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michael
on from the fanboys-rejoice dept.
An anonymous reader writes "The next HOPE (Hackers on Planet Earth) conference will feature Steve Wozniak as one of the keynotes according to conference organizers at
2600. Mitnick's also got a keynote spot, and there's more to be announced."
This conference marks the 20th anniversary of 2600 Magazine and the 10th anniversary of the first HOPE conference. You can visit our official conference website here.
How is it the 10th anniversary, but the "Fifth HOPE"? Was there lag between some of them. I thought HOPE was an annual event. It least it has been since H2K. Anyone?
Welcome to the main page for The Fifth HOPE, sponsored by 2600. Yes, it's our fifth conference in New York City and this one threatens to be the best yet. It all takes place July 9-11, 2004, at the Hotel Pennsylvania in Manhattan
So perhaps thats why they call it The Fifth Hope?
At least The Fifth Hope's website does not say anywhere that its the 10th anniversary...
-- http://efil.blogspot.com/
Re:Question
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menn0nite
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It's biennial...
Probably because most people can only afford one con a year, and most of the 2600 folks like going to CCC (which happens every year hope does not).
It's bi-anual. Being lucky enough to work in NYC and commuting into Penn Station, which is right across 7th ave from the Hotel Pennsylvania, I first became aware of the banners in 2000. Saw some great events that year. 2001? No banners, no conference. H2K2 happened. It was greater than H2K. I surmise this means bi-annual.;)
How does that relate? The HOPE conference is not a huge warez trading fest. It's focus is (theoretically) technology and exploration
Well in reality its more about wacko leftwing politics then technology and exploration. I went twice and both times it sucked. The worst was that turd jello whatever the fuck talking about computers and the internet yet he never owned one.
If your going to learn about technology you will be bored to death.
I thought about dual 6502s at some point. While it would be a useless thing to do, I think as long as you could isolate the stacks of the two, it just might be possible. The stacks are hard coded to 0x0100-0x01FF, from what I remember. You might also have to remain in the 64KB limit as well, since I believe most 6502 bank switching support is in hardware, so unless the rest of your board figures out what processor is doing the R/W. The rest would be easy enough to deal with in software.
Of course, it begs the question: why?
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Never hit your grandmother with a shovel, for it leaves a bad impression on her mind...
ha! right you are. Mitnick is old school in a bad way..What was the essence of his scam again? A bunch of SOCKS chained proxies ? There isn't a script kiddie on the planet that can't replicate that today.
Mitnick is best known for his social engineering skills. Pick up a copy of "The Art of Deception" and you'll see what I mean. The Social Engineering panel is the highlight of any HOPE convention.
Mitnick was also made into a martyr when he was held for over five years without so much as a bail hearing (not that he'd get it for being a flight risk, but a hearing is due process just the same).
The commonly-held explaination for Mitnick being in such lockdown is that he would still be able to con people, even fears of Mitnick launching nuclear attacks by dialing the right phone number and whistling.
-- Where does the school board find them and why do they keep sending them to ME?
Mitnick is best known for his social engineering skills. Pick up a copy of "The Art of Deception" and you'll see what I mean. The Social Engineering panel is the highlight of any HOPE convention.
Whoop-de-freaking-do. "Social engineering" is not a new skill, nor was it something perfected by Mitnick. It's been around for a very VERY long time. The phrase "Loose lips sink ships" ring a bell? Mitnick is, and always was a second rate hack who got a lot of publicity for his crimes because he lived in the age of the internet where a lot of misinformed would-be-hackers rallyed behind him. He was an artificial flash in the pan, and has nothing real to add to such a discussion. You want someone with something to add? Hire an ex-NSA or ex-CIA to be your keynote. They knew more about "social engineering" during the world wars than Mitnick will ever know.
Mitnick was also made into a martyr when he was held for over five years without so much as a bail hearing (not that he'd get it for being a flight risk, but a hearing is due process just the same).
Mitnick's lawyers asked for him to be held longer, this was his choice, and in the end the time was taken off of his prison sentance. His extended incarceration was done as his own request. Read your history, even statements from Mitnick himself, this belief you hold is a common misrepresentation of what really happened.
The commonly-held explaination for Mitnick being in such lockdown is that he would still be able to con people, even fears of Mitnick launching nuclear attacks by dialing the right phone number and whistling.
This "fear" was never held by those who were holding Mitnick, rather it was FUD spread by Mitnick's own lawyers and representatives as part of a campaign to villify the US govt for arresting Mitnick.
Mitnick is a criminal, plain and simple, with nothing new to add. Lets put him back where he belongs, working for a living, instead of fueling his thirst for fame and easy money.
Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't trust the guy as far as I could throw him. You never know if dudes like that are making you a pawn or mark in some kind of Social Engineering type scam. He wasn't thrown in jail for no reason at all, of course.
