I mean, what possible benifit could there be in releasing their browser for free? Besides, that'd be anti-compatitive and monopolistic, and I trust MS never to do anything that predatory.
That's true, but I was referring more to the way media companies kept claiming it was going to drive them out of business. That and the attitude of most people to the morality of it, ie "it's against the law but everyone does it."
So, tell me, in your remarkably perceptive "I'm going to steal my neighbour's car" analogy, did you stop to consider that it has absolutely no fucking relation to file sharing?
My guess is the following: no.
My guess is that you are just stupidly repeating the party line and trying to apply a real life situation to something that does not exist in real life. This is what the RIAA has done and it didn't work. They're falling behind the times and nobody listens and nobody considers it theft, do you know why? It's not because 43 million Americans are natural born criminals, it's because 43 Americans don't see the sharing of files as a crime.
Let's take your analogy with the fat, ugly baldass neighbour. He offers his car for sale one day. Rather than buying his car, you simply create a perfect copy of it and drive that instead. That is what you are talking about. However, even this analogy is flawed. Cars and music are completely seperate and different purchase types. Somebody, if they could get a car for free, wouldn't buy that car again for the hell of it.
I don't know about you, but my biggest music downloading friends (we're talking >20GB) are also the biggest album buyers. I, on the other hand listen to almost no mass-produced music. I have somewhere on the order of 25 mp3s that I don't have the right to listen to, the rest are independent or freely available. I have only purchased something like 4 CDs in my life, and 3 of them were gifts.
To finish off my argument, your essential points were the following:
- Music sharing is stealing (it's not, you're not actually taking anything) - Music sharing directly impacts buying (it doesn't, people tend to buy albums regardless of mp3s) - Music sharing is morally wrong (it isn't - if it was, why would everyone thing it's okay?)
The analogy to speeding was a nice one, but a better one is videotape copying and cassette tape copying. Remember those technologies that have been around for years? Remember how the record/movie industry constantly complained about them? Remember how IT DIDN'T MATTER A DAMN because people still bought movies and still copied tapes and still listened to music just the same as they always have and always will.
What we're seeing is simply the evolution of technology. You, sir, are the kind of person who'd rather see is all sitting in caves.
Actually, in another movie, I believe it was The Faculty, an interesting idea was that the aliens helped people to create sci-fi movies with aliens in them. The purpose of this was to make everyone think that aliens were just fictional and thus not take any real alien invasion seriously.
Not quite... here's what I see happening in 50 years.
Finally, someone invents what was considered to be impossible, cheap and efficient matter cloning that can finally put an end to the starving masses and bring poverty to its knees. It can clone prescription drugs and cure millions and all this with practically no cost. This is considered to be the pinnacle of human endeavour, surpassing even the Genome project and the invention of the computer. Scientists throughout the world rejoice at the thought of their invention bringing happiness to the lives of the destitute.
Then comes the DRM. "Sorry, you have not been authorised to clone this loaf of bread... request denied!" and suddenly the cycle starts all over again. Over in poverty-stricken parts of Africa and Asia, bootleg food-images become popular along with illegal cloning hardware. The lab where matter cloning was developed is shut down and the scientists in question are given life sentences for "terrorist-like crimes against the USA" under the jurisdiction of PATRIOT 5.
Food industry crackdowns become increasingly popular, with a record 50 people per month sent to the electric chair for the crime of grand larceny (copying a loaf of bread) and mass initiatives are started, appealing to people's conscience so that the multi-million-dollar foodmanufacturers aren't put out on the street. Media-introduced words such as "rapist" to represent someone who copies items they are not allowed to become commonplace. The act of creating food only now happens in secret basements through secret food-sharing networks and even they are subject to increasingly brutal crackdowns.
http://slashdot.org/~HELLO%2EJPG works okay... but not if you include it as an HREF link (it just turns into HELLO.JPG and 404s, perhaps it's an IE problem *shrug*
I can imagine a future where we will all communicate to other people via a mechanical box touted as a great new wonder.
