I would think this would be great for Lindows users.
This would make it cheap to make a dual-boot computer! I wouldn't mind having a Lindows computer for some daily work and piddling around. I would setup the dual-booting for games that only run on Windows. I could see paying $50 for it, but not $200...
I use a Procmail Sanitizer script to detect dangerous attachments, and it quarantines them, or it can strip them off all together. So, if someone sends my kids a potential virus, I get to inspect it myself, rather than trust my 9 and 11 year olds to deal with it!
I have a domain hosted on our company's computer, but rather than bugging the sysadmin (also the President of the company!) for this and that setup, I bring it down to my own computer with Fetchmail, and I can setup my server with whatever controls (SpamAssassin, for instance) I want.
I use Exim on my home network. It runs on my firewall machine (yeah, I know... probably not the safest thing to do, but port 25 is blocked from coming in... it's local only) so that my wife, kids and I can use it as our SMTP server, to quickly send stuff out. I also use Fetchmail, SpamAssassin, and Procmail to filter spam and nasty attachments. We use IMAP, so everything gets backed up from one place.
I use Exim, because when I installed it with Debian, it asked about 5 reasonable questions, and then it just ran. That's it. There's no point in trying to learn Sendmail's complex file format, when we only need to serve 4 users. It's a great way to get an e-mail server up and running quickly for a small network. I was quite surprised, though, about the post above that said they use it for 1/2 million messages a day! I didn't know it could handle such a big load!
>>> I can't read anything into that chapter... doesn't make any sense to me.
The clue to the chapter is in Rev 17, where the Mystery of Babylon explained...
(from the New International Version:)
"This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits. 10They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for a little while. 11The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction.
12"The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but who for one hour will receive authority as kings along with the beast. 13They have one purpose and will give their power and authority to the beast. 14They will make war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will overcome them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings--and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers."
So, it isn't a 7-headed, 10-horned monster, but the beast represents 10 kings (apparently reigning concurrently), and the 7 horns represent kings of the past (from our perspective). The "eighth king", also mentioned as the "little horn" in the book of Daniel, is commonly called "The Antichrist". He deposes three of the kings and sets himself up above the remaining of the other seven (or six, if he was one of the 10). So, this is predicting that the world will eventually be divided into 10 "kingdoms" (countries), and the "beast" (the most evil tyrrant the world has ever seen) will take over the whole world, and will be worshipped as God.
So, it's not so "senseless" if you see the explanations of the visions that are very often contained in the text of Revelation itself. It's talking about the politics of world domination, and the future "kings" (leaders, in our speech) who will rise up to take over the world, including the final, evil man-king, a.k.a. "The Antichrist".
>>> Put these together, and it seems clear that the mark spoken of by John is one with distinct religious significance, and visibly signifies whether one is with the Beast or not. So while implanted GPS units are a Bad Idea, they likely do not fit the criteria for whatever the "Mark of the Beast" would be.
Unless they stick out... a grain of rice sized object (the VeriChip) under the skin would still stick out and still be visible to the eye.
And, why merely have a "mark" to buy or sell? The mark makes much more sense when combined with the cashless society. How could you possibly prevent people from buying or selling without it? If it gave them access to their MONEY.
As far as the religious significance, it is widely believed that in order to take it, one has to pledge complete allegiance to the "beast" (both a man and a country, as explained in the book of Rev. itself, for one of the above posters), to include WORSHIPPING him.
It has probably been posted on Slashdot before (and been thoroughly pooh-poohed), but "Digital Angel" sounds an awful lot like the "Digital Demon" mentioned in Revelation chapter 13, the "Mark of the Beast" (666). In Rev. 13, everyone is required to get a mark before they can buy or sell.
It seems odd that John would come up with the idea that you would have to have a mark (I'm told it means "etching, as with a needle" in the Greek, but I'm sure some Greek-speaking-geek here can probably shoot that down if it isn't correct) to buy and sell. I'm sure he was thinking of it as a tatoo that they would merely look at, before allowing you to use your cash. He probably wasn't thinking of a "cashless society", but I've often heard people talk about the benefits of a cashless society (thwart drug-dealers, kidnappers, extortion rings, etc). Supposedly, we'd all start with a "debit card" arrangement. But they could be stolen or forged. An implanted chip would be harder to fake.