If any positive is to be said about him, it's raising awareness about this type of thing. After reading the book and bearing in mind the myriad ways of manipulating & scamming people out of seemingly harmless info that could be assembled for the bigger picture, I'm more skeptical of unknown people who have a claim to have a need for that type of thing.
-- Where does the school board find them and why do they keep sending them to ME?
You know, I think the poor guy has paid his debt to society. Yes, he made some big mistakes, but now he's moving on and he IS earning an honest living.
What would you do in his present situation? Go work a crappy job or make the most of the situation? I know what I'd do and I don't blame him for doing the same.
The guy is not the hero people make him out to be, but he also does not need negative creeps kicking him down any more. His debt has been paid, grow up.
Re:Mitnick
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Anonymous Coward
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I would have to say he has socially engineered you into an unusually strong opinion of him.
I met Mitnick when he showed up at dc2600 a few months back. While he's not the best in the field, he was the person that got rallied around when he was caught. He's gone from black-hat to white-hat, and by publishing the books so that they're aimed at amateurs and people who don't know about hacking/social engineering he expands the field.
Basically he's something of a recruiter. Even the people that read his books and don't become hackers will at least know what a hacker really is, and not the media interpertation.
-- "For years, I struggled with reality... but I'm happy to say I finally won out over it." -- Elwood P. Dowd
Obviously you've never been to a HOPE conference, because talking about computers from 7 years ago and how to hide from the cops would definitely not be out of place or out of the ordinary. Besides, keep in mind that while Mitnick's exploits aren't overly grand by today's standards they weren't exactly script kiddie material in their day.
Real hackers were calling themselves hackers back when to most people "hacker" either meant someone who drove a taxi or who was a poor golfer.
Real hackers don't find themselves overly pressured by societies "negative perjorative labels". While there is remorse that the general public has adopted the negative view of the term, there is no single word that better describes what a hacker does for the sheer joy of doing it. A real hacker doesn't particularly care if he is accepted or not by those who are ignorant of what a real hacker actually is.
Real hackers won't stop calling themselves hackers. It is what they were before the media ever caught onto the word, and for them to relenquish the title merely on account of how the word is perceived by people who are merely ignorant of the truth is to sacrifice some of the very spirit that drives them to achieve and makes them what they are.
I submitted too soon. Both a taxicab and a cab driver are referred to as a hack. A cab driver is referred to as a hacker, a hackie, and as I mentioned before, a hack, so I was wrong. Oops---sorry about that.
The Connotative meaning in today's culture does not relate to a wishful history, Latin root words, or context dependent pronunciations. Except for virtual communities of creative techno-innovators (sounds nice, don't it?), most people will red-flag a person as hostile because they refuse or don't care to understand what people are really doing.
That soapbox may make a creative router box though, no one would ever suspect...;o)
Mitnick's restrictions
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Anonymous Coward
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Due to conditions of release placed on him by the federal government, Mitnick is still prevented from touching any real computers. This is why he is expected to bring an Apple Macintosh to the event.
Re:Mitnick's restrictions
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rafael_es_son
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Re:Mitnick's restrictions
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metalligoth
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Spoken like a true Anonymous Coward!
Re:Mitnick's restrictions
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jlockard
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You're a little out of date. Mitnick has been able to touch "real computers" for at least a year now. Your trolling inaccuracy limits my willingness to look around for the exact date.
-- --JLockard - "Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps." - Emo Phillips
Re:Mitnick's restrictions
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Anonymous Coward
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You`ve really done it now ! Apple users were always gay - but now they`re gay _AND_ angry !!
Re:Mitnick's restrictions
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kidgenius
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Dig around The Screensavers site. They had him on when he first was able to use a computer again. And yeah, it was about a year or so ago.
Re:Mitnick's restrictions
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Anonymous Coward
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He was just making a joke, man.
Re:Mitnick's restrictions
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eodmightier
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Wow you must be a real fun guy to hang out with. It was a joke.. One you obviously missed.
-- -Eod
Re:Mitnick's restrictions
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jlockard
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Sorry, I guess I missed it as being humor when the "humor" was based on half of what he said being innacurate. It would have been funny if Mitnick was truly still not allowed to use a computer. Now it just sounds like he's been sleeping for a year.
-- --JLockard - "Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps." - Emo Phillips
I'd love to hear Woz talk about the days when he was working with Steve Jobs at Atari... oldskool gaming baby!
I agree, whats the deal?
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Eagle5596
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I have to agree, I fail to see what Mitnick could ever contribute. All he is, is a criminal who got caught. He wasn't even much of a computer guru, just knew how to manipulate people well enough to steal some data.
