Again I say, ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!
When I was younger I really thought that the capitalist system was just like nature. Only the strong survive and that's a good thing. Unfortunately I never considered corporate monopoly or global economy and what that means to those of use that don't have millions in the bank and couldn't care less if gas cost $5.00 a gallon. And people still insist that Bill Gates isn't evil! Hah!
"I'm gonna screw 'em 'till they scream and then I'm gonn just make 'em pay more for the priviledge!! Somebody get that damn penguin outta here!!" Bill (Pearly) Gates talking to Steve (Wadda you look'in at!!) Balmer (Well, that's what I heard was said...)
While, I agree with everything you're saying I wish I could see how this will come out well for the average Joe. I do think the average IT worker had their expectations (salary) set to a level that wasn't reasonable just as unions pumped up the wage of factory workers to levels that couldn't be justified. Part of me wants laws put in place to force employers to behave but that would just drive more of them to the unregulated overseas market. I know it will get better eventually it's just very hard to be optimistic when faced with at least 3 or 4 more years of what we've got right now....
The diversity and globalism argument being shoved down our throats from every media and educational outlet is astounding (and tiresome). If we allow business to do whatever it pleases, as far as outsourcing, we will be competing for jobs with people that make $3000.00/year (India) and $500/year (China) and live in third world nations. The ultimate result is the elimination of the middle class and the death of any kind of employer accountability to employees. It's already happening. Why do you think productivity has been so high with all the layoffs going on. People are working 60 hour weeks for 40 hours pay because the have no choice. Vacation has become a distant memory. While Europe takes a few months a year off Americans are lucky to get sick days without worrying about being fired. Try to force the issue by making reasonable hours, sick days and vacation manditory, and the business goes to India where they can do whatever they please. Oh yeah, there are some wonderful things about outsourcing.... It makes the wealthiest amongst us wealthier and pushes the working class down yet another notch.
Profit is a good thing but it can't be the only thing or life will be very hard for the average working person.
In the case of the unavailable networked printer and XP Pro I was using an HP Laser Jet III. Sort of a old, well established standard, wouldn't you say...
In the case of Windows 2K and the PDF, I was printing to a Lexmark Laser (don't know the model) via an NT print server.
The point I was trying to make is that it should be virtually impossible for a printer driver or spooler to take down the OS (under normal use). I'm obviously not an MS Windows fan but this really suprised me. I've had pretty good luck with Windows 2K (not so much with XP) and being able to repeatedly crash (I did it three times to prove it was consistent) the OS by printing a PDF just blew me away.
Unless they try to print to a network printer that's not available. That very thing caused my currently patched XP Pro box to blue screen in a repeatable way (which is supposed to be impossible). I've had a similar problem printing a PDF (on an available network printer) with Windows 2000.
Not exactly the type of thing that we want taking a war ship down....
"Imagine this: A thousand little stations send radio programming across cities and towns from senior centers, dorm rooms and attics. The understaffed FCC would be powerless to shut them down. "
Is that like the RIACC is powerless to stop the millions of downloaders and file traders from sharing music, etc... because there's just too many people doing it? All they have to do is get the interested parties (commercial radio for instance) to call their lawyers who will call their lobbyists who will pay a few judges/polititians who will write a law that includes a fine so large (you know, like up to $150,000.00 per song) that no one will take the risk of getting caught. Then they just have to arrest a few people to set an example and all the sheep run back to the barn...
Welcome to America man, land of the Lawyer... Someday this may again be a free country but not today.
I agree with you but from what I've read the Windows NT kernel is quite the kludge of old and new because interdependancies in the code prevent a lot of clean, new coding. Each release adds to the house of cards. At some point they're going to be forced to clean house and THAT release should be VEEEERY interesting.....
Welllll, as far as my limited legal knowledge goes, I would think that raising that issue in open court would be, pretty much, tantamount to asking the judge to condone quid pro quo (even though the judge would not directly benefit). If you think that every factor that affects a trials outcome is brought out in open court you're very naive...
Oh contraire!! I think you'd better start looking at the time frame in which the B&MG foundation started it's "philanthropic" work. It was about the same time MS discovered the value of giving money to various political parties and hiring lobbying firms. Gate's is a chess player. Nothing is done at random...
