Can you back up your claim with specific numbers and details of problems, or are you just spouting FUD?
I bought a brandnew laptop (HP), it took hours before I could use it (I think it was slightly over 2 Hrs) since it 'installed' from the 'rescue partition'. Then I had not a single productivity app available - OK, not a problem but I had to download OOo Firefox and a bunch of development tools and install them, which took some time too.
I clicked on the shutdown button in the menu. When I tried to fire it up again after a few hours, the battery was empty, Vista shut down due to power failure and the disks had to be checked by the next reboot (about 15-20 minutes). I didn't know that shutdown meant 'hibernate' and that hibernate did not work properly on that laptop. (I'm not sure whether the initial shutdown did a suspend or an hibernate, the PC did not wake up from hibernate, however)
The first DVD played with frequent (about once every 10 minutes) interuptions (about one second duration). Second DVD same thing. Third DVD after pause gave sound but no more image (black screen). No reboot, reload of DVD helped.
Once when it booted, the AV decided it was an opportune moment to start checking every file. It became nearly unworkable. So instead of taking my shiny new laptop to the garden to do some work, I took my 3 year old one with less features but a reasonable OS (Kubuntu) installed on it and got the urgent job done.
So, after all these happy experiences, I decided I had other things to do than demonstrating how slick, productive, enterprisy and powerfull Bill's and Steve's latest and greatest was. So I upgraded to the latest Kubuntu. An hour and a half later I had a working system that really helps me getting my job done. Sorry, the webcam does not work yet. Haven't tried really.
When five or six major OEMs start to offer a linux distro
The main issue is that it is now possible to buy a preinstalled desktop/laptop. Which effectively lowers the treshold considerably for entry by less tech savy customers.
A second, very important point is that the perception changes: Linux on the desktop, and Ubuntu in particular, are now enterprise ready because one of the big names offers them. And with optional support.
This is mostly out of frustration that MS can dominate a market with - in my opinion - inferior products. I recently had some discussions with coworkers on using Linux. They are programmers.
One dismissed Linux because he had read on one (1) forum that somebody said the Gimp was not as good as Photoshop.
Another because he could not find his way around the configuration settings of Gnome/Ubuntu. But at least he tried.
The reality I'm speaking about is that of the market place. Large numbers of customers pay a lot of money for an indequate system that 'just works'. Provided you don't catch viruses, install keyloggers, rootkits etc, that you think a max of 2 remote logins on a server will always be enough for anybody, that 2 hours a week your system becomes crippled because some virus scanner hogs the processor and disks.
And I couldn't care less what somebody else chooses, except that it has a negative impact on my experience:
spam from botnets
All kind of restrictions to serve some marketing scheme instead of serving the sucker^H^H^H^H^H^H customers. Do we need 6 flavours of Vista?
most clients force (they call it 'provide') a windows PC on me
BTW, I was agreeing with you. Adding a pinch of sarcasm. Glad I could help
So let me see if I've got this straight:...
Really, if that's the sort of argument Microsoft are reduced to, I'm surprised the debate has lasted this long.
Welcome in the real world. It has never been about arguments, it's about beliefs, convictions and emotions. The arguments are always chosen to support whatever people already believe. Marketeers understand this very well.
Being analytical is more the exception than the rule.
I'm not a huge fan of PR systems for a couple of reasons. The first is that they tend to put a disproportionate amount of power into the hands of minority interests.
Linux From Scratch guides you through making your own 'distro' from sources.
Its very interesting since it shows how different things work in Linux. However it can be practical for making a minimal system...
For your purpose, Knoppix seems very practical (based on Debian with the easy package management). "Knoppix Hacks" from O'Reilly contains a chapter on remastering the ISO
Well, I would love to have a laptop that works out of the box with everything enabled: wifi, bluetooth, external monitor socket have given me problems.
On desktops Kubuntu rocks...
Can't RTFA (since appear to be/.'d), but I just wonder, how many of these licenses were sold to Dell, Toshiba, HP, etc...
And since there are no more XP, well...
Apparently, they sell even more licenses than Debian, Gentoo and Ubuntu together. Wohoo! Amazing.
Maybe it's just the longest overdue OS release ever. "...4 days to exceed Mac sales and 3 days to exceed Linux desktop users", more like 6 years and 4 or 3 days.
Those MS types don't use that IP pirating, copyright infringing evil empire's so called "search engine". No sir. Did you notice that those evildoers copied the original, innovative look and feel that msn search has pioneered since several weeks?
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I bought a brandnew laptop (HP), it took hours before I could use it (I think it was slightly over 2 Hrs) since it 'installed' from the 'rescue partition'. Then I had not a single productivity app available - OK, not a problem but I had to download OOo Firefox and a bunch of development tools and install them, which took some time too.