Mitnick's fame is something I can't comprehend. I don't see why we're showering him with honors and treating him like someone who has valuable input, or is worthy of praise. Let him find a job and try and earn an honest living like the rest of us.
Re:I agree, whats the deal?
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Erwos
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The point is, though, is that he's the guy who really showed one of the fundamental issues of computer security: secure software is not enough. _People_ need to be security-concious as well.
It's still a lesson people ignore to this day, so I don't think it's much of a stretch to claim him as a pioneer.
-Erwos
-- Plausible conjecture should not be misrepresented as proof positive.
Re:I agree, whats the deal?
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Eagle5596
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People have known that humans are the most insecure link for much longer than Mitnick. Look up your WWI and WWII history, slogans abounded and posters covered public places about the importance of silence when you could have spies around you.
Mitnick just exploited a well known hole that can't be properly patched. He no more pioneered a field than do Modern bank robbers.
Mitnick is a criminal, and should be treated as such.
Re:I agree, whats the deal?
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dr_dank
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Let him find a job and try and earn an honest living like the rest of us.
-- Where does the school board find them and why do they keep sending them to ME?
Re:I agree, whats the deal?
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Anonymous Coward
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Looks more like he's after fame and easy money. I wish I could earn as much for as little work as this hardened criminal does. What a message to send to our youth: "Commit serious felonies, get arrested, go to jail, get famous, get rich!"
Who wants to be clapped in irons for a few cold million? I do!
Re:I agree, whats the deal?
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dr_dank
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Another person who comes to mind who had done exactly that is Frank Abagnale (the film Catch Me if You Can is based on his life and exploits).
Abagnale has pulled in MILLIONS in consulting fees over the years and has lent his expertise in making monetary instruments more secure from the type of cons he used to pull back in the day.
-- Where does the school board find them and why do they keep sending them to ME?
Re:I agree, whats the deal?
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Eagle5596
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Exactly my problem. As a criminal Mitnick should not profit because of his crimes, all this does is send a message that crime does pay to little kids.
Re:I agree, whats the deal?
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adamofgreyskull
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My boss went to the RSA conference in SF last year and Mitnick was talking specifically about social engineering and other meat-space problems like dumpster-diving.
As I understand it, he's making a career of the things he did back then, because guess what? People are still the weakest link...
Crap. For a start you're making a blanket statement that criminals don't change. He's not making a profit from his crimes, he's making a profit from the skills which he used to commit crimes.
Just like teaching people to hit stuff with a hammer. Just because I may have been caught hitting someone else's stuff in the past, why can't I tell people how to hit their own stuff with hammers? Or how they can stop Bad People hitting their stuff?
Re:I agree, whats the deal?
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dr_dank
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For a start you're making a blanket statement that criminals don't change.
Knowing his method of operations and his past history, would you be able to fully trust him?
-- Where does the school board find them and why do they keep sending them to ME?
Re:I agree, whats the deal?
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Eagle5596
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Why is he getting the job offers? Because he is a criminal. No one would know his name, or have made him CEO were it not for his criminal record. He is profiting from breaking US law. He may be a changed person, but I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him. He's settled into a cushy job of talking about how he commited his criminal exploits to other people, making millions off of his wrong doings.
Re:I agree, whats the deal?
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dr_dank
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or have made him CEO were it not for his criminal record.
IIRC, Defensive Thinking is Mitnicks own company.
-- Where does the school board find them and why do they keep sending them to ME?
Re:I agree, whats the deal?
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Eagle5596
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Someone had to put forth the capital, and to hire him. He wouldn't have the fame, nor the investors without his criminal record.
So what? *You* don't have to trust him. Someone trusts him enough to give him money to do something he likes doing, *despite* the fact that he was a criminal.
I don't know whether or not he served his full sentence, but isn't the point of incarceration, especially in this case, re-habilitation? I can't reasonably believe that it was to protect society from him. He was a criminal, he's done his time, and now people are offering him money to talk about what he did, what's the big deal? There are hundreds of books (in the UK at least) "written" by convicted murderers, gangland thugs, loansharks etc. all telling their story..if people want to hear his story then I see nothing wrong with him telling it.
Wouldn't you rather he was making money talking about past crimes than make money by committing crimes now?
Re:I agree, whats the deal?
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gaijin99
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Mitnick's fame is something I can't comprehend. I don't see why we're showering him with honors and treating him like someone who has valuable input, or is worthy of praise
Mitnick was just another computer thug, as you say there's nothing impressive there. The only reason for Mitnick's fame is not what he did, but what was done *to* him.
After his arrest he was held, without charges, for over two years. It was the first of the anti-American arrest practices that Mr. Bush and the misnamed USA PATRIOT act have made much more common. The fact that he was held, without charges, without evidence, without a trial, without *anything* resembling due process, was such an affront to the very concepts that the US judicial system is theoretically based on that his case gathered massive attention. The fact that Mitnick, personally, was a lowlife thug and a pimple on the ass of hacking is irrelivant. His mistreatment was the important part.
