass hawley-smoot tariff, and close off foreign trade. which causes huge banking losses. so...
the stock market was built on a bubble, like today. the collateral for a stock was the stock itself, and the holders had margins of like 10%. so, when the banks called their loans, and the stock was almost valueless, the banks began to fold. as banks began to fold, the stocks nosdived. and thus, october 29, the crash. (which btw, was not as big as the 1987 crash). since the economy was mostly cash based, the banks were way short cash, thus they close. now the good part...
the fed chairman, ben strong, was a student of marshallian economics. big time monetarist. so, there's a formula called the quantity theory of money, or MV=PQ.
#include <econ101.h>
basically, the quantity of money is supposed to be some proportion of the GDP. as GDP fell, ben strong "rightly" shrunk the money supply. then GDP fell, then strong shrunk money, etc., etc., etc. by 1932, the quantity of money was 2/3 of what it had been in 1929. thus, the severity of the depression. that is why some republicans, like jack kemp, have deep seated fears and distrust of the fed. also some democrats, since both see the power over the economy money has. long enough lecture.
well, they bought conectix, so they have the virtual machine down, and since the next gen. of hardware will be pretty fast, maybe even 64 bit, running an OS in side an OS will be fastr enough. so like OS 9 inside OS X it won't be an issue. plus, it will force migration to the new platform, sort of like mac has done.
Since the two OS's are designed largely for very different purposes
and what would those be? linux was designed as a desktop unix originally. that is is a great server paltform is testament to its quality, etc. but it was designed to runon top of x86 hardware, same with windows.
oh wait, i know what you mean. one was deigned to enslave and control you...gee i wonder which one, (those pesky finns)
That is to say, if everyone in the world stopped buying anything off a spam list they've gotten, it might not put a stop to spammers. If the spammer could convince a small business person that getting in contact with 60Million e-mail addresses could sell 5000 units of their product...
really, i think we'll see an end to spam when it is no longer an effective means of marketing. as long as it is working, we can expect to see spam. so, isn't the responsibility on us users?
macromedia and adobe both commit to the mac, and both have major upgrades of their flagship products, all designed to run on os x. even ms office is native to os x, and is superior by many reports to office xp (though i cannot attest to this, my office experience stopping around 97/2000 era). isync works very well with the palm. but maybe the fact remains that palm is having some problems competing against the pocket pc and other pda's. CS departments are adopting macs, er, pretty unix boxen, and there are plenty of apps. windows is full of crappy, vb shareware apps. (and yes, linux has its share of crappy gpl apps) but, for serious work, the mac is not only equal, but far superior to windows in several categories.
The problem with lacklustre third party development has prompted Apple to create its own browser, which it calls Safari.
pure FUD. apple has decided not to put its lot with m$. IE is full of holes, even on the mac. keynote is designed to take on powerpoint, and apple is even pushing OO.org/X on its site.
what i meant by it is this: if i am working in company A, and i have important data, than only people from company A can see it. like, i don't know, credit card numbers. if I control the DRM, than fine. i understand the problem. it can, and will be, used to evil intent. but, i don't think this is a black and white area. that's all. of course, i trust m$ as far as i could throw ballmer.
i agree that risking national security on m$ is like risking european safety on the french army
however, it it was an open standard, and could implemented across platforms, etc., it would be a great idea. i think we all share the sentiment: it is not the message, but the messenger.
besides the oblig. switch hands more often and that mom and dad know what running water means!!!, i'd say nothing. why? well, we are the sum of our experiences and even a small thing might mean huge changes.
i have two kids. and there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING IN THE WORLD i would do differently if it means not having my son and daughter. i am not trying to be sappy. i was offered several tecahing jobs right after i accepted my current job, chances for good coaching positions, etc., seven years ago. easily could've taken them, it was the summer, and all. no big deal, except i signed a contract, easy to get out of, but i'm not that sort of person. met my wife on the job, and we have two beautiful children.
who knows, maybe i say, look, do this or do that. maybe something inconsequential, but it matters. maybe i get into computers at 13 rather than 23, great. i am uber hacker, maybe!! maybe i am on linus' submitter list. great. am i don't have megan and nathan. no thanks. sorry, i suck, but it's true.
