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Microbroadcasting Summer Camp

ScottGant writes "Wired has this story about Steven Dunifer and his four-day Radio Summer Camps sponsored by Free Radio Berkeley that offers how-tos for building transmitters and antennas, along with advice on handling any FCC agents that might come knocking. Imagine this: A thousand little stations send radio programming across cities and towns from senior centers, dorm rooms and attics. The understaffed FCC would be powerless to shut them down. Audiences would have substantive content choices. No one would tune into Top-40 radio. And the media moguls would slink back into their caves. The FCC and Big Radio are obviously paying attention to the microbroadcasters -- it was pressure from independent broadcasters that forced the FCC to grant a limited number of low-power, or LPFM, radio licenses to community organizations, a decision that the NAB resisted. Are these Pirates or Patriots?"

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  1. MicroBroadcasters by mpost4 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I know this will not be popular, but there is a reason for the FCC to be around and to control the spectrum. Think about it, if the FCC did not exist I could drive around with a 2kilowatt spread spectrum transmitter on 2.4Ghz, good by WiFi, or I could jam all cell phones anywhere. The FCC may not be perfect but we need it. Also with these vandals (yes I use the word vandals) it would be nice if they were low power and such, but they get their kicks from broadcasting over another station. That is one reason for the FCC to protect peoples right to their freq. If one wants something on the air there is always the public access stations. Or you could do a net stream, there are many other options, the FCC is not there just to hurt the little guy, they are there to protect the bands, they are not always good at it, and they make mistakes

    1. Re:MicroBroadcasters by MisterJones · · Score: 4, Interesting
      I agree. Aren't these microbroadcasters on the same level as spammers? By broadcasting whatever they please over top of the expected/indended brodcasts, they interfere with the regular reception on my radio. Maybe I don't want to listen to their band's demo tape for 60 hours in a row. What if I prefer 'top-40' drivel?

      Does the fact that larger radio stations are owned by a company and have a license make them evil?

    2. Re:MicroBroadcasters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      That is one reason for the FCC to protect peoples right to their freq.

      HEY NOW! You *know* those freqs have to be FREE!

    3. Re:MicroBroadcasters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Good point, unfortunately.

      Historically, when I see the words "Berkeley" and "Free speech" mentioned in the same article, I put on my hip boots. "Free speech" at Berkeley usually means "Free speech for people who agree with us; everybody else gets a free roll of duct tape."

      I hope the Free Radio Berkeley people aren't actively encouraging folks to broadcast on top of legal FM licensees. That's a bad idea from both a political standpoint and a technical one (the 100 kW station will generally win, due to the FM capture effect).

    4. Re:MicroBroadcasters by Rik+van+Riel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's why they need to be regulated, and probably given a few channels where they are allowed to broadcast at low power.

      Freedom of speech is good, freedom to make yourself heard even better. I'd really like to see a way for microbroadcasters to get on the air without disturbing the current users of the spectrum.

    5. Re:MicroBroadcasters by warpSpeed · · Score: 4, Insightful
      While agree with you that the FCC is there to protect the spectrum from abuses, they are also crushing any kind of innovation by not accepting simple low power transmitters, used responsibly, as a legitimate use of the spectrum. If they were to allow low power transmitters, and provide specs as two what make said transmitter, you would see something happen akin to the WiFi market. There would be lots of people that would be interested in legal hardware that could provide the low power broadcasting. Simplify the process for applying for a licens for one of these low power transmitters, and you would have a vibrant market.

      The FCC says that only pirates are doing this, but until they sanction low power transmitters with legitimate rules, the hardware manufactures will not produce the product the "average joe" use...

      The FCC it self is the problem, because they are in the pockets of the Big Radio corps...

    6. Re:MicroBroadcasters by mpost4 · · Score: 1

      Well depends if I am a block from you with 5 watts and the 10kW station is 45x the distance from you I will be stronger, do to the invers law of RF, aka the power of the transmition is 1 / sqrt(distance)

    7. Re:MicroBroadcasters by mpost4 · · Score: 3, Informative

      sorry it is 1/distance^2 not sqrt, the number is about right, I just missed typed.

    8. Re:MicroBroadcasters by karnal · · Score: 1

      Actually, what upsets me more is the fact that someone with a high powered linear can affect more than just equipment that deals solely with Radio Waves.

      For instance, I watch tv, and pipe the audio through a home theatre receiver, which is then fed to my speakers. A few months ago, about once a week, we get this horribly loud noise of a trucker blaring out on his CB. Naturally, I thought it was a bit odd, because we're probably 2 miles or so to the nearest highway. In fact one evening it forced my receiver into an overload condition....

      The problem here is that I can't exactly pinpoint the source of the signal and say "cut that out", because the guy is on the move. All I can do is hope that the guy gets on a different route and leave my poor amplifier alone.

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    9. Re:MicroBroadcasters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >> I could jam all cell phones anywhere

      Methinks this might be a good idea.

    10. Re:MicroBroadcasters by Otter · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I don't have the slightest idea how radio trasnmissions could or could not be safely regulated, and accordingly have no view on what policies the FCC should enact.

      What I do know is that setting up my radio station because some badass-in-his-own-mind from Berkeley gave me some instructions and now the whole world will be able to listen to my homemade techno mixes and Top 40 stations will be doomed and the FCC will be powerless to stop me and I'll STRIKE A GLORIOUS BLOW FOR FREEDOM*****!!!!

      ...well, that would make me a nuisance and an imbecile.

    11. Re:MicroBroadcasters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or you could do a net stream

      Right !!! Asshole...
      the same sonsabitches already took care of that shit
      you got any idea how many fuckin stations where
      taken off the air when the big ass stations
      started whineing...about net streamers stealing
      their revenue...???

      Wake UP dumbass....bigbrotherstationtroll

    12. Re:MicroBroadcasters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I know this will not be popular, but there is a reason for the FCC to be around and to control the spectrum.

      The popularity of your statements is irrelevant. Their logic and basis is the issue.

      Also with these vandals (yes I use the word vandals) it would be nice if they were low power and such, but they get their kicks from broadcasting over another station.

      First, you've already made up your mind. Do you know any of "these vandals"? Have you met them?

      In my experience (and I have LONG experience in both ham radio and microbroadcasting) most of the people you're talking about will NOT broadcast over another station because doing so is contrary to their own goals.

      The goal of micropower radio is to HAVE A RADIO STATION OF YOUR OWN. It's a little counterproductive to go around vandalizing other stations. You tend to last longer the more you control your signal and keep it from interfering.

      That is one reason for the FCC to protect peoples right to their freq. If one wants something on the air there is always the public access stations.

      The peoples' right to their freq? Nobody has a RIGHT to a frequency under the FCC. The use of a frequency is a PRIVILEGE doled out to those who can either pass a test (ham radio) or pay enough cash (spectrum auctions, license fees).

      Under the FCC, the PEOPLE have NO RIGHT to broadcast anything. And that's the problem. The spectrum belongs to EVERYONE but the FCC will only allow broadcasting to those who have deep, deep pockets.

      Precisely whose interests do you suppose they are protecting?

      Or you could do a net stream, there are many other options, the FCC is not there just to hurt the little guy, they are there to protect the bands, they are not always good at it, and they make mistakes

      You COULD do lots of things. You could publish a book or you could distribute tapes or you could stand on a box in a park with a bullhorn.

      The problem with this argument is that it's fallacious. It says, "You don't need to do A because you can always do B." Fine, there are always alternatives.

      Why do you need to use the internet? I mean really...you could use the telephone or send a letter or distribute your data on floppies or cds. When you use the internet, you're risking interference to others. How do we know that your machine won't become infected with a virus and trojan and send out spam or attack our networks? We'd better regulate the Internet and make so that only the wealthy can use it! Oh, we'll give little 14.4k connections to those who can pass a test...that way if they get infected then they can only send a little spam.

      The fallacy is about convenience. Why do 3 to 6 megacorporate conglomerates get to control ALL public discourse in the United States via the most powerful media? They clearly don't do a good job and they clearly have a vested interest in keeping certain information from us (like when their other products are faulty or their CEO commits a crime).

      Why can't WE THE PEOPLE, by whose authority public resources are SUPPOSED to be available fairly (if not equally), use broadcast media for our own purposes?

      Cost? Anyone can now buy or build a transmitter that will comply with regulations for little money.

      Scarcity of spectrum? Maybe in New York or LA but in a town like Des Moines, Iowa there's PLENTY of specturm available...and a town like that NEEDS the diversity of voice.

      Standards? BULLSHIT! America has no standards but the dollar.

      The issue is competition. Understand this concept and everything else makes sense. People who have money and power will DO ANYTHING (lie, cheat, steal and kill) to keep others from getting money and power. Win lose mentality. The FCC are merely their buttboys.

      The problem with this is that microbroadcasting isn't about money and power. It's about freedom and it's about choice and it's about diversity and it's about art and it's about expression. But the big corps can't fathom this. How could something not be about our one right true and only God MONEY????

      Top 40 and talk radio are a disease. Micropowerbroadcasting is the cure.

    13. Re:MicroBroadcasters by warpSpeed · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I don't have the slightest idea how radio trasnmissions could or could not be safely regulated, and accordingly have no view on what policies the FCC should enact.

      This is why the FCC should produce specs on the subject, just like they do for WiFi equipment.

      What that would do is signal to the manufactures what they can make and sell as a legitimate product.

      Would'nt it be nice to legaly "STRIKE A GLORIOUS BLOW FOR FREEDOM*****!!!!", without getting arrested or fined?

    14. Re:MicroBroadcasters by hackman · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It doesn't make the larger radio stations evil directly, they ended up that way because they are under control of a very few companies. (Basically 2 to my knowledge).

      They are trying to gain some audience so they can change the way the FCC operations, the fact that significant resources beyond the technical gear is required to communicate over the airwaves could be interpreted as limiting freedom of speech.

      I'm not saying it should be wide open to anyone, it certainly needs some regulation. I'm saying the existing restrictions on frequency use have gone beyond just protecting the frequences and moved into the realm of monopoly-like power over a critical resource.

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    15. Re:MicroBroadcasters by Woodmeister · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Yup. All of your points are quite valid. The main problem here though is probably "Big Radio". Because spectrum is scarce and the need for a reliable means of the most essential means of receiving information exists, we do need the FCC (or the CRTC up here in the Great White North) to enforce rules regarding the improper use of the public airwaves. However, the airwaves are a "public" resource, and some of it should be allocated to any Joe who wishes to operate a low power (ie. a couple of watts or less) FM station as a service to the community. The need for licencing such LPFM stations is still there (to let the authorities know who is who), but it should be more trivial for folks to obtain said licences. Big radio will always be able to play the game, but much pressure has been applied over the years to make them the only player.

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    16. Re:MicroBroadcasters by uqbar · · Score: 1

      Does the fact that larger radio stations are owned by a company and have a license make them evil?
      Well the fact that they are all owned by A company (well maybe 2 companies) shows that the FCC isn't doing such a good job of doling out this limited resource. This is a democracy, and yet we don't get a full spectrum of voices on the air - this is a real problem.

    17. Re:MicroBroadcasters by dasmegabyte · · Score: 4, Informative

      Well, one of the rules of microbroadcasting is that you're not supposed to use a channel occupied by, or within .3 MHz of, an existing station.

      And it's more than just gentleman's advice...if you try to piggyback your local 50,000W clearchannel station with your 10W community station, you will never be heard, not even in your own house. Your radio will ignore your broadcast as static.

      When I do "pirate" broadcasts, I generally use a piece of the spectrum in between our local NPR station and a "dance party" college radio station. Both are low powered, relatively, so I get a good signal. I can broadcast almost all the way down the street! It was a lot more useful in college...where a good, low-powered-but-legal signal could reach the 9000 students or whatever in the dorms.

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    18. Re:MicroBroadcasters by pjrc · · Score: 3, Informative
      I agree. Aren't these microbroadcasters on the same level as spammers?

      No. Well, not usually.

      By broadcasting whatever they please over top of the expected/indended brodcasts, they interfere with the regular reception on my radio.

      Like many other's posting today, you're stuck in the paradigm that microbroadcasters are going to intentionally broadcast "on top" of some already in-use band... and that if it weren't for the FCC's enforcement of the licensed allocation the FM and AM bands would be utter chaos. I've got some news for you...

      Broadcasting in the same band as an established station with a strong signal isn't going to get you any significant coverage or audience (no matter how compelling your program material may be). A low power transmitter's field strength is going to be overwhelmed after only a short distance if there's a powerful transmitter within the same city... especially if it has the tremendous advantage of transmitting from a tower on top of a hill. This is especially true for FM, where the radio will track the higher amplitude frequency and effectively ignore your smaller signal. Even on AM, where you have a chance of superimposing your audio, it doesn't take much signal from the strong source before your voice/music is not intelligable.

      Low power radio transmission also doesn't reach enough people to be effecive at selling the scams and questionable products that most spammers push.

      What if I prefer 'top-40' drivel?

      In the extreemly unlikely case some low power transmitter spewing an unlicensed signal on top of your pop music station... you'll probably only have to move a short distance or just orient your antenna a little differently to pick up the extreemly strong signal these stations transmit.

      Even if you're deprived of Top-40 for a little while, take comfort in the likelyhood that it won't last long. Sure, someone may be having a good laugh somewhere... but they're probably going to shut it off soon, partly for fear of getting caught, but also because it won't be long until they realize turning to an unused band or one with a very weak signal is going to buy them a lot more coverage.

    19. Re:MicroBroadcasters by mpost4 · · Score: 1

      Agreed that Big Radio plays a big part of the problem in that the same stuff is always played.

      Also with the lowpower stations, maybe a diffirant band of the spectrum could be alocated to them ( I know people would need diffirant radios to listen to them) But ya it would be nice if there was a legil way for lowpower stations to exist to add some flavor to the mix. but with the LPFM, how would the licencing go, I sure hope not like GPMR is done here in the us (you pay 80USD and you got a licence) I would like to see something along the lines of a Ham test (and maybe the Ham test made a bit harder)

      KB3HCG

    20. Re:MicroBroadcasters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The FCC grants Low Power FM (LPFM) licenses.

      The rules for LPFM are found in 47 CFR 73.801.

      For further information about LPFM and licensing, see http://www.fcc.gov/lpfm/ and http://www.fcc.gov/mb/audio/getstat.html

      I've worked with a fully licensed and wholly listener supported noncommercial FM station for a long time. We follow the rules. We have an audience that wants to hear us. They send us money so we can continue broadcasting.

      These pirates don't care whose legal signal they splatter. They don't care about transmitter frequency stability, modulation index limits, spurs and harmonics, out-of-band signals, or any other technical niceties. They don't care whether the FM band is even listenable.

      They don't even care about maintaining regular broadcast hours. They just want to go on the air when they want, where they want, and "play radio" for a while until they get tired and mommy puts them to bed.

      "Seminars" on how to be a pirate are often nothing more than sales pitches from vendors of non-type-accepted transmitter equipment, hoping to separate a few idiots from their money.

    21. Re:MicroBroadcasters by cmowire · · Score: 1

      Actually, most of the modern microbroadcasters make extra-sure that they don't interfere with existing stations. Most folks can't afford enough power to broadcast over an existing station. The vandals who try to replace signals (best known by the "Max Headrom" prankster) are a seperate group of folks.

      I'm not on the streets protesting for them, but the microbroadcasters have a pretty good point. The NAB has, more or less, done nothing but lie to congress to try to protect the interests of the big companies. The problem is when the FCC spends too much time protecting corporate interests and not enough time protecting *our* interests.

    22. Re:MicroBroadcasters by akb · · Score: 1

      they get their kicks from broadcasting over another station

      This statement makes absolutely no sense. I have attended workshops run by people mentioned in this article and they spend much time on how to broadcast without interfering. It takes quite a bit more work to not interfere, you have to buy extra equipment and use testing tools to do a survey. Its much easier to just slap together a kit and pick a frequency. That is not what the people in this article are about.

      Most people that start radio stations want the station to be heard, overlapping with a transmitter hundreds of times more powerful is not the way to do it. If you read the article closely you would know that the LPFM movement is trying to get Congress to approve an FCC plan to license thousands of stations, after having shown that microbroadcasters can broadcast without interfering. Most of them are willing to work with the FCC if Congress will let the FCC work with them.

    23. Re:MicroBroadcasters by dasmegabyte · · Score: 1

      Uh...

      The FCC does exactly what you're talking about. It only regulates stations above a certain wattage, even on the broadcast radio spectrum.

      You don't even need a license. Buy one of these and make your own radio station, man. It's easy. And with a few simple modes, you can double the range without irking the FCC. Place your antenna in the right place and you can get up to a mile of broadcast strength for your community station.

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    24. Re:MicroBroadcasters by jdreed1024 · · Score: 1
      I know this will not be popular, but there is a reason for the FCC to be around and to control the spectrum.