-- "Mission Accomplished" -- George W. Bush May 1, 2003
Re:I agree, whats the deal?
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Eagle5596
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As was posted elsewhere (take the time to read the thread, it's not that long!):
Mitnick's lawyers asked for him to be held longer, this was his choice, and in the end the time was taken off of his prison sentance. His extended incarceration was done as his own request. Read your history, even statements from Mitnick himself, this belief you hold is a common misrepresentation of what really happened.
This isn't "The Man" putting someone down but a cheap trick by mitnick.
Re:I agree, whats the deal?
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duck_oil
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1. Go to jail
2. ???
3. Profit!
Pretty much sums it up. He's an entertainer, not a visionary. Now Woz is the opposite, who is a visionary, but also became an entertainer.
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Poopies!
Re:I agree, whats the deal?
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raist21
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So once a criminal always a criminal is that your point? No such thing as redemption, huh?! I also seem to recall the charges being brought against him as being somewhat blown out of proportion. How about letting the punishment fit the crime. As far as his skill set goes, I have no way of knowing that seeing as how I have never met the man or had an indepth conversation with him regarding it.
Re:I agree, whats the deal?
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Eagle5596
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Read the other posts in this thread, I'm getting tired of posting and reposting the answers to Slashbot misinformation and ignorance. The charges weren't blown out of proportion, Mitnicks media team blew the perception of them out of proportion. The punishment fit the crime, Mitnick's legal team kept him locked up at his request because of the defense they were pursuing.
And while there is such a thing as redemption, he still should not profit from having been a criminal, he can get a real job, but making millions for talking about his infamous criminal history is not an honest living.
Re:I agree, whats the deal?
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raist21
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You don't necessarily have to be the inventor to be a pioneer. A pioneer is someone who opens up new ideas and areas of thought, research, production, etc. Linux torvalds didn't invent the first Unix clone but I definitely believe he's a pioneer in his field. Mitnick became a pioneer in social engineering if for no other reason than he broadened public and political awareness of it to an all time high. Just like Bonnie and Clyde weren't just your average bank robbers either.
Re:I agree, whats the deal?
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Anonymous Coward
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You should read up some on Mitnick's history. Just because he wrote a book on social engineering does not mean that all he did was manipulate people to steal data. He was also very technically competent as well.
Re:I agree, whats the deal?
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raist21
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Actually I did read your other posts, but I found myself wondering what exactly you consider "their misinformation" is this just your opinion or do you have some proof of this statement?
Re:I agree, whats the deal?
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Eagle5596
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No it isn't just my opinion. His lawyers pushed the pretrial to unusual lengths, fighting for various things that Mitnick asked for. As he was arrested for not only his crimes but also for jumping bail, and going on the run after his previous arrest, then committing more crimes, no bail was allowed, he'd already had a bail hearing and proved that he wasn't going to stick around for a trial.
Meanwhile his lawyers kept pushing to have some charges dropped or reclassified and even to just let him have a laptop while in prison (he did get this).
Look on the web it's well documented and I'm not your search engine. Open your eyes Mr. Slashbot.
Re:I agree, whats the deal?
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raist21
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Actually junior, I'm more than familiar with his trial and the case and while yes his lawyers were making lots of requests on his behalf, here's a news flash, that's what lawyers do. And not being allowed a hearing because of past indescretions is still against the law. You have to get hearing, they can deny you, but you have to have it. There's a crime for you. My point is you're twisting the facts. You make it sound like his lawyers legal manuevering some how justifies his treatment. BS! That's our legal system, if you don't like it vote to change it. So save your high and mighty superiority complex until you actually know what you're talking about, instead of just reading news blurbs.
Re:I agree, whats the deal?
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Anonymous Coward
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He did have a hearing moron. He jumped bail after the hearing and was arrested again, and hauled back for the same crimes, plus some. His rights had been satisfied, now pull your head out of his ass, you've nose is brown enough from kissing the butt of a criminal.
Ass wipe.
Re:I agree, whats the deal?
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Eagle5596
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Actually Mr. Slashbot, you're talking out of your rear. One week after Kevin's arrest he agreed to the following terms:
a) no bail hearing;
b) no preliminary hearing;
c) no phone calls, except to his attorney and two family
members
He himself has stated this many times. He agreed on this so that he could be held outside of solitary for a bit. Later he decided he would rather have had the bail hearing and decided to spread FUD, rarely mentioning the original agreement. Get your history straight.
Re:I agree, whats the deal?
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artifex2004
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I don't think it's much of a stretch to claim him as a pioneer.
