have read lots - suggest xxx.lanl.org (now possibly Arxiv.org). Search abstract for pioneer or author anderson and nieto. Anderson may not be spelt properly - nieto is.
Note the obvious answer which has not yet been eliminated which I suggested to one of the authors by email to grab my claim to fame - is Planet X - if the planet's orbit is way out of ecliptic plane - try 90 deg you can use the 10^(-8) cm/s^-2 anamoly and a distance to get a mass.
This also partially explains the ragged pattern to the known Kuiper Belt objects orbits - they are disturbed of the ecliptic.
Unfortunately without more data - they are doing the analyis also using the Ulysees probe and the Voyagers (put the powered flight elements make it hard), it is hard to pin down the anomaly enough to set up the calculation to get a reasonably small locus of probability to start searching.
IIRC most of the data comes from analyzing the actual signal received from frequency shifting (doppler and intra-solar system dust). The instruments do not really work much anymore because they are a) old and b) do not have much power.
The gravitional stuff comes mostly from simply locating the beast and comparing the computed trajectory to a theoretical one
>>They've removed a helluva lot more than just drug and hate messages from Google, and not just in Europe and Asia!
Please be a bit more specific.
Thanks
Not such a dumb idea as we all might think (if the business model works at all).
My gf works in supermarket - they now have replaced the dumb registers with "snazzy" new ones - PCs with ports attached to scales and scanner and eftpos machine. If you can sell cycles on hardware that gets moved replaced abused and ignored in a showroom what about maintained hardware in a secure environment. PS: scanning shopping does not use that much of a CPU cycle
For people who have not done lots of number theory ( I have done some and this is mostly over my head),
A very rough analogy:
you know any linear algebra? what a vector space is? a bunch of (simple) objects (the basis set) can describe any object (eg a line) in the (vector) space.
Partly what the Sierpinski test is about is finding a bunch of primes that can be used to describe all numbers of the forms k.2^n+1.
I could be wrong - if so please correct me. These suckers fascinate me (as do all prime number problems)
what about transmeta?
But rather than running in (intel) emulation mode, how about some of you (or maybe me when I can afford the time and money) try and use the VLIW concept to the full. The idea of getting smallish code blocks to execute as single instructions must have some appeal to some fo you speed freaks.
I heard a rumour that some work was done in the USSR on hardware/software using trinary logic (yes/no/doesn't matter) - does anyone know if it true?
I do - just googled it myself http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe =UTF-8&q=ternary+logic+ussr
OK - has anyone done much reading of this and would like to enlighten me/us?
a) The shuttle cannot get anywhere near where it needs to be unless you intend catching the satellite on the way down - very dangerous.
b) why spend USD300m on a shuttle mission that might fail on a satellite worth not much more than that.
Yes they would let you claim it as it is expected to return to earth soon - in a fiery end. You own it all title and risk - guess who who picks up the bill if it hits someone/something?
Claiming it in space - assuming you have already won the X-prize (http://www.xprize.org/), would be a case of sure you have stabilized the orbit but then they use their encrypted command codes to activate it for their own use (and if they aren't encrypting the command codes how stupid are they). So you would also have to change the command software onboard so you could use it. Then they would sue the crap out of you (depending on where in geosync it is parked) - the country on the equator underneath the geo sync park spot. And if you dont think all that ocean is claimed by someone - check out the mad scramble under the Law Of The Sea http://www.un.org/Depts/los/ (which the USA will probably not recognise/abide by - going on past form of never having recognised the existing conventions when it suited them). Or they just send the big boys around and ask nicely for the command codes anyway they know.
If you can get to geosync with a vehicle - hell sit up there and ask them where they want it - cost + 5%, you would a fortune, as well being surreptiously enlisted.
Bought a cheap 2nd hand pc and chose the internal PCI modem - guess what it is a winmodem and until I fork out for a new modem, will need to surf from W95.
European Air War is also excellent after a bad day at work. If they had a Linux port of that, I would buy an external modem no matter what the other half said about wasting money.
Mandrake 9.0 is already installed.
every irreversible computation creates a net increase entropy (the 2nd law of thermodynamics in action) and unless something really weird is going on (eg supernova producing neutrinos just before she blows)you will see it as heat.