      Indeed there is. The only problem is that the FCC was originally supposed to be a bunch of Joe Citizens. It was not supposed to cave to media interests and fuck over the end users. It was not intended to give its blessings to allow media monopolies.

      I'm all in favor of regulation and control of the spectrum - otherwise, my neighbor next door would be able to broadcast porn on the same frequency as the local PBS station so 5 year olds would see that instead of Sesame Street. Or a guy walking down the street would be allowed to jam my cellphone signals. (Yes, cell phone users can be annoying, and you have every right to ask them to STFU, but not to terminate their conversation). Or some competing phone company would prevent me from dialing 911 if I didn't pay them money.

      The FCC needs to exist, and the spectrum needs to be regulated. But it needs to be regulated fairly, and needs to favor consumers over big media companies (after all, there are more of us than them). And the current incarnation of the FCC has shown that they suck at doing that.

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    25. Re:MicroBroadcasters by akb · · Score: 1

      There has been a proposal to do exactly this, however the broadcast industry purchased a vote by Congress to override the FCC's technical plan. Recently a followup study found the interference concerns were without merit, look for legislation to be introduced very soon that will allow thousands of low power FM stations to be licensed.

      For background see the Free Press LPFM page.

    26. Re:MicroBroadcasters by Naffer · · Score: 1

      I love this PDF of the Radio Spectrum. If you look carefully you'll see that there really isn't an amazing amount of space in the FM spectrum so it wouldn't take too many unlicensed channels to cause problems.
      Incidently, I feel that the AM spectrum is a greater waste of radio spectrum then all other wastes combined. Heck, FM and HAM combined use less then half the spectrum of AM. I know that lower frequencies don't carry as much information, but surely there is a better use for that low frequency space then AM radio... I wouldn't mind if they killed AM radio and allowed wireless internet using the AM band. Might be slow, but you'd have coverage from all over.

    27. Re:MicroBroadcasters by figa · · Score: 1

      Not quite. The only reason LPFM got anywhere with the FCC is because of the vast number of Jesus freaks wanting access to the airwaves, especially in small communities where there's a lot of open frequencies. If you look at who applied for LPFM stations a vast number were religious organizations. While Berkeley may be educating the kids in combat boots, the other side of the spectrum, if you will, is in on it as well.

    28. Re:MicroBroadcasters by Naffer · · Score: 1

      Replying to yourself is taboo, but so is being an idiot and failing to notice that the chart is scaled. AM radio only takes up slightly more then 1Mhz of spectrum.

    29. Re:MicroBroadcasters by stevew · · Score: 1

      Having been an "observer" of Stephen Dunifer and the FCC actions towards him for better than a decade, Mr. Dunnifer is definately in the "pirate" class. I've had more than one email exchange with the evil FCC engineer-in-charge at the time on the subject. (I live maybe 30 miles from Berzerkley and have never actually HEARD FRB..) I've also watched what Dunifer has said on their web site, etc over the years.

      People would be best advised to study a little history before they start castigating the FCC, giving Dunifer full support, or ignoring his message.

      As it turns out, in the mid 20's radio was in the state that Dunifer is advocating, i.e. pure chaos. You had grocery stores putting up transmitters and advertising without licensing, or auto-dealers, or whoever could afford the hardware. A true free-for-all.

      Eventually congress stepped into the mess and passed the Communications act of 1934 which created the FCC. Part of FCCs charter was to regulate the air-waves so this problem wouldn't re-occur again.

      Another red herring you hear all the time is "freedom of speach" on radio. The simple problem with this is that use of the radio spectrum is treated much like driving a car is under law. It is a privilege, not a right to have access to the radio spectrum under US law. That is what gives FCC the authority/ability to limit what people can say on broadcast radio! It's the same mechanisms that makes it illegal to drive as fast as you want too.

      Now I mentioned that I also thought that Dunifer did have some good points to make even though he has acted as a pirate to make his point. The FCC had effectively frozen out legal low-power stations at the time Dunifer started transmitting. I think THAT was a mistake.

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    30. Re:MicroBroadcasters by iminplaya · · Score: 1

      The FCC is in the content business now. They are dictating what you can put in your signal. Most of their present work is purely political, and tech issues have fallen by the wayside. I noticed that when they let the market decide on which AM stereo format to use, instead of thoroughly checking the specs on each and simply putting the best one on the air. When they were a real technical organization, they were pretty damn good, and many of the standards used still hold up today. Now, of course, it's all about the money.

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    31. Re:MicroBroadcasters by akb · · Score: 1

      Nowhere in the article does it say anything about broadcasting over top of other stations so that people won't be able to listen to licensed stations. Having attended training sessions by people mentioned in the article they spend a great deal of time going over how to run a station so as not to interfere.

      Think about it, if you wanted to run a radio station so that your music or news could be heard, would you broadcast on the same frequency as a station hundreds of times as powerful?

    32. Re:MicroBroadcasters by iminplaya · · Score: 1

      Striking a glorious blow for freedom is probably illegal by its very nature. If it were legal, it wouldn't be glorious. Very few of our present freedoms were gained legally at the beginning. Voter rights, women's rights, end of alcohol prohibition, etc. were all won by illegal acts, making the law unenforcable.

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    33. Re:MicroBroadcasters by Otto · · Score: 3, Informative

      Like many other's posting today, you're stuck in the paradigm that microbroadcasters are going to intentionally broadcast "on top" of some already in-use band... and that if it weren't for the FCC's enforcement of the licensed allocation the FM and AM bands would be utter chaos. I've got some news for you...

      I've got some news for you too. Transmitters "leak". A homemade transmitter tends to leak a lot. They don't stay confined to one and only one section, they spread across a chunk of spectrum. They have to, in fact, because that's how frequency modulation works. But when it goes a lot further than it's supposed to, it causes interference on neighboring channels.

      Few here are concerns about jackasses who try to steal bandspace from some other station. That's a self solving problem. But poorly made transmitters that knock out a whole MHz of the spectrum at a time is not unheard of, or indeed, uncommon in pirate radio.

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    34. Re:MicroBroadcasters by MBCook · · Score: 2
      Isn't that fair. It's there for a good reason, but it's why in my area FM transmitters are useless.

      I live on the plains (rolling hills) near a major city. There is basically no static on my radio dial. Everywhere I tune with my car radio, I can either hear a clear station, or a static with a station under it. The radio dial is FULL. 91.1 (for an example) has a station, 91.3 is free. 91.5 has a station, 91.7 is free. It's like this for nearly the entire band. Some stations (local 100,000 watt powerhouses) make things harder than others.

      Having a little transmitter so I can listen to my iPod in my car is nice, but it's a royal pain to find a free station. And the things that are free, vary by area. So what works near my home, doesn't work 10 or 20 miles away (either towards or away from the city). And I'm out in the distant suburbs, things are worse downtown.

      There is NO ROOM for microbroadcasters where I live. The FCC would have to move things around and dedicate new space (ex 70.1 to 87.9 MHz) for microbroadcasters, because there is no space for 'em now. Out in the middle of no where, yes, but not 30 miles (as the crow flies) from a 450,000 person metropolis.

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    35. Re:MicroBroadcasters by zrobotics · · Score: 1

      This happened to me, and it sucked. I was drivin along listening to my favorite rock station, and all of a sudden it switched over to some easy listening NPR type talk program. These people aren't reclaiming the airwaves, they are stealing from legal radio stations that have paid and gotten licences to broadcast. The mere idea of "reclaiming the airwaves" is ridiculous. If they want to be heard, they should get a radio licence from the FCC. Personally, I think the FCC should prosecute these people and get them off the air.

    36. Re:MicroBroadcasters by dasmegabyte · · Score: 1

      There's probably a ton of toom on the AM dial, where things are less cramped. And with modern AM technology, the sound quality is better that, well, realaudio.

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    37. Re:MicroBroadcasters by jdavidb · · Score: 1

      Hear, hear! Excellent comments!

      (Except I might add that I love talk radio and it is the conservative anti-big-government perspective on liberty that talk radio has given me that makes me agree with your statements that we need to open broadcasting up to everybody freely.)

    38. Re:MicroBroadcasters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (Except I might add that I love talk radio and it is the conservative anti-big-government perspective on liberty that talk radio has given me that makes me agree with your statements that we need to open broadcasting up to everybody freely.)

      I'm the AC parent of your reply.

      Your observation is fair. By way of clarification, I think I mistakenly implied that Top 40 and Talk Radio are a disease in and of themselves.

      I don't have any problem with Top 40 and Talk Radio being available. Nothing wrong with that.

      I do have a problem with the fact that, in most markets, they are the ONLY formats available.

      On the other hand, many towns have small college and high school broadcasters as an alternative but, frankly, they mostly just emulate the the big stations so they offer no real diversity.

      (There are, as in all things, occasional exceptions.)

    39. Re:MicroBroadcasters by Obfuscant · · Score: 1
      Under the FCC, the PEOPLE have NO RIGHT to broadcast anything.

      Actually, under the US Constitution, people don't have that right. It is one of the unenumerated that can be debated til the cows come home. But constitutionally, no.

      Maybe in New York or LA but in a town like Des Moines, Iowa there's PLENTY of specturm available...

      There is the same amount of spectrum in New York as there is in Des Moines. There are more stations using it in big cities than small, is all.

      But anyway, the equal protection clause would prevent regulations that allowed Des Moines residents to run unlicensed radio stations while preventing New York City residents from doing the same.

      Why can't WE THE PEOPLE, by whose authority public resources are SUPPOSED to be available fairly (if not equally), use broadcast media for our own purposes?

      Because there are not enough of those resources for everyone to use them at the same time, even in Des Moines, IA.

    40. Re:MicroBroadcasters by dclydew · · Score: 1

      Of course they leak. My 3000W transmitter for a FM Radio Station used to leak across .3k everytime the tube started to decay. Stupid station manager never bought a new tube till the last minute.

      However, 3000W leaking causes problems. 10W leaking isn't gonna cause near the problem. Esp if its near a 10,000W transmitter. It will not likely interefere at all.

      Unfortunately I don't run pirate radio... The FCC would yank my HAM licence I'm sure

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    41. Re:MicroBroadcasters by Jott42 · · Score: 1

      But the leakage will be a problem! If you are close to me, and I am far from the 10kW transmitter.
      Everybody on the low power side assumes that if you listen to a high-power station you are also close to it. On the contrary: stations transmit with high power in order to reach further, and a high power station will have more area on "the margin". Alas, more places where your low-power station may interfere or swamp the high-power station.

    42. Re:MicroBroadcasters by jdavidb · · Score: 1

      I'm the AC parent of your reply.

      Very glad to hear a response from you.

      I don't have any problem with Top 40 and Talk Radio being available. Nothing wrong with that. I do have a problem with the fact that, in most markets, they are the ONLY formats available.

      /me voices vociferous agreement. :)

    43. Re:MicroBroadcasters by ryanwright · · Score: 1

      There's nothing wrong with being a Jesus freak.

      You, on the other hand, could stand to learn a little tolerance. Something you accuse people like me of lacking, but your anti-religious blasphemy tells me it's the other way around.

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    44. Re:MicroBroadcasters by operagost · · Score: 1
      Uh, the radio is media and as such, it should have the same rights to freedom of speech as a newspaper. By your rationale, an hypothetical organization called the FNC (Federal Newspaper Commission) could shut down a newspaper for printing something "objectionable".

      The problem we have is a nebulous something called "obscenity".

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    45. Re:MicroBroadcasters by ryanwright · · Score: 1

      Yep - people that used to live down the street from me put a big powerful (and illegal) linear amp on their home base station CB. Every time they keyed up I could hear 'em over my computer speakers. I was going to file a complaint but they moved shortly thereafter.

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    46. Re:MicroBroadcasters by The+Conductor · · Score: 1

      As it turns out, in the mid 20's radio was in the state that Dunifer is advocating, i.e. pure chaos. You had grocery stores putting up transmitters and advertising without licensing, or auto-dealers, or whoever could afford the hardware. A true free-for-all.

      Ah, but the history-written-by-the-winners omits the fact that a non-regulatory solution to this had already evolved by the 30's. Dealing with diputes like these, the courts hammered out a common-law-like homesteading principle. In essence, first person to use & "improve" (by building a transmitter on a hill, for example) a portion of spectrum could claim a property right over it. Subsequent people who transmit on top of an already claimed frequency could be sued for damages analogous to tresspass.

      Instead of building on and codifying all this "market" knowlege embodied in the case law, the Communications Act threw it all out and replaced it with a centrally planned beauracracy. This stuck in the craw of the Iron Lady & her ilk ever since. (Forgive her wrath, she never lived to see the Great Spectrum Auctions of 1996.) The FCC's best sucesses (cell phones, Wi-Fi) come when the agency hews close to a frequency-as-property approach.

      Of course, many of these "free radio" types aren't particularly interested in respecting others' property-like rights either. They want people to listen to their message, regardless of how interesting or credible it is.

    47. Re:MicroBroadcasters by Bourbonium · · Score: 1

      You've got it backwards, dude. How the hell can a 50 Watt micropower transmitter broadcast "over the top" of commercial radio stations with 5000W transmitters? In fact, what Dunnifer and other microbroadcasters do is locate unused FM frequencies in the local area so they can be heard without interference from the giant commercial signals. Free Radio Berkeley can only be heard within a 2 mile radius of the transmitter at 104.1 FM, whereas the nearest commercial station on the dial can be picked up 50-100 miles away. That would be 105.3 FM, currently the home of Howard Stern in the mornings, who is waging his own war against the FCC.

      If you prefer top 40 drivel, you are free to listen to it from more than a dozen sources in the major markets. I don't always listen to 104.1 when I'm in Berkeley, but it's nice to have a non-commercial alternative to NPR and Pacifica and all the ClearChannel and Infinity stations in the Bay Area.

    48. Re:MicroBroadcasters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I won't touch the unenumerated rights issue (most people just decide what they want it to be and pervert the facts to support it, so there's really no point in arguing).

      The problem with your proposal (and of course the way things currently work) is that it leaves vast tracts of spectrum unused, that someone might want. It also assumes that everyone might want it, or that people are not capable of sharing.

      What reason is there to prevent people from using the available spectrum in Des Moines? Equal protection doesn't cut it if you just open the unused bands for non-comercial use. If there aren't any free bands, then there's none to use. I don't think this would be a legal problem (IANAL), especially since the courts have already ruled that placing time and place restrictions on speech is allowed.

      Even if "there are not enough of those resources for everyone to use them at the same time, even in Des Moines, IA", does that mean that *no one* can use those frequencies?
      Not every one will want to run a micro-radio station, so you know, in some places there might be enough spectrum for everybody. And even where there's not, isn't there a way we could fairly distribute the unused portions to people that may want to use it?

      The current scheme is stupid, and the FCC knows it. The only problem is that money talks, and Joe MicroRadio doesn't have the money.

    49. Re:MicroBroadcasters by object88 · · Score: 1

      Similar thing happened to me. When I was living at my folks house, my backyard neighbors set up a (large) CB antenna. The signal got sapped right up into my telephone cord. My folks tried complaining, though I forgot whom to, but no action was taken.

    50. Re:MicroBroadcasters by object88 · · Score: 1

      GP: Maybe in New York or LA but in a town like Des Moines, Iowa there's PLENTY of specturm available...

      P: There is the same amount of spectrum in New York as there is in Des Moines.


      He didn't say total spectrum, he said spectrum available. Exactly the same as what you said.

      GP: Why can't WE THE PEOPLE, by whose authority public resources are SUPPOSED to be available fairly (if not equally), use broadcast media for our own purposes?

      P: Because there are not enough of those resources for everyone to use them at the same time, even in Des Moines, IA.


      Well, then, it's sure a good thing that rich companies get the vast majority of what's out there.

    51. Re:MicroBroadcasters by mccrew · · Score: 1
      Freedom of speech is good, freedom to make yourself heard even better.

      One of these is constitutionally protected, and one is not. Sadly, many well-intentioned folks here think that freedom of speech is somehow interchangeable with a requirement to be heard.

