It held that information to preform a check against data on food cards. Not in the database? You have to pay for the food instead of it being debted to your account.
This is how it was done at Purdue and Indiana University; albiet at Purdue and IU the card swipe was a dumb terminal and the data was stored on the school network, it is still a similar problem.
Stupid, but that seems to be the way things are done at most state universities.
Some people don't want broadband, and just need something now and then to connect to their e-mail.
Or perhaps some people can't get broadband because they live out in the boonies, and don't wish to spend the 500$ for a satalite hookup, then another 80$ a month for access.
Or just maybe some people don't give a damn about getting online.
It is always difficult to get people to understand that just because they are behind a firewall, virus-scanner, and NAT router (etc), they are not necessarily secure. Harder so when you tell people this and their eyes glaze over.
In short, not everyone reads slashdot. Many people going to college, are not going for IT.
As for showing how the system is not secure, that in it's self is difficult to explain to laymen, and sometimes people who do have half a clue. But Messaging, E-mail and the like which is sent plaintext is by no means secure. That is what my first point was about, that unless the system is using SSL, Blowfish, or whatever tickles your fancy in cryptography, it is not going to be secure; and that is half a folly usually on the end user. The other half yes, lays on the system for not implementing the security measures, but they usually are not implemented anyways unless in a high security setting.
It is not a dream to talk to people and see if it is ok to do something first. It is civil. White-hats don't go around and break into systems all willy-nilly, post an article that THEN tells the people what is wrong (The administration as well as possible other types that could use it for much worse causes). They would have contacted the people either before hand, or right after-the-fact. I am NOT calling them Black-hat by any means, but they are not White-hat either. I thing Gray-hat fits here.
As for Altruism on the part of the journalists, I really do doubt that, I think it was more ego masturbation then anything, and people who know the journalists will probably be saying "Sw337, Ur 50 1337". (Sarcasm aside, I really think people will eat up this juvenile way of getting information [Packet sniffing]).
But I also would like to see what happens to them, I hope it's just a slap on the wrist, I really do. But I also don't feel that making them into slashdot saints does any good either.
Thanks for the Counter-Points mate; I always appreciate a good argument.
White-hat my ass, they didn't ask for permission to crack the system first; they did it, THEN told them they did it, how easy it was and oh yea, it was for altruistic purposes.
In this day and age of computers being ubiquitous with education, and many college kids, regardless of what school you end up going to, not knowing damn near the first thing about computer security, rooting a system is hardly an accomplishment. What it is though, is invasion of privacy, more then likely an infringement on the User Agreement which all colleges I've been to have to get on their network, and a really REALLY dumb way of propping yourself up to look cool.
As for What they did, looking into MSN conversations isn't hard, it's plaintext across a network, set up a box to dump all the shit it gets and voila, hours of juicy reading material.
E-mail passwords are also easy to get plaintext, unless the users of the network use some type of security layer, (SSL and the like) otherwise if you go to a normal webmail account, (http://webmail.schooname.com) you send your shit plaintext most of the time, Purdue, BSU, and a few other Indiana schools do that.
The only thing I think that is dumb on the administration's part is having the Closed Circuit Televisions controlled via the internal network, that shit should be on a totally different network, that is the only real folly I see that is just nasty. Otherwise most of the shit is just because people are not security conscious.
Well it isn't going to happen, you -HAVE- to drop change for what you want, as a back-up solution. There really isn't any way around that.
There are many plausible suggestions though that won't break the bank totally. One of course is raid as has been mentioned and will be a few times I imagine. But you may also wish to look into hot swappable solutions.
USB 1.1/2.0, Firewire and SATA are all relatively cheap storage solutions if you shop around (Pricewatch is a good place if you are willing.). You can convert IDE drives to USB with an IDE>USB box, and buy a few decent 200 gig hard drive for around $120~$150. Another could be buy a SATA card and some SATA drive and plug them into the front of your case, SATA 2.0 is hot swappable and the hard drive prices have come down into a decent range.
Now another solution is buy used SCSI, and raid those together, reliable fast and not overly expensive if you don't want 15k RPM.
Another idea is buy another box, place a few hard drives in it, and use that box as your back up, but it's a hassle more so then the rest, but as a plus you can place it somewhere else as an offsite backup and all you have to do is plug it in and your work is ready to go (from the place you most recently backed up.)