As a starting point to mandatory chipping, I've heard people suggest that you would chip criminals, aliens, and of course, "the scum of the earth".... gun owners! If you want to own a gun, you must get a tracking chip! Small price to pay for a "privilege" that the government lets you have...
I'm not saying that D.A. would be the Mark, just that it sounds hauntingly familiar... that similar technology could be used for that purpose.
So most readers here probably don't read or believe the Bible, but if you see it happen someday..... think about it.
We have had expanded digital cable for about three months, but we might get rid of it. We never seem to have time to watch it, anyway.
But when we watch American TV, we usually watch something on History or Discovery (but, not enough probably to justify the price we pay for it!).
My wife is Korean, and we have been teaching my kids Korean, so we have two or three Korean programs we watch each week (sitcoms, dramas). We rent them from the Korean grocery store for $.50 for about two hours worth. That's our "family" TV watching time. The kids get to practice their listening skills, and we talk about what is going on during the show (I learned Korean in the USAF).
As I said in my original post, they manage to "sneak" in a little cartoon time, and we have let that slide. But we constantly talk to them about how they are being marketed to, etc.
You are correct about the TV commercials on the "non-kid" TV. We talk about those, sometimes, when they come on.
"Dad, we REALLY need one of those!"
"Nah, we've lived many years without one, and I don't see us needing one, or affording one, anytime soon!"
I played War Games growing up, and I'm surprised my boy doesn't play more of that type, but he has a more mellow personality.
Actually, though, I don't let my son play with toy guns, because guns aren't toys. He does have a.22, though, that he shoots when he comes to the range with me. It's locked in a safe, and he doesn't get to touch it unless he's out with me.
I listen to Rush Limbaugh (sometimes), never NPR, and I like Lipton Tea with Lemon Juice, but I've been known to drink herbal tea when offered. My drink of choice, which I'm trying to kick, is Diet Dr. Pepper.
(Even though wrong, I thought your reply was kind of funny.)
I don't let my kids watch cartoons at all in our house (except for certain, pre-selected "movie-type" videos). When they go to friends' houses, they watch them, but we really don't want them to. We would rather them go to their friends houses and play (non-video) games and build relationships with other human beings.
But, there are several reasons why we don't let them watch cartoons on TV:
1) They are a waste of time. 2) They are "mind-swill". 3) They are a primary means of marketing toys and teaching my kids rampant materialism. I want my kids to want a toy because they see it and think it is cool or useful, not because they were mesmerized by a commercial to buy it. 4) It is too passive. I'd rather have them playing with their toys together inside, or playing with their friends outside. 5) They can always read more books.
I've discussed these things with my kids, and they understand them, but they still want to watch the cartoons. When they do get a chance to watch them (like when they go to grandpa's house... he lives in Iowa, and TV watching doesn't seem to be such a looked-down on thing there), I usually let them get away with watching a few hours of them on a Saturday morning, hoping they will get it out of their systems.
I think my kids have become the better for it. I think they are better rounded than most kids their ages.
... a few years ago because he could "Check his own e-mail" !!! I'm not kidding !!!
On the news of his joining Apple, at first I thought, "Oh, no! I just bought an Apple!" but then I remembered that I really don't like Jobs either, and still bought it. I bought it for the technology, not the people in the company.
I wonder how this beta will compare with the hardware-accelerated X-Darwin that is coming (4.3)...
The last XDarwin would run KDE 3.0.7 just fine, but the Apple beta would freeze the whole machine when I ran it... that's the primary reason I want X11 (and for Gimp...)
Wrong. The people brought what they had WILLINGLY. There was no TAXING authority over the early Christians. When Annanias and Saphira (sp?) held back some of their money, they were told "Wasn't the property yours to begin with? And once sold, didn't you have the right to do what you wanted with it?" They weren't KILLED by God for not sharing, they were KILLED because they kept back some of the money, and said it was ALL of it.
