Let's go back to Joe User
Joe User isnt SSHing into his desktop
Does it display my apps?
Does it look nice?
That doesn't mean that there won't be a program developed, using the network tranperancy of X11, that allows joe user to easily and securely bring up his work desktop at home (ala GoToMyPC).
Right now, the open source X world is going through a Big flux. xorg has a developer base that is working on, and will feed back pretty little UI improvements as they become stable and mature (X Server). That will come. Several projects have tried to come up with an alternative for X, and very few have gained popularity for one reason or another. The activation energy required for a whole new UI system for *nix has shown to be a damn hard hill to climb.
because I (at this stage) doubt that there will ever bee enough of a user community to support a fully featured open source desktop GIS (unless maybe one is eventually built from the libraries being built for other OS GIS, things like GDAL, Proj4 and PostGIS).
I tend to agree with this. It kind of makes me want to take some time out after I finish my current research project and rewrite the interface for GRASS in gtk, qt, wxwindows - anything more modern than TCL/TK. While the interface isn't extremely difficult to figure out as it is right now, there are a lot of little annoyances that could be avoided. I would have to dig in to whatever gui library I chose, but I think it would go a long way towards building a stronger user base. I mean...it's a scary interface at first. Oh, and GRASS right now does use GDAL and PostGIS...not sure about Proj4, though.
I actually did run across that when I was looking to download data to feed into GRASS (before we got the licensing fiasco dealt with for ArcGIS...I've really come to despise pay-to-use software...it's a pain in the ass). I didn't actually get to use the data i downloaded, but as the project continues i probably will.
If you want to know what it is that i need, basically i need DEM raster data and stream vector data to delineate watersheds. As the project develops, i'm going to need historic fire data to lay over the watersheds, and information about the fire's intensity and duration.
By PC, you mean windows machine...right? Just curious, because i have 3 personal computers in my room, and one server. Only one of those "PCs" run windows.
Sorry to nitpick, the pidgeon-holed use of the term PC has been a thorn in my ass since someone first asked me if I used a Mac or a PC. MACS ARE JUST AS PERSONAL AS WINDOWS MACHINES! Arguably more personal, as they currently get hijacked less often. Same goes for open source *nix machines and well-patched UNIX machines.
heh. I do my work on campus in my office there. Today being saturday, and it being night time, i'm not on campus in my office, and thus do not have the links on hand. Google for USGS DEM and you'll find plenty of starting points.
Oh, I agree. I also feel that until a viable alternative like hydrogen power becomes self perpetuating (that is, we use hydrogen power to produce hydrogen to create more hydrogent power), we'll need clean, reseeding or feeder nuclear plants to sever our ties from fossil fuel and other non-renewables, coupled with distributed solar and wind power plants. Personally, i prefer a decentralized community-to-community grid solution...but that's really dreaming.
ArcGIS runs in windows, linux, AIX, HP-UX and solaris. There's some functionality difference in ArcView once you enter the *nix/UNIX world, but it does exist.
As an undergrad researcher currently doin a heavily GIS-intensive project, i have to say the data is out there. In the US, the USGS provides multitudes of data for free, as does the EPA (the BASINS dataset is HUGE and completely free). Granted, it's hard as fuck to track down if you don't know someone who has already had to sift through the many, many websites out there that hold the data - but it's out there. What needs to be done, I think, is for the community to create some kind of central portal that makes it easy to find, and then download all of the data. THAT would be helpful.
Not only is it heavily subsidised, the rates don't take into account the entire cost of mining and processing the radioactive material. "Cheap" nuclear power is a myth, perpetuated by the pseudo-capitalism we have in this country.
Port 25 isn't a commonly blocked port by many broadband ISP's, i don't think. It's not blocked by mine, even though they do block port 80. I would think traffic caused by home e-mail servers wouldn't be much to worry about for an ISP, nor would it cause them any liability (unlike warez servers or home-hosted porn sites). I doubt it's a big deal to many ISPs, unless they're run by fascists.
Now that i think about that more, spam would be an issue for an ISP to worry about. And think what would happen if every household ran their own e-mail server, considering most people are too lazy to even patch their windows machines. I would imagine there would be quite a hijacked servers spewing even more spam across the vast expanse of the internet.
Indeed. I am now even more glad i've got a nice tight FreeBSD box running under my desk 24/7 servin' me up all kinds of good junk, e-mail being one of them.
I believe the guy's just pointing out that while we're more than happy to scream about MS' flaws, we're not so eager to apply the same indepth critique of popular opensource programs that sometimes display the same or similar flaws. He said nothing about MSVC being any better than GCC or being without flaw.
How about you stop complaining and hold your own point of view. If people see the movie and believe it as complete fact without questioning it at all or considering the other side, then Moore has just provided himself with more evidence of the stupidity of American culture. It's infuriating that when someone from the left comes along and ploddingly screetches one-sided propaghanda, everyone on the right gets completely up-in-arms. But I suppose that's bound to happen when one side adopts the other's tactics.
