"Beta format analog video cassette recorder, unless such recorder conforms to the automatic gain control copy control technology, except that this requirement shall not apply until there are 1,000 Beta format analog video cassette recorders sold in the United States in any one calendar year after the date of the enactment of this chapter; "
Firstly, I've got nothing against paying for software if: a). it's good b). it's realistically priced for what it is c). it's realistically priced in relation to price of similar products of similar quality
Ok, let's take for granted that Opera have indeed nailed a) and that the product is smokin'! And yes, they support a heap of OS's and Dists. Wow debs too! This can't be cheap, and I can see someone has to pay for this. But c'mon, the pricing fails common sense economics.
Most browsers are of similar standard and are free eg: Mozilla, IE6, Netscape. Economics 101 would state that Opera should be at least near to these prices. Not free, but not overpriced. Let's say "modestly priced".
I'll go further to say, IMHO if it were say US$10, then a heck of a lot more people would say, "yeah ok I'll shell out for that". Opera might even make more money with a higher turnover.
As it stands, there's no way I'd shell out US$39 for a webbrowser, no matter how good. $20, hmmm maybe, if it's good. $10, well ok, if I like it better than what I am currently using. I bet there are many out there who feel the same.
There is a market of people who are obviously using the Ad-supported version and are enjoying it. With a realistic pricing strategy, Opera could tap into this market if they really wanted to.
In my dept, I use Photoshop every day on an X terminal running Solaris 9. It is an empty box that boots the OS from the network. From there, I punch up a Windows 2000 screen and run photoshop. This crappy old P166 runs like a Pentium 3 for X Windows - except for anything animated. Not running any proprietary Citrix, just remote desktop. Pretty cheap Photoshop machine really.
I personally think that remote X is one of the most amazing thing about X Windows. Especially in the office environment.
I personally would like to see the remote X windows feature kept by both forks, but as an installable option instead of bloating X out for those who have no need of it. Both need to be an option.
Perhaps a separate xserver-xfree86-remote option instead of choosing xserver-xfree86?
Regarding the forks/split of X projects, the last thing I'd like to see is a lack of standardization in the GNU/Linux arena for X. One of the most option used complaint about GNU/Linux is the lack of standardization (even with the LSB).
Lexmark printers seem to have longer warranties than most. I bought one for a friend over a year ago, and no problems. It was dirt cheap and had something stupid like a 5 year warranty!
What I find funny is, that it's like this story (urban myth perhaps) about the woman who had a thriving business of disposing of peoples dead pets in a big city for about $50. Other disposal options were too expensive for many people, so she made a stack of cash.
She would simply buy a cheap and nasty ($5) suitcase for a couple of bucks. Put the dead animal in it, and leave the suitcase at a crouded train station. Of course, the suitcase wasn't sitting there long before someone steals it.....
You can draw many parrellels of this MS situation here. I guess after 911, this scenario might not be advisable.
Anyways, the kind of people who rip off proprietary software, are not the types who would actually shell out the mega bucks for it anyways - even if it were no warez or serialz available for them.
1). tomsrtbt Linux on a floppy - essential! 2). Windows 98SE boot floppy 3). Knoppix 3.2 bottable Linux on a CD. 4). Memtest86 bootable CD for testing RAM - excellent! 5). DOS freeware F-Prot and recent virus definitions 6). Norton's DOS utilities 7). Various HD setup utilities (eg: Western Digital, Seagate boot floppies) 8). Freesco Linux router/webserver on a floppy 9). Sample linux config files (eg: XFConfig-4, fstab, etc) 10). Frozen-Bubble bootable CD for times of stress
Re:I'd rather...
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@ uso
XP/2000/NT have 'emulation' of a DOS command prompt. They are not legacy, but instead are just being 'clever' (some may argue this).
Under your definition there is no OS that isn't legacy. MacOS X run on Unix, all Windows variants have a command prompt of some means......, BeOS...., oS2... Linux, BSD, Solaris.......
If I built a totally new OS with no command prompt, yet someone created a terminal emulation program or DOS command prompt emulation program, and I included it in my OS, would that make my OS legacy. Think about it before answering.
If Red Hat used.debs and apt-get, people could "apt-get dist-upgrade" their systems to the latest - and only update the packages they got installed, rather than a stack of CD images. Probably a 200-300MB download as opposed to a couple of 650MB iso's.