...Would fall under that category, and yes, it is illegal in many jurisdictions; without a warrant or permission beforehand. Now just videotaping the conversation, without sound is usually not illegal.
It is understood that it is based upon fact, or at least things that have been seen to point towards fact, but most propaganda is loosely based upon the truth.
My point was that, although serious in that it does poison, it may not do so unless somehow the things you eat contain the chemicals, and unless you are eating animals in the wild, like fish (Which I sadly I am a catch and release fisherman for this reason now), you would not come into eating the chemicals unless you lick your computer monitor, or don't wash your hands after typing on your keyboard before you eat.
As well as a slim possibility of getting enough of the chemical into your body, from not washing your hands; The simple matter is that with bioaccumulation, it may take only one bird of prey consumed to get enough of them chemical, it would take YEARS of licking your computer monitor. Mainly because bioaccumulation starts with small fish, many eaten by larger fish, and many larger fish getting eaten by birds, those birds eaten by birds of prey, and those eaten by humans to get a massive amount.
Although not impossible, it is unlikely.
But thank you, I appreciate the link you've given me.
The capacity of PBDEs to bioaccumulate in fatty tissue and biomagnify up the food chain, in combination with their persistence and toxicity make this class of chemicals of high concern to the environment and human health.
If you eat your pets, you have more problems then just PBDEs
Now the accumilate of this chemical through birds is worrysome, just like what has been happeenign with Mecury and Pesticides, but how much of the article is just scare tactics of few to frighten many?
As all things, before anyone becomes overly worried, research. Afterall it takes some odd 100+ cans of diet Dr pepper with saccharine a day to get possible cancer.
Yes games that allow you to play on OTHER people's servers are more restricted, because it is THEIR servers. Granted there are plenty of public Half-life servers, but they still are indexed by VALVes master server. In doing so they get people playing on their server, and VALVe is assured the people playing on these servers are using legitimate products.
If one has a problem with the 1984 style, then don't play on the servers, instead use other servers like one can use with open battle net. You can connect without any legit CD key, but you also are playing with less people; more then likely. As always a trade off.
As for Steam only downloading the parts you'll "Use in the near future" the author does NOT know what he is talking about. Steam downloads the levels as you play them, yes, aside from the core levels that come with the mod you are playing (or the original game). By core levels I mean, if you download half-life it downloads all the game content you need, but no added developer levels unless you go on a sever that has them, then it downloads them and you keep them on your hard drive.
It is for two reasons. To be gentle on VALVes bandwidth, and also if you never play any other levels/mods (like Counter strike, or Day of defeat) then there is less Hard drive space taken up on your computer.
As for the rest of the author's comments on making everything non-tangible, I doubt that will happen for a few reasons.
One of which is people like to have a product for convince they can grab and install if their system crashes.
Two people would want more for less, if they don't have that solid backup to go back to. Example. Through steam, you either buy the game in the store or get an unlimited subscription to steam, or you pay 5 dollars a month for the same service.
I'd love to hear arguments against what I've said, so please...
out of some odd 83k in the school, only 100k songs in three days?
That is less then 2 songs per person, over three days.
Regardless at least someone is getting a bigger cut (RIAA, Artist, Napster, whatever)
why not filter for greater then certian number of punctuation marks, and in the body filter for anything greater then average letter to punctuation ratio?
Sorry my previous post sounded confusing...
The thing I had thought is, most people use very little punctuation, if any at all. Why not filter out spam by anything with > 3 periods, and/or commas?
But my 60 gig recently bit the dust, and the first thing people told me to do was stick it in the freezer... (just like he did in the article) Of course I naturall say "But that'll kill it."
Slashdot Mirror
It held that information to preform a check against data on food cards. Not in the database? You have to pay for the food instead of it being debted to your account.
This is how it was done at Purdue and Indiana University; albiet at Purdue and IU the card swipe was a dumb terminal and the data was stored on the school network, it is still a similar problem.
Stupid, but that seems to be the way things are done at most state universities.
Then again, I have been known to be wrong.
Check the site.
Firefox is there, under internet, second link.
Some people don't want broadband, and just need something now and then to connect to their e-mail.