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    52. Re:MicroBroadcasters by MonkKBFR · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Wow... harsh words indeed. We run Boulder Free Radio in Boulder, CO. We tried to get a license (LPFM) but the NAB and NPR bought a couple of senators and had the rules changes so you couldn't GET a license unless you were in the middle of nowhere (no other stations around). They changed the rules in the middle of the game. I'd already bought the equipment (took 6 mo. to get back in 2000) and here I was, equipment in hand and no way to get licensed. I could sell it on eBay or say screw it and go on the air. I said screw it. We go out of our way to put a clean signal out on a clear channel. We have a EE/RF engineer as one of DJ's and we have a cleaner signal than all the 50,000 watt religious stations and most of the clear channel stations in Denver. We are very good spectrum neighbors. Most pirates are. VERY few step on anyone else. There is no quicker way to get shut down (and it's just plain rude). We bring a mix of music and news/views that you can't get on McRadio today. We focus on local musicians and we give them a voice. We give local groups the opportunity to do shows around their causes. We create a VOICE for people that no one else will give them. The FCC is supposed to make the limited resources of FM Spectrum available in ways that are good for 'the people'. They don't. They sell it to the highest bidder. The average person will never even see a radio studio, let alone have the opportunity to broadcast from one. You're listening to a few programmers in New York and Houstons tastes linked to CD sales, MTV video's and shows in corporate radio controlled venues nationally. It's a big machine designed to squeeze as much money out of you as it can. It has nothing to do with ideas, new music or freedom of speech. It's like a limited resource (say, national parks) being sold off to Disney or Proctor and Gamble to 'take care of'. Imagine a national park under corporate care. Every few feet you'd have a sign in the tree's selling tampons and little speakers next to that babbling brook trying to get you to buy more Bud at that corporate 'relief station' a mile down the pristine trail. Think about it... you've been brainwashed and you don't even know it. Monk@kbfr.org www.kbfr.org

    53. Re:MicroBroadcasters by MonkKBFR · · Score: 1

      You can buy a professional transmitter for under $1000 now. These don't leak, they don't interfere and if you tune your antenna reasonably well (a simple formula using 3 sets of numbers and a calculator) you'll never cause interference. Equipment has gotten so cheap it's very easy to set up at a pro level (at very low power) that's equal to any Clear Channel station on the air today. Monk@kbfr.org www.kbfr.org

    54. Re:MicroBroadcasters by MonkKBFR · · Score: 1

      This would only be a problem is you where in the 'near field' of the transmitter. 100 watts will have a nearfield of around 100 feet or so. So you're right, if you're (literally) next door to the antenna. If not, you won't have a problem (again, if the transmitter is one you buy from the many manufacturers for under $5000 for 300 watts or as little as $1000 for 40 watts) Monk@kbfr.org www.kbfr.org

    55. Re:MicroBroadcasters by caseydk · · Score: 1


      Ah, but the history-written-by-the-winners omits the fact that a non-regulatory solution to this had already evolved by the 30's. Dealing with diputes like these, the courts hammered out a common-law-like homesteading principle. In essence, first person to use & "improve" (by building a transmitter on a hill, for example) a portion of spectrum could claim a property right over it. Subsequent people who transmit on top of an already claimed frequency could be sued for damages analogous to tresspass.

      So it was just a big game of King of the Hill?

      Doesn't this set up the very situation that nearly everyone around here is decrying (ie. the ownership of the spectrum by a small group of entities)?

    56. Re:MicroBroadcasters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just because there's a clear spot on the dial doesn't mean that's a good place to start transmitting. Think of each radio transmitter as circle on a map defining the region in which the station can be heard. Just because you are outside of the circle of a mega transmitter (and thus you apparently cannot hear the station with a radio at your location) doesn't mean that the region in which you transmit does not coincide with the region of the mega station if you were to transmit on the same station as the mega station.

    57. Re:MicroBroadcasters by Almost-Retired · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm not saying it should be wide open to anyone, it certainly needs some regulation. I'm saying the existing restrictions on frequency use have gone beyond just protecting the frequences and moved into the realm of monopoly-like power over a critical resource.

      In this I think I have to agree. After all, if these "microbroadcasters" want to be heard at the power levels they want to use, to cover lets say a square mile of college campus, they're not going to be running more than 2 or 3 watts, and they are going to do it on a frequency they've monitored for a while and found to be quiet. They know the quickest way to have an inspector and a federal marshal on their doorstep is to step on a local broadcaster with a multi-kilowatt signal.

      So they usually operate on what is an otherwise quiet frequency in the area they are in.

      I personally could care less if the top stations in any one 10 block area suddenly lose market share because the kid down the block is doing what he knows people really want to hear. Its the big fellows own damned fault for restricting their playlist to this weeks top 20 from Variety or some other music rag with a vested interest in promoting so-and-so this week.

      I wouldn't encourage them by buying time if they come around looking for business, unless my business was directly related to their chosen format.

      Yes, I've got an fcc ticket, dated from back when there was a real 1st Phone. IMO, they have expanded the legal part of their oversight way past what the comm act of 1934 ever had in mind.

      Heck, we've got a local 1KW AM'er with a night license for 50 watts. He doesn't get very far out of town on 50 watts at night, but his listeners are about as loyal as you could imagine for whats basicly a small town mom&pop operation, emphasis on the pop. He also sells enough commercial time to live comfortably, and buy the station the latest toys in a town of about 5000.

      He's 100% legal, but if another town that didn't have such an operation suddenly discovered they had local nightime radio, I'd be willing to bet that it would be months before the commission ever heard about it. Maybe even years. And that seems like on balance, its a Good Thing(tm) as long as they do it on an otherwise quiet freguency and with only enough power to cover the intended audience.

      Its called competition in that case.

      But if you're referring to the guy with a 2kw spread spectrum rig whose only satisfaction is that he has managed to screw up 802.11 for 50 miles around, then cuff and stuff him, and schedule the disposition of his case for sometime in 2038 or so, and no bail. There is an intent difference IMO that makes him the real outlaw.

      Cheers, Gene

    58. Re:MicroBroadcasters by Log+from+Blammo · · Score: 1

      The FCC exists on the premise that it owns the EM spectrum. If broadcasters had actual property rights for the frequency they used, they could defend themselves from jamming and interference on their own dime and their own time.

      As it is now, the FCC allocates huge chunks of the spectrum for government/military use, and mere slivers for commercial/civilian use. I would rather have more bandwidth available for wireless networking, cell phones, community radio, or any other constructive use than for nefarious killing-oriented purposes, but the FCC is a political entity, subject to the whims of the rulers. They aren't there to protect the spectrum, they are there to protect their revenue. And their revenue comes from big media and politicians, not small businesses and hobbyists.

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    59. Re:MicroBroadcasters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wrong by definition. The extent of the near-field is dependent on the frequency and on the antenna geometry (to a lesser degree).

      The distance where the stong and the weak transmitter will be equally strong is:

      P(strong)/(distance from strong transmitter)^2=P(weak)/(distance from weak transmitter)^2

      Put in transmitt powers. Solve for distance. Thats all there is to it. (Fading and shadowing not accounted for. etc. )

    60. Re:MicroBroadcasters by mrogers · · Score: 1
      Does packet radio offer an alternative to licensing frequencies? Here's my half-baked non-engineer's suggestion:

      Imagine a portion of the spectrum is set aside for packet radio. Anyone can broadcast, at any power level, provided they obey the proper collision-detection rules: if you detect a collision (ie if what you hear isn't what you sent), wait for a random period before retransmitting. The backoff period increases exponentially with each subsequent collision, like a LAN.

      Problem: if you have a less powerful transmitter than the person you're colliding with, it's possible that you can hear the collision but they can't, so you'll keep backing off and you won't get any air time. Solution: move to a less crowded frequency.

      Instead of being identified by their frequencies, radio stations are identified by their public keys. If you come across a station that you like, hit a button and your digital radio saves the station's public key. When you want to find that station again, start at the channel where you last heard it and hop through the channels in an order derived from the station's key, until you start picking up packets that match the key.

      The FCC can police the spectrum by deliberately causing collisions and checking that transmitters back off and change channels like they're supposed to. Anyone with a misbehaving transmitter is tracked down and punished, but everyone else can use the spectrum without a license.

    61. Re:MicroBroadcasters by Almost-Retired · · Score: 1

      Heck, FM and HAM combined use less then half the spectrum of AM. I know that lower frequencies don't carry as much information, but surely there is a better use for that low frequency space then AM radio

      Where did you go to school? Failed math, obviously... That spectrum chart we've all been looking at for 75 years is in logarythmic format, where 1-10 takes up as much space left-right as .1-1 does or 10-100 does. Go check it, I'll wait.

      The AM band as used here in the US is from 540khz, to 1790khz, or 1.25 megahertz wide. The FM band all by itself is 20 megahertz wide. Even if you throw in all the ham bands suitable for the various forms of amplitude modulation including SSB commonly used in voice transmissions, you won't come anywhere near matching the bandwidth available for standard FM broadcasting.

      As for FM, and teeny little college stations, I've heard them spreading out over a megahertz or more because they didn't either have the money to hire a decent engineer to come in, setup the audio path and compression levels, and superglue it all in place so the so-called PD can't turn it up and make it louder, or they're so broke they don't have any level controlling amps at all. The average 'PD' doesn't understand that they get to use 150khz of bandwidth just like the big boys, and thats all. Its gotta be better if its louder, and 300% distortion coming out of the listeners radio because his station is exceeding that bandwidth must surely be the listeners radios fault.

      Yeah, sure, excuse me while I go pin his coax.

      Cheers, Gene

    62. Re:MicroBroadcasters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, most of the modern microbroadcasters make extra-sure that they don't interfere with existing stations.

      Oh really? You know, it takes a lot more work than finding an empty gap on the radio dial to make sure a station will not interfere with another. It requires determining the radiuses of all nearby stations playing on the presumably free frequency and making sure your transmitter won't interfere with any other station. Somehow, I doubt these renegade "free speech" airwave pirates make that much effort, because it requires research and radio wave transmision studies. That costs money these people don't have. That's why there are strict FCC licensing requirements-- to make sure stations don't stomp on other stations. Yes, it sucks that you can't put up your own broadcast station for cheap, but there is a reason for it.

    63. Re:MicroBroadcasters by pluvia · · Score: 1

      GGP: Why can't WE THE PEOPLE, by whose authority public resources are SUPPOSED to be available fairly (if not equally), use broadcast media for our own purposes?

      GP: Because there are not enough of those resources for everyone to use them at the same time, even in Des Moines, IA.

      P: Well, then, it's sure a good thing that rich companies get the vast majority of what's out there.


      The problem is confusion over who "The People" are. "We the people, in order to form a more perfect Union, establish justice, ...". Our government officials believe they represent "The People", so in a sense, they are "The People". Hence, the government IS "The People". Hence, like it or not, "The People" decided to auction off bandwidth rather than another allocation scheme.

      Furthermore, when bandwidth is auctioned off, the money goes to the government (i.e. "The People"). The fact that that money essentially disappears into a vague blackhole of government programs is what causes people to believe that the "rich companies" are getting away with something... perhaps along with the fact that the bandwidth might be worth more than it is sold for, but value is debatable.

      Theoretically, if all bandwidth was not sold but maintained for local use, the money lost from the auctions would have to be made up for in taxes.

      That said, I agree that more bandwidth should be allocated for local use... particularly in cases where bandwidth goes unsold for a reasonable price.

      btw: is it the FCC who allocates all bandwidth, or does each state or community get to allocate some bandwidth?

    64. Re:MicroBroadcasters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      kb3hcg,
      really poor idea to have your call sign in your sig...

      even gota picture

    65. Re:MicroBroadcasters by TheMysteriousFuture · · Score: 1

      I see on QRZ that your address is wrong.
      It's really easy to submit a "change of address" (which would really be a correction for you...)

      You need to register in the CORES/ULS system if you have not already. Go to http://wireless.fcc.gov/uls/ then click on "register CORES/CallSign".

      Here's an FCC help page on FRN/ULS and registering with CORES. http://wireless.fcc.gov/uls/about/gettingstarted1. html

      Your callsign appears to already be assigned a FRN number. Go to your QRZ page and click detailed info, then click "FCC: ULS Listing". Your FRN appears on the ULS page.

      Let me know if you have any problems :)
      -Tech Class Ham since 1999 I think...haven't used it in ages but I've moved around a lot.

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    66. Re:MicroBroadcasters by pluvia · · Score: 1

      Actually, under the US Constitution, people don't have that right.

      The US Constitution protects rights, it does not give rights. Arguably, it could be associated with land property, but you're correct that ultimately, the fact that it is not explicitly mentioned leaves it to "The People" -- i.e. our representatives.

      But anyway, the equal protection clause would prevent regulations that allowed Des Moines residents to run unlicensed radio stations while preventing New York City residents from doing the same.

      IANAL, but I don't think "equal protection" covers geographical area... especially in this case since distance and landscape affects signal propagation.

      I've read laws that apply only to very specific geographical areas along with other "independent" characteristics, essentially in order to make the law apply to a particular person or group. Theoretically, anyone can have or attain those characteristics, hence it does not fall under "equal protection". Of course, there are other laws which prohibit discrimination based upon other criteria, but again, I don't think "geographical area" is one of those criteria.

      Perhaps it can even be argued that microbroadcasting isn't even a federal issue, but rather a state issue. IIRC, Feds are only supposed to get involved in interstate issues (EU be warned).

      Because there are not enough of those resources for everyone to use them at the same time, even in Des Moines, IA.

      I'm not sure of the veracity of that statement, at least in a practical sense, but the point is that unsold bandwidth could certainly be used by locals and that perhaps even a bigger chunk should be reserved for locals to use or allocate.

    67. Re:MicroBroadcasters by Pseudonym · · Score: 1
      When I do "pirate" broadcasts [...]

      Don't call it "pirate" unless you believe that unauthorised use of the radio spectrum is ethically equivalent to attacking ships on the high seas, kidnaping and murdering the people on them.

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    68. Re:MicroBroadcasters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Umm, I run a patriot radio station (sounds much better than pirate eh? :)

      My transmitter does not leak. I think the term you are searching for is splatter. Most people who build these things know what they are doing (or at least the kit designer did) and you will not interfear with your spectrum neighbors.

      Clear Channel can afford multi killowatt transmitters, and even if you plop your nasty nasty 10 watt pirate signal on top of them, splatter and all, with all malice intended, the only one that will care is your next door neighbor, and only if he LIKES top 40, and is too damn lazy to change the channel.

      Seems like alot of work to me. Go to a public library and pickup books on ham radio, then read them

    69. Re:MicroBroadcasters by dasmegabyte · · Score: 1

      Wow that was a mess. But I think I got the gist of it. You're trying to say that, on the AM dial with its coverage radius of hundreds of miles, there's more of a chance that somebody's favorite station is already occupying the same band as my transmitter. And that if you were to draw the Vingt diagram of the radius of my transmission vs somebody else's, there may be a large intersection in which people wouldn't be able to get one station without interference from the other.

      Of course, since the problem was how to get an mp3 player to transmit to a car antenna, I wouldn't be too worried about it.

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    70. Re:MicroBroadcasters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The original pirate radio stations where literally pirates. Not that they attacked other ships or anything but none-the-less they met the definition of Pirate used by the British Admilarity -- ships performing some illegal act in international waters.

      These pirate radio stations deliberatly placed themselves just outside of British waters and broadcast their shows to the British public. Many of the DJs doing this eventually became household names and moved to the mainstream, which by that time had begun to match the sort of output put out by the pirates. A brilliant example of civil disobedience in fact.

    71. Re:MicroBroadcasters by homunculi · · Score: 1

      Who are these people that are "getting their kicks" broadcasting over another station? How much fun would that be? Oh I am going to make some noise over another frequency so that I get hassled by the FCC. . . I have lived in some of the largest broadcast markets in this country and have never been bothered by "Vandals" of this sort. I do know, however, that when radio was first discussed by this country's government, it was decided that the airwaves were a public trust. We the people own them. They have, however, been co-opted by big business and now it is impossible to hear good music or even non-corporate bad music in a city as large as New York. Sure there are a few stations like WFMU (http://www.wfmu.org/) or WBAI (http://www.wbai.org/) that are struggling to remain independant but it is getting harder and harder for them. Besides, with the de-regulation of the media we have fewer and fewer companies controling the whole shebang which also limits access for a huge population to news that is not corporately owned (Please don't tell me that NPR is not corporate because it is. it just has a left bias). I think that you don't need to throw out the baby with the bathwater to make it illegal to jam cell phones or WiFi. Anyway. . .

    72. Re:MicroBroadcasters by The+Conductor · · Score: 1

      Well, there is, in fact, scarcity of spectrum, so sooner or later someone who wants some isn't going to get it. The difference is how to decide who gets it. Maybe most of these "pirate" radio stations could be on the air if they can, though donations, sponsorship, or t-shirt sales, scrape together a few $thousands a year in spectrum rent. Maybe they would be crowded out by higher bids from commercial stations offering, oh say, all-traffic, all-weather, all-sports, all Linux, & (hey this is my example I can make up what I want) all Amiga rumors. Without functioning markets in broadcast spectrum, we will never know.

      If some wanna-be broadcaster can't get together enough money for spectrum rent, at least we now have a moral case for allocating the spectrum to someone else. Someone else paid more for it, so it must be creating better value for somebody. Not a bullet-proof moral case (Ms. Rand notwithstanding), but it is better than saying, "Some bureaucrat decided it is not in the public interest."