Red Hat could release.iso's to subscribers whenever they liked - and then at a later stage open the apt repositories to the rest. Many would prefer to wait for apt, rather than download massive iso files.
Kernel:
Clever installer detected my laptop and installed klaptop packages, but the SuSE kernel didn't even have the magical ACPI "control method battery" feature (either in the kernel source or as a module) to run it!!!!! There were a few minimal ACPI modules available.
So I get to look at a damn ugly icon of a battery with a line through it saying that my kernel does not have the ACPI features to run the program.
To get it to work, do we need to purchase the new version? Or download a generic non-SuSE'ed kernel source?
"Clever" YaST2?
Oh yeah, and the "clever" auto-config-my-system program kept overwriting my changes to the/etc files with it's own. Dag nabbit!
"Clever hardware detect?
The built-in mouse/knob-thingamee kept getting redetected at boot time as new hardware every 3rd or 4th boot. I get a nasty text version of Yast asking me to select (again - for the millionth time) the same mouse/pointer. And "no" I haven't been using any external mouse devices.
THE SOLUTION:
Perhaps SuSE should fix their bugs on the current version, before charging people for a newer version.
Obviously not long enough to give them any credibility in the business environment. Ok for the home user, but shhheeeeshhhh I wouldn't do a LAN install with any of these release-every-3-to-6-months dists.
I wonder how Microsoft will convince consumers that loss of control is a good thing, and how long the convincing will take
Simple, they are planning on making people so dependant on their plaform, that they will have to upgrade if they wish to continue on the Windows platform. Much how they forced people on Win95 and WinNT to upgrade if they wish to continue to run certain software designed for Windows platform or to keep their computers secure.
Examples that come to mind:
Anything that requires DirectX9 or newer.
Anything that requires IE6 or newer.
Anything that requires the new Windows installer eg: Sonic Foundary's AcidPro 3 or newer.
Anything that requires the.NET framework.
Any product that relies on the Media Player 7 or better.
This time, they will get away with it easily because:
Excuses like: "The new features required by product x cannot be implemented in these older OS's without a complete rewrite from the ground up."
They have set a precedent by doing it already.
The new licensing scheme is setting them up for this strategic move.
MS generated FUD regarding Open Source Sofware and alternative OS's.
Their goal is to get people so dependant on their system:
Companies will have invested soo much money on MS technologies, that to write it off would be hard to justify.
Systems, Databases, E-Commerce all built on expensive MS "solutions" have got many by the balls already.
The sheer number of people who have done it the MS way for years, and the cost of educating these people.
Much like any country under oppressive dictatorship. It's sometimes easier to go with the flow, rather than revolt.
I gotta agree that Windows 95 is still hard to beat. Even on a crappy P133 with a clean install of Win95, the GUI is FAAAASTTT!!! It's functional and easy to navigate. With every new version of Windows the performance decreases and access to vital stuff gets obscured behind layers of "more user-friendly" GUI.
That being said, KDE3.1.1 looks awesome with it's eye candy, but wish it still had the fast response and cleanness of Windows 95.
I am a Debian user, but very much like the YaST2 / SaX install features of SuSE 8.1. It is GREAT for n00b users, and easier to install than MS Windows. It even detected correctly my oldball fixed frequency monitor. Previously, I had to locate the specific frequencies and bang them into the XFConfig-4 file. It installs a common-sense desktop setup with everything you need. It even auto sets-up a dual boot with WinXP for you (although the default option is to delete XP). On a Toshiba laptop, the battery features don't work because the kernel source is neutered for decent ACPI features, and every other boot the mouse is redetected as new h/w. But they have done a great job so far!
Now, if SuSE switched to apt-get (not the cheap rpm imitation version), and the.deb package system, and also let you 'apt-get dist-upgrade' to the next version..... it'd be the best dist out there.
There are plenty of good uses for your old G4 Mac:
1). A internet/email computer for your mother-in-law
2). A Word Processor
3). A doorstop or paperweight
4). Uh.... I've run out of ideas - anyone else?:P
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And a few lines down:
" Beta format analog video cassette recorder, unless such recorder conforms to the automatic gain control copy control technology, except that this requirement shall not apply until there are 1,000 Beta format analog video cassette recorders sold in the United States in any one calendar year after the date of the enactment of this chapter; "
Firstly, I've got nothing against paying for software if:
a). it's good
b). it's realistically priced for what it is
c). it's realistically priced in relation to price of similar products of similar quality
Ok, let's take for granted that Opera have indeed nailed a) and that the product is smokin'! And yes, they support a heap of OS's and Dists. Wow debs too! This can't be cheap, and I can see someone has to pay for this. But c'mon, the pricing fails common sense economics.