The fact that he drew attention to flaws in security due to his exploit shouldn't garner him any credit - if it did, we should be crediting bin Laden right now, too, for making the FBI and CIA at least pretend to talk to each other more.
I'm not saying he's that bad, he never killed anyone, but face it, he was either doing things he knew were wrong, or he was sociopathic enough not to understand that fact.
Re:I agree, whats the deal?
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Minna+Kirai
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People have known that humans are the most insecure link for much longer than Mitnick. Look up your WWI and WWII history,
But the fact is that back in WWII, humans were not the weakest link! Technology and encryption techniques were. If the Axis had been smart enough to make more use of OTP and rely less on the ill-concieved Enigma machine, the outcome of the entire war could've been different. (Basically, no US invasion of France, so German and Japan maintain split control of Asia)
By far more and more valuable intelligence was collected by intercepting and decoding radio messages than by any human interaction.
Mitnick is a criminal, and should be treated as such.
Bill Clinton and George W Bush are also criminals. Let's treat them the same!
We're off to see the Wizard
The Wonderful Wizard called woz
We hear he is a Whiz of a Woz
If ever a Woz there was
If ever, oh ever, a Woz there was
The Wizard called Woz is one because
Because, because, because, because, because
Because of the wonderful things he does
We're off the see the wizard
The Wonderful Wizard called Woz
The Great and all powerful Woz seems to be everywhere spreading his message...but what is he doing now?
they specified which planet. At mostconferences it takes me a while to figure out which planet they are talking about.
Bah!
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Anonymous Coward
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I'd rather hear from Gates or Darl McBride. Next story, please...
Re:Am I the only one
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hyperstation
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no, you're not. he's highly regarded, in some cases more so than some pedanticcrybabies we all know...
That did not go over very well
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AtariAmarok
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"I'd rather hear from Gates or Darl McBride"
That did not go over very well. The HOPE planners rejected these alternatives after Gates insisted on a meet and greet in which he "embraced and extended" everyone, and Darl insisted on charging each attendee $699 just to hear the keynote.
-- Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
Re:That did not go over very well
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Anonymous Coward
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and Darl insisted on charging each attendee $699 just to hear the keynote
... which is just a copy of one of Linus Torvalds' university papers with Linus' name smudged out and Darl's "x" crayoned in.
The Woz and blue boxing
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br00tus
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Before Woz designed the Apple, he designed blue boxes, and he and Steve Jobs used to go around selling them to people, with Woz even using some of the design tricks he learned from making blue boxes to build the Apple I and II. I seem to recall either him or Jobs once saying that if they never had built blue boxes, they might have never have built the first Apple (which would mean IBM may have never built a PC, and who knows if any of us would be using PC's right now?), but I forget which one of them said that, when and where.
Re:It'll be Offtopic, but
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Paulrothrock
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Nope. Bastards. How the hell will I fill the void until I get a friggin' project if I can't SSH to my home machine and the only web site of any interest I can get to is/.?
Woz is by far one of the best speakers I have ever heard. I saw him at MacHack a few years ago and the audience couldn't get enough of him. His stories and memories are some of the most colorful and interesting stories, and he has great speaking skills to back them up. I'm considering going to HOPE, and if I could go, I wouldn't miss the chance to be in the front row again.
I'm afraid I have to disagree
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ptomblin
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Some people have talked about what a great speaker Woz is. I saw him speak to the local Apple Users Group (AppleCIDER) and he's got a lot of stories about his interesting experiences and living in interesting times, but he is a BORING speaker. If he ever comes back to get to the topic he was supposed to talk about instead of wandering all over the map, I'd gladly go back, but I don't really want to hear a litany of all the mini-computers he redesigned on paper, saving a whole 5 capacitors.
-- The next Cmdr Taco duplicate will be ready soon, but subscribers can beat the rush and see it early!
Violation of the terms of Mitnicks release
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agentofchange
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I thought the terms of Mitnicks release would prevent him from participating in such an event.
"On January 21 2003, Kevin will be released from the conditions of supervised release which prohibit him from using a computer and from acting as consultant or advisor in computer-related matters. Source:
[kevinmitnick.com]
Surely participation in this event would cover him being an "advisor in computer related matters".
--Agent
Re:Violation of the terms of Mitnicks release
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agentofchange
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Hmm, I botched my first attempt at a hyperlink. Here's the correct url: http://www.kevinmitnick.com/
--Agent
Re:Violation of the terms of Mitnicks release
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dr_dank
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Kevin will be released from the conditions of supervised release which prohibit him from using a computer and from acting as consultant or advisor in computer-related matters
I think you've misunderstood the passage. As of that date, he was no longer bound by the restrictions of his supervised released. They made a big deal about it on the Screensavers.