Not because my kids don't get one... wouldn't take it if they did. Am I p@#$@# because the NEA keeps whining about not having enough money to educate kids, and they spend lavish money like this on this kind of program, yes. If our education system was producing some half-way decent results, then I guess it would be harder to argue against a program like this (though I still don't think the govt. has business in education at all).
I used to work at a company that sold computers to the public schools. We also maintained them. After spending millions upon millions of dollars on the computers, most of them sat running screen savers, because the teachers didn't know how to use them, or they just slapped "educational" games on them to baby-sit the kids, and so they didn't have to teach as much.
Should you not like the way your tax dollars are spent, vote for a different official, make your opinions heard in a public forum, or (worst case) leave your region.
I thought I WAS voicing my opinion in a public forum
I question your character if you honestly begrudge children an opportunity to learn more effectively and with greater joy.
There it is! Yes, you're right. I'm AGAINST education. I actually WANT kids to be STUPID! Everytime someone questions expenditures for the public school, they are AGAINST education. That begs the question of whether kids are truly being EDUCATED in schools! That also begs the question of whether handing them a computer does anything to EDUCATE them...
You sound like you need a hug.
I suppose that would be nice after getting SCREWED on taxes again this year!
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I just started using Macs, after using Windows and Linux for years...
I'll pay the extra, because I don't have to screw around with it to get stuff to work the way I want, like I did Linux and Windows.
Call it "dumb" if you like, but it works for me. I'm not "dumb", but I'll admit to be "cheap" (hoping for cheaper upgrade this time around...)
dochood
Point! Now would be the time to do it, and it would give me latitude if I decide to buy another used Mac in the future.
dochood
Don't they mean the new version is BASED on 5.0...? It was an earlier version before (4.7? 4.8?)
dochood
Ugh!
Another upgrade! I just bought Jaguar for one machine about two months ago!
Got to do it, though.... too much cool stuff in Panther to just pass by.
dochood
"I've got too much... time on my hands, and it's ticking away with my SANITY!"
(Okay, I admit! I'm jealous!)
dochood
My favorite "boss acronyms" were for FTP and SCCS....
"Did you make sure to RTP the files to CSSC?"
(I was like...... huh?)
dochood
I would think this would be great for Lindows users.
This would make it cheap to make a dual-boot computer! I wouldn't mind having a Lindows computer for some daily work and piddling around. I would setup the dual-booting for games that only run on Windows. I could see paying $50 for it, but not $200...
I'm not a big Microsoft fan, but I am a game fan.
dochood
It gets even better!
I use a Procmail Sanitizer script to detect dangerous attachments, and it quarantines them, or it can strip them off all together. So, if someone sends my kids a potential virus, I get to inspect it myself, rather than trust my 9 and 11 year olds to deal with it!
I have a domain hosted on our company's computer, but rather than bugging the sysadmin (also the President of the company!) for this and that setup, I bring it down to my own computer with Fetchmail, and I can setup my server with whatever controls (SpamAssassin, for instance) I want.
dochood
I use Exim on my home network. It runs on my firewall machine (yeah, I know... probably not the safest thing to do, but port 25 is blocked from coming in... it's local only) so that my wife, kids and I can use it as our SMTP server, to quickly send stuff out. I also use Fetchmail, SpamAssassin, and Procmail to filter spam and nasty attachments. We use IMAP, so everything gets backed up from one place.
I use Exim, because when I installed it with Debian, it asked about 5 reasonable questions, and then it just ran. That's it. There's no point in trying to learn Sendmail's complex file format, when we only need to serve 4 users. It's a great way to get an e-mail server up and running quickly for a small network. I was quite surprised, though, about the post above that said they use it for 1/2 million messages a day! I didn't know it could handle such a big load!
dochood
>>> I can't read anything into that chapter ... doesn't make any sense to me.
The clue to the chapter is in Rev 17, where the Mystery of
Babylon explained...
(from the New International Version:)
"This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits. 10They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for a little while. 11The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction.
12"The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but who for one hour will receive authority as kings along with the beast. 13They have one purpose and will give their power and authority to the beast. 14They will make war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will overcome them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings--and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers."