Most browsers are of similar standard and are free eg: Mozilla, IE6, Netscape. Economics 101 would state that Opera should be at least near to these prices. Not free, but not overpriced. Let's say "modestly priced".
I'll go further to say, IMHO if it were say US$10, then a heck of a lot more people would say, "yeah ok I'll shell out for that". Opera might even make more money with a higher turnover.
As it stands, there's no way I'd shell out US$39 for a webbrowser, no matter how good. $20, hmmm maybe, if it's good. $10, well ok, if I like it better than what I am currently using. I bet there are many out there who feel the same.
There is a market of people who are obviously using the Ad-supported version and are enjoying it. With a realistic pricing strategy, Opera could tap into this market if they really wanted to.
In my dept, I use Photoshop every day on an X terminal running Solaris 9. It is an empty box that boots the OS from the network. From there, I punch up a Windows 2000 screen and run photoshop. This crappy old P166 runs like a Pentium 3 for X Windows - except for anything animated. Not running any proprietary Citrix, just remote desktop. Pretty cheap Photoshop machine really.
I personally think that remote X is one of the most amazing thing about X Windows. Especially in the office environment.
I personally would like to see the remote X windows feature kept by both forks, but as an installable option instead of bloating X out for those who have no need of it. Both need to be an option.
Perhaps a separate xserver-xfree86-remote option instead of choosing xserver-xfree86?
Regarding the forks/split of X projects, the last thing I'd like to see is a lack of standardization in the GNU/Linux arena for X. One of the most option used complaint about GNU/Linux is the lack of standardization (even with the LSB).
Lexmark printers seem to have longer warranties than most. I bought one for a friend over a year ago, and no problems. It was dirt cheap and had something stupid like a 5 year warranty!
What I find funny is, that it's like this story (urban myth perhaps) about the woman who had a thriving business of disposing of peoples dead pets in a big city for about $50. Other disposal options were too expensive for many people, so she made a stack of cash.
She would simply buy a cheap and nasty ($5) suitcase for a couple of bucks. Put the dead animal in it, and leave the suitcase at a crouded train station. Of course, the suitcase wasn't sitting there long before someone steals it.....
You can draw many parrellels of this MS situation here. I guess after 911, this scenario might not be advisable.
Anyways, the kind of people who rip off proprietary software, are not the types who would actually shell out the mega bucks for it anyways - even if it were no warez or serialz available for them.
1). tomsrtbt Linux on a floppy - essential!
2). Windows 98SE boot floppy
3). Knoppix 3.2 bottable Linux on a CD.
4). Memtest86 bootable CD for testing RAM - excellent!
5). DOS freeware F-Prot and recent virus definitions
6). Norton's DOS utilities
7). Various HD setup utilities (eg: Western Digital, Seagate boot floppies)
8). Freesco Linux router/webserver on a floppy
9). Sample linux config files (eg: XFConfig-4, fstab, etc)
10). Frozen-Bubble bootable CD for times of stress
@ uso
XP/2000/NT have 'emulation' of a DOS command prompt. They are not legacy, but instead are just being 'clever' (some may argue this).
Under your definition there is no OS that isn't legacy. MacOS X run on Unix, all Windows variants have a command prompt of some means......, BeOS...., oS2... Linux, BSD, Solaris.......
If I built a totally new OS with no command prompt, yet someone created a terminal emulation program or DOS command prompt emulation program, and I included it in my OS, would that make my OS legacy. Think about it before answering.
Yeah... and read someone elses 'proganda' instead? Never trust anything you read in the media - there's always someone's spin.
Anyways, what's this got to do with CD's?
http://search.cpan.org/author/DCONWAY/Acme-Bleach- 1.12/lib/Acme/Bleach.pm
There is a FAR BETTER way:
.debs and apt-get, people could "apt-get dist-upgrade" their systems to the latest - and only update the packages they got installed, rather than a stack of CD images. Probably a 200-300MB download as opposed to a couple of 650MB iso's.
.iso's to subscribers whenever they liked - and then at a later stage open the apt repositories to the rest. Many would prefer to wait for apt, rather than download massive iso files.