The figure heads of both "sides" are just players in two circuses of fools, and (in my humble opinion) anyone who tows the party line without question is just another one of those fools. Politics is not a skeptical endevour, it's a clash of multiple dogmas. There's no substantial difference between them, in most cases. The only difference really lays in ideology, otherwise all sides are equal: equally corrupt, equally truthless, equally obnoxious, etc. I guess what i'm getting at here is that if you simply write Moore of as a lying sack of pig vomit, then you're no better than Moore himself. Even liars can have valid points.
I believe he meant the converse. Not reading the names of the dead in a war that is highly partisan (with conservative overwhemlingly in favor of it) just allows people to forget the fact that soldiers ARE dieing half way across the world. A liberal leaning station/reporter would read the names to discredit the war and give their side more postivie marks, whereas a conservative station would ignore the deaths, and focus on how bad the bad guys are.
I experienced that at the punk voter tour this year. Went there to see Jello give a 15 minute talk, but I had to wade through all the NOFX lovers in the croud that tried to boo Jello off stage, most of them not knowing that he was the brains behind DK, simply because they were anxious to hear Hot Dog In A Hallway or some other seeminly meaningless song. When Fat Mike got up after him he just kind of glared at the crowd. Nothing against NOFX, they have some great, politically charged songs but man...their fans tend to be jerkoffs. I think myself and maybe 20 other people in a crowd of at least 1500 held our fists up in solidarity as Jello preached. Made me lose a lot of faith in the punk kids of today.
When I started out, I cut my teeth on Mandrake. It was easy, but I did nothing for two weeks but say, "Man! Look at all these fractal programs!" A week later I installed slack...that's when I began to love *nix. The curve went from a slope of zero to exponential. The slackware installer even has a good intro for a newbie. It's nothing to be afraid of.
Slashdot Mirror
Oh, and here's a link that might shed some light on the "lp0 on fire" bits:
burn baby, burn.
bahahaha. I want that to show up on my system logs. I feel so cheated.
Let's go back to Joe User Joe User isnt SSHing into his desktop Does it display my apps? Does it look nice?
That doesn't mean that there won't be a program developed, using the network tranperancy of X11, that allows joe user to easily and securely bring up his work desktop at home (ala GoToMyPC).
Right now, the open source X world is going through a Big flux. xorg has a developer base that is working on, and will feed back pretty little UI improvements as they become stable and mature (X Server). That will come. Several projects have tried to come up with an alternative for X, and very few have gained popularity for one reason or another. The activation energy required for a whole new UI system for *nix has shown to be a damn hard hill to climb.
because I (at this stage) doubt that there will ever bee enough of a user community to support a fully featured open source desktop GIS (unless maybe one is eventually built from the libraries being built for other OS GIS, things like GDAL, Proj4 and PostGIS).
I tend to agree with this. It kind of makes me want to take some time out after I finish my current research project and rewrite the interface for GRASS in gtk, qt, wxwindows - anything more modern than TCL/TK. While the interface isn't extremely difficult to figure out as it is right now, there are a lot of little annoyances that could be avoided. I would have to dig in to whatever gui library I chose, but I think it would go a long way towards building a stronger user base. I mean...it's a scary interface at first. Oh, and GRASS right now does use GDAL and PostGIS...not sure about Proj4, though.
I actually did run across that when I was looking to download data to feed into GRASS (before we got the licensing fiasco dealt with for ArcGIS...I've really come to despise pay-to-use software...it's a pain in the ass). I didn't actually get to use the data i downloaded, but as the project continues i probably will.
If you want to know what it is that i need, basically i need DEM raster data and stream vector data to delineate watersheds. As the project develops, i'm going to need historic fire data to lay over the watersheds, and information about the fire's intensity and duration.
By PC, you mean windows machine...right? Just curious, because i have 3 personal computers in my room, and one server. Only one of those "PCs" run windows.
Sorry to nitpick, the pidgeon-holed use of the term PC has been a thorn in my ass since someone first asked me if I used a Mac or a PC. MACS ARE JUST AS PERSONAL AS WINDOWS MACHINES! Arguably more personal, as they currently get hijacked less often. Same goes for open source *nix machines and well-patched UNIX machines.
heh. I do my work on campus in my office there. Today being saturday, and it being night time, i'm not on campus in my office, and thus do not have the links on hand. Google for USGS DEM and you'll find plenty of starting points.
That's because both sides want desperately to set legal precedents in their favor. It's how our system of law works.
Oh, I agree. I also feel that until a viable alternative like hydrogen power becomes self perpetuating (that is, we use hydrogen power to produce hydrogen to create more hydrogent power), we'll need clean, reseeding or feeder nuclear plants to sever our ties from fossil fuel and other non-renewables, coupled with distributed solar and wind power plants. Personally, i prefer a decentralized community-to-community grid solution...but that's really dreaming.