So, it isn't a 7-headed, 10-horned monster, but the beast represents 10 kings (apparently reigning concurrently), and the 7 horns represent kings of the past (from our perspective). The "eighth king", also mentioned as the "little horn" in the book of Daniel, is commonly called "The Antichrist". He deposes three of the kings and sets himself up above the remaining of the other seven (or six, if he was one of the 10). So, this is predicting that the world will eventually be divided into 10 "kingdoms" (countries), and the "beast" (the most evil tyrrant the world has ever seen) will take over the whole world, and will be worshipped as God.
So, it's not so "senseless" if you see the explanations of the visions that are very often contained in the text of Revelation itself. It's talking about the politics of world domination, and the future "kings" (leaders, in our speech) who will rise up to take over the world, including the final, evil man-king, a.k.a. "The Antichrist".
dochood
Sorry, I meant to say "both a man and a CITY" (sitting on 7 hills) not "a man and a country"
dochood
I agree whole-heartedly! Chips in the body, especially GPS trackers, whether M.O.T.B. or not, are a bad idea, even from a mere privacy perspective!
;)
I also agree about the Amish way of life. There's a lot to be said for it.
I would become Amish, if they would let me keep my guns and my Mac! I could give up everything else electronic!
dochood
>>> Put these together, and it seems clear that the mark spoken of by John is one with distinct religious significance, and visibly signifies whether one is with the Beast or not. So while implanted GPS units are a Bad Idea, they likely do not fit the criteria for whatever the "Mark of the Beast" would be.
Unless they stick out... a grain of rice sized object (the VeriChip) under the skin would still stick out and still be visible to the eye.
And, why merely have a "mark" to buy or sell? The mark makes much more sense when combined with the cashless society. How could you possibly prevent people from buying or selling without it? If it gave them access to their MONEY.
As far as the religious significance, it is widely believed that in order to take it, one has to pledge complete allegiance to the "beast" (both a man and a country, as explained in the book of Rev. itself, for one of the above posters), to include WORSHIPPING him.
That's my take on it.
Thanks for the help with the definition, though!
dochood
It has probably been posted on Slashdot before (and been thoroughly pooh-poohed), but "Digital Angel" sounds an awful lot like the "Digital Demon" mentioned in Revelation chapter 13, the "Mark of the Beast" (666). In Rev. 13, everyone is required to get a mark before they can buy or sell.
It seems odd that John would come up with the idea that you would have to have a mark (I'm told it means "etching, as with a needle" in the Greek, but I'm sure some Greek-speaking-geek here can probably shoot that down if it isn't correct) to buy and sell. I'm sure he was thinking of it as a tatoo that they would merely look at, before allowing you to use your cash. He probably wasn't thinking of a "cashless society", but I've often heard people talk about the benefits of a cashless society (thwart drug-dealers, kidnappers, extortion rings, etc). Supposedly, we'd all start with a "debit card" arrangement. But they could be stolen or forged. An implanted chip would be harder to fake.
As a starting point to mandatory chipping, I've heard people suggest that you would chip criminals, aliens, and of course, "the scum of the earth".... gun owners! If you want to own a gun, you must get a tracking chip! Small price to pay for a "privilege" that the government lets you have...
I'm not saying that D.A. would be the Mark, just that it sounds hauntingly familiar... that similar technology could be used for that purpose.
So most readers here probably don't read or believe the Bible, but if you see it happen someday..... think about it.
dochood
We have had expanded digital cable for about three months, but we might get rid of it. We never seem to have time to watch it, anyway.
But when we watch American TV, we usually watch something on History or Discovery (but, not enough probably to justify the price we pay for it!).
My wife is Korean, and we have been teaching my kids Korean, so we have two or three Korean programs we watch each week (sitcoms, dramas). We rent them from the Korean grocery store for $.50 for about two hours worth. That's our "family" TV watching time. The kids get to practice their listening skills, and we talk about what is going on during the show (I learned Korean in the USAF).
As I said in my original post, they manage to "sneak" in a little cartoon time, and we have let that slide. But we constantly talk to them about how they are being marketed to, etc.
You are correct about the TV commercials on the "non-kid" TV. We talk about those, sometimes, when they come on.
"Dad, we REALLY need one of those!"