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i didn't vote for him, but, i think this could be good. he is fairly pro-technology guy. plus, apple is trying to reclaim lost education market. algore is tight with the teachers unions. forget politics, apple is a corp., and they need access. algore brings that.
most schools have purchased their tech over the last few years. soon it will be obsolete. and there is not funding like there might be in business. school funding works diffedrently, we have to spend when we get it, and can't bank funds, or delay purchases. sucks. but that is how it is. soon schools will need to enter the next wave of tech purchases and directions. apple wants a shot at that. not a bad move for apple.
yes they're both "outdated". and yes, hardware ages at the same rate. the point is that mac hardware/software has a longer useful lifespan, and is more upgradable as far as os's are concerned. i would like to know how xp runs on that old pc. i'm sure it "runs", but what is lacking?
software design is the same for both platforms (in a general sense, its not like Mac programs are dramatically less taxing on a system or something like that)
i would argue that one. especially on os x, software design is not essentially the same. consider two similar apps using MFC, VB, and Cocoa. The MFC and VB apps will be 2-3 times as alrge and require much more memory.
i have an old 1998 233 mhz imac (with 4gb hdd and 6mb VRAM) that i upgraded to 160MB RAM. it runs jaguar great. can do all my LAMP (okay no L) development and even run office X (i know). try running XP on anything 5 years old. you can't. i haven't tried to run linux on it. pc hardware just deosn't have the lasting power, it seems. i wonder if apple tests their stuff on older hardware too. they might charge for jaguar, but many mac users can upgrade on their existing hardware. every new version of windows has required new hardware.
wow. all those onmouseovers. neato.
of course there is going to be some things that open source can't do, like oracle or db2. fine. but the problem is that for most average desktop users, kde/gnome, openoffice, evolution, mozilla, xmms, et al., is not only "sufficient", but excellent. besides, not having to drop money on anti-virus, security/lock down, software, remote access software, etc. and deal with admining windows.
then of course their is the red herring of "re-training". this is crap. i am a school teacher, and am involved in the school-to-career programs in our district. the businesses tell us they want computer literate people. they need basically to know the apps coming in, or be able to learn them on their own, and quickly (meaning computer skills). training takes a ton of time and money, and truth is, the ROI is poor. for many reasons. if they are computer idiots, they will screw up things, and require so much handholding.
<rant>as in all the teachers who "do macs, not PC's" i had to babysit through untold nightmare inservices so they could do win95</rant>
contrary to microsoft propaganda, licensing DOES consume a huge cost of the IT budget. not just in CAL, etc., but in the daily accounting, etc. just having to keep track of all the crap we have on our clients is a freakin nightmare.
oh no, i didn't say that!!!
the best answer i think is through a truly new, unique web GUI. so developers can build real, feature rich apps on a browser. swing is too slow and cumbersome (at least for now). the best i have seen is sash which uses javascript.
let me corect a little history:
the depression was a result of a few things that date back to WWI. in th teens, with europe at war and no end in sight, wilson and especially the banks encouraged farmers borrow, borrow, borrow, and grow, grow, grow, since WWI was being fought on french farmlands. well, great idea. except, it takes about 2-3 years for the farmers to realize return and so by 1917, US enters the war, and within a year, it is over. (great move wooodrow. sorry, my $.02) so...farmers go bust. banks begin to feel the heat. large migration into the cities, where farmers are now competing with immigrants which drives down wages, etc. industry is doing well, but like today, it was built upon a bubble. so about late 20's, it begins to slip. germany can no longer pay its reparations to france and britain, who can no longer repay their loans to US banks. we decide to pass hawley-smoot tariff, and close off foreign trade. which causes huge banking losses. so...
the stock market was built on a bubble, like today. the collateral for a stock was the stock itself, and the holders had margins of like 10%. so, when the banks called their loans, and the stock was almost valueless, the banks began to fold. as banks began to fold, the stocks nosdived. and thus, october 29, the crash. (which btw, was not as big as the 1987 crash). since the economy was mostly cash based, the banks were way short cash, thus they close. now the good part...
the fed chairman, ben strong, was a student of marshallian economics. big time monetarist. so, there's a formula called the quantity theory of money, or MV=PQ.