Gate's is a worm but he's a very smart worm. Even the Linophyls (of which I'm one) can't deny it...
"Get off your high fucking horse. Gates is not Satan. Linus is not god. You are, however, a complete and utter tool."
Oh please. Only in America is it ok to destroy company after company (and therefore thousands of working people) causing havoc in an entire industry to enrich one company and a few people to levels of wealth formerly reserved for emperors and despots if you give a tiny (and I mean tiny) fraction to good causes. Yeah that makes it ok. So it would be OK to take your job and home and profession as long as I drop 2 dollars in the poor box when I'm done. Is that what you're saying???
Why the hell do Gates defenders always bring Linus into the argument? Like Linus and Linux have anything to do with Gates and MS's shenanigans.
Hardly, however it is nice to see that he's using what skills he has (which aren't exactly steller) for good rather than just getting himself in trouble.
Though I agree that our K-12 system is abysmal (I have twin 12 year olds going through a "GOOD" public school that uses calculators by 4th grade!) that has little to do with a science brain drain in the US. How many high school seniors are being hired to work as scientists? The intelligence of those that choose to go to universities hasn't dropped. It's the loss of reasonable jobs for scientists outside of the government or academic areas. Even if someone loves science (which I do) why take the chance of doing something that's very difficult and trying for low pay, NO appreciation, and a nice lay off when you're 50 and finally making a good living. Now you're overly specialized from 30+ years of doing work in your field and you have no where to go. That's a bright future isn't it?
I've seen it happen too many times. I would never encourage my sons to go into the field of science, especially research and I have friends in other fields that say the same. Hey, become and accountant or an MBA. It's easy and you don't get layed off at 50 (you do the laying off)..
You're making an illogical extension of a resonable concept. Nowhere did I say anything about taking away ALL of anyone's income. Britney Spears made approx 20 million dollars last year as a result of her art (yes, lots of endorsements). The average American earns $50,000 year (+- $10,000). Ok, so she only makes 500 times the average person. I'd say she could probably scratch by without working at McDonalds on just a scad less. Wouldn't you?
Where do you get the NO SALERIES stuff! You're making a silly and extreme statement, attributing it to me, and then making an argument. You're the only one to say NO SALERY. No one works for free and no one should. My point is that artists would not have to work at anything but their art if they're good at their art. If they're not they won't and that's the way it should be. Anyone (excepting politians and weathermen) that's lousy at their job will not get paid for it for long. Why should artists be any different.
Pick my argument apart. If you pick your own argument apart we'll find ourselves in agreement and at a logical contradiction;()
They should focus on making JAVA better and for more plateforms. Let the hardward dry up and die. They just don't seem to be able to compete in that market and, unless they have a real ringer in the works, it's an anchor that will sink the boat. It's really too bad, I always liked Sun and it was a first class Unix box but the CANCER that is M$ eats all but the most hardy. An Apple Sun combo would be cool but getting Scott McNealy and Steven Jobs heads in the same room at the same time would be quite a trick.
"Arguing there are too many crap "artists" and suggesting this would in some way be solved by withdrawing the money from all of them is really not going to help. There are too many crap "anythings", I'd have thought that anyone working in the tech industry would know that..."
That's the whole point! The "REAL" artists wouldn't lose money. Oh sure, maybe they don't make the ludicrous sums common now but they certainly won't need to do anything but their art to make a living. Why the hell does an artist have to make 1000 times the average person to be able to make it worth his while. Shostakovich certainly didn't and he managed.
Your comment about the tech industry also underscores my point. The reason you've got so man y crappy programmers is because many entered the field for nothing more the and promise of big bucks during the software boom of the 90's. Money changes everything and often for the worse...
"Isn't it about time artists just created music for the love of it? I mean, they're creating something, surely that's enough. Surely they should fund their day to day living expenses by working a full time job. Sure, if they have a full time job they're unlikely to have the time and energy to produce much, but that's better than being a lazy, scrounging, whiner who insists on making us pay them a few dollars for something that enriches our lives and helps make us happy. Our praise should be enough, surely? Ungrateful whiners!"