Or perhaps some people can't get broadband because they live out in the boonies, and don't wish to spend the 500$ for a satalite hookup, then another 80$ a month for access.
Or just maybe some people don't give a damn about getting online.
Just a thought.
passwd *password*
:)
ctrl+alt+F2 for links2 reading gentoo install book
ctrl+alt+f3 for irc free-node #gentoo
ctrl+alt+f1 for checking install
You just need to know hwo to use the multiple TTYs
... You guys have no limit for your evil. Can I move to Canada?
It is always difficult to get people to understand that just because they are behind a firewall, virus-scanner, and NAT router (etc), they are not necessarily secure. Harder so when you tell people this and their eyes glaze over.
In short, not everyone reads slashdot. Many people going to college, are not going for IT.
As for showing how the system is not secure, that in it's self is difficult to explain to laymen, and sometimes people who do have half a clue. But Messaging, E-mail and the like which is sent plaintext is by no means secure. That is what my first point was about, that unless the system is using SSL, Blowfish, or whatever tickles your fancy in cryptography, it is not going to be secure; and that is half a folly usually on the end user. The other half yes, lays on the system for not implementing the security measures, but they usually are not implemented anyways unless in a high security setting.
It is not a dream to talk to people and see if it is ok to do something first. It is civil. White-hats don't go around and break into systems all willy-nilly, post an article that THEN tells the people what is wrong (The administration as well as possible other types that could use it for much worse causes). They would have contacted the people either before hand, or right after-the-fact. I am NOT calling them Black-hat by any means, but they are not White-hat either. I thing Gray-hat fits here.
As for Altruism on the part of the journalists, I really do doubt that, I think it was more ego masturbation then anything, and people who know the journalists will probably be saying "Sw337, Ur 50 1337". (Sarcasm aside, I really think people will eat up this juvenile way of getting information [Packet sniffing]).
But I also would like to see what happens to them, I hope it's just a slap on the wrist, I really do. But I also don't feel that making them into slashdot saints does any good either.
Thanks for the Counter-Points mate; I always appreciate a good argument.
White-hat my ass, they didn't ask for permission to crack the system first; they did it, THEN told them they did it, how easy it was and oh yea, it was for altruistic purposes.
In this day and age of computers being ubiquitous with education, and many college kids, regardless of what school you end up going to, not knowing damn near the first thing about computer security, rooting a system is hardly an accomplishment. What it is though, is invasion of privacy, more then likely an infringement on the User Agreement which all colleges I've been to have to get on their network, and a really REALLY dumb way of propping yourself up to look cool.
As for What they did, looking into MSN conversations isn't hard, it's plaintext across a network, set up a box to dump all the shit it gets and voila, hours of juicy reading material.
E-mail passwords are also easy to get plaintext, unless the users of the network use some type of security layer, (SSL and the like) otherwise if you go to a normal webmail account, (http://webmail.schooname.com) you send your shit plaintext most of the time, Purdue, BSU, and a few other Indiana schools do that.
The only thing I think that is dumb on the administration's part is having the Closed Circuit Televisions controlled via the internal network, that shit should be on a totally different network, that is the only real folly I see that is just nasty. Otherwise most of the shit is just because people are not security conscious.
Well it isn't going to happen, you -HAVE- to drop change for what you want, as a back-up solution. There really isn't any way around that.
There are many plausible suggestions though that won't break the bank totally. One of course is raid as has been mentioned and will be a few times I imagine. But you may also wish to look into hot swappable solutions.
USB 1.1/2.0, Firewire and SATA are all relatively cheap storage solutions if you shop around (Pricewatch is a good place if you are willing.). You can convert IDE drives to USB with an IDE>USB box, and buy a few decent 200 gig hard drive for around $120~$150.
Another could be buy a SATA card and some SATA drive and plug them into the front of your case, SATA 2.0 is hot swappable and the hard drive prices have come down into a decent range.
Now another solution is buy used SCSI, and raid those together, reliable fast and not overly expensive if you don't want 15k RPM.
Another idea is buy another box, place a few hard drives in it, and use that box as your back up, but it's a hassle more so then the rest, but as a plus you can place it somewhere else as an offsite backup and all you have to do is plug it in and your work is ready to go (from the place you most recently backed up.)
With incremental back-ups it may not be too bad.
Then again you are moving terabytes.