      I suspect that frequency markets would shape up similarly to real estate markets, where we have high-rent areas (High Street shops), low-rent areas (penny-saver strip malls), and niche areas (the Akihabara district in Tokyo). Some areas have consolidated ownership (malls & strip malls) while others are finely subdivided (urban sidewalk shopping areas). And non-commercial activity can be found scattered from place to place (churches, libraries).

    73. Re:MicroBroadcasters by homunculi · · Score: 1

      Well we could re-apropriate the word Pirate. In the 17th century when Pirates were raiding ships on the high seas who were they raiding? The equivalent of large corporations, ie. Ships owned by large Nation-States or by companies with charters by same such as East India co. So pirate ships, which were often organized around democratic principles and populated by liberated slaves and indentured servants is maybe an analogy that would be apropriate for people who are exercising their democratic right to free speech.

    74. Re:MicroBroadcasters by mpost4 · · Score: 1

      I tried, I don't care to admit, I even tried the pay one though qrz, I alwas get the same misspelled name and transposed adress.

      But I try again. It will not work but I will try

    75. Re:MicroBroadcasters by oregonnerd · · Score: 1

      The key assumption here is that the usage of low power stations is intrinsically damaging. The key question in the article might as well be, 'Is free speech damaging to the U.S.?'--and the current administration and infrastructure would obviously answer--'Yes.'

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  2. Are these Pirates or Patriots? by Gr33nNight · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Are these Pirates or Patriots?

    Can they be both?

    1. Re:Are these Pirates or Patriots? by SteveM · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Or Neither?

    2. Re:Are these Pirates or Patriots? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      well he said Are these Pirates or Patriots not Are these Pirates xor Patriots so I guess yes they can be both.

    3. Re:Are these Pirates or Patriots? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are these Pirates or Patriots?

      Can they be both?


      You're thinking of a Pietriot.

    4. Re:Are these Pirates or Patriots? by Kjuib · · Score: 0

      If they were both: they would make them Patriot Pirate People - PPP, so we just call them Protocols

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    5. Re:Are these Pirates or Patriots? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey! That was actually funny!

    6. Re:Are these Pirates or Patriots? by HyperCash · · Score: 1

      "Are these Pirates or Patriots?"

      With our current government? 10 to 1 they get labeled terrorists. You know, destroying our communications ifrastructor and all.

      --HC

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    7. Re:Are these Pirates or Patriots? by hobbsbutcher · · Score: 1

      "You should know that revolution is always legal in the first person, such as 'our revolution'. It is only in the third person - 'their revolution' - that it is illegal."
      -1776

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  3. Everyone wins...mostly by erick99 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Not only is this is a good idea in terms of some diversity over the radio waves, but it might get kids interested in electronics again like ham radio and a few other hobbies used to do:

    "...offer how-tos for building transmitters and antennas..."

    I also like what it can do for neighborhoods where it might enhance a sense of community which is sorely lacking these days. Either way, I think everyone wins and that doesn't happen very often (well, the NAB doesn't think that they win but anything that promotes radio eventually helps the NAB).

    Happy Trails!

    Erick

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    1. Re:Everyone wins...mostly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you want to get kids interested in electronics and radio, promote a revitalization of the ham bands, rather than encouraging illegal broadcasting on licensed spectrum.

    2. Re:Everyone wins...mostly by croddy · · Score: 1

      We can start by dropping the morse code proficiency requirement.

    3. Re:Everyone wins...mostly by Lehk228 · · Score: 2, Informative

      The reason Morse code proficiency is required is HAM's are meant to be an ad-hoc communications network in the event the proverbial shit hits the fan, and after the thermonuclear EMP has fried all your microchips and shit, you need a way to communicate, and morse Code over radio is able to function without fancy electronics,

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    4. Re:Everyone wins...mostly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Technicians class license has no morse code requirement. Been there, done that.

    5. Re:Everyone wins...mostly by mtnharo · · Score: 1

      Unless things have changed, there is the Technician class license. It does not require Morse Code, though it does not allow use of as many bands as the licenses which do require Morse Code proficiency. It is a good way to get started with Amateur Radio though. I had planned to get one myself, but school and such got in the way.

    6. Re:Everyone wins...mostly by aminorex · · Score: 1

      The more HAMs there are, the more likely there will
      be HAMs after the nuclear war. Reducing the number
      of HAMs by imposing absurd hoops to jump through
      will not further this goal. The number of people
      competent to build radio gear from crap will increase
      as the number of radio hobbyists increases.

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    7. Re:Everyone wins...mostly by Lehk228 · · Score: 1

      How is learning Morse Code an absurd hoop to jump through? It was the standard for communication for a long time, Unless you know a bwetter means to communicate with simple eqipment, a flashlight or laser pointer will let you signal for distress or send a warning much farther than yelling, while being easier to do when injured.I plan on learning it this summer to get a HAM license.

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  4. To poor for camp by ifreakshow · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I can't afford camp so I'm just going to rent this instead.

    1. Re:To poor for camp by Paulrothrock · · Score: 1

      Once again please, for those of us with IT departments that treat us like children? (DAMN WEBSENSE!)

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  5. Top 40 by All+Names+Have+Been · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No one would tune into Top-40 radio.

    Aaahhh .. yeah. Never underestimate the banality of the common man. Even in areas where there is substantial choice, Top-40 pulls 'em in. Like it or not, it's there because it makes money.

    1. Re:Top 40 by isorox · · Score: 0, Troll

      It makes money because people listen to it, people liten to it because they like it, like it or not, the average "slashdotter" music is the same as the average "rebel student magazine music ed" music - total crap.

    2. Re:Top 40 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      aw, c'mon... don't you know that once we fire up this "Internet" it will be wonderful because anybody will be able to have their own "website" that they can fill with their own content for all of us to see.

      It will be great. I also envision these "websites" having a feature that allows people to write down their fascinating thoughts on everyday life. These daily logs on the "websites" ( I coined the term "weblog", but it might be too wordy) will be a fascinating addition to the body of human literature.

      Maybe some day we can do the same thing with radio stations.

      It will be great.

    3. Re:Top 40 by squiggleslash · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not to mention the fact that a majority of people who listen to the radio do so when they're driving, in my experience. I don't think Microbroadcasting's going to really work (unless you like retuning your dial every 20-30 seconds.)

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    4. Re:Top 40 by be951 · · Score: 1
      Even in areas where there is substantial choice, Top-40 pulls 'em in.

      Hmmmm. I wonder if that is because they focus on a certain group of songs? Like maybe the 40 most popular (not to be confused the most meaningful, critically acclaimed, or technically exceptional, mind you) for a given week? Seems like this should be a no-brainer...

    5. Re:Top 40 by Lost+Engineer · · Score: 1

      I don't particularly like Top40, though I can deal with alternative top 40 which I'll admit is just as bad, but, seriously, I have to listen to something on the way to work and it beats hip hop.

    6. Re:Top 40 by pipingguy · · Score: 1

      Never underestimate the banality of the common man. Even in areas where there is substantial choice, Top-40 pulls 'em in.

      Just like mommy used to always say, "there's safety in crowds".

  6. Arrrrr! I'm a pirate! by Visaris · · Score: 0, Redundant

    I helped set up a pirate radio station once. Well, I painted it camo so the FCC wouldn't find it... They found it anyways. That's why we moved it into a van. After that, they left us alone :)

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  7. Pirates or Patriots? How about idiots? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Imagine this: A thousand little stations send radio programming across cities and towns from senior centers, dorm rooms and attics. The understaffed FCC would be powerless to shut them down. Audiences would have substantive content choices. No one would tune into Top-40 radio.... Are these Pirates or Patriots?

    Try "idiots". There's only so much radio band out there. If there were 1000 little stations then result would not be 1000 choices of content, it would be ZERO choices of content, because there'd be so much mishmash and overlap that nobody'd be able to tune in shit without interference.

    If you want to kill off FM Radio, this'd be a good way to do it. But it wouldn't be a good way to help out the people who just want to hear tunes. Want to broadcast your selection of tunes? Go get a license like everybody else.

    1. Re:Pirates or Patriots? How about idiots? by ziggy_zero · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that's exactly the word that came into my mind when I first read it.

      If you want to start your own radio station, do it on the internet.

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    2. Re:Pirates or Patriots? How about idiots? by forand · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree with most of what you said but you seem to have missed a rather large point to all this: the FCC charges 100,000 for a liecense, so "everybody else" cannot afford to broadcast. I think we need regulation of the radio waves mainly for the purposes of science, I have had to deal with annoying people who transmit where they shouldn't be while I was trying to do science in the same bandwidth. But I don't see why this means we need to have 50 clearchannel stations and none or very few from average Joe's. Surf around the FM and AM bandwidth in your area and you will find that there are a lot of bands not being used, why not give those to nonprofs? schools?

    3. Re:Pirates or Patriots? How about idiots? by Obfuscant · · Score: 1
      Bingo.

      In addition, the claim that there would be so much more "substantive content" is patently silly. It takes a lot of work to create substantive content. It takes a lot more than just looping your entire mp3 collection. It takes people and time and money.

      Of course, if you are just retransmitting something someone else has produced, it is a lot simpler, but then, you're just retransmitting someone else's work.

      As for this killing top-40 ... har. The only reason it would kill top-40 is if someone is deliberately interfering with the top-40 station to the point that people cannot listen. And the FCC assumes that interference from illegal stations is deliberate, because it is. Forcing the legal licensee to complain about interference is a certain way to get the FCC's interest, along with a lot of staff lawyers for the corporation owning the top-40 station.

    4. Re:Pirates or Patriots? How about idiots? by akb · · Score: 4, Informative

      The FCC proposed doing just what you have said is impossible, that is, licensing thousands of low power FM stations. However, the broadcast industry purchased a vote in Congress to override the FCC's technical findings. They cut the number of stations from thousands to a few hundred by requiring overly strict and told the FCC to study it a second time. The FCC study came back recently with the same results as the first one, thousands of stations can be licensed w/o causing interference.

      Watch for a new bill from John McCain to allow thousands of low power FM stations to be licensed. Maybe if you become more informed about the issue you will ask your Congress critters to support this legislation since your interference concerns have been allayed. If you want more info take a look at the Free Press LPFM page

    5. Re:Pirates or Patriots? How about idiots? by Otto · · Score: 1

      But I don't see why this means we need to have 50 clearchannel stations and none or very few from average Joe's.

      The most stations I'm aware of, in one location, that ClearChannel owns is 12. That one I've seen personally, as they simply bought all the radio stations in the area and moved them all into the same broadcast building. The content of them all didn't really change, just the advertising schemes.

      But I doubt anywhere at all has "50" channels owned by the same people (be it ClearChannel or anybody else), as there's only 100 tunable FM channels on your radio. Count 'em up.

      As for Low Power licensing, I'm all for it. But I agree with the original AC poster who said that these guys are idiots, as simply having thousands of unlicensed ppl broadcasting simply won't work. If you want to get the FCC to offer cheap, low-power, licenses and regulate the max power and locations and such, then more power to you. But simply training people on how to build their own broadcasting devices and antennas and then turning them loose without instilling any kind of "good neighbor" attitude towards the airwaves is just a receipe for disaster.

      It's everybody's sandbox, and everybody has to play nice in it, or it becomes a big giant mudhole.

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    6. Re:Pirates or Patriots? How about idiots? by Wylfing · · Score: 1
      If there were 1000 little stations then result would not be 1000 choices of content, it would be ZERO choices of content

      I don't think that would be the case. People broadcasting want to be heard. They'd work it out so that their little slices don't overlap. It's like thousands of pedestrians downtown. You don't say "Oh no! We mustn't have pedestrians because they will all try to use the same bit of sidewalk!" We don't need a pedestrian traffic manager, and we don't need the FCC.

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    7. Re:Pirates or Patriots? How about idiots? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
      If there were 1000 little stations then result would not be 1000 choices of content, it would be ZERO choices of content, because there'd be so much mishmash and overlap that nobody'd be able to tune in shit without interference

      Not true. If there are two transmitters on the same frequency using FM then you will only pick up one of them. It's called the capture effect. You may not get the station you want but there would be lots of stations to choose from. AM works the way you think, FM doesn't.
    8. Re:Pirates or Patriots? How about idiots? by EvanED · · Score: 1

      Really? Than how 'come we need air traffic controllers? Or stop signs? Or street lights?

      Care to explain why the analogy between radio frequencies and walking is the correct one, and radio and driving, or radio and flying are the incorrect ones?

    9. Re:Pirates or Patriots? How about idiots? by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 1

      I don't think the microbroadcasters would really kill the big ones. When transmitting less than ten watts, you have no chance against the "big ones" transmitting at tens of kilowatts unless you are at the fringe of reception.

      Smart pirate broadcasters would test their frequency availability so they don't stomp on others, and at least you have a much greater range of non-overlapping frequencies, unlike wireless networking.

    10. Re:Pirates or Patriots? How about idiots? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey idiot, the "micro" part of microbroadcasting means "micro wattage", which equals "very short range". You can easily have "a thousand little stations send radio programming across cities and towns" without them stepping on each other or the major broadcasters. In case that's difficult for an idiot like you to understand, in an area the size of Los Angeles County we could have 1000 micro stations on one frequency with almost zero overlap between themselves and tucked safely out of the spectrum of your precious top 40 radio and Rush Limbaugh broadcasts.

      By the way, some of us are interested in more than pushing our favorite hits from the eighties on our fellow citizens. If you had actually done any research on the subject you'd find that many microbroadcasters are far more interested in getting their political or informational messages out, practicing something pretty important that we like to call "freedom of speech". Did you get that or do I need to repeat it slowly? "F-r-e-e-d-o-m--o-f--s-p-e-e-c-h"

    11. Re:Pirates or Patriots? How about idiots? by djplurvert · · Score: 1

      Come on moderators, THIS is the informative post, it needs to be +5 so it sits right below the INCORRECT parent post.

    12. Re:Pirates or Patriots? How about idiots? by Selecter · · Score: 1
      AKB, your post is the first post I've read so far of any substance that actually contains useful information so that persons not knowledgeable about radio could form a useful perspective.

      I have no mod points at the moment or you would be +1, informative.

      This entire thread is so full of poeple using incorrect terminlogy to support their opinions that it really shows how much opinion on /. is simply uninformed. Normally, I dont know or dont know enough about the subject to know, but on radio, I'm a First Phone as well as a Advanced Class ham for >20yrs. Built my own legal limit transmitter from scratch, not plans, not from QST, but from scratch. My own reciever, too. Radio I know about, a LOT about.

      And 90% of the postings up to this point in time are just DRIVEL.

      It makes me wonder about the rest of the postings here and if they too, are as uninformed about the subject matter at hand. I'm honestly not trying to flamebait, but I gotta say it - unless you know somethng about the subject matter, dont post.

    13. Re:Pirates or Patriots? How about idiots? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A pedestrian colliding with another pedestrian; maybe a bruise, they apologize, they go their seperate way.

      An airplane collides with another airplane, and you've got 100 new graves.

      Can you guess which one is the better metaphor for microbroadcasting bands overlapping?

  8. No one would tune into Top-40 radio? by Neil+Blender · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Bullshit. That's like saying if you broadcast pirate TV shows, noone would watch Survivor or American Idol.

    1. Re:No one would tune into Top-40 radio? by geekoid · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's typical niave thinking that says if I don't like something, nobody likes it.
      A lot of people like top 40s. Top 40 was around before radio stations where owned by clear channel.

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    2. Re:No one would tune into Top-40 radio? by WormholeFiend · · Score: 2, Interesting

      well, given that illegal movie downloads have tripled over the past year according to this BBC article
      news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/3692999 .stm

      i wouldnt be surprised if some people start broadcasting pirated movies any time soon...

      just imagine the backlash that this would cause!

    3. Re:No one would tune into Top-40 radio? by Country_hacker · · Score: 1

      Umm, can I call 'Duh'? The only reason a particular song is in the "Top-40" is because most people like it more than other songs. That's the whole concept behind the top 40. Now, I admit there's a whole lot of music out there that doesn't get the appreciation it deserves because they're not affiliated with the RIAA, but that doesn't change the fact that out of the music being widely distributed, the "Top 40" is the 40 most popular songs.

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    4. Re:No one would tune into Top-40 radio? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Umm, can I call 'Duh'?

      In not so many words, both parent and grandparent made the point.

    5. Re:No one would tune into Top-40 radio? by tunabomber · · Score: 1

      Bullshit. That's like saying if you broadcast pirate TV shows, noone would watch Survivor or American Idol.

      Well, if you pirate Survivor and American Idol and then re-broadcast them immediately afterwards, minus the commercials, maybe people will watch your crappy little television station, assuming they get decent reception. Of course, by doing this you'll be making yourself an even bigger target for the FCC.

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  9. chaos... by AmigaAvenger · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Ahh, the ignorance of the OSS type mind!