Yeah, and I could imagine a giant mechanical forum where current issues are posted and ignored under the flood of goatse.cs links, karma grabs and obvious trolls while its users slowly waste away on diets of caffeine and UV radiation.
If you don't know how to check your POP3 e-mail and retrieve a web page with nothing more than a telnet client
That's nothing! Back in my day we had to use SSH with nothing but a phone line and a toothpick, and we were lucky! Some people didn't get the toothpick.
Don't you worry about being caught and sent to ass-pound prison or anything?
Also, you might want to have a look at The Invisible IRC Project and The Freenet Project if you're looking for a more anonymous/heavily encrypted place. Hell, I think Counterfeiting is one of the few crimes FreeNet doesn't have a page for yet.
Yeah, what kind of country would store masses of weapons and threaten foreign nations with violence while imposing a police-state style military control on its own citizens?
It might be worth noting that downloading music is not illegal, only downloading copyrighted music is illegal. There's a million and one forms of free and legal music on the internet. Try independent music, webcasts, mp3.com, perhaps you should think a little before accusing others of being the "stupid fuck".
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I mean, what possible benifit could there be in releasing their browser for free? Besides, that'd be anti-compatitive and monopolistic, and I trust MS never to do anything that predatory.
Now all we need is heat-and-flame-resistant people...
Wrong! We need force-fields to keep out the heat!
That's true, but I was referring more to the way media companies kept claiming it was going to drive them out of business. That and the attitude of most people to the morality of it, ie "it's against the law but everyone does it."
So, tell me, in your remarkably perceptive "I'm going to steal my neighbour's car" analogy, did you stop to consider that it has absolutely no fucking relation to file sharing?
My guess is the following: no.
My guess is that you are just stupidly repeating the party line and trying to apply a real life situation to something that does not exist in real life. This is what the RIAA has done and it didn't work. They're falling behind the times and nobody listens and nobody considers it theft, do you know why? It's not because 43 million Americans are natural born criminals, it's because 43 Americans don't see the sharing of files as a crime.
Let's take your analogy with the fat, ugly baldass neighbour. He offers his car for sale one day. Rather than buying his car, you simply create a perfect copy of it and drive that instead. That is what you are talking about. However, even this analogy is flawed. Cars and music are completely seperate and different purchase types. Somebody, if they could get a car for free, wouldn't buy that car again for the hell of it.
I don't know about you, but my biggest music downloading friends (we're talking >20GB) are also the biggest album buyers. I, on the other hand listen to almost no mass-produced music. I have somewhere on the order of 25 mp3s that I don't have the right to listen to, the rest are independent or freely available. I have only purchased something like 4 CDs in my life, and 3 of them were gifts.
To finish off my argument, your essential points were the following:
- Music sharing is stealing (it's not, you're not actually taking anything)
- Music sharing directly impacts buying (it doesn't, people tend to buy albums regardless of mp3s)
- Music sharing is morally wrong (it isn't - if it was, why would everyone thing it's okay?)
The analogy to speeding was a nice one, but a better one is videotape copying and cassette tape copying. Remember those technologies that have been around for years? Remember how the record/movie industry constantly complained about them? Remember how IT DIDN'T MATTER A DAMN because people still bought movies and still copied tapes and still listened to music just the same as they always have and always will.
What we're seeing is simply the evolution of technology. You, sir, are the kind of person who'd rather see is all sitting in caves.
I'll do it for free (the first time, anyway)
In other news, Microsoft, creators of the "Open Source is like a virus" theory, have unveiled the "Open source is like drug dealership" theory.
I'm sorry, I've already thought of and patented the process of hatching an evil scheme.
Trinity: Morpheus, the post was modded down, I don't know how.
Morpheus: I know, they used the overrated exploit. There's no time, you're going to have to get to another post.