ArcGIS runs in windows, linux, AIX, HP-UX and solaris. There's some functionality difference in ArcView once you enter the *nix/UNIX world, but it does exist.
check it out
It seems they might have changed things in version 9, but i'm not totally sure. Either way, i don't like the product.
As an undergrad researcher currently doin a heavily GIS-intensive project, i have to say the data is out there. In the US, the USGS provides multitudes of data for free, as does the EPA (the BASINS dataset is HUGE and completely free). Granted, it's hard as fuck to track down if you don't know someone who has already had to sift through the many, many websites out there that hold the data - but it's out there. What needs to be done, I think, is for the community to create some kind of central portal that makes it easy to find, and then download all of the data. THAT would be helpful.
Not only is it heavily subsidised, the rates don't take into account the entire cost of mining and processing the radioactive material. "Cheap" nuclear power is a myth, perpetuated by the pseudo-capitalism we have in this country.
Makes perfect sense. A one-time fee to an environmental consultant to write up an impact statement totally justifies the higher fixed rate.
Pfftt... oh yeah?
11:57PM up 2 days, 8:09, 4 users, load averages: 1.02, 1.05, 1.00
I so kicked your ass.
Oh, and...
5:05PM up 59 days, 10:42, 1 user, load averages: 0.27, 0.12, 0.09
OH YEAH!
Huh...now that i look at that...i should probably run ntpdate on my router. It was 5:05 PM 6 hours 52 minutes ago.
I don't think he actually uses Gentoo. He might...but I doubt it highly. That being said, I doubt he cares.
Preach it.
Port 25 isn't a commonly blocked port by many broadband ISP's, i don't think. It's not blocked by mine, even though they do block port 80. I would think traffic caused by home e-mail servers wouldn't be much to worry about for an ISP, nor would it cause them any liability (unlike warez servers or home-hosted porn sites). I doubt it's a big deal to many ISPs, unless they're run by fascists.
Now that i think about that more, spam would be an issue for an ISP to worry about. And think what would happen if every household ran their own e-mail server, considering most people are too lazy to even patch their windows machines. I would imagine there would be quite a hijacked servers spewing even more spam across the vast expanse of the internet.
Indeed. I am now even more glad i've got a nice tight FreeBSD box running under my desk 24/7 servin' me up all kinds of good junk, e-mail being one of them.
I believe the guy's just pointing out that while we're more than happy to scream about MS' flaws, we're not so eager to apply the same indepth critique of popular opensource programs that sometimes display the same or similar flaws. He said nothing about MSVC being any better than GCC or being without flaw.
How about you stop complaining and hold your own point of view. If people see the movie and believe it as complete fact without questioning it at all or considering the other side, then Moore has just provided himself with more evidence of the stupidity of American culture. It's infuriating that when someone from the left comes along and ploddingly screetches one-sided propaghanda, everyone on the right gets completely up-in-arms. But I suppose that's bound to happen when one side adopts the other's tactics.
The figure heads of both "sides" are just players in two circuses of fools, and (in my humble opinion) anyone who tows the party line without question is just another one of those fools. Politics is not a skeptical endevour, it's a clash of multiple dogmas. There's no substantial difference between them, in most cases. The only difference really lays in ideology, otherwise all sides are equal: equally corrupt, equally truthless, equally obnoxious, etc. I guess what i'm getting at here is that if you simply write Moore of as a lying sack of pig vomit, then you're no better than Moore himself. Even liars can have valid points.
I believe he meant the converse. Not reading the names of the dead in a war that is highly partisan (with conservative overwhemlingly in favor of it) just allows people to forget the fact that soldiers ARE dieing half way across the world. A liberal leaning station/reporter would read the names to discredit the war and give their side more postivie marks, whereas a conservative station would ignore the deaths, and focus on how bad the bad guys are.
I experienced that at the punk voter tour this year. Went there to see Jello give a 15 minute talk, but I had to wade through all the NOFX lovers in the croud that tried to boo Jello off stage, most of them not knowing that he was the brains behind DK, simply because they were anxious to hear Hot Dog In A Hallway or some other seeminly meaningless song. When Fat Mike got up after him he just kind of glared at the crowd. Nothing against NOFX, they have some great, politically charged songs but man...their fans tend to be jerkoffs. I think myself and maybe 20 other people in a crowd of at least 1500 held our fists up in solidarity as Jello preached. Made me lose a lot of faith in the punk kids of today.
Dude, I have fragile teeth, lay off.
That was, however, the point of my post. Mandrake holds your hand.
Once again, a valuable post by an AC.
When I started out, I cut my teeth on Mandrake. It was easy, but I did nothing for two weeks but say, "Man! Look at all these fractal programs!" A week later I installed slack...that's when I began to love *nix. The curve went from a slope of zero to exponential. The slackware installer even has a good intro for a newbie. It's nothing to be afraid of.