    Everyone is free to do what they want, including broadcasting over someone on a popular frequency if you don't agree with their message. Should your local little broadcast station become too popular, one of your competitors mearly has to jam your signal out of existance. nothing you can do, no reprecussions, you just have to sit and take it.

    1. Re:chaos... by Kenja · · Score: 1

      and remember kids, large RIAA backed groups can afford biger broadcast gear then you can.

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    2. Re:chaos... by lonesome+phreak · · Score: 1

      In OKC a few months back Clearchannel put up some media server online, then piped a local pirate station onto it. They then contacted the FCC in Dallas, forcing them to take action. I went in to the local Clearchannel office under the guise of wanting advertisising, and they where pretty mum but admitted the incident did happen.

      I ran one from here for a bit, and I'm in the process of upgrading my equipment. It ties into the local club scene as well, gathering community support. I have been trying to get permission from most of the bands I play. It's mostly EBM, IDM, etc...so I'm not even playing songs the RIAA give a shit about.

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    3. Re:chaos... by CryBaby · · Score: 1
      Ahh, the ignorance of the OSS type mind!
      Nice way to start a comment - a ridiculous stereotype labelling the entire OSS community as ignorant. Not that you deserve a response after that but...

      If you would bother to actually read the posts here you would find that, except for a few fringe opinions, most of us are advocating a reasonable approach to broadcast licensing under the current FCC. Specifically, a system which takes into account the rights of individual citizens (who, by the way, legally own the radio spectrum in the first place) alongside the needs of commercial broadcasting. In other words, we don't want to abolish regulation, we want to be protected by it.

      If, at the risk of upsetting your black-and-white stereotypical views, you actually researched the subject you would find that the FCC itself advocates the granting of thousands of LPFM licenses but has been overruled by corporate media lobbyists in congress. Search the posts to find supporting references - I wouldn't want to deprive you of the sorely needed mental exercise you will gain by reading some of the more detailed posts on this subject.
    4. Re:chaos... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well that's just the way it is. Your local friendly ClearChannel station has ten of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of watts of power. There's no way a one-person station could operate at that power.

      So how could one "broadcast[] over someone on a popular frequency"? You wouldn't get very far, and even if you did, most likely the receiving end would hear a bunch of static from the clashing signals. Broadcasting on the same channel is no way to get your message across; most people find an open channel to do their thing.

      "Jamming" the signal? Let's see - scenario 1, you're broadcasting on their frequency. How in the world do they jam your signal then, without hurting theirs? Scenario 2 - you're on another frequency. What gives them the right to forcibly jam your signal, spewing noise into the airwaves? I would say that's a gross breach of FCC rules, IMO.

      Pirate radio much more hopeless than OSS. There's no regulatory agency telling you how many versions of Super Office Suite or Media Player Ultimate that can coexist at once.

  10. Pirates? by pete-classic · · Score: 0, Redundant

    I don't know if we are patriots or pirates, but I do know that I'm putting mine in a van and getting Chrisian Slater to man it.

    -Peter

  11. gut reaction by moviepig.com · · Score: 4, Funny

    This sort of underground culture is such a good thing that, if the repressive laws causing it didn't already exist, we should enact them.

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  12. imagine... by neiffer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    adding the internet to this mix...streaming a station to 100 people who then broadcast it to a combined millions...someone could broadcast to a substantial audience from their basement

    1. Re:imagine... by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 1

      Sort of like Slashdot and Wired. Wired publishes a story, and a few days later, it shows up here.

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  13. Its like speak blogging by AMG · · Score: 1

    Should be nice to be there and to rate the stations, even its posible to sindicate programs shared by mp3 or ogg files.

    Could you imagine 200 radio stations repeating useful information about anything?

    "The Mediun is the message" Marshall McLuhan

  14. Dave Berkman at wpr talks about "pirate" radio... by mobiux · · Score: 1

    Check this one out.
    It was pretty good and actually had some input from people who do this.

    I know it's in real player, but ya gotta take what they give ya.
    Pirate radio show.

  15. Yes. by bbockholt · · Score: 1

    Last first, pirates, rebels, patriots are just views of the same person from different directions. First last, chaos is more robust than order. You cannot easily knock out 1,000 little transmitters, but one big one is easily disabled. Also ran, the information payload for chaos is either infinite (as in the number of monkeys typing) or zero (as in the sense of what they have typed).

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  16. Better Try a Lower Wattage Bulb by VonGuard · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So, Congress is supposedly still investigating whether a low power, 100 watt station, will interfere with a 10,000 watt big boy broadcaster. This is why the FCC pulled out about 75% of the possible frequencies and number of low-power stations per district.

    Anyone want to place money on the outcome of that congressional research? I lay odds at 1 to 1 that the report will state that little broadcasters are ruining the signals of the big guys.

    Congress is such a wonderful scientifically responsible and honest body.

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    1. Re:Better Try a Lower Wattage Bulb by pe1rxq · · Score: 1

      The 100 Watt station will indeed interfere.
      The difference is only a factor 100 and as such any place were the distance to the small station is ten times as small as the distance to the large station the small station will appear to be stronger.
      Even if it is more than ten there will be a substantional area were it will be in the same power range as the larger one.

      Jeroen

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    2. Re:Better Try a Lower Wattage Bulb by Rigor+Morty · · Score: 1

      In an odd turn of events, locally (Athens, Ohio) recently got a few of the new low-power FM liscenses. We have a very rough terrain in our region, and the radio we can get consisted of A. Country, and B. Pop music pond scum. Weak-FM (very appropriately named) has about a ten-mile coverage, and plays nothing but oldies, and the occasional public service announcement. It's SO much better than ClearChannel, it's not funny. And I'm almost certain it's a couple of guys screwing around with Winamp.

      How bad are things that two guys with an MP3 player can out-perform a national chain?

      I'd put in a link, but there's no web page yet.

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  17. FCC would shut them down by spotteddog · · Score: 1

    Why? Money. The FCC can impose a $10,000 fine per incident. If you were caught broadcasting for several days - say a week that's $70K. You can pay several FCC salaries with that kind of cash. If thousands were doing it, it would only take a little time for the FCC to ramp up staffing to collect that kind of cash.

    The licensed broadcasters would most likely kick in some $$ too. (At least they would lobby the political side to protect them.)

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  18. (BPL) the thorn in the toe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Broadband over Power Lines, lets destroy the spectrum!

  19. Substantive content choices? by Artifakt · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Most 'pirate' radio has tended to broadcast either 'college' rock/alternative or political speech from one of the two classical extreems (socialist left or faschist right). Substantive content choices will have to mean more than "Not Brittany". It will need to include educqtional programming, targeted at the specific neighborhood, or musical programming preserving vanishing jazz or blues artists, or op-ed that's more substantive (there's that pesky wood again) than the soundbite of the moment approack.

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    1. Re:Substantive content choices? by infofreako · · Score: 1

      Nothing is more frustrating than tuning in to a pirate or even LPFM broadcast and hearing the same PAP which a Clear Channel broadcasts! If you're going to the trouble of building your own transmitter and risking personal freedoms in order to broadcast - MAKE IT WORTH WHILE. Not only for you, but for your listeners as well.

      -pjc

    2. Re:Substantive content choices? by Unkle · · Score: 1
      Unfortunately, though, having a true choice on content WILL include the Brittany Spears's and boy bands that this crowd loves to bash. Though it seems nobody here would ever believe it, some people actually, honestly, truely LIKE this kind of music.

      Free speech (and free choice, as well) has the nasty side effect of exposing people to stuff they don't want to hear.

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    3. Re:Substantive content choices? by jdavidb · · Score: 1

      I find your lack of inclusiveness distressing. In the future, when referring to the classical extremes, please remember to include my extreme, libertarianism, sometimes known as "classical liberalism." Remember, not all extremists come from the left and the right, and those of us who do not don't appreciate being left out.

      Thank you. :)

    4. Re:Substantive content choices? by Artifakt · · Score: 1

      If it makes you feel better, I'll gladly call Libertarians extremists. I don't want to include them with the faschist right and communist left types that tend to dominate alternative media though, but to put them in the category I'd like to see more people have a chance to hear from. Actually, they're just the type that needs to be represented, along with anarcho-syndicalsts, the Green Party, Technocrats, old fashioned Fabian socialists and Wobblies and other factions. Let people know that there are more than one or two alternatives, and maybe they will start thinking.

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  20. Anyone seen... by over_exposed · · Score: 1

    Pump Up the Volume with Christian Slater and Samantha Mathis? Same thing, except the movie shows a little more T&A than this camp probably does...

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    1. Re:Anyone seen... by NineteenSixtyNine · · Score: 1

      After summer camp experiences as a youth, which I will not go in to, I don't ever want to go to summer camp again.

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  21. Pirates or Patriots by ArmenTanzarian · · Score: 1

    A thousand little stations send radio programming across cities and towns from senior centers

    Yeesh... I mean, old people and I both love Sinatra, but yeesh... that's a powder keg of boredom and crazy ranting waiting to go off...

  22. I find this hard to believe by caffeineboy · · Score: 4, Informative

    "The Underground" was a radio station broadcast from the top of one of the dorms at OSU. They tried without success to get a license to broadcast, including a low power license, for years... Finally, they just started broadcasting at a couple of watts from the dorm with no license.

    To put it in perspective, I lived about 300M away from their broadcast site and I couldn't get any reception.

    Anyway, the FCC came in and turned their power down to the legal limit. You can't get their station from 4 floors below their antenna anymore.

    "there are too many, they can't get us all" is not a valid way to go about changing things, especially when the penalties are harsh like the penalties for FCC violations.

    Plus, who wants the local idiot to set up a station and swamp out a station you actually like? I'm not saying that I like anything that is being broadcast, and I wish like hell I could get the underground on my radio, but it just isn't going to happen until we start reforming media ownership laws...

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    1. Re:I find this hard to believe by ed__ · · Score: 1

      """there are too many, they can't get us all" is not a valid way to go about changing things, especially when the penalties are harsh like the penalties for FCC violations.""

      1. actually it kind of is. it's one of the reasons civil disobedience can work.

      2. ohhh harsh FCC penalties...it's a good thing the FCC wasn't in charge of the Tiananmen crackdown. it would have been so much worse.

    2. Re:I find this hard to believe by Johnny+Doughnuts · · Score: 1
      Anyway, the FCC came in and turned their power down to the legal limit. You can't get their station from 4 floors below their antenna anymore.
      Why not just put rebroadcasters at every two floors? The FCC couldn't do jack because they were only broadcasting at whatever the legal limit was.
    3. Re:I find this hard to believe by kmweber · · Score: 1

      until we start reforming media ownership laws...

      This is an incorrect idea. Government has no place regulating who may own what or how much of it he may own.

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    4. Re:I find this hard to believe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It works fine in WA. Somebody rebroadcast micro programming form Santa Clara, it is no where near entrenched stations. It broadcast coverage of news events from the street level out of Miami that never made the national or locals. I learned that I am missing alot. It is a good thing and there should be more.

    5. Re:I find this hard to believe by Nurgled · · Score: 1

      I don't know much about radio broadcasting, so this is just a general background question.

      It would appear from what you and others have said that there is a legally-acceptable power level at which people are allowed to transmit without a licence.

      With some cooperation, would it be acceptable and feasible for several people to broadcast the same signal to increase the broadcast area? The source signal could perhaps be streamed over a LAN (in the case of a college), for example.

      I guess this is really two questions. Firstly, is what I'm proposing physically possible/sensible, and secondly, would it be legal?

    6. Re:I find this hard to believe by caffeineboy · · Score: 1

      Well, the limit would appear to be exceptionally low. I mean "mr Microphone" low. As I said, they still broadcast at the legal limit and you can't get the station from the ground right next to the building they broadcast from.

      The station IS available over the campus cable system, but that is limited to those actually within the campus infrastructure. I don't have a 'UNITS' cable line coming to my house.

      I haven't checked if they have anything streaming available, since I mostly listen to the radio in my car.

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  23. Ignorant snobs by Genevish · · Score: 4, Insightful
    No one would tune into Top-40 radio.
    This always annoys me. Why do you think it's top 40? Most people like that form of music. Just because YOU don't doesn't mean everyone is clamoring for other music, otherwise the "indie" labels would be much more successful.
    1. Re:Ignorant snobs by teamhasnoi · · Score: 1
      Most people like that kind of music because that is ALL THEY HEAR. People turn on the radio, go to the movies, change channels on the TV and that is ALL THERE IS.

      Yes, not everyone 'clamors' for 'other' music, but these people don't know that there IS OTHER MUSIC.

      Never underestimate the laziness and apathy of Americans, because MOST ALL OF THEM ARE.

      You'll see that the RIAA is making use of the fact that people will consume WHATEVER IS IN FRONT OF THEM, a fact that MS uses in including IE with every copy of Windows.

      How many people even know that THERE ARE ALTERNATIVES?

      I hope that this post has been as annoying as a CLEAR CHANNEL BROADCAST, and INVERSELY INFORMATIVE.

    2. Re:Ignorant snobs by causality · · Score: 1

      Why is it top-40? It's the same phenomenon you see with Microsoft really. Microsoft is a marketing company first, and a software company second. A distant second at that. Same with assembly-line, cookie-cutter music like you get with most of the content of top-40. As long as listeners are more impressed with shiny flashy "YOU MUST HEAR THIS!" messages than they are with actual artistic ability, then yes you are right, top-40 will remain quite profitable and is here to stay.

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      It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education. - Einstein
  24. FCC wouldn't stay understaffed by jdunlevy · · Score: 1
    The understaffed FCC would be powerless to shut them down. Audiences would have substantive content choices. No one would tune into Top-40 radio.

    ... And Top-40 radio would lobby real hard to be sure the FCC didn't stay understaffed and that the FCC would be adequately empowered to shut them down. In the meantime, they'd probably lobby real hard for the FCC to make examples of some of the more visible microbroadcasters.

  25. Everyone knows that by Prince+Vegeta+SSJ4 · · Score: 1

    THIS killed off FM long ago.

  26. Sources... Kits... or not by Rick.C · · Score: 5, Informative

    Try this if you want to build a free-standing FM transmitter from a kit, or this if you want to drop a PCI card into your PC and be on the air instantly.

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    1. Re:Sources... Kits... or not by phil+reed · · Score: 1

      Or this if you've got some money available, or this if you've got a small budget, or this if you're cheap, or this if you're really cheap and don't care if you sound like crap and can't be tuned in.

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      ...phil
      "For a list of the ways which technology has failed to improve our quality of life, press 3."
  27. Pirates or Patriots? by johnkoer · · Score: 2, Funny

    Are these Pirates or Patriots?

    Both: They are Piratriots.

  28. FM Radio Is Already Dead by SteveM · · Score: 1

    FM Radio died a while ago. When the FCC (or was it congress?) relaxed the rules on station ownership. Bye bye diversity. Hello corporate bland.

    But I agree that having thousands of idiots kicking the corpse ain't gonna help it get any better.

    SteveM

  29. Powerless to shut them down??!!??!! by MisterLawyer · · Score: 4, Interesting
    "The understaffed FCC would be powerless to shut them down."

    Young Skywalker, do not underestimate the power of the FCC:

    When the Federal Communications Commission came calling to shut down two local pirate radio stations late last year, the pirates say they got hit with a heavy dose of law enforcement muscle - choppers, submachine guns, flak jackets and other equipment and tactics usually seen in the takedown of killers or major drug desperados. (emphasis added)

    1. Re:Powerless to shut them down??!!??!! by Otter · · Score: 1

      If the delusions of grandeur displayed by today's submitter are at all representative of the idiot pirate radio community, I'd be a bit skeptical of the details of this story.

  30. umm...no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    maybe i'm dumb, but this just seems an easy way to get pinched. the way the fcc is going lately, i wouldn't want to do anything to get them pissed at me. if you really want to do a "pirate" radio show, why not just do it over the internet.

  31. Pirates by alienw · · Score: 3, Insightful

    These people are definitely ordinary radio pirates. The FM band has licensing for a reason -- because there is not enough space for everyone. I cannot find an empty spot on the FM band even in a college town with less than 20,000 people. The band is crowded, and there is not enough room for everyone and their dog.

    Besides, has anybody else noticed that the reason most "microbroadcasters" are "micro" is because nobody wants to listen to them? After all, if everyone is dissatisfied with clearchannel and likes some random local broadcaster, they can always persuade the FCC to give the small station a license instead. After all, that works for college stations, NPR stations, and many local stations. So, the pirate stations have to resort to tactics like interfering with a legitimate broadcaster in order to promote their crappy and unpopular format.

    1. Re:Pirates by Qwaniton · · Score: 1

      I'm calling bullshit on you.

      I hail from the Mighty Binghamton, New York (no 'p'). This is a pretty large area with a major SUNY university, and it's the birthplace of IBM. There are 110,000+ people here, but I can still find gaping holes in FM bandwidth. There are many, many frequencies that could support radio broadcasts.