I don't know if you're being sarcastic but what you're saying here is true. Many of the musical "ARTISTS" today are nothing but cynical business drones after a buck. How many rap songs (I use the word song loosly) are nothing but remixes of other peoples music. Oh yeah, that's real art... Com'on. It's all about the bucks. Which is exactly why the bucks need to go away so that the real artists can get back in the music making business.
Call me when the temperature goes up 200 degrees in 18 years. 30 years ago we were going into another ice age. Now it's global warming. What we've really got is a bunch of scientists that have to publish something. Anything. Just saying that the temperature fluctuates wouldn't get any attention so "Chicken little!! The sky is falling!!!! Quick, get me more funding..."
There's absolutely no way 18 years is enough time to draw that conclusion. We've only been looking at weather for what, 200 years. Please. If you can draw general conclusions about the history of a 6 to 8 billion year old planet in 18 (or 200) years I hope you play the lottery... (you know, statistics).
It's simply a nut magnet so that environmentalist freaks that have prevented out country from having free, nearly infinite power (nuclear) and space craft that are capable of crossing the solar system (also nuclear) get the front page of the (Peoples Republic of) New York Times.
Wow! We've been looking at the temperature of a planet that is between 6 and 8 billion years old for almost 20 years (that's 0.00000000003% of the planets life) and we think we see a trend. Oh yeah, that's statistically valid.... Do you play the lottery by the way (Hey, it could happen)?
I love the Woz but why the heck would anyone want to listen to Kevin Mitnick? If he's as informative on computer security as his book, his whole speech will be about how to lie to brain dead receptionists. Why won't this guy go away and get a real job....
Considering the rappers famous sense of humor (I think he had a contract out on Weird Al for making a parody of Gangsta's Paradise) I'm sure he'll love this.....
Just stay cool Koolie err, I mean Coolio... yeah that's it...
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Oh yeah, that's a lot easier than logging into my Linux box. Now I see why Windows is on 98% of the desktops....
Again I say, ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!
When I was younger I really thought that the capitalist system was just like nature. Only the strong survive and that's a good thing. Unfortunately I never considered corporate monopoly or global economy and what that means to those of use that don't have millions in the bank and couldn't care less if gas cost $5.00 a gallon. And people still insist that Bill Gates isn't evil! Hah!
"I'm gonna screw 'em 'till they scream and then I'm gonn just make 'em pay more for the priviledge!! Somebody get that damn penguin outta here!!" Bill (Pearly) Gates talking to Steve (Wadda you look'in at!!) Balmer (Well, that's what I heard was said...)
"Well other than that one bit of unpleasantness, how did you like the play Mrs. Lincoln."
Hilarious!!! Got to remember that one...
While, I agree with everything you're saying I wish I could see how this will come out well for the average Joe. I do think the average IT worker had their expectations (salary) set to a level that wasn't reasonable just as unions pumped up the wage of factory workers to levels that couldn't be justified. Part of me wants laws put in place to force employers to behave but that would just drive more of them to the unregulated overseas market. I know it will get better eventually it's just very hard to be optimistic when faced with at least 3 or 4 more years of what we've got right now....
The diversity and globalism argument being shoved down our throats from every media and educational outlet is astounding (and tiresome). If we allow business to do whatever it pleases, as far as outsourcing, we will be competing for jobs with people that make $3000.00/year (India) and $500/year (China) and live in third world nations. The ultimate result is the elimination of the middle class and the death of any kind of employer accountability to employees. It's already happening. Why do you think productivity has been so high with all the layoffs going on. People are working 60 hour weeks for 40 hours pay because the have no choice. Vacation has become a distant memory. While Europe takes a few months a year off Americans are lucky to get sick days without worrying about being fired. Try to force the issue by making reasonable hours, sick days and vacation manditory, and the business goes to India where they can do whatever they please. Oh yeah, there are some wonderful things about outsourcing.... It makes the wealthiest amongst us wealthier and pushes the working class down yet another notch.
Profit is a good thing but it can't be the only thing or life will be very hard for the average working person.
In the case of the unavailable networked printer and XP Pro I was using an HP Laser Jet III. Sort of a old, well established standard, wouldn't you say...
