Seconded. I'm personaly extremely unclear on how the GPLv3 applies to something like a js script.
Certainly it isn't the intent of the license that running said script inside IE applies the license to IE, but I've yet to find actual wording that explains why.
Then in the context of a rather complex web application, do I have to GPL3 the whole application including all the tiers, or just the web tier or just the js? I mean really an html/js application is already open source by the nature of it's use. But what about the jsps or servlets that produce the html/js?
I really try to avoid FUD, but when I was looking into ext.js the UD was unavoidable for me... so I stuck with mootools.
Ockham's Razor is an accepted alternate spelling of the principle, as the person Occam's Razor is attributed to is William of Ockham.
People in glass houses or such?
Note that while the platform was a mile high, according to the article the lifter climed to a height of 1500 feet, besting it's previous record.
In this phase of testing, conducted earlier this month in Arizona, LiftPort successfully launched an observation and communication platform a full mile in the air and maintained it in a stationery position for more than six hours while robotic lifters climbed up and down a ribbon attached to the platform. The platform, a proprietary system that the company has named "HALE" (High Altitude Long Endurance), was secured in place by an arrangement of high altitude balloons, which were also used to launch it. The robotic lifters measured five feet, six inches and climbed to a height of more than 1500 feet, surpassing its last test record by more than 500 feet.
J2EE (particularly the servlet specifications and JSP) isn't part of J2se 1.5. I'm not actually arguing for either side of the discussion and I'm a J2EE programmer by profession and a Rails user by hobby. The original post which the post I responded to was in response to simply stated that to consider JSP to be java would be the same as considering Rails to be Ruby. I believe there is merit in both sides of that debate, in that the level of incorporation of J2EE into the "Java Platform" has certainly made enterprise web development with Java easier.
The corallary however is, how many people use the supplied reference application server? The reason J2EE usually seems to come for "free" is because when you're doing web development whichever servlet container or application server you happen to be using usually includes or implements the J2ee API. Not that this is a bad thing.
I think the point the original poster was making is that tecnically JSPs are not part of J2SE, they are part of J2EE which is can be viewed as an application framework built with Java, much as Rails is an application framework built with Ruby.
Note, the is actually the second fileplanet DDO Stress test. The first ran from November 11th to November 18th (for limited definitions of "ran" as the servers were down most of the time.)
Here's the original DDO news article.
EAP, used in 802.1X, is pretty much exactly what you're talking about:
" [EAP is] an authentication framework which supports multiple authentication methods. EAP typically runs directly over data link layers such as Point-to-Point Protocol (PPP) or IEEE 802, without requiring IP. EAP provides its own support for duplicate elimination and retransmission, but is reliant on lower layer ordering guarantees. Fragmentation is not supported within EAP itself; however, individual EAP methods may support this." --- RFC 3748, page 3
There is a java-javascript bridge which can allow a java applet to do much the same stuff ajax does. The only real advantage of ajax over java is that ajax is using functionality built into most modern browsers while applets require a JVM and applet download (which is usually larger than the js used in ajax).
This is certainly true for mirrors. My response wasn't discussing mirrors, however, but sites with custom builds.
It wouldn't be difficult (though it would be of debatable value) to have a site that simply hosted the md5 sums of registered programs which an installer could verify. There are likely, however, better ways of digitally signing a binary.
One thing to consider is that the site in question wasn't a Mozilla site at all. If they're downloading something from a non-trusted site instead of the actually vendor, just about any mechanism you can conceive of goes out the window if that site is compromised.
If it is a custom build of Mozilla for Korean then it'll require custom md5sums which will almost certainly also be compromised. md5sums are good to verify that your download wasn't corrupted or intercepted en route, but they won't do much to verify that the site wasn't compromised.
Generally to get a good job as a plumber, framer, carpenter, etc, you need education past 9th grade. It just isn't necessarily tied to a college degree. Vocational school, apprenticeship, etc.
I know a lot of programmers with no formal progamming education past high school.