      'Pirate' radio stations don't interfere with 'legitimate' broadcasters. Why would a microbroadcaster broadcast on an already-used frequency? There's no point. You wouldn't have any listeners. It makes far more sense to broadcast on an empty frequency, doesn't it?

    2. Re:Pirates by alienw · · Score: 1

      If there are so many gaping holes in the FM spectrum, then why is it so hard to get a license? The only reason the FCC auctions off licenses instead of just giving them out for a nominal fee is because there are many takers for every empty spot.

      The truth is, while your alarm clock may not pick up all the stations perfectly, the slot is probably occupied in the sense that you would interfere with a legitimate station if you try to broadcast on it. Otherwise, you should be able to easily get an LPFM license and legally broadcast in the empty spot.

      And there is definitely not much capacity in the FM band. First, you have to space stations 800KHz apart to prevent interference. That means that you only have about 25 channels to choose from. Some of them cannot be used at the same time because intermodulation products would interfere with communications in the aircraft band, television, or would result in some other undesirable frequencies that will interfere with reception. Allocation of spectrum space is a very complex topic, and it's not as simple as finding a quiet spot on the dial and blasting away.

    3. Re:Pirates by akb · · Score: 1

      I agree with my sibling that your post is bullshit, though for different reasons.

      You are right in that there is not enough space for everyone, but the FCC came up with a proposal to license thousands of microbroadcasters. Not everyone but certainly lots more than now. Congress voted this proposal down after having been purchased by the broadcast industry.

      So you are wrong, that you cannot "always persuade the FCC to give the small station a license instead". This is what microbroadcasters have lobbied for years for. They finally got the FCC to agree with them that there were no technical reasons why this couldn't be done, but Congress overrode the FCC's technical findings in an unprecedented move.

      I think this shoots down your absurd "the reason most "microbroadcasters" are "micro" is because nobody wants to listen to them", since you seem to believe its possible to obtain low power licenses. Radio diversity has declined dramatically in recent years and that's bad. There are many neighborhoods in urban areas that have minority populations that are not served by what's on the radio, having a microbroadcaster be able to serve them would be very valuable to them but would probably not appear as a blip in Clear Channel's spreadsheet.

    4. Re:Pirates by alienw · · Score: 1

      If enough people actually WANTED to listen to them, they would have no trouble getting a high-power license. My point is that clearchannel PLAYS STUFF MOST PEOPLE WANT TO HEAR. Why the hell would they play anything else? On the other hand, "microbroadcasters" usually play stuff few people like.

      Besides, what's the point of pirate radio? If you think you have something people like, start a webcasting station. It's cheap and it's legal, unlike pirate radio.

    5. Re:Pirates by akb · · Score: 1

      If a city has 5 formats of music on its airwaves and another less popular format is added to that mix, isn't that a good thing?

      You seem to be arguing for scarcity of voices on the airwaves. I don't understand why when offered a choice between more or less broadcasters, more or less music formats, more or less news sources, you would choose less. Even if you yourself have no interest in having more choice of things to listen to could you not imagine there might be others that would?

      If you think you have something people like, start a webcasting station.

      Radio licenses in major markets are selling for hundreds of millions of dollars. Apparently someone thinks there's something worthwhile about radio. Perhaps it has something to do with the hundreds of millions of radio receivers lying around the country.

      It's cheap and it's legal, unlike pirate radio.

      Are you missing the fact that microbroadcasters don't think what they are doing should be illegal and that the FCC agrees with them on the technical basis of that? They aren't broadcasting because its illegal, they're broadcasting because they want to exercise free speech over the airwaves.

  32. Stupidest. Idea. Ever. by Control+Group · · Score: 4, Insightful
    You're kidding, right? Analog FM bandwidth is a very limited resource. Worst case scenario you end up with so many different signals you've got nothing but noise. Only slightly better (and the best you could reasonably hope for, with this, IMHO) would be many tiny cells in each city, within which you could hear a given station.

    This isn't better. I'd rather listen to a commercial rock station and hear mediocre songs all the way through and put up with ~25% advertising than institute a model where I can't hear any song to the end in my car, because I lose reception too fast.

    Even if - maybe especially if - it's a song I love.

    The FCC, for all its flaws, serves a useful purpose. It regulates the use of a freely-accessible (technically, at least) resource which is extremely limited in supply.

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    1. Re:Stupidest. Idea. Ever. by vvdb · · Score: 0

      The one thing you forget in the battle of tiny broadcasters vs. large stations is that the larger station will have much power in the signal. Its like a whisper versus a bullhorn. If you are close you will hear the whisper, but the bullhorn will be there. I work for a LPFM station that was closed due to "interferance" with a 100Kw station. The fact was that our station which was 1 station away became a whisper at the same wattage when the big boy came on. We had a FCC license but it seemed that our rights were less than the big company. The larger stations will always win unless it is over 10 watts and in line of sight with the antenna up to 1 mile. even then that is if the antennna is prpoerly tuned and conditions are perfect.
      I agree that the FM band is crowded but the FCC could also regulate the stations that are out there to make sure they are not going beyond their allowed range. Many stations are over broadcasting and little stations like ours are hurt.

    2. Re:Stupidest. Idea. Ever. by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 1

      Analog FM bandwidth is a very limited resource.

      Perhaps not quite as limited as the FCC would have you believe.

      In Europe, FM radio frequencies are assigned 0.05Hz apart, so there might be a station at 99.10, 99.15, 99.20, etc... here in North America, the spacing is a full 0.2Hz apart. From 99.1, the next station is at 99.3. Why is this?

  33. Definitely Patriots by 2names · · Score: 1, Insightful
    The airwaves don't belong to any government, they don't belong to any private organization, they don't belong to any person.

    The FCC is a sham and should be dismantled.

    --
    "I'm just here to regulate funkiness."
    1. Re:Definitely Patriots by johnkoer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The airwaves don't belong to any government, they don't belong to any private organization, they don't belong to any person.

      The FCC is a sham and should be dismantled.


      And the ozone does not belong to any government or private organization, but does that mean we should dismantle the EPA?

      While I am not a fan of the FCC, it does exist to regulate the usage of the airwaves. I think its power should be limited to protecting the airwaves from being overpopulated, however, they should not regulate the content being provided.

    2. Re:Definitely Patriots by LightForce3 · · Score: 1

      The radio portion of the electromagnetic spectrum is not ultimately governed by the FCC. It is actually controlled by the United Nations through the International Telecommunications Union. The FCC must operate within the rules of the ITU.

      So, while the FCC does have a good deal of control over broadcasting in the United States, there are certain things it cannot control and certain decisions it does not have the power to make.

      Furthermore, the ITU is necessary to ensure the safe, reliable, and effective use of the electromagnetic spectrum. You wouldn't want some unlicensed broadcaster in Canada or Central/Southern America interfering with the radio services used by FEMA, would you?

    3. Re:Definitely Patriots by sweetleaf · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Currently, the FCC is the legislative branch of the media conglomerates.

      The FCC exists primarily to cater to ClearChannel / Kiss FM. It's not about serving the public, it's about serving big business.

      Pirate Radio is an act of civil disobedience.

      There is an old saying - Want a free press? Buy one. Of course, for those of us that can't buy one - you can start your own!

      Just imagine 1,000 Slashdotters rebroadcasting Airamerica Radio across the midwest. We might finally have a voice to reckon with Rush Limbaugh and Fox News.

    4. Re:Definitely Patriots by operagost · · Score: 1
      The best you can come up with is to rebroadcast hate-filled leftist rhetoric? I suppose you have no ideas of your own, and must feed off of others.

      AirAmerica: Where washed-up, angry Saturday Night Live comics go to die.

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    5. Re:Definitely Patriots by Bourbonium · · Score: 0, Troll

      Of course we should dismantle the EPA! What the hell have they done to "save" the ozone layer? Nothing at all. They banned CFCs, but did that make the ozone layer healthier? If you believe them, it has only gotten worse. However, if you listen to climatologists, the latest ideas are that the "hole" over Antarctica has been there for a very long time, and we only discovered it in the 1960s and 70s when we began studying it from satellites. It appears to be a seasonal phenomenon, changing in size all the time. Sometimes it's big, sometimes it's small, but it may have been doing this for centuries.

      The EPA is just a tax-sucking bureaucracy that can hardly demonstrate any accomplishments of their own. At least the FCC claims to be keeping the airwaves "clean" by scolding CBS, Bono and Janet Jackson for talking dirty and flashing boobs.

    6. Re:Definitely Patriots by sweetleaf · · Score: 1

      Back to your cave, troll.

      If you had listened to AirAmerica Radio, you would know that Air America isn't hate-filled. They support a change of government, one that respects the United Nations and the Geneva Convention. One that is for the people instead of for Rupert Murdoch.

      As for original ideas, no ad hominem, little man.

  34. perfect timing! by tloh · · Score: 1

    Now that friends has just aired its series finale, you *know* Americans are just dying to try something new and trendy. What could be cooler than making like Christian Slater and pumping up the volume!?!? That's right you Elvis fan, it's time to dust off your LPs and start gyrating them hips. Three cheers for the aspiring Marconis amongst the air waves!

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  35. pump up the volume by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Talk Hard

  36. No more Top-40? by Humorously_Inept · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No one would tune into Top-40 radio

    How many of the unfeasible thousands of tiny radio stations do you figure would be playing Top-40 anyway? There really isn't enough diversity in music to support even a modest number of unique radio stations. Most of them would be playing dead-air or else experiencing wide overlaps in content.

    Beyond that, what are the chances that this technology could be used for evil instead of good? Does anyone remember the hooligans who usurped a Burger King drive through system and berated customers for being fat? Unfortunately, a tool like radio would probably inspire the worst in poorly mannered people rather than the best in mild mannered ones.

    The technical aspect is very interesting and well worth teaching. The social aspect needs a disclaimer.

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    1. Re:No more Top-40? by British · · Score: 1

      There really isn't enough diversity in music to support even a modest number of unique radio stations. Most of them would be playing dead-air or else experiencing wide overlaps in content.

      I'm gonna call bs on that. The local 80s station here(Mix104) just keeps playing the same 300 80s 'top-40' songs over and over and over and over and over again. I have more 80s musical variety in my car than they do in their whole "playlist".

    2. Re:No more Top-40? by Humorously_Inept · · Score: 1

      What I mean to say is there simply aren't enough truly distinct genres of music to necessitate thousands, or really even dozens, of radio stations. Highly specific genres probably couldn't provide sufficient content for a radio station, and broad genres already experience station overlaps in most cities. Do you need dozens of pirates jamming the airwaves with the same old stuff?

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    3. Re:No more Top-40? by dogkow · · Score: 1

      British is not lying on that one... I had to listen to Mix104 this summer at my job for 8 hours every day. I literally could set my watch based on their playlist.

      99 Red Balloons? Time for first shift break.
      Girls just Wanna have Fun? Lunchtime.
      Rock the Casbah? That meant it was time to clock out.

      Down with top-40 anything. I want to bring back 2000Flushes!

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      It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. --Aristotle

  37. ORRRR by the_2nd_coming · · Score: 2

    I turn on the radio and get cross talk and garbled words because of all the damn idiots broadcasting in my area.

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    1. Re:ORRRR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      FCC fines Stern for his typical less than politically correct show but won't address Oprah's show where "tossing salad" was graphically described. They're not likely to be any more consistent with very small rogue transmissions.

  38. BPL by Barbarian · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yet the FCC is shirking it's duties by accepting the upcoming wideband interference of broadband over power lines in the frequency range of 3 to 80 mhz.

    1. Re:BPL by mpost4 · · Score: 1
      as i said
      and they make mistakes
      I did have that but I forgote that slashdot removes anything between parenthesis.
    2. Re:BPL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is the point of your signature?

  39. Power less by pottymouth · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Imagine this: A thousand little stations send radio programming across cities and towns from senior centers, dorm rooms and attics. The understaffed FCC would be powerless to shut them down. "

    Is that like the RIACC is powerless to stop the millions of downloaders and file traders from sharing music, etc... because there's just too many people doing it? All they have to do is get the interested parties (commercial radio for instance) to call their lawyers who will call their lobbyists who will pay a few judges/polititians who will write a law that includes a fine so large (you know, like up to $150,000.00 per song) that no one will take the risk of getting caught. Then they just have to arrest a few people to set an example and all the sheep run back to the barn...

    Welcome to America man, land of the Lawyer... Someday this may again be a free country but not today.

  40. Judging from American history.... by gilroy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Are these Pirates or Patriots?"
    ...there isn't much difference, except time for a historical perspective...
    1. Re:Judging from American history.... by GPLDAN · · Score: 1

      I think the comparison is Terrorists and Patriots, not pirates. Blackbeard is long dead, but I still think he's regarded as pretty foul dog, which is why the British sailed to North Carolina to fry his ass after he rebuked the Queen.

  41. FCC? by nukem1999 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If this happened right now, I think the FCC would be more worried about shutting down Stern than all these little transmitters. More money and votes to be won in censorship than in regulation.

  42. Ultra low power FM by certsoft · · Score: 2, Interesting
    You can also get "sorta Part 15 compliant" transmitters if you only want to cover a 1/4 mile radius or less. I put together one of these kits: FM100B and it works well.

    As for subversive news, the article mentioned Democracy Now, I've never heard that one, but I often catch Free Speach Radio News on Pacifica Radio's streaming audio, or if I miss it, download it from FSRN

    1. Re:Ultra low power FM by airlie · · Score: 1

      I've often thought it wold be nice to have a low power radio station for the summer camp I work with. Wake up bell/revilie/taps, announcements, some music,stuff like that. The kids would have fun running it. We'd have to do it legal though.

  43. Riiiiight. by CheapEngineer · · Score: 4, Funny

    "And the media moguls would slink back into their caves." Never before have I laughed so hard @ work that the Sation manager came down to the shop and asked me to pipe down, until I read this line. Stop it, *please*, yer killin' me. Cheap Engineer Somewhere in Corporate TV land

  44. chaos can be good by CarrionBird · · Score: 1

    if it can be used to bring down an opressive system. These people seem to think that the FCC is an opressive system. There are probably better ways to get your message out than this, but it's a protest and protests are often silly.

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    1. Re:chaos can be good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Help help I'm being oppressed!

    2. Re:chaos can be good by CarrionBird · · Score: 1

      Bloody peasant!

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  45. Great. by CosmeticLobotamy · · Score: 2

    Like it's not hard enough commuting and having the radio occasionally cut out to the Brittany Spears song .2 MHz off, now I have to be interrupted every fifteen feet by hundreds of 13 year olds with transmitters and their own call-in show listened to only by their next door neighbor playing their "All-Rancid-and-Green Day Morning, OMG WTF LOL!!!" on my way to work.

    1. Re:Great. by CamSauce · · Score: 0

      That sounds like a kickass station! In all seriousness that is what *could* happen if the little guy was entrusted to broadcast a station. Although 99% of the content may not appeal to you personally, it's 99% more content then what is available now.

      Suppose you like country music but you don't like the one or two country stations that broadcast in your area. Given the empowerment to broadcast small stations with a minimal or non existent fee would allow you and your neighbors to provide an alternative to the one or two stations you don't like to listen to in your area. Radio is a public service that is severly abused by the interests of corporate clowns that have forgotten about the music or the talk and have dollar signs for eyeballs. I used to work in radio and it was always a catch-22 situation to position the station to appeal to the local market while still caving into the demands of increased ad revenue (less content) the corporate owner would impose. With higher ratings more revenue is generated, but to get high ratings you need a lot of content, which you can't provide because you need the time for ads.. sigh.

      I very much understand the technical problems of granting everyone a license to broadcast, but the fcc could allow for the increase of power that each station could broadcast with to eliminate or reduce the crosstalk that comes along with adding additional frequencies.

  46. Setup Data Networks not radio! by dgp · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Set up a thousand little 802.11 hotspots with point-to-point links to send all sorts of data across cities and towns from senior centers, dorm rooms and attics! Its already legal! The hardware is already cheap!

    Now you've not only got local content streaming radio, you've got VoIP services, freely distributable media sharing, local news blogs, etc etc.

    This is the dream of many wireless community networking groups, including The Personal Telco Project in Portland, Oregon, USA.

  47. Takes iPod headphones out of ears by Matey-O · · Score: 1

    Did you say something?

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  48. Already happened by eltoyoboyo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Maybe the poster might be to young to remember the Citizen's Band phenomenon in the 1970's. And while the underlying thought might be that the FCC is powerless or understaffed, try broadcasting in Clear Channel's AM/FM bandwidth and see how fast you get slapped with a cease-and-desist order.

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    1. Re:Already happened by GPLDAN · · Score: 1

      I used to tune to channel 19, hold the "hammer" down and play Abba's 'Dancing Queen' again and again. I don't know why, but the truckers weren't entertained. Shoulda went with Johnny Cash.