"Nah, we've lived many years without one, and I don't see us needing one, or affording one, anytime soon!"
dochood
Wow! You got me all wrong!
.22, though, that he shoots when he comes to the range with me. It's locked in a safe, and he doesn't get to touch it unless he's out with me.
I'm a Conservative/Libertarian, not a Liberal!
I played War Games growing up, and I'm surprised my boy doesn't play more of that type, but he has a more mellow personality.
Actually, though, I don't let my son play with toy guns, because guns aren't toys. He does have a
I listen to Rush Limbaugh (sometimes), never NPR, and I like Lipton Tea with Lemon Juice, but I've been known to drink herbal tea when offered. My drink of choice, which I'm trying to kick, is Diet Dr. Pepper.
(Even though wrong, I thought your reply was kind of funny.)
dochood
I don't let my kids watch cartoons at all in our house (except for certain, pre-selected "movie-type" videos). When they go to friends' houses, they watch them, but we really don't want them to. We would rather them go to their friends houses and play (non-video) games and build relationships with other human beings.
But, there are several reasons why we don't let them watch cartoons on TV:
1) They are a waste of time.
2) They are "mind-swill".
3) They are a primary means of marketing toys and teaching my kids rampant materialism. I want my kids to want a toy because they see it and think it is cool or useful, not because they were mesmerized by a commercial to buy it.
4) It is too passive. I'd rather have them playing with their toys together inside, or playing with their friends outside.
5) They can always read more books.
I've discussed these things with my kids, and they understand them, but they still want to watch the cartoons. When they do get a chance to watch them (like when they go to grandpa's house... he lives in Iowa, and TV watching doesn't seem to be such a looked-down on thing there), I usually let them get away with watching a few hours of them on a Saturday morning, hoping they will get it out of their systems.
I think my kids have become the better for it. I think they are better rounded than most kids their ages.
dochood
.... all packets originating from Microsoft Windows machines?
dochood
... a few years ago because he could "Check his own e-mail" !!! I'm not kidding !!!
On the news of his joining Apple, at first I thought, "Oh, no! I just bought an Apple!" but then I remembered that I really don't like Jobs either, and still bought it. I bought it for the technology, not the people in the company.
dochood
I wonder how this beta will compare with the hardware-accelerated X-Darwin that is coming (4.3)...
The last XDarwin would run KDE 3.0.7 just fine, but the Apple beta would freeze the whole machine when I ran it... that's the primary reason I want X11 (and for Gimp...)
I'm dowloading the new Apple beta now...
dochood
Sssssppppppaaaaacccccceeeeee Ggggghhhhooosssstttt !!!
Lots of things "should" happen... but we'll all go broke if the government tries to pay for all of them.
Ok. I usually hear the comparison from people who compare the Apostles with Marx & Lenin, and THAT gets me hot-n-bothered!
dochood
Wrong. The people brought what they had WILLINGLY. There was no TAXING authority over the early Christians. When Annanias and Saphira (sp?) held back some of their money, they were told "Wasn't the property yours to begin with? And once sold, didn't you have the right to do what you wanted with it?" They weren't KILLED by God for not sharing, they were KILLED because they kept back some of the money, and said it was ALL of it.
Not because my kids don't get one... wouldn't take it if they did. Am I p@#$@# because the NEA keeps whining about not having enough money to educate kids, and they spend lavish money like this on this kind of program, yes. If our education system was producing some half-way decent results, then I guess it would be harder to argue against a program like this (though I still don't think the govt. has business in education at all).
I used to work at a company that sold computers to the public schools. We also maintained them. After spending millions upon millions of dollars on the computers, most of them sat running screen savers, because the teachers didn't know how to use them, or they just slapped "educational" games on them to baby-sit the kids, and so they didn't have to teach as much. I thought I WAS voicing my opinion in a public forum There it is! Yes, you're right. I'm AGAINST education. I actually WANT kids to be STUPID! Everytime someone questions expenditures for the public school, they are AGAINST education. That begs the question of whether kids are truly being EDUCATED in schools! That also begs the question of whether handing them a computer does anything to EDUCATE them...
I suppose that would be nice after getting SCREWED on taxes again this year!
dochood