Well, let's be consistant here. Who decides what the definition of a genre and what genres exist? Unlike you, I certainly consider genres to be defined by the artist and media, not by the players. Or if you prefer, the publishers and the media reflect the consensus of the players as to determining what genres exist and what defines them. I could say that Everquest is a RTS, that doesn't make it any more true. Also, just because Everquest is in the RPG genre doesn't mean that it cannot also be in the MMOG genre, as the MMORPG genre is a sub-genre of RPG.
Everquest has over half a million subscribers, not less than 100k. Get your facts straight. Niether gamespy nor game publishers decide what qualifies as a MMOG, therefore the references you listed are not any more authoritive than your or my post. It's game PLAYERS who get to decide what these terms mean.
Given that I was the one who originally posted the subscriber information link, you might give me credit for knowing that and attempt to read the statement I actually made.
I said there are less than 100k players in a single environment. Number of subscribers has already been shown to be unimportant to whether a game is massively multiplayer as otherwise Quake or Diablo or NWN or Warcraft III or starcraft would all be considered such. It was your statement which denoted that number of players in a single environment was what determined whether it was to be considered MM.
And in case you missed it, I used the terms sever and 'server' to make a distinction. A 'server' on everquest, such as Bristlebane, is comprised of a number (10-20) of physical servers communicating on a high speed backbone network. You also need to define 'interaction' because if simply sending a text message is interaction then MSN is an MMOG. From what I recall, a zone in EQ can handle maybe 300 players before things start being a problem.
If you're going to insist that only PLAYERS (apparently meaning you) can define the terms involved and aren't willing to have a rational debate, then you can just flame me and get your parting shot, I won't respond again. Otherwise perhaps you could contend my points with something other than 'your sources are invalid because I say so.'
Everquest players are spread across hundreds of servers. A typical server on Everquest has players. Is that still massive? It's less than 100k players in a single environment...
If at some particular time of the day, nobody happens to be logged in to any Everquest server, or perhaps only 30 people are, is the game therefore not at that moment considered a MMORPG? Woops, nobody logged in right now, we're downgraded to just an RPG.
Rubies of Eventide was designed and implemented with the intent of having a large number of simultaneous, interacting players. The vagaries of marketing and business have led to their goal number of players per 'server' not being attained. I don't feel that this in any way causes them to cease to be the type of game they intended to be, a MMORPG.
Stating "Oh, they never had a lot of customers, they aren't a MMORPG" in my opinion has little communication value. If someone asked you "What genre of game is Rubies of Eventide?" would you seriously go and count the subscriber base before answering? I do not believe the majority of people asked that question would hesitate, given a brief description of the game, to answer MMORPG. So perhaps you need to inspect your definitions?
The labels for genre haven't change. There is no new MMORPG label that can be safely tacked on by publishers before the fact, they have the same one they always did, RPG or even ORPG. MM comes later when a number of people decide to start calling it that.
Simply looking at the term as used by publishers, the media and development companies will show this to be untrue. Games are labeled MM before they're even in beta. Gamespy lists MMOG as a distinct genre, and in its listing of games which fall under this genre has many games (City of Heroes and Dragon Empires) which are as of yet unpublished, so certainly they don't have over 100k subscribers...
MMOG is a buzzword, publishers and the like don't hesitate to apply it when it'll benefit them. While you might not consider it to apply to games less than an order of magnitude of the number of players on a typical quake server. This is massive? A typical conceptual 'server' on everquest has only a few thousand concurrent with less than 100k subscribers, most everyone else does.
Except I disagree. There are a massive number of quake players, it is not a MMOG. It is the intent and design of the game which determines whether it should be categorized as MM, not the actual results, otherwise the terminology is useless for defining a genre. When one takes a finished product to a publisher, one wouldn't say 'well, its a multiplayer online rpg. We hope one day it'll be massively multiplayer.' The distinction of massively vs non massively indicates the scalability of the game, it's capability of handling more than 8 or 16 or 64 users in a single setting.
If you were to judge by current subscriber base, the genre of a game could change based on transient factors. Certainly you can see this is not a useful thing when trying to classify a game?