  49. One surfaced in my area a while back by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    EPR FM (Erdenheim Public Radio). Lasted a little while, but the FCC finally came knocking. They are still on the web, though:

    http://www.eprfm.org

  50. Packetize it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Better yet, turn radio INTO the Internet! Make all the broadcasts packet-based. Then we can have several program streams broadcasting on the same freqency.

    In fact, why not break the stations' fare into syndicated shows? I'd like to tune into shows from around the country and around the world when I feel like it-- and the local broadcasters can still 'drop in' their own local advertising between show segments. Everybody wins!

  51. shortwave by Barbarian · · Score: 2, Informative

    Most "pirates" broadcast in shortwave, well away from any major AM and FM broadcasters.

    www.frn.net has a sightings forum if you want to listen to this stuff.

  52. Keep it quiet! by Lord+Kano · · Score: 1

    he understaffed FCC would be powerless to shut them down.

    But the DoJ would be empowered to prosecute these people for facilitation and conspiracy to break the law for telling all of these radio pirates that they should be broadcasting without licenses.

    LK

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  53. Why on earth would anyone want to? by Tim+Ward · · Score: 1

    Haven't they got lives to get on with?

    Ah, let's see, this is slashdot we're discussing this on ...

  54. Why is a Patriot 'good'? by dspacemonkey · · Score: 2, Informative
    Patriotism is the willingness to kill and be killed for trivial reasons.

    Is being a patriot really a good thing?
    Patriot , n. One to whom the interests of a part seem superior to those of the whole. The dupe of statesmen and the tool of conquerors.
    From a dictionary via Google

    Of course, there are many other definitions, but I like thie one above.

    Why is someone who fights others because "My country is better than your country" held in such high regard? After all, we despise those who fight and kill because their race "is better than yours".

    Sorry for being a little off-topic, but maybe someone will know the answer.
  55. How about decentralizing the FCC? by Jonny+Royale · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How about, instead of the FCC having total control of the airwaves for the enitre country, they give control to the states, or the metropolitan areas to control locally? Or some split deal (broadcast power below a certian level is run by the state/city, higher has both state and federal, or only federal).

    It seems that if I have a low power station, and I registered with a city or state authority for the frequency in that city, I should be covered, since if the power shouldn't be enough to get to antoher city, and they won't have to worry about me there. The FM spectrum is small, but you can have broadcasters on the smae frequency, as long as the boradcasters aren't near enough to each other to intefere with one another. and that sort of management would be easier by a more local authourity.

    1. Re:How about decentralizing the FCC? by Adam9 · · Score: 1

      Radio waves don't follow political boundaries.

    2. Re:How about decentralizing the FCC? by dfranks · · Score: 1
      True, but transmission range varies by frequency/power.

      There are plenty of countries that are smaller than some US states with their own regulatory authorities.

      That said, I seriously doubt there are any state governments that want to set up their own mini-FCC (particularly without federal funding).

  56. What did you say? by Paulrothrock · · Score: 1

    *Turns off car stereo, stopping the loud music coming from his iPod + tape adapter*

    Sorry. Pirate radio? Who listens to radio anymore?

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  57. Interference by kitzilla · · Score: 4, Informative
    I work for a major broadcast corporation, but hope this will be taken on its own merits and as my personal opinion.

    I like the idea of "hobbyist" broadcasting. The more voices, the merrier. Power to the people. There's no downside -- in theory.

    The idea, though, of turning anyone with a soldering iron and microphone loose on our already crowded broadcast bands sounds like a disaster, though. Homebrew transmitters will be filthy, interefering with services inside and outside the broadcast spectrum.

    The FCC has the legitimate purpose of regulating public airwaves for just this reason. Radio anarchy will reduce the usefulness of *all* broadcasting and many other services. Wanna surf wi-fi? Better hope your neighbor ain't running a dirty transmitter in your apartment complex.

    I wish the Commission would consider laying aside a MHz or so for hobbyist broadcasters. But they should require type-accepted transmitters and dictate minimum technical standards of operation. None of this would be expensive or an undue burden upon those who would like to air out the First Amendment.

    There's also the question of broadcast obscenity and indecency. If such broadcasts are illegal for licensed stations, the same should apply to hobbyists.

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    1. Re:Interference by akb · · Score: 1

      I'd be interested to hear your perspective on your industry's heavy lobbying to kill the LPFM service. And the results of the 2nd study that found that the interference concerns your industry raised were without merit.

      I hope you will call your Congress people when a bill to allow the licensing of thousands of LPFM's is introduced this session.

    2. Re:Interference by radiotalent · · Score: 1

      As another radio professional, I don't always agree with the industry lobby, but in all honesty I (we) probably dislike Clear Channel, et. al., more than the average Joe. If CC were to take over the station I work at, my listeners would have to "suffer" with their cookie cutter / off site approach to radio, but I'd (most likely) be out of a job that I've loved for a decade OR be doing twice the work for the same (relatively low) pay.

      Just because I work in radio doesn't mean I agree with those doing the lobbying and driving policies. Much in the same way I doubt the drones at WalMart support exported labor, the average American service person supports prisoner abuse or those with Slashdot user account enjoy redundant topic postings.

    3. Re:Interference by Oodi · · Score: 1
      I wish the Commission would consider laying aside a MHz or so for hobbyist broadcasters. But they should require type-accepted transmitters and dictate minimum technical standards of operation. None of this would be expensive or an undue burden upon those who would like to air out the First Amendment.

      Open up a small chunk of spectrum for broadcast use by licensed amateur radio operators...

    4. Re:Interference by akb · · Score: 1

      I hope I didn't give the impression that I thought broadcast professionals are of one mind on this issue. I genuinely want to hear what the original poster thinks about the proposals to license thousands of LPFM's and whether the industry is motivated by genuine concern about interference. The poster laid out a position about allowing people access to the airwaves in a controlled manner. I want to know if the one the FCC came up with meets with his approval, and it would be signifcant to hear a radio professional say they are feel strongly enough about the issue to call their Congress critters.

      I do admit, I would love to hear an insider call their industry a bunch of greedy pigs feeding at the public trough. But, I don't want to put words in anyone's mouth :)

    5. Re:Interference by /dev/trash · · Score: 1

      As if my small little transmitter would be able to overcome the local country station's 50,000 watts of power.

    6. Re:Interference by kitzilla · · Score: 1
      That's not necessarily true. First, CC programmers have FAR more autonomy than a PD at Cox or Cumulus or your average mom-and-pop, owner-on-the-grounds station. Second, talent rules. If you're good, you stay. As of last week, less than 20% of CC's daily airshifts are tracked (and about a third of those shifts are produced by local talent).

      In my building, we have about 30% fewer programming people than when I came to the market five years ago. Virtually all these positions were eliminated by normal attrition. Radio isn't the only business that has downsized over the years. The same things is happening in virtually every sector: automotive, retail, finance -- you name it. CC isn't unique when it comes to managing payroll. Wanna get blown out during an acquisition? Get bought by Cumulus.

      You're right about one thing: we are working harder than a few years back. Absolutely. Our ratings position is also better than before CC came in. Go figure.

      Being an organization of thousands of people, CC ain't perfect. But if I had a kid crazy enough to enter the business, I'd recommend they go straight to Clear Channel.

      There are some GREAT companies out there, but CC is better than many to its employees. Again, this is the personal opinion of a garden-variety CC Programmer in a medium Southern market.

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    7. Re:Interference by kitzilla · · Score: 1
      My advocacy for additional local signals goes back to Docket 80-90 (in support of which I was a petitioner). Being a bit of a Leftist freak, I think we should squeeze spectrum to allow a large number of low-power, local services.

      The intereference issues raised in association with LPFM are of an entirely different stripe than this homebrew movement. All LPFM transmitters are type-accepted and their channel allocations are assigned. Just building whatever the hell you want and squatting wherever you feel would be enormously destructive to numerous broadcast services (including data, public safety, cellular, and aeronautical radio).

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    8. Re:Interference by kitzilla · · Score: 1
      Depends where the receiver is, huh? And I sure hope your "small little" transmitter ain't radiating on any frequency other than which you intend.

      It will, of course: all transmitters do. But you'll have a properly designed harmonic radiation filter, right? And your cabinet will be shielded so that 50kw Country station doesn't mix with your IPA and cause spurious products out of whatever POS final stage you've cobbled together, right? And you've looked at your signal in a spectrum analyser to be sure you're not screwing with your neighbor's Linksys wireless router and the CATV booster amplifier down the street, right?

      Yeah, right.

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    9. Re:Interference by kitzilla · · Score: 1

      Nope: amateur radio is prohibited for broadcast by international treaty. We must abide. But I'd certainly support a new service -- even one carved from, say, the almost-never-used 1.25 meter band.

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  58. FCC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    We the people OWN the radio waves. They belong NOT to the Federal Government, but to us.
    We had the FCC created to regulate radio waves and frequencies, so that Emergency Services and "public" stations would not receive interferance from "private" broadcasts.
    However, now the FCC is "renting" out the airwaves, and restricting content.
    How did this all happen?
    The Government (FCC) has overstepped its boundries with this one.

  59. Free speech & Broadcasting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't understand how not being able to broadcast is a limitation on freedom of speech. You still have a mouth don't you? It's not like they're licensing audible soundwaves or anything. You have a right to speak your mind, but there are no rights guaranteeing anyone will listen or even that they'll be able to hear you.

    1. Re:Free speech & Broadcasting by cavebear42 · · Score: 1

      Actully you are exactly wrong. Broadcasting is pentamount to the freedom of speech. A person standing on the street corner isnt really passing a message on to anyone. Could a president win an election without any broadcast (radio, tv, newpaper, internet)? How many people can we tell a message without using a broadcast medium? Even before electricity, important messages were broadcasted via harolds or semaphore. If we take the most widely used for of communication and give it to just 1 company, let call them Clear Channel for fun, wouldn't that give them the right to impose their views on the masses. I mean they could do things like pull radio shows when they think them to be offincive or restrict the use of the word "scumbag". It would be a sad state. LPFM is a very good thing but those that use it need to be respectful of others. Which, by the way, is true for all radio transmittors.

  60. Let's restore "piracy" to respectability again by wytcld · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Let's remember that Sir Francis Drake was a pirate, as well as the proto-feminists Mary Read and Anne Bonny. In Drake's case, the Spanish were plundering their American conquests for gold to use to arm themselves for invasion of England. Drake not only was instrumental in defeating the Armada directly, but in cutting off the funding for the Spanish terror as a licensed privateer, chartered by the Crown to seize Spanish shipping. The Crown eventually revoked the licenses to Drake and his peers, but the pirates were enabled to continue their careers awhile especially by the free trade policies of New Amsterdam, whose Dutch citizens could still remember the evils of the former Spanish dominion over Holland.

    The essential outlines of respectable piracy are these: A group seizing wealth to which it has no real moral claim, and using that wealth to further increase the scope of its power towards absolute monopoly, controlled through a close collusion of centralized wealth, power and religion (e.g. Spain /Inquisition with New World gold, or Clear Channel/Bush with the "public" airwaves) is opposed by independent, free-thinking owners of their own rigs, preserving liberty against the dark designs for ultimate consolidation of power.

    Pirates can be good, those opposed to them as evil as the conquistadors. Without pirates, Spain could have taken control of most all of Europe and the Americas, the Inquisition would still be ongoing, and the level of economic development and social justice would be that of a typical South American country at best. The public should find ways to directly charter pirates, in doing so aligning them with the public good as Drake was allied with the good of England. Then the FCC will be as unlikely to act decisively against them as it is to take on Opra.

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  61. Gives me a good idea for a project!!! by nexusone · · Score: 1

    Build a FM transmitter and attach it to my computer, then add a webserver that lets people make muisic request via the web and put into a MP3 music que.
    Use text to voice module to create a virtual DJ and tells what title and artist are about to play.

    Could be a cool.

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  62. This... by zarthrag · · Score: 1

    can be good or bad. Depending on the conduct of the station operators. Following Part-15 rules isn't enough for much, And most stations will succumb to illegal/unlicensed equipment, illegal/unnecessary ERP, and rampant interference.

    Of course, there will be those with no license to play music over the air, and all will. Personally, I'd like to see these psuedo-pirate stations feature local bands and "stars".

    What if these micro-stations were even more organized? Several low-power broadcasting stations playing an internet-radio feed simultaneously? If a company did it, this could be a very powerful medium.

    I, for one, love to see new operators. More potential hams, and more preparedness during emergencies. But that's just me.



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  63. Information by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Data - A facts, figures, opinions, fiction whatever. In a digital medium a stream of bits.

    Information - USEFUL data.

  64. Italian broadcasting deregulation, NPR & FCC by rolofft · · Score: 2, Informative

    Italy deregulated broadcasting (on free speach grounds), and the result was vibrant: it replaced the state-run "cathedral" with a privately run "bazaar".

    The FCC is a tool to stiffle free speach. National Public Radio was one of the forces that pushed the FCC to crack down on microbroadcasters. It wasn't for fear of chaos. It was to stiffle NPR's competitors. Someone from Radio Free Berkley (true community radio, as opposed to "public" radio) once called NPR the "agent orange of grassroots radio". If NPR is agent orange, then the FCC is mustard gas.

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  65. XM by TheSync · · Score: 1

    People who don't like top 40 have XM radio...

    Besides, why do we want more analog FM transmitters in a digital world?

  66. The clueless masses by gosand · · Score: 1
    This always annoys me. Why do you think it's top 40? Most people like that form of music. Just because YOU don't doesn't mean everyone is clamoring for other music, otherwise the "indie" labels would be much more successful.

    At which point they would cease to be considered "indie". I remember when the Red Hot Chili Peppers and Jane's Addiction were alternative (when alternative meant something). Now they are Top 40 for no other reason than the industry owners realized how good they were. But IMO bands are never as good as they were before they became popular. It seems that "the industry" corrupts them or something once they become popular. Metallica, Aerosmith, Guns-n-Roses - their early work is so much better and pure than later stuff. It's like the music that gets them the good record deals is the first thing that suffers.

    To rant a little, Metallica is a great example. They were essentially niche music until And Justice For All came out. People started to take notice. Then the Black album hit, and they were all over the place. MTV, award shows, etc. Their music has never been the same. It lost something. Guns-n-Roses first album was 100% pure, and they became popular by word of mouth. I remember listening to that tape a full year and a half before they ever made a video. After that they did some somewhat interesting stuff, but it seemed a little forced. The Beastie Boys is another good example, they were amazing up until they made it big with Ill Communication. They kind of lost it after that. I really liked an album called "Lemonade and Brownies" by a group called Sugar Ray. A couple of years later, they made it to the radio with the pop-garbage that made them famous. It isn't at all like the stuff on the Lemonade album. It is like someone told them "If you change your sound, we'll make you famous!". Wanna see how it works in semi-real-life? Check out Making the Band on MTV. It's all about getting famous and getting paid. Integrity is out the window.

    There are naturally exceptions. Some artists have been able to seemingly retain their integrity over the years, but it has to be exceptionally hard to get out from under the thumb of the labels and do things the way you want. And you can certainly like top40 if you want. I like some of it. It can be catchy. You can tell that someone like Avril Lavigne might have a little more to offer, but is being pushed into the cute-pop-girl mold. Gwen Stefani carved her own niche. Michelle Branch has potential too. So does Jessica Simpson. (just kidding) In the end, it should be about the music, but it is not. Britney Spears is probably the most famous performer out there, but she can't sing for shite. Her voice is terrible, her songs are terrible. They are catchy at best. She is famous because she is hot - period. It is all a popularity contest.

    Top 40 is a joke. What is it supposed to be, the top 40 requested songs? Call up and request something that is not on their approved playlist, and see if they will play it. They either won't have it, or will say they can't play it. They are essentially dictating what you will hear. If you think it is anything different than that, you are a dadburn fool.

    But you can still like Top 40 music, just don't kid yourself about it.

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  67. As long as I still get my ASCAP checks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As long as these people still operate "legally" by paying royalties for their content (so songwriters can still make a living), then I'm all for it...

    Something tells me, however, that with current attitudes toward the RIAA's anti-piracy tactics, any enforcement by performing rights organizations like ASCAP and BMI will be lamented by some (piracy advocates) as fascist.

  68. We need diversity by enfred · · Score: 0, Redundant

    We need these low power broadcasters! I don't know if you have cruised up and down the radio dial (AM or FM), but all that is there is basic crap. We need these people to give us other viewpoints, and some good music too.

  69. Some background on Steve Dunifer and FRB by Parker51 · · Score: 4, Informative
    Many of us in radio are quite familiar with Mr. Dunifer's history. Here are some of the more notorious examples:
    • Back in the early 90's, Free Radio Berkeley advertised radio transmitter kits for sale and was unable to ship them on time, leaving many paying customers hanging for months without any feedback. In response to the inevitable complaints, rather than apologize or politely explain unforeseen circumstances, Mr. Dunifer tells them to kiss my ass.