Time to start imprvoing the software so the hardware does not have to work so hard, though there is a theoretical limits on the minimum amount of energy required (==> heat produced) to do ANY calculation.
Why the hell does a chip need to use 130W in the first place?
I mean I am sorry but what is going on here.
How soon before I need a heavy duty circuit just to run a new computer?
Sure I understand some information theory, more computation ==> greater entropy ==> heat.
One guy I used to know used to reheat his coffee by leaving it on top of the CPU box of a CSIRO computer in the 70's. Will companies getting rid of big airconditioned ($$$ in rent and electricty) server rooms turn out to have been a mistake in a few years.
Is this why IBM is going to comptuing on demand - because only they can afford to aircondition the new chips being built.
At this rate Transmeta will actually have a market.
GPL - "audit" the studios
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Maybe the FSF should sniff around and see if any of these studios have been altering and selling versions of GIMP for use by other studios out of line with the GPL.
I thought this was a much more interesting story
Quantum encryption
http://www.eet.com/at/news/OEG20021111S0036
"Supposedly at the stage of being rolled out
For its part, MagiQ says that its Navajo system is currently at the alpha stage and promises real beta sites on selected campuses in the United States in the first quarter. Both companies are also talking about secure through-the-air communications with satellites. "
Checklist: a) copy of freenet - yes b) instant messenger aplication yes c) new zealand phone book - yes (online somewhere) d) credit card - yes
Plan: in case of emergency - dial NZ isp and surf from there.
So I have all the tools to get around this piece of idiocy - but WTF should I have to.
When I downloaded Freenet I did not think I was being overly paranoid but wanted to help people in less "liberal" countries. So now I am in one.
When the law & regulations are drafted, you will probably find the federal Attorney-General (a politician) has the power to add sites to the banned list. As is enabled for the anti-terrorist group legislation. But my bet is the law and reg's will not say "sites that promote violence". More like "... when the Attorney-General can identifies a material inimicable to good order...are directed to disable access to said material" - the AFP or ABA will probably be empowered to do the dirty work.
Now there is a delicate balance of power in the (federal) Senate one of whom is a anti- almost everything. How long before the things he is most anti- get added to the list in exchange for votes?
Try this scenario - The Greens (a party with a valuable Senate vote), get linked to one of these sites. The site is shut down. The Greens member(s?) complain (or even if they don't) - they get charged with conspiracy to incite violence. If convicted the elected member(s?) get the boot from parliament and replaced in the Senate - looking at a tight vote would unscrupuluos politicans sink that low? Plus the bad publiicty shafts their public support anyway.
Don't think the High Court will necessarily save us - there has been some case law about implied right to free speech - but when other avenues are available - eg writing letters to the editor, you may not find much sympathy from the judges.
Is gAIM be PGP enabled? If not - is there a plan to? If not let me know how to help.
Any other ways to shaft the proposed rules - my ears are open.
I for one support a range of causes that many people (including our current government) don't like. The Palestinian people have had it rough, some of their own doing, a fair bit by their leaders and the rest by a range of others. Will Intifada news sites be banned? Tibet? GunsNRoses - all those youngun's rioting must have a cause - ban 'em.
Why don't they take a shower and have a sleep before opening their stupid mouths?
I just installed Mandrake 9.0 last night on my crappy PII. As a really slack user it was fine (hell it knew more about the sound card in there than I did).
However, after reading that article, and following a link or two, I realise a number of the articles I selected to be installed are a) of absolutely no use to me, b) are wasting disk space and c) open holes in my security.
Mind you until I run the winmodem rpm from http://www.heby.de/ltmodem I won't have any linux internet security problem.
If the distro's (at least Mandrake in this case) took a little more care and asked a few pointed questions with yes no answers - eg
Will your isp or other host be providing a mail account or do you want this machine acting as a mail server? If you do not understand cancel the install or select web based mail.
Then no mail server would loaded unless you really needed it. And no sendmail holes. Same for Apache and a good whack of what ever else I clicked on because it looked like it might be fun to play with one day.
Perhaps a better question would be - I was in the idiots setup script - Do you plan to use this machine to just surf the net or host a web service?
Dumping sendmail, apache and whatever else would also make the install go faster and stop my girlfriend being so toey about me being on the computer "all night".