#include <econ101.h>
basically, the quantity of money is supposed to be some proportion of the GDP. as GDP fell, ben strong "rightly" shrunk the money supply. then GDP fell, then strong shrunk money, etc., etc., etc. by 1932, the quantity of money was 2/3 of what it had been in 1929. thus, the severity of the depression. that is why some republicans, like jack kemp, have deep seated fears and distrust of the fed. also some democrats, since both see the power over the economy money has. long enough lecture.
well, they bought conectix, so they have the virtual machine down, and since the next gen. of hardware will be pretty fast, maybe even 64 bit, running an OS in side an OS will be fastr enough. so like OS 9 inside OS X it won't be an issue. plus, it will force migration to the new platform, sort of like mac has done.
Since the two OS's are designed largely for very different purposes
and what would those be? linux was designed as a desktop unix originally. that is is a great server paltform is testament to its quality, etc. but it was designed to runon top of x86 hardware, same with windows.
oh wait, i know what you mean. one was deigned to enslave and control you...gee i wonder which one, (those pesky finns)
More than 1.1 billion CDs are thrown out worldwide each year. For no reason.
AOL!!!
sorry, couldn't resist
I can't, but I bet Ballmer can!!
you wanna pick up somebody's perl code (or even your own) six months later?
apparently you don't frequent /. enough. because apple is dead
all your base belong to us
That is to say, if everyone in the world stopped buying anything off a spam list they've gotten, it might not put a stop to spammers. If the spammer could convince a small business person that getting in contact with 60Million e-mail addresses could sell 5000 units of their product...
how?
really, i think we'll see an end to spam when it is no longer an effective means of marketing. as long as it is working, we can expect to see spam. so, isn't the responsibility on us users?
does microsoft compile windows under wine?
macromedia and adobe both commit to the mac, and both have major upgrades of their flagship products, all designed to run on os x. even ms office is native to os x, and is superior by many reports to office xp (though i cannot attest to this, my office experience stopping around 97/2000 era). isync works very well with the palm. but maybe the fact remains that palm is having some problems competing against the pocket pc and other pda's. CS departments are adopting macs, er, pretty unix boxen, and there are plenty of apps. windows is full of crappy, vb shareware apps. (and yes, linux has its share of crappy gpl apps) but, for serious work, the mac is not only equal, but far superior to windows in several categories.
The problem with lacklustre third party development has prompted Apple to create its own browser, which it calls Safari.
pure FUD. apple has decided not to put its lot with m$. IE is full of holes, even on the mac. keynote is designed to take on powerpoint, and apple is even pushing OO.org/X on its site.
what i meant by it is this: if i am working in company A, and i have important data, than only people from company A can see it. like, i don't know, credit card numbers. if I control the DRM, than fine. i understand the problem. it can, and will be, used to evil intent. but, i don't think this is a black and white area. that's all. of course, i trust m$ as far as i could throw ballmer.
i agree that risking national security on m$ is like risking european safety on the french army
however, it it was an open standard, and could implemented across platforms, etc., it would be a great idea. i think we all share the sentiment: it is not the message, but the messenger.
besides the oblig. switch hands more often and that mom and dad know what running water means!!!, i'd say nothing. why? well, we are the sum of our experiences and even a small thing might mean huge changes.
i have two kids. and there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING IN THE WORLD i would do differently if it means not having my son and daughter. i am not trying to be sappy. i was offered several tecahing jobs right after i accepted my current job, chances for good coaching positions, etc., seven years ago. easily could've taken them, it was the summer, and all. no big deal, except i signed a contract, easy to get out of, but i'm not that sort of person. met my wife on the job, and we have two beautiful children.
who knows, maybe i say, look, do this or do that. maybe something inconsequential, but it matters. maybe i get into computers at 13 rather than 23, great. i am uber hacker, maybe!! maybe i am on linus' submitter list. great. am i don't have megan and nathan. no thanks. sorry, i suck, but it's true.
i am wondering, does it support windows? until it all hardware is supported under windows, we can't expect it to take off and appeal to the masses.
this is news to /. readers?