In the case of Windows 2K and the PDF, I was printing to a Lexmark Laser (don't know the model) via an NT print server.
The point I was trying to make is that it should be virtually impossible for a printer driver or spooler to take down the OS (under normal use). I'm obviously not an MS Windows fan but this really suprised me. I've had pretty good luck with Windows 2K (not so much with XP) and being able to repeatedly crash (I did it three times to prove it was consistent) the OS by printing a PDF just blew me away.
Unless they try to print to a network printer that's not available. That very thing caused my currently patched XP Pro box to blue screen in a repeatable way (which is supposed to be impossible). I've had a similar problem printing a PDF (on an available network printer) with Windows 2000.
Not exactly the type of thing that we want taking a war ship down....
Besides, Penguins and water go together!!
"Imagine this: A thousand little stations send radio programming across cities and towns from senior centers, dorm rooms and attics. The understaffed FCC would be powerless to shut them down. "
Is that like the RIACC is powerless to stop the millions of downloaders and file traders from sharing music, etc... because there's just too many people doing it? All they have to do is get the interested parties (commercial radio for instance) to call their lawyers who will call their lobbyists who will pay a few judges/polititians who will write a law that includes a fine so large (you know, like up to $150,000.00 per song) that no one will take the risk of getting caught. Then they just have to arrest a few people to set an example and all the sheep run back to the barn...
Welcome to America man, land of the Lawyer... Someday this may again be a free country but not today.
What will these analysts discover next?
I've been hearing rumors that MS products cost more than the open source alternatives too. But it's just a rumor...
"Fate favors the bold"
I agree with you but from what I've read the Windows NT kernel is quite the kludge of old and new because interdependancies in the code prevent a lot of clean, new coding. Each release adds to the house of cards. At some point they're going to be forced to clean house and THAT release should be VEEEERY interesting.....
Welllll, as far as my limited legal knowledge goes, I would think that raising that issue in open court would be, pretty much, tantamount to asking the judge to condone quid pro quo (even though the judge would not directly benefit). If you think that every factor that affects a trials outcome is brought out in open court you're very naive...
Oh contraire!! I think you'd better start looking at the time frame in which the B&MG foundation started it's "philanthropic" work. It was about the same time MS discovered the value of giving money to various political parties and hiring lobbying firms. Gate's is a chess player. Nothing is done at random...
Gate's is a worm but he's a very smart worm. Even the Linophyls (of which I'm one) can't deny it...
"Get off your high fucking horse. Gates is not Satan. Linus is not god. You are, however, a complete and utter tool."
Oh please. Only in America is it ok to destroy company after company (and therefore thousands of working people) causing havoc in an entire industry to enrich one company and a few people to levels of wealth formerly reserved for emperors and despots if you give a tiny (and I mean tiny) fraction to good causes. Yeah that makes it ok. So it would be OK to take your job and home and profession as long as I drop 2 dollars in the poor box when I'm done. Is that what you're saying???
Why the hell do Gates defenders always bring Linus into the argument? Like Linus and Linux have anything to do with Gates and MS's shenanigans.
Hardly, however it is nice to see that he's using what skills he has (which aren't exactly steller) for good rather than just getting himself in trouble.
My hats off to him and I hope he keeps it up.
Though I agree that our K-12 system is abysmal (I have twin 12 year olds going through a "GOOD" public school that uses calculators by 4th grade!) that has little to do with a science brain drain in the US. How many high school seniors are being hired to work as scientists? The intelligence of those that choose to go to universities hasn't dropped. It's the loss of reasonable jobs for scientists outside of the government or academic areas. Even if someone loves science (which I do) why take the chance of doing something that's very difficult and trying for low pay, NO appreciation, and a nice lay off when you're 50 and finally making a good living. Now you're overly specialized from 30+ years of doing work in your field and you have no where to go. That's a bright future isn't it?
I've seen it happen too many times. I would never encourage my sons to go into the field of science, especially research and I have friends in other fields that say the same. Hey, become and accountant or an MBA. It's easy and you don't get layed off at 50 (you do the laying off)..