Oh yes - found my copy of Space Quest III when digging it boxes of old disks when setting up my "new" second hand machine - it even still worked! Bloody stupid video game
I do not lie or make stuff up, I do make mistakes though (right about power - wrong about US Steel)
Some history and some facts:
http://www.energycentral.com/imcf/307.htm
"Prices on the exchange rose wildly in the summer of 2000 as the power crisis struck. Customers of both PG&E and Edison were protected from the rising rates by state-mandated price controls.
SDG&E customers, however, lost that protection when the utility sold its local electric generating plants and moved to the next phase of deregulation, one that ended price caps for ratepayers.
But after the region reeled from soaring prices, the state Legislature stepped in and capped SDG&E rates again in the fall of 2000."
To keep up to date
http://www.sacbee.com/content/news/energy/
Standard Oil was broken up a long time ago - try this
http://www.cnn.com/TECH/computing/9805/18/monopoly /
I was wrong US Steel was not broken up - looks liek it should have been, at least left uncoddled so it could either evolve or die
improving your game - personal experience
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I was an OK player but did not waster as much of my youth as my brothers.
So to improve:
1) take money
2) play for money - $5/game or drinks
Funny how fat you improve real fast when real cash is at stake
I started the CA power crisis analogy so lets take it for what it is worth.
1) Ask someone in san Diego if their power bills were capped by the CA govt - they weren't, they got charged market rates ("pass-through") on the cost of powerr.
2) microsoft does not let anyone use their "pipe" (OS) as they do, they would have to publish all the api's &/or source code to allow that. Under the licence conditions MS imposes I am not allowed to even find out how it works without paying MS big bucks, so I can't run wire to power my computer properly.
3)"When MS sells you a copy of Windows, you get what they promise" - easy to use? user-friendly? - I am ROFLPML
4) yes proper deregulation without any monopoly would mean more power for CA and lower bills, with big power stations popping up all over the place, huge gas pipelines being dug in across the state, and Ca $ going out of state - this will happen but only after the cost of electricity and gas goes through the roof this winter - $4.35/BTU at the Southern California Border pricing point as at 31 October 2002, and climbing. In analogy this would mean that Microsoft can turn around and demand payment at any time from anyone for any amount they want, you would go from a product provided at a fixed cost forever to a daily lease with cost depending on whatever MS decided to charge that day - ie if Bill needs another million to fly the MS development team to Aspen, guess who is going to pay. With users desperately seeking alternative software to (the new power plant part of the analogy) do the various jobs. Ah no rules, MS changes the api's and auto updates you, all the alternatove software no longer works - this happens. They got a monopoly fine, but play fair. Standard Oil and US Steel would own almost all the USA if the US gov had not broken up these monopolies.
3) FERC wants to set rules for everyone to play by (CA gov doesnt want them). Try no rules - wash trades, 'Death Star' and 'Fat Boy' and more.
Maybe function points rather than lines of code for the estimating the capital base for the regulated return in my earlier post.
MS owe the public responsibility conferred by their monopoly power granted by the public.
Monopolies are granted allowed by governments patent/copyright law which MS uses, but constrained by anti-trust legislation - which has not changed much in 100 years. So do not say they do not know what they were getting into.
I hope you live in california and your lights go out and you freeze when your utility/generators supplying the power/gas goes on strike because you are not paying them enough money.
If MS goes on strike - hmm no virus/anti-hack updates, severe personal/economic damage. Even without a major hack there are possible fatal consequences if hospitals cannot get at records because MS networking has crashed and no MS help is available, or who knows what else.
Electricty and gas infrastructuure is regulated because it is a monopoly. Are they allowed to go on strike? Can they force you to buy gadget XYZ but not ABC because it works better with their electrons? This known as "third-line forcing". Can utilities negotiate any contract with you they want? No - because they have monopoly power. Monopolies are legal - abusing the power it confers is not.
In gas and electric - the costs, methods and detailed procedures for using the system must be published and easily available to anyone who wants them (in US and Australia at least). El Paso is in trouble in part for not telling shippers (customers) how to get more use of their system at lower cost - which by law they are required to do.
What do you think of this for MS - add up the lines of code, multiply