If Red Hat used
Red Hat could release
Kernel:
/etc files with it's own. Dag nabbit!
Clever installer detected my laptop and installed klaptop packages, but the SuSE kernel didn't even have the magical ACPI "control method battery" feature (either in the kernel source or as a module) to run it!!!!! There were a few minimal ACPI modules available.
So I get to look at a damn ugly icon of a battery with a line through it saying that my kernel does not have the ACPI features to run the program.
To get it to work, do we need to purchase the new version? Or download a generic non-SuSE'ed kernel source?
"Clever" YaST2?
Oh yeah, and the "clever" auto-config-my-system program kept overwriting my changes to the
"Clever hardware detect?
The built-in mouse/knob-thingamee kept getting redetected at boot time as new hardware every 3rd or 4th boot. I get a nasty text version of Yast asking me to select (again - for the millionth time) the same mouse/pointer. And "no" I haven't been using any external mouse devices.
THE SOLUTION:
Perhaps SuSE should fix their bugs on the current version, before charging people for a newer version.
Obviously not long enough to give them any credibility in the business environment. Ok for the home user, but shhheeeeshhhh I wouldn't do a LAN install with any of these release-every-3-to-6-months dists.
Good one! :-)
Isn't there a car aleady called that?
;-)
Try "Lexus".
Simple, they are planning on making people so dependant on their plaform, that they will have to upgrade if they wish to continue on the Windows platform. Much how they forced people on Win95 and WinNT to upgrade if they wish to continue to run certain software designed for Windows platform or to keep their computers secure.
Examples that come to mind:
- Anything that requires DirectX9 or newer.
- Anything that requires IE6 or newer.
- Anything that requires the new Windows installer eg: Sonic Foundary's AcidPro 3 or newer.
- Anything that requires the
.NET framework.
- Any product that relies on the Media Player 7 or better.
This time, they will get away with it easily because:- Excuses like: "The new features required by product x cannot be implemented in these older OS's without a complete rewrite from the ground up."
- They have set a precedent by doing it already.
- The new licensing scheme is setting them up for this strategic move.
- MS generated FUD regarding Open Source Sofware and alternative OS's.
Their goal is to get people so dependant on their system:I gotta agree that Windows 95 is still hard to beat. Even on a crappy P133 with a clean install of Win95, the GUI is FAAAASTTT!!! It's functional and easy to navigate. With every new version of Windows the performance decreases and access to vital stuff gets obscured behind layers of "more user-friendly" GUI.
That being said, KDE3.1.1 looks awesome with it's eye candy, but wish it still had the fast response and cleanness of Windows 95.
I am a Debian user, but very much like the YaST2 / SaX install features of SuSE 8.1. It is GREAT for n00b users, and easier to install than MS Windows. It even detected correctly my oldball fixed frequency monitor. Previously, I had to locate the specific frequencies and bang them into the XFConfig-4 file. It installs a common-sense desktop setup with everything you need. It even auto sets-up a dual boot with WinXP for you (although the default option is to delete XP). On a Toshiba laptop, the battery features don't work because the kernel source is neutered for decent ACPI features, and every other boot the mouse is redetected as new h/w. But they have done a great job so far!
.deb package system, and also let you 'apt-get dist-upgrade' to the next version..... it'd be the best dist out there.
Now, if SuSE switched to apt-get (not the cheap rpm imitation version), and the
There are plenty of good uses for your old G4 Mac: 1). A internet/email computer for your mother-in-law 2). A Word Processor 3). A doorstop or paperweight 4). Uh.... I've run out of ideas - anyone else? :P
Isn't "Jaguar" already someone else's registered trademark?
Give me a wireless, optical, with 5 mouse buttons and a scroll wheel any day! ;-)
KDE3.1 is wonderful. Mine locks up. Can't figure it out. Have to use the magic SysRq key to reset my pc.
I have reverted to KDE 3.0.5a which is a big step backwards. I didn't think so, when upgrading to 3.1, but the two look real different!
We are indebted to Richard for GNU/FSF. Thanks dude! Keep on fighting!
;-)
However, a world without EMACS would be a happier place.
Just had to crack that one in there.
I just finished copying all 7 CD's of 8.1 and they release another. I just SuSE had apt, then I could upgrade easy.
> I'll break even on the money I paid that kid to change the K to a Y for me
;-)
I never heard of Koper. Or YDE for that matter. What are these?