Then according to your opinion, Asheron's Call, AC2, Planetside, the Sims Online, Eve Online, Everquest: OA and others aren't MMORPGs. I think the current subscriber base is hardly as significant as the intent.
(Source: Sir Bruce's Subscription page)
There's a huge difference between reaction time and the interval you poll for input. Since the player can submit the input at any time, if you're only polling at set intervals you'll of course miss inputs. This says nothing about the effect of lag on reaction time.
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Curse those hidden parent posts cuasing lack of context. Disregard.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_elevator might be a good starting point for you to join the discussion.
Seconded. I'm personaly extremely unclear on how the GPLv3 applies to something like a js script. Certainly it isn't the intent of the license that running said script inside IE applies the license to IE, but I've yet to find actual wording that explains why. Then in the context of a rather complex web application, do I have to GPL3 the whole application including all the tiers, or just the web tier or just the js? I mean really an html/js application is already open source by the nature of it's use. But what about the jsps or servlets that produce the html/js? I really try to avoid FUD, but when I was looking into ext.js the UD was unavoidable for me... so I stuck with mootools.
My dock wastes exactly as much screen real estate as my quick launch bar did in windows... 0. Auto-hide is a wonderful thing.
http://www.musion.co.uk/
http://automobiles.honda.com/fcx-clarity/ Surely they're not leasing $1,000,000 cars? These aren't prototypes...
Ockham's Razor is an accepted alternate spelling of the principle, as the person Occam's Razor is attributed to is William of Ockham. People in glass houses or such?
J2EE (particularly the servlet specifications and JSP) isn't part of J2se 1.5. I'm not actually arguing for either side of the discussion and I'm a J2EE programmer by profession and a Rails user by hobby. The original post which the post I responded to was in response to simply stated that to consider JSP to be java would be the same as considering Rails to be Ruby. I believe there is merit in both sides of that debate, in that the level of incorporation of J2EE into the "Java Platform" has certainly made enterprise web development with Java easier. The corallary however is, how many people use the supplied reference application server? The reason J2EE usually seems to come for "free" is because when you're doing web development whichever servlet container or application server you happen to be using usually includes or implements the J2ee API. Not that this is a bad thing.
I think the point the original poster was making is that tecnically JSPs are not part of J2SE, they are part of J2EE which is can be viewed as an application framework built with Java, much as Rails is an application framework built with Ruby.
Note, the is actually the second fileplanet DDO Stress test. The first ran from November 11th to November 18th (for limited definitions of "ran" as the servers were down most of the time.) Here's the original DDO news article.
I'm allergic to watermelon!
There is a java-javascript bridge which can allow a java applet to do much the same stuff ajax does. The only real advantage of ajax over java is that ajax is using functionality built into most modern browsers while applets require a JVM and applet download (which is usually larger than the js used in ajax).
This is like buying a car at a used car dealer and blaming the manufacturer because the dealer replaced the engine with a barrel of rabid hamsters...
This is certainly true for mirrors. My response wasn't discussing mirrors, however, but sites with custom builds. It wouldn't be difficult (though it would be of debatable value) to have a site that simply hosted the md5 sums of registered programs which an installer could verify. There are likely, however, better ways of digitally signing a binary. One thing to consider is that the site in question wasn't a Mozilla site at all. If they're downloading something from a non-trusted site instead of the actually vendor, just about any mechanism you can conceive of goes out the window if that site is compromised.
If it is a custom build of Mozilla for Korean then it'll require custom md5sums which will almost certainly also be compromised. md5sums are good to verify that your download wasn't corrupted or intercepted en route, but they won't do much to verify that the site wasn't compromised.
Generally to get a good job as a plumber, framer, carpenter, etc, you need education past 9th grade. It just isn't necessarily tied to a college degree. Vocational school, apprenticeship, etc. I know a lot of programmers with no formal progamming education past high school.
Well, let's be consistant here. Who decides what the definition of a genre and what genres exist? Unlike you, I certainly consider genres to be defined by the artist and media, not by the players. Or if you prefer, the publishers and the media reflect the consensus of the players as to determining what genres exist and what defines them. I could say that Everquest is a RTS, that doesn't make it any more true. Also, just because Everquest is in the RPG genre doesn't mean that it cannot also be in the MMOG genre, as the MMORPG genre is a sub-genre of RPG.