I will miss thee.
...Would fall under that category, and yes, it is illegal in many jurisdictions; without a warrant or permission beforehand. Now just videotaping the conversation, without sound is usually not illegal.
Just a heads up.
It is understood that it is based upon fact, or at least things that have been seen to point towards fact, but most propaganda is loosely based upon the truth.
My point was that, although serious in that it does poison, it may not do so unless somehow the things you eat contain the chemicals, and unless you are eating animals in the wild, like fish (Which I sadly I am a catch and release fisherman for this reason now), you would not come into eating the chemicals unless you lick your computer monitor, or don't wash your hands after typing on your keyboard before you eat.
As well as a slim possibility of getting enough of the chemical into your body, from not washing your hands; The simple matter is that with bioaccumulation, it may take only one bird of prey consumed to get enough of them chemical, it would take YEARS of licking your computer monitor. Mainly because bioaccumulation starts with small fish, many eaten by larger fish, and many larger fish getting eaten by birds, those birds eaten by birds of prey, and those eaten by humans to get a massive amount.
Although not impossible, it is unlikely.
But thank you, I appreciate the link you've given me.
If you eat your pets, you have more problems then just PBDEs
Now the accumilate of this chemical through birds is worrysome, just like what has been happeenign with Mecury and Pesticides, but how much of the article is just scare tactics of few to frighten many?
As all things, before anyone becomes overly worried, research. Afterall it takes some odd 100+ cans of diet Dr pepper with saccharine a day to get possible cancer.
Then again, I could be mis-informed
...Till you realize it's a satire.
And that is exactly what this is.
For more satirical fun, go to SatireWire
3com 3c59x is the option to select under Network>3Com
Albino Black sheep
... Ram. http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/?t=archives&date= 2003-02-14
But is hardly strong enough.
Yes games that allow you to play on OTHER people's servers are more restricted, because it is THEIR servers. Granted there are plenty of public Half-life servers, but they still are indexed by VALVes master server. In doing so they get people playing on their server, and VALVe is assured the people playing on these servers are using legitimate products.
If one has a problem with the 1984 style, then don't play on the servers, instead use other servers like one can use with open battle net. You can connect without any legit CD key, but you also are playing with less people; more then likely. As always a trade off.
As for Steam only downloading the parts you'll "Use in the near future" the author does NOT know what he is talking about. Steam downloads the levels as you play them, yes, aside from the core levels that come with the mod you are playing (or the original game). By core levels I mean, if you download half-life it downloads all the game content you need, but no added developer levels unless you go on a sever that has them, then it downloads them and you keep them on your hard drive.
It is for two reasons. To be gentle on VALVes bandwidth, and also if you never play any other levels/mods (like Counter strike, or Day of defeat) then there is less Hard drive space taken up on your computer.
As for the rest of the author's comments on making everything non-tangible, I doubt that will happen for a few reasons.
One of which is people like to have a product for convince they can grab and install if their system crashes.
Two people would want more for less, if they don't have that solid backup to go back to.
Example. Through steam, you either buy the game in the store or get an unlimited subscription to steam, or you pay 5 dollars a month for the same service.
I'd love to hear arguments against what I've said, so please...
About 6 songs per student. (17k)
That's what I get for knee-jerk posting.
out of some odd 83k in the school, only 100k songs in three days? That is less then 2 songs per person, over three days. Regardless at least someone is getting a bigger cut (RIAA, Artist, Napster, whatever)
why not filter for greater then certian number of punctuation marks, and in the body filter for anything greater then average letter to punctuation ratio? Sorry my previous post sounded confusing...
$?!!!@#!Th.,is./ ??is,!@@ sp!*($am!?..,.,;;:
The thing I had thought is, most people use very little punctuation, if any at all.
Why not filter out spam by anything with > 3 periods, and/or commas?
Quick and simple work around, right?
server is getting a pretty bad spanking.
Musta been naughty.
He does not say may, possibly, or anything of the like, but instead uses will.
Let the MS bashing resume.
determine if the dog really did it.....
But it totally kills the warantee..;)
But my 60 gig recently bit the dust, and the first thing people told me to do was stick it in the freezer... (just like he did in the article) Of course I naturall say "But that'll kill it."
theirs? "It's dead already, idiot"