    • Around the same timeframe, FRB announces that they have been "invited" to Lollapalooza to set up booths and give demonstrations of pirate radio. I put the word invited in quotes because FRB got turned away at the gate at Lollapalooza at many tour locations. Blame it on poor planning by FRB, communications/coordination problems with Lollapalooza sponsors, or the whole thing inevitably degrading into a say-you're-with-FRB-and-you-get-into-Lollapalooza- for-free scam.

    • In 1998, after three years of tilting at windmills filing appeals in federal courts, Stephen Dunifer's own pirate radio station is shut down. The judge granted the U.S. Attorney's motion for summary judgement, and issued a permanent injunction.


    What's ironic, and maudlin about the whole affair, is if Mr. Dunifer had not blatantly violated FCC rules, he would have been eligible to submit an application for a Lower Power FM (LPFM) license, which the FCC has begun granting again. Even if Mr. Dunifer is himself ineligible, he could have used this opportunity to encourage and support others in applying for such licenses. However, you won't see Mr. Dunifer or FRB doing this. They would rather play with their own toys by their own rules, and society be damned.
    1. Re:Some background on Steve Dunifer and FRB by mycal · · Score: 2, Informative


      The problem is when Stephen started there was no LPFM license, NPR had just lobbied the FCC to not issue any more 10 watt station licenses.

      It is because of Stephen and others like him that LPFM exists today.

      mycal

  70. Sounds just like the web by bobsledbob · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Adding thousands of mini FM stations to me sounds like the same thing that's happened with the web. Ya, there are a few decent sites out there, but on the whole, the internet if full of crap.

    The parallels are pretty interesting, though. If a market were to be saturated with thousands of mini-stations, one would naturally assume that a station or two might decide to take on the roll of 'directory' or 'portal', helping you find a frequency you're interested in tuning into.

    I'm definetly for this kind of initiative, and I want to say that the FCC has done a good job at allowing creativity and innovation, particularly in support of hobbiests. However, it seems that big money has more influence and forces the FCC's hand most of the time. That's the real shame of it all.

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  71. Local Reach and Mobility by wodelltech · · Score: 1

    With LPFM, it's doubtful that you'll tune in from your car - or any other mobile platform - unless you like changing content every minute or so. The range is just too small. In fact, I would claim LPFM would only work well for stationary receivres (i.e., if you want to here a complete song/speech/etc).

    Having said that, most of our stationary time is spent at home or at work - where we already have Internet access....

    Those of you conncerned about interfarence should note that the LPFM channel alotment typically exists in the guard-bands (i.e., between the commercial stations). The new IBOC (digital AM/FM) signal exists in these guard bands as well...

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  72. Absolutely. by 2names · · Score: 1

    I also believe that the content should not be regulated. And I might be more inclined to support an FCC that kept the airwaves uncluttered, but as we have seen in the past, once a Government agency is involved in an area, the area quickly goes to hell in a handbag.

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  73. spread spectrum by scatalogical · · Score: 1

    We have had spread spectrum technology since the 50s. AFAIK this makes it feasable to have many stations in the same area without major interference. It will never be used for this because the last things the business clowns want is for there to be a free market.

  74. Official Pirate Radio by JCMay · · Score: 1
    It's not quite on-topic, but there's a local radio station that just this past month changed it's format: WSJZ is now known as "Pirate 95.9" in Central Florida. From this page:

    WSJZ Sets Rock Sails As 'Pirate 95.9'

    The Melbourne-based station dropped Smooth Jazz on April 1 to go Active Rock, and new PD Jim Callahan places the Premiere-syndicated Bob & Tom Show in mornings. Former WSJZ PD Sabrina stays on for middays, while Callahan will host afternoons, voicetrack nights and handle the station's imaging. WSJZ had been a Jones Satellite Network affiliate.


    It shares offices with the other Cumulus stations in town, WHKR and WAOA. There must be some wholesale rebranding going on; WAOA's web site is just an "Under Construction" page, WSJZ doesn't have one at all. WHKR still has theirs, however.

    Going on-topic, LPFM stations are often cited as a failed idea. Not sure how they did it, but WCEE is a LPFM station here. They definitely win on the "cool factor." They play stuff months before the big stations pick it up.
  75. Comments from someone that had a LPFM station... by telemonster · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Hello. I had a LPFM station, and was visited by the FCC. A few notes...

    With the modern equipment and some caution, it is easy to avoid harmonics, and I never experienced adjacent channel interference. Supposidly down in Flordia (Miami?) there are lots of problems with intereference as immigrants run poorly constructed equipment. However, in most cases (like my visit) the FCC could cite ZERO interference. Either the FCC heard about it on the internet (they look), or a commercial station turned you in because they don't like the thought of competition in the market. I don't think LPFM stations would show up in the ratings.

    The FCC responded to the LPFM (Low Power FM (Pirate radio)) craze with the LPFM rulings that appeared to setup a legal chance for people to have 10 and 100 watt stations. The thing is, most of the tickets went to churches. ***YAWWWWNNN*** Congrats, the radio band is now filled and there is no room for evil pirates playing non-top 40 format. Church groups are already allowed to have translators, so it was kind of a disappointment. I think Kennard was big on the church tip, so this might explain it.

    If you WERE to drop your station over a commercial station, multipath signal antics would cause neither to sound good a short distance from your arial.

    The NAB is really out to protect it's members. Monopolistic. No one wants competition. So that is just the way it is....

    An *INTERESTING* thing is the new Icom D-Star ham radio equipment. It does 128kbps TCP/IP data via repeaters for Ham radio. I'm not 100% positive, but maybe if someone designed a cheap 1.2ghz digital receiver that could decode mp3 data from the DCOM ham radio system it would be possible to run a metro radio service using streaming mp3 data, along with the callsign of the station owner. There are projects to interface to various car decks, but widespread audience wouldn't be obtainable with the hardware requirements and some HAM people might get pissed if tons of the transmitters started showing up spewing 24x7 data.

    I gotta admit, it was run running a station. But the requirements for operating legal are a bore, and it seems to take the fun out of it. LDBrewer was the big source for the equipment, and FCC owned him in a major way. The lack of gear has slowed the spread of LPFM. It is pretty much died AFAIK.

    And yet another thing, does anyone know if something like a HP 22ghz spectrum analyzer can be set to watch the broadcast FM spectrum (88mhz to 108mhz)... then if anything new shows up, throw an alert via RS232? I've always wanted to monitor for FM pirates in my area...

    You never know what might show up on the dial...

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  76. Radio... Ha! by Teclis · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Hasn't anyone heard?

    video killed the radio star.

    Isn't radio just a novelty?

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  77. Sheesh by HarveyBirdman · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Imagine this: A thousand little stations send radio programming across cities and towns from senior centers, dorm rooms and attics. The understaffed FCC would be powerless to shut them down.

    Imagine this: A thousand little stations interfering with police, fire and ambulance radio dispatching and communications, and, even better, aircraft communications. The understaffed FCC can't shut them down, but the FAA comes in and (deservedly) kicks your ass.

    Yeah, yeah, I know. It's low power FM and everyone will make sure to be nice. Right. That's how things always work out, right? None of these homebrew transmitters will have a bad harmonic or other out of band spur, right? And as the FM band becomes fuzzed out no one will flee to other bands, right?

    This is the ONE legitimate purpose of the FCC- bandwidth management. You're so ideological stubborn you'd eliminate that as well and deliver the spectrum into chaos?

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    1. Re:Sheesh by evilviper · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The FCC does happen to have a legitimate job, and nobody is trying to get rid of them. The problem is, they, like most of the government, have become completely corrupt, and a large movement like this is the only way to force them to do what the public wants, not just what the big companies want.

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  78. Station Formats by Kozar_The_Malignant · · Score: 2, Funny

    >There really isn't enough diversity in music to support even a modest number of unique radio stations.

    Out of a thousand stations: 10 AOR, 10 Hip Hop, 50 College Town Indie, 929 JEEEEEZUSSS Saves Send Money, and 1 guy broadcasting an audio tape of his girlfriend and him going at it on the kitchen table.
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  79. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot? by wodelltech · · Score: 1

    LPFM has defined spectrum. It has nothing to do with clobbering police, medics, firemen, etc. That's total FUD.

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  80. Microbroadcasting FAQ by jdavidb · · Score: 1

    Radio4All.org has a FAQ on microbroadcasting.

  81. Re:How about staying somewhere near the topic? by Colonel+Cholling · · Score: 1

    While this post is somewhat interesting, I fail to see how it even comes close to being related to the topic. Okay, radio, phonographs, they're both audio media. But unless you're proposing making microbroadcasts of the Edison Concert Band, I think you're in the wrong thread.

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  82. First things first by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 1

    While Free Radio is a good thing, we should take things just one step at a time. I urge all the citizens to get involved in your local chapter of Free Telegraph Berkeley.

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  83. Has no one seen Pump Up The Volume? by nvrrobx · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    This reminds me of that movie a lot.

  84. Pirates or Patriots? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are these Pirates or Patriots?"

    If they are from Pittsburgh, they are Pirates.

    If they are from New England, they are Patriots

    HTH

  85. Re:Comments from someone that had a LPFM station.. by MadHungarian1917 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Speaking as a Ham,

    Sending music over the ham bands using ANY encoding is illegal it was banned back in 1934 as part of the Communications Act.

    Even singing "Happy Birthday" can win you a "Notice of Apparent Violation" from your friendly local fed.

  86. Internet anyone? by Saiai+Hakutyoutani · · Score: 1

    I think this is what Shoutcast and Icecast are for. While it certainly is cool to build analog transmitters (in the same way "Robot wars" is cool), it's not really necessary in countries that are online. Providing one uses an exceptionally good codec, of course. Speex or Vorbis can achieve a lot.

  87. Civil disobedence works only if gov wants it to. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 4, Insightful

    """there are too many, they can't get us all" is not a valid way to go about changing things, especially when the penalties are harsh like the penalties for FCC violations.""

    1. actually it kind of is. it's one of the reasons civil disobedience can work.


    Civil disobedience rarely works - and when it does it's because a big section of the power structure wants it to.

    Re "too many microbroadcasters": Back in the '60s people thought that if enough people smoked dope and took other drugs it would saturate the justice system and lead to legalization of recreational pharmaceuticals. (Just as it was perceived had happened with liquor prohibition.) Four decades later we find that instead the government retooled for a self-funding "Drug War" on the model of the Spanish Inquisition and used it to debug legal tools that can be used for other forms of oppression.

    If civil disobedience by the bulk of the largest generation in US history can't prevail, what chance do the relative handfull of small-broadcast operators have?

    The poster children for Civil Disobedience are Ghandi and King.

    Ghandi gets kudos because of the perceived success of his work in India. But a major fraction of the British Parlement already wanted to dismantle the empire, and especially to unload India as a colony that cost more than it paid. Ghandi gave them good PR for portraying their opposition as monsters and thus getting their way.

    Very few people remember that, before he succeeded in India he tried the same approach in South Africa - with no success whatsoever. They also forget his prescription for what the Jews should do about the NAZIs: Commit mass suicide in protest.

    As for the good Doctor Martin: Blacks got the vote at the end of the Civil War, but had it taken away by the Jim Crow laws. The freedom rides and the other passive resistance enabled LBJ to put one over on the generally pro-segregation Democratic party by passing the Civil Rights laws - but implementation of those were mandated by the courts to occur at "All Deliberate Speed" - which meant "never". What finally did the trick was the cities burning in '68. Immediately afterward the civil rights laws acquired some teeth and the blacks got the vote for real. WHAT a coincidence!

    Then the media raised King to hero status - in order to eclipse the likes of H. Rap Brown, Malcom X, and Charlie Thomas. And the blacks have since been "helped" back into underclass status by "programs" that destroyed their family structure and educational opportunities - to the point that they actually peition the government to be futher disempowered.

    Just like veterans got the vote after Shay's and the Whiskey rebellion, women after the temperance movement started smashing bars, and 18-20 year olds after the anti-Vietnam-War riots and bombings. Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun - and at the end of a club, and in a firebomb.

    Passive resistance techniques such as civil disobedience are often a useful, and sometimes necessary, early step. They let you acquire the moral high ground. But passive resistance by itself doesn't prevail.

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    Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
  88. Yes, the official LPFM does by HarveyBirdman · · Score: 1

    But the ARTICLE talks about "taking back" the airwaves and doing things to get the FCC coming round your house.

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    --- Ban humanity.
  89. I live right near it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I live in the 94709 zip code, just a couple of blocks away from this. I never heard of it, though. There's a bunch of construction going on in Live Oak Park (which is 1 block further up Walnut St.) in case anyone cares.

    The area near 1442 Walnut St. is called the Gourmet Ghetto, lots of restraunts.

  90. The understaffed FCC would be powerless to shut th by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The understaffed FCC would be powerless to shut them down"

    The FCC also wouldn't give a shit. These microbroadcasters will amount to nothing, a drop in the bucket filled with mega radio broadcasters. If any microbroadcasters become popular, they will no longer be micro. To stay under the radar, they must stay unpopular. To stay unpopular, they must remain as crap as which they begin. And no one will care.

  91. I like my women.. by billn · · Score: 1

    I like my women like I like my radio..
    .. amplitude modulated.
    .. regulated not to interfere with others.
    .. if you don't like what she's saying, change the station.
    .. not one of Clear Channels' whores.
    .. she goes off the air at midnight and stays quiet while I sleep.
    .. AM may not sound pretty, but at least it's not dumb.

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    - billn
  92. Re:Civil disobedence works only if gov wants it to by ed__ · · Score: 1

    (this is a bit rough, i don't have the time to flesh it out any better or make it shorter)

    i agree that when civil disobedience works, it does so because a large section of the power structure wants it to. but i betcha we have different views of what constitutes the power structure.

    hmmm if i recall correctly, he was successful in south africa in winning recognition of indian mariages and abolition of the poll tax (on asiatics). (the major criticism of his work in SA was that it wasn't on the behalf of or in cooperation with the (native) african peoples: i have seen him called a racist).

    the whole point of his non-violent resistance was to get the british on his side...to convert them, and make continuation of their occupation unprofitable. the british needed the indian people (to perform society's normal chores, prepare exports, etc); gandhi hoped to take the indian people away from them by simply getting a large group of people to not cooperate with the government. and i agree there were certainly many other factors at play which lead to indian independence.

    he really can't be faulted for people wanting their heros to be perfect. real life is much less decisive than one would hope.

    saying political power grows out of violence/martial power is a simplification: political power grows out of a majority of the will of a group of people (including the government and people...note that one group is usually larger numerically, but the government has more at its disposal concentrated in fewer people making it more efficient to act. the power they do wield though is in terms of resources and people, and this is also their achilles heel; the people must ultimately consent to be governed: using violence to extract consent works up to a point, but has diminishing returns. disinformation is probably a better method). i can think of a good number of situations when violence to effect a change didn't succeed, and merely balkanized the parties (name me some.).

    another complication is the fact that people and the government are not wholly separate, they are part of a society and the views of the whole can and do change (unless you think the illuminati and the trilateral commission control everything according to a plan formalated 1000's of years ago). moreover people are generally not rational beings (not even with respect to their own greed and self-preservation), so appeals to justice and emotion and natural rights (like gandhi's) can work. (if you want to be cynical then reword it as 'so appeals to emotion are another avenue of attack').

    the real world is complicated. that's all.

    saying types of political power come from violence or military power doesn't bother me, but saying that it simply comes from that isn't realistic and it is a model which will limit your ability to act and react against others.

  93. distributed broadcasting? by utexaspunk · · Score: 1

    Part 15 of the FCC regulations allow the unlicensed broadcast within the FM band using devices producing less than .01 microwatts (coverage radius around 200 ft) This usually only gets used for devices like those little FM transmitters that let you listen to your portable devices in your car.

    What I'm wondering is if anyone has considered using an array of these devices, tuned to the same frequency, scattered across a city or campus, and connected to computers/devices streaming audio from the internet to effectively create a distributed FM radio station. It doesn't seem like it would violate FCC rules.

    Say some friends of mine and I collaborate to create an internet radio station and we just happen to want to listen to it on our stereos in our dorm rooms, which happen to be scattered across campus, and we happen to be too lazy to run patch cables from our computers to our stereos, so we use ultra-low power FM transmitters instead. Anything wrong with that?

    How about creating small, specialized hardware that just serve this purpose? I imagine little box that use the unlicensed portion of the spectrum (wi-fi) to repeat the digital signal and simultaneously broadcast the FM signal on a fixed frequency.

    In fact, one may well decide to exceed the legal limits at this point, as it could be so decentralized as to impede any prosecution anyway...