Trinity: Are there any trolls?
Morpheus: Yes.
Trinity: Goddammit.
Morpheus: You have to focus, Trinity. There are mod points at Wells and Lake. You can make it.
Trinity: All right.
Morpheus: Go.
Actually, in another movie, I believe it was The Faculty, an interesting idea was that the aliens helped people to create sci-fi movies with aliens in them. The purpose of this was to make everyone think that aliens were just fictional and thus not take any real alien invasion seriously.
In that case, I vote CowboyNeal!
is the company in question NAMBLA?
Is that OEM, upgrade, developer, enterprise, testing, professional or home edition?
Pardon, I think you mean PeerReview.Net#
Not quite... here's what I see happening in 50 years.
Finally, someone invents what was considered to be impossible, cheap and efficient matter cloning that can finally put an end to the starving masses and bring poverty to its knees. It can clone prescription drugs and cure millions and all this with practically no cost. This is considered to be the pinnacle of human endeavour, surpassing even the Genome project and the invention of the computer. Scientists throughout the world rejoice at the thought of their invention bringing happiness to the lives of the destitute.
Then comes the DRM. "Sorry, you have not been authorised to clone this loaf of bread... request denied!" and suddenly the cycle starts all over again. Over in poverty-stricken parts of Africa and Asia, bootleg food-images become popular along with illegal cloning hardware. The lab where matter cloning was developed is shut down and the scientists in question are given life sentences for "terrorist-like crimes against the USA" under the jurisdiction of PATRIOT 5.
Food industry crackdowns become increasingly popular, with a record 50 people per month sent to the electric chair for the crime of grand larceny (copying a loaf of bread) and mass initiatives are started, appealing to people's conscience so that the multi-million-dollar foodmanufacturers aren't put out on the street. Media-introduced words such as "rapist" to represent someone who copies items they are not allowed to become commonplace. The act of creating food only now happens in secret basements through secret food-sharing networks and even they are subject to increasingly brutal crackdowns.
It IS stealing, after all.
http://slashdot.org/~HELLO%2EJPG works okay... but not if you include it as an HREF link (it just turns into HELLO.JPG and 404s, perhaps it's an IE problem *shrug*
If they want to be taken as seriously in the enterprise market as MS is, then yes, probably.
I can imagine a future where we will all communicate to other people via a mechanical box touted as a great new wonder.
Yeah, and I could imagine a giant mechanical forum where current issues are posted and ignored under the flood of goatse.cs links, karma grabs and obvious trolls while its users slowly waste away on diets of caffeine and UV radiation.
What a sad, sad world that'd be.
If you don't know how to check your POP3 e-mail and retrieve a web page with nothing more than a telnet client
That's nothing! Back in my day we had to use SSH with nothing but a phone line and a toothpick, and we were lucky! Some people didn't get the toothpick.
Don't you worry about being caught and sent to ass-pound prison or anything?
Also, you might want to have a look at The Invisible IRC Project and The Freenet Project if you're looking for a more anonymous/heavily encrypted place. Hell, I think Counterfeiting is one of the few crimes FreeNet doesn't have a page for yet.
Yeah, what kind of country would store masses of weapons and threaten foreign nations with violence while imposing a police-state style military control on its own citizens?
Lucky we're nothing like those bastard Iraqis.
a plague: 468 results
the virus: 4 results
I guess you sure showed me...
Let's not forget Agent Smith circa 2199, "You are a plague, and we are the cure."
I don't know, but it was probably a violation of the DMCA.
It might be worth noting that downloading music is not illegal, only downloading copyrighted music is illegal. There's a million and one forms of free and legal music on the internet. Try independent music, webcasts, mp3.com, perhaps you should think a little before accusing others of being the "stupid fuck".
Just stop buying CDs. It's only made me happier and richer. Until refusing to buy their music becomes a violation of the DMCA, I think I'm safe.