-- Where does the school board find them and why do they keep sending them to ME?
Re:Violation of the terms of Mitnicks release
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Anonymous Coward
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re-read. it says that, as of jan 12, 2003, he is no longer under supervised release. it was the supervision that prohibited him from acting as a consultant or advisor. he's free to do what he likes now.
I love the Woz but why the heck would anyone want to listen to Kevin Mitnick? If he's as informative on computer security as his book, his whole speech will be about how to lie to brain dead receptionists. Why won't this guy go away and get a real job....
Weeee! Song Doo - starring tux, megaman, gene simmons and a sheep Britney Boob, Fluctuation Explanation
Alternatively you could try learning something new that you could use at work....might impress them instead of fannying about doing nothing...;o)
Re:oo goodie Steven!
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Anonymous Coward
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FYI- Whoever modded this offtopic doesn't understand the topic..
No two hackers (or hackers-by-another-name) are the same. No two follow the exact same ideology. Some are young, some are old. Some like to associate themselves with "negative perjorative labels" and some prefer to try to change other's minds about those labels.
And some just don't give a damn about any of it, love the technology (or whatever they happen to be a hacker of) and could care less what others think about it.
Re:Ask not what is on the spoke, ask what is not
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Anonymous Coward
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I'm afraid definition by example doesn't help.
What does it mean to be "on the spoke"? Your comment seems to indicate that there is a direct correlation between being "on the spoke" and being good.
Re:It'll be Offtopic, but
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Paulrothrock
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Alternatively you could try learning something new that you could use at work....might impress them instead of fannying about doing nothing...;o)
But I don't learn by reading, I learn by doing. If they gave me something to do, I would learn faster. But noooo, all they have me do is web based training. And I'm 'not allowed' to install things on my computer, like a PHP parser or a database so that I could learn something. And my back is to the hallway, so if I do try to do something (like make my own java pong applet), I can get caught easily.
-- I'm in the hole of the broadband donut.
Mitnick's greatest feat of social engineering...
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...is undoubtedly getting so many people to actually give a damn about him.
As a phenomenon within the hacker community, it nearly defies understanding.
The Woz will be there?
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I had no idea that Michael Jackson would be reprising his role from this classic Black take on this fairy tale. Maybe this will be the comeback break he needs.
Oh, the Woz, not the Wiz. Damn.
Re:It'll be Offtopic, but
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You may find that running SSH on port 443 instead port 22 of your home machine solves your proxy filtering issues.
-- 90% of everything is crap. Also, crap is relative.
Be practical. And some facts.
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You want someone with something to add? Hire an ex-NSA or ex-CIA to be your keynote. They knew more about "social engineering" during the world wars than Mitnick will ever know.
Okay, find one that will talk and we'll hire him. They're just not that common. Would they have more to say than Mitnick? Almost for sure, yes. But Mitnick will do for now, thank you very much.
Hackers share; it's part of the ethic for many. Government agents, even ex-agents, don't share that ethic. And the ones that do, you should be suspicious of, because it might be: 1) genuine 2) biased, based on revenge or bitterness to the ex-employer 3) completely false, misleading, entrapping, etc.
This "fear" was never held by those who were holding Mitnick, rather it was FUD spread by Mitnick's own lawyers and representatives as part of a campaign to villify the US govt for arresting Mitnick.
If you're interested in reading some actual transcripts rather than Eagle5596's opinions, here are court transcripts of what both sides were officially saying from 1996 to 2000.
I imagine he could contribute something along the lines of social engineering. After all, he teaches a course in it now through (I could be wrong) SANS Institute. It's a 3 day course.
You forgot one:
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*BSD is not on teh spoke for it is dead (Netcraft confirms)
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Finally, someone with a clue... and modded as a Troll... standard Slashdot group-think, sigh.
In order to fake his identity, Kevin had to steal the birth certificates and social security numbers of dead babies. Yes, it's true, and an old trick. It's funny that Kevin's supporters always scream for their rights, but never think about the rights of the people he harmed.
Kevin deserved his prison sentence for the damage he caused (mostly emotional).
Second choice
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The organizers really wanted The Wiz as the keynote. Unfortunately he's out of commission and the scarecrow's gonna be stuck on the west coast for a while.
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Would they have more to say than Mitnick? Almost for sure, yes.
Big deal. Quantity over quality?
What was the original poster saying? Oh yes. That Mitnick is too mainstream and has been out of the tech world for too long.
The point there? I dunno. Because any CIA/NSA person you could get to come to speak wouldn't be able to talk about anything that happened in about the last FIFTY YEARS.
"It sure was a hoot when we had them Krauts all a-flutter cause we'd convinced them they'd put too much mustard gas on their Frankfurt!"