I clicked on the shutdown button in the menu. When I tried to fire it up again after a few hours, the battery was empty, Vista shut down due to power failure and the disks had to be checked by the next reboot (about 15-20 minutes). I didn't know that shutdown meant 'hibernate' and that hibernate did not work properly on that laptop. (I'm not sure whether the initial shutdown did a suspend or an hibernate, the PC did not wake up from hibernate, however)
The first DVD played with frequent (about once every 10 minutes) interuptions (about one second duration). Second DVD same thing. Third DVD after pause gave sound but no more image (black screen). No reboot, reload of DVD helped.
Once when it booted, the AV decided it was an opportune moment to start checking every file. It became nearly unworkable. So instead of taking my shiny new laptop to the garden to do some work, I took my 3 year old one with less features but a reasonable OS (Kubuntu) installed on it and got the urgent job done.
So, after all these happy experiences, I decided I had other things to do than demonstrating how slick, productive, enterprisy and powerfull Bill's and Steve's latest and greatest was. So I upgraded to the latest Kubuntu. An hour and a half later I had a working system that really helps me getting my job done. Sorry, the webcam does not work yet. Haven't tried really.
YPMV (Your Perception May Vary)
There is some RFC published, I don't remember the year or number, but it was published on the first day of April
The main issue is that it is now possible to buy a preinstalled desktop/laptop. Which effectively lowers the treshold considerably for entry by less tech savy customers.
A second, very important point is that the perception changes: Linux on the desktop, and Ubuntu in particular, are now enterprise ready because one of the big names offers them. And with optional support.
That's the stupidest thing I have heard since I read /. No, wait,...
True. Bute you can throw Windows out of the virtual computers as often as you like.
IANAL etc, etc. But as far as I remember, the RIAA tactics were:
The plaintiffs never had a chance to defend themselves. The judge apparently found these proceedings not entirely agreeable.
This is mostly out of frustration that MS can dominate a market with - in my opinion - inferior products. I recently had some discussions with coworkers on using Linux. They are programmers.
One dismissed Linux because he had read on one (1) forum that somebody said the Gimp was not as good as Photoshop.
Another because he could not find his way around the configuration settings of Gnome/Ubuntu. But at least he tried.
The reality I'm speaking about is that of the market place. Large numbers of customers pay a lot of money for an indequate system that 'just works'. Provided you don't catch viruses, install keyloggers, rootkits etc, that you think a max of 2 remote logins on a server will always be enough for anybody, that 2 hours a week your system becomes crippled because some virus scanner hogs the processor and disks.
And I couldn't care less what somebody else chooses, except that it has a negative impact on my experience:
BTW, I was agreeing with you. Adding a pinch of sarcasm. Glad I could help
Welcome in the real world. It has never been about arguments, it's about beliefs, convictions and emotions. The arguments are always chosen to support whatever people already believe. Marketeers understand this very well.
Being analytical is more the exception than the rule.
Yeah, but he might be a prostitute in need of representation and 'clientèle' right now?
Profit!!!
Fixed that business plan for you. Y're welcome.
What matters is that the Colonel outranks Private Information and Private ComputerOwner
Hurry! Get this medicine to Andorra before it's too late!
You mean like the interests of these ?
- Moral majority
- AIPAC
- NRA
- Philip Morris ($2,387,480)
- Microsoft ($1,942,751)
Different countries found several workable solutions to that problem of balance the different parties (and special interests).If they hacked any packages in Ubuntu, then yes, they'd have to abide by the GPL
Steve, could you throw me the source code for libevilrootkitchair.so that your company kindly contributed? Please?
Linux From Scratch guides you through making your own 'distro' from sources.
Its very interesting since it shows how different things work in Linux. However it can be practical for making a minimal system...
For your purpose, Knoppix seems very practical (based on Debian with the easy package management). "Knoppix Hacks" from O'Reilly contains a chapter on remastering the ISO
And, just maybe, when Microsoft thinks about "customers," ...
They consistently refer to their customers as "consumers". They want you to buy their products over and over again.
With Linux (currently Kubuntu) I'm a user. And I prefer it that way
Well, I would love to have a laptop that works out of the box with everything enabled: wifi, bluetooth, external monitor socket have given me problems. On desktops Kubuntu rocks...
"You forgot to say "I know I'll be modded down for this." 9/10."
They modded you down for that
That's the point, lot's of distributions don't sell licenses like Debian, Gentoo and Ubuntu. It's very easy to outsell them...
Apparently, they sell even more licenses than Debian, Gentoo and Ubuntu together. Wohoo! Amazing.
Maybe it's just the longest overdue OS release ever. "...4 days to exceed Mac sales and 3 days to exceed Linux desktop users", more like 6 years and 4 or 3 days.
Ye's
I don't need to answer that, do I?
let alone how to use google.
Those MS types don't use that IP pirating, copyright infringing evil empire's so called "search engine". No sir. Did you notice that those evildoers copied the original, innovative look and feel that msn search has pioneered since several weeks?