You're making an illogical extension of a resonable concept. Nowhere did I say anything about taking away ALL of anyone's income. Britney Spears made approx 20 million dollars last year as a result of her art (yes, lots of endorsements). The average American earns $50,000 year (+- $10,000). Ok, so she only makes 500 times the average person. I'd say she could probably scratch by without working at McDonalds on just a scad less. Wouldn't you?
Where do you get the NO SALERIES stuff! You're making a silly and extreme statement, attributing it to me, and then making an argument. You're the only one to say NO SALERY. No one works for free and no one should. My point is that artists would not have to work at anything but their art if they're good at their art. If they're not they won't and that's the way it should be. Anyone (excepting politians and weathermen) that's lousy at their job will not get paid for it for long. Why should artists be any different.
Pick my argument apart. If you pick your own argument apart we'll find ourselves in agreement and at a logical contradiction
They should focus on making JAVA better and for more plateforms. Let the hardward dry up and die. They just don't seem to be able to compete in that market and, unless they have a real ringer in the works, it's an anchor that will sink the boat. It's really too bad, I always liked Sun and it was a first class Unix box but the CANCER that is M$ eats all but the most hardy. An Apple Sun combo would be cool but getting Scott McNealy and Steven Jobs heads in the same room at the same time would be quite a trick.
"Arguing there are too many crap "artists" and suggesting this would in some way be solved by withdrawing the money from all of them is really not going to help. There are too many crap "anythings", I'd have thought that anyone working in the tech industry would know that..."
That's the whole point! The "REAL" artists wouldn't lose money. Oh sure, maybe they don't make the ludicrous sums common now but they certainly won't need to do anything but their art to make a living. Why the hell does an artist have to make 1000 times the average person to be able to make it worth his while. Shostakovich certainly didn't and he managed.
Your comment about the tech industry also underscores my point. The reason you've got so man y crappy programmers is because many entered the field for nothing more the and promise of big bucks during the software boom of the 90's. Money changes everything and often for the worse...
"Isn't it about time artists just created music for the love of it? I mean, they're creating something, surely that's enough. Surely they should fund their day to day living expenses by working a full time job. Sure, if they have a full time job they're unlikely to have the time and energy to produce much, but that's better than being a lazy, scrounging, whiner who insists on making us pay them a few dollars for something that enriches our lives and helps make us happy. Our praise should be enough, surely? Ungrateful whiners!"
I don't know if you're being sarcastic but what you're saying here is true. Many of the musical "ARTISTS" today are nothing but cynical business drones after a buck. How many rap songs (I use the word song loosly) are nothing but remixes of other peoples music. Oh yeah, that's real art... Com'on. It's all about the bucks. Which is exactly why the bucks need to go away so that the real artists can get back in the music making business.
Call me when the temperature goes up 200 degrees in 18 years. 30 years ago we were going into another ice age. Now it's global warming. What we've really got is a bunch of scientists that have to publish something. Anything. Just saying that the temperature fluctuates wouldn't get any attention so "Chicken little!! The sky is falling!!!! Quick, get me more funding..."
No, please, you give me break.
There's absolutely no way 18 years is enough time to draw that conclusion. We've only been looking at weather for what, 200 years. Please. If you can draw general conclusions about the history of a 6 to 8 billion year old planet in 18 (or 200) years I hope you play the lottery... (you know, statistics).
It's simply a nut magnet so that environmentalist freaks that have prevented out country from having free, nearly infinite power (nuclear) and space craft that are capable of crossing the solar system (also nuclear) get the front page of the (Peoples Republic of) New York Times.
Wow! We've been looking at the temperature of a planet that is between 6 and 8 billion years old for almost 20 years (that's 0.00000000003% of the planets life) and we think we see a trend. Oh yeah, that's statistically valid.... Do you play the lottery
by the way (Hey, it could happen)?
Dead on man! Wish I'd have said it that well.
I love the Woz but why the heck would anyone want to listen to Kevin Mitnick? If he's as informative on computer security as
his book, his whole speech will be about how to lie to brain dead receptionists. Why won't this guy go away and get a real job....
Considering the rappers famous sense of humor (I think he had a contract out on Weird Al for making a parody of Gangsta's Paradise) I'm sure he'll love this.....
Just stay cool Koolie err, I mean Coolio... yeah that's it...