Mitnick has, lets see: entertaining real-world anecdotes, first-hand experience of how social engineering is used in NON-MILITARY contexts, and useful ideas on how companies and organizations can prevent themselves from being socially engineered.
NOT things you can get from a Fed with the same or even greater level of experience.
(Best Mitnick speech evar: Defcon 2003, when he wasn't supposed to be speaking, but took over a badly flopping social engineering presentation.)
-- Terrorists can attack freedom, but only Congress can destroy it.
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How is it the 10th anniversary, but the "Fifth HOPE"? Was there lag between some of them. I thought HOPE was an annual event. It least it has been since H2K. Anyone?
Can I bum a sig?
I think I'd be afraid to attend this now...
Looks like Woz has come out of hibernation again. Two stories in one day? Must be the spring weather or something.
www.timcoleman.com is a total waste of your time. Never go there.
What does Mitnick has to contrubite? Talk about how computers were seven years ago? Tell how to hind from the cops? What would his speach be about?
Interestingly, there is also a request for speakers.
If you ever get a chance to hear Woz speak, by all means GO!
He has hundreds of great stories. You will not be disappointed.
They know better than to stain themselves with negative pejorative Labels
Due to conditions of release placed on him by the federal government, Mitnick is still prevented from touching any real computers. This is why he is expected to bring an Apple Macintosh to the event.
I would love to get a Woz blue box. Sure it wouldn't work but it would be a work of art.
Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.
Google threatened a "Destruction of Property" lawsuit if any more decided to "Drop in".
When life gives you crap, Make Crapade.
Sluggy Freelance.
I'd love to hear Woz talk about the days when he was working with Steve Jobs at Atari... oldskool gaming baby!
I have to agree, I fail to see what Mitnick could ever contribute. All he is, is a criminal who got caught. He wasn't even much of a computer guru, just knew how to manipulate people well enough to steal some data.
Mitnick's fame is something I can't comprehend. I don't see why we're showering him with honors and treating him like someone who has valuable input, or is worthy of praise. Let him find a job and try and earn an honest living like the rest of us.
We're off to see the Wizard The Wonderful Wizard called woz We hear he is a Whiz of a Woz If ever a Woz there was If ever, oh ever, a Woz there was The Wizard called Woz is one because Because, because, because, because, because Because of the wonderful things he does We're off the see the wizard The Wonderful Wizard called Woz
The Great and all powerful Woz seems to be everywhere spreading his message...but what is he doing now?
...The next HOPE (Hackers on Planet Earth)
George Lucas may be reading this, and like SCO, may be sue happy since he has no real product of substance to push!
Wozniak? Wonder what he thinks of Apple these days. I'll bring down my old Apple ][ and see if he'll autograph my duodisk.
they specified which planet. At mostconferences it takes me a while to figure out which planet they are talking about.
I'd rather hear from Gates or Darl McBride. Next story, please...
no, you're not. he's highly regarded, in some cases more so than some pedantic crybabies we all know...
That did not go over very well. The HOPE planners rejected these alternatives after Gates insisted on a meet and greet in which he "embraced and extended" everyone, and Darl insisted on charging each attendee $699 just to hear the keynote.
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
Don't miss Star Woz at The New HOPE.
Yeah.. it's a slow day.
Operator, give me the number for 911!
Before Woz designed the Apple, he designed blue boxes, and he and Steve Jobs used to go around selling them to people, with Woz even using some of the design tricks he learned from making blue boxes to build the Apple I and II. I seem to recall either him or Jobs once saying that if they never had built blue boxes, they might have never have built the first Apple (which would mean IBM may have never built a PC, and who knows if any of us would be using PC's right now?), but I forget which one of them said that, when and where.
HACK THE PLANET!
while true ; do echo this is my sig; done
you might find www.2600.ca works for you.
Join the Free Software Foundation
Nope. Bastards. How the hell will I fill the void until I get a friggin' project if I can't SSH to my home machine and the only web site of any interest I can get to is /.?
I'm in the hole of the broadband donut.
Woz is by far one of the best speakers I have ever heard. I saw him at MacHack a few years ago and the audience couldn't get enough of him. His stories and memories are some of the most colorful and interesting stories, and he has great speaking skills to back them up. I'm considering going to HOPE, and if I could go, I wouldn't miss the chance to be in the front row again.
Some people have talked about what a great speaker Woz is. I saw him speak to the local Apple Users Group (AppleCIDER) and he's got a lot of stories about his interesting experiences and living in interesting times, but he is a BORING speaker. If he ever comes back to get to the topic he was supposed to talk about instead of wandering all over the map, I'd gladly go back, but I don't really want to hear a litany of all the mini-computers he redesigned on paper, saving a whole 5 capacitors.
The next Cmdr Taco duplicate will be ready soon, but subscribers can beat the rush and see it early!