Given that I was the one who originally posted the subscriber information link, you might give me credit for knowing that and attempt to read the statement I actually made.
I said there are less than 100k players in a single environment. Number of subscribers has already been shown to be unimportant to whether a game is massively multiplayer as otherwise Quake or Diablo or NWN or Warcraft III or starcraft would all be considered such. It was your statement which denoted that number of players in a single environment was what determined whether it was to be considered MM.
And in case you missed it, I used the terms sever and 'server' to make a distinction. A 'server' on everquest, such as Bristlebane, is comprised of a number (10-20) of physical servers communicating on a high speed backbone network. You also need to define 'interaction' because if simply sending a text message is interaction then MSN is an MMOG. From what I recall, a zone in EQ can handle maybe 300 players before things start being a problem.
If you're going to insist that only PLAYERS (apparently meaning you) can define the terms involved and aren't willing to have a rational debate, then you can just flame me and get your parting shot, I won't respond again. Otherwise perhaps you could contend my points with something other than 'your sources are invalid because I say so.'
Everquest players are spread across hundreds of servers. A typical server on Everquest has players. Is that still massive? It's less than 100k players in a single environment...
If at some particular time of the day, nobody happens to be logged in to any Everquest server, or perhaps only 30 people are, is the game therefore not at that moment considered a MMORPG? Woops, nobody logged in right now, we're downgraded to just an RPG.
Rubies of Eventide was designed and implemented with the intent of having a large number of simultaneous, interacting players. The vagaries of marketing and business have led to their goal number of players per 'server' not being attained. I don't feel that this in any way causes them to cease to be the type of game they intended to be, a MMORPG.
Stating "Oh, they never had a lot of customers, they aren't a MMORPG" in my opinion has little communication value. If someone asked you "What genre of game is Rubies of Eventide?" would you seriously go and count the subscriber base before answering? I do not believe the majority of people asked that question would hesitate, given a brief description of the game, to answer MMORPG. So perhaps you need to inspect your definitions?
Simply looking at the term as used by publishers, the media and development companies will show this to be untrue. Games are labeled MM before they're even in beta. Gamespy lists MMOG as a distinct genre, and in its listing of games which fall under this genre has many games (City of Heroes and Dragon Empires) which are as of yet unpublished, so certainly they don't have over 100k subscribers... MMOG is a buzzword, publishers and the like don't hesitate to apply it when it'll benefit them. While you might not consider it to apply to games less than an order of magnitude of the number of players on a typical quake server. This is massive? A typical conceptual 'server' on everquest has only a few thousand concurrent with less than 100k subscribers, most everyone else does.
Except I disagree. There are a massive number of quake players, it is not a MMOG. It is the intent and design of the game which determines whether it should be categorized as MM, not the actual results, otherwise the terminology is useless for defining a genre. When one takes a finished product to a publisher, one wouldn't say 'well, its a multiplayer online rpg. We hope one day it'll be massively multiplayer.' The distinction of massively vs non massively indicates the scalability of the game, it's capability of handling more than 8 or 16 or 64 users in a single setting.
If you were to judge by current subscriber base, the genre of a game could change based on transient factors. Certainly you can see this is not a useful thing when trying to classify a game?
Then according to your opinion, Asheron's Call, AC2, Planetside, the Sims Online, Eve Online, Everquest: OA and others aren't MMORPGs. I think the current subscriber base is hardly as significant as the intent.
(Source: Sir Bruce's Subscription page)
I have to say, I hope the wonderful irony of this post is intentional. Boromir indeed.
They're talking about using the elevator, not constructing it. The climber ascends the ribbon when 'launching' and descends when 'landing.'
There's a huge difference between reaction time and the interval you poll for input. Since the player can submit the input at any time, if you're only polling at set intervals you'll of course miss inputs. This says nothing about the effect of lag on reaction time.