"On January 21 2003, Kevin will be released from the conditions of supervised release which prohibit him from using a computer and from acting as consultant or advisor in computer-related matters. Source: [kevinmitnick.com]
Surely participation in this event would cover him being an "advisor in computer related matters".
--Agent
I love the Woz but why the heck would anyone want to listen to Kevin Mitnick? If he's as informative on computer security as
his book, his whole speech will be about how to lie to brain dead receptionists. Why won't this guy go away and get a real job....
this Kevin Mitnick guy? :D
You cant fight in here, its a war room!
Teh former lead singer of teh Dead Kennedys.
I too know your pain. Try some of these:
;o)
Weeee!
Song Doo - starring tux, megaman, gene simmons and a sheep
Britney Boob, Fluctuation Explanation
Alternatively you could try learning something new that you could use at work....might impress them instead of fannying about doing nothing...
FYI- Whoever modded this offtopic doesn't understand the topic..
And some just don't give a damn about any of it, love the technology (or whatever they happen to be a hacker of) and could care less what others think about it.
I'm afraid definition by example doesn't help.
What does it mean to be "on the spoke"? Your comment seems to indicate that there is a direct correlation between being "on the spoke" and being good.
Alternatively you could try learning something new that you could use at work....might impress them instead of fannying about doing nothing... ;o)
But I don't learn by reading, I learn by doing. If they gave me something to do, I would learn faster. But noooo, all they have me do is web based training. And I'm 'not allowed' to install things on my computer, like a PHP parser or a database so that I could learn something. And my back is to the hallway, so if I do try to do something (like make my own java pong applet), I can get caught easily.
I'm in the hole of the broadband donut.
...is undoubtedly getting so many people to actually give a damn about him.
As a phenomenon within the hacker community, it nearly defies understanding.
I had no idea that Michael Jackson would be reprising his role from this classic Black take on this fairy tale. Maybe this will be the comeback break he needs.
Oh, the Woz, not the Wiz. Damn.
You may find that running SSH on port 443 instead port 22 of your home machine solves your proxy filtering issues.
90% of everything is crap. Also, crap is relative.
You want someone with something to add? Hire an ex-NSA or ex-CIA to be your keynote. They knew more about "social engineering" during the world wars than Mitnick will ever know.
Okay, find one that will talk and we'll hire him. They're just not that common. Would they have more to say than Mitnick? Almost for sure, yes. But Mitnick will do for now, thank you very much.
Hackers share; it's part of the ethic for many. Government agents, even ex-agents, don't share that ethic. And the ones that do, you should be suspicious of, because it might be:
1) genuine
2) biased, based on revenge or bitterness to the ex-employer
3) completely false, misleading, entrapping, etc.
This "fear" was never held by those who were holding Mitnick, rather it was FUD spread by Mitnick's own lawyers and representatives as part of a campaign to villify the US govt for arresting Mitnick.
If you're interested in reading some actual transcripts rather than Eagle5596's opinions, here are court transcripts of what both sides were officially saying from 1996 to 2000.
I imagine he could contribute something along the lines of social engineering. After all, he teaches a course in it now through (I could be wrong) SANS Institute. It's a 3 day course.
*BSD is not on teh spoke for it is dead (Netcraft confirms)
Finally, someone with a clue... and modded as a Troll
In order to fake his identity, Kevin had to steal the birth certificates and social security numbers of dead babies. Yes, it's true, and an old trick. It's funny that Kevin's supporters always scream for their rights, but never think about the rights of the people he harmed.
Kevin deserved his prison sentence for the damage he caused (mostly emotional).
The organizers really wanted The Wiz as the keynote. Unfortunately he's out of commission and the scarecrow's gonna be stuck on the west coast for a while.
Would they have more to say than Mitnick? Almost for sure, yes.
Big deal. Quantity over quality?
What was the original poster saying? Oh yes. That Mitnick is too mainstream and has been out of the tech world for too long.
The point there? I dunno. Because any CIA/NSA person you could get to come to speak wouldn't be able to talk about anything that happened in about the last FIFTY YEARS.
"It sure was a hoot when we had them Krauts all a-flutter cause we'd convinced them they'd put too much mustard gas on their Frankfurt!"
Mitnick has, lets see: entertaining real-world anecdotes, first-hand experience of how social engineering is used in NON-MILITARY contexts, and useful ideas on how companies and organizations can prevent themselves from being socially engineered.
NOT things you can get from a Fed with the same or even greater level of experience.
(Best Mitnick speech evar: Defcon 2003, when he wasn't supposed to be speaking, but took over a badly flopping social engineering presentation.)
Terrorists can attack freedom, but only Congress can destroy it.
So your saying BSD isn't a real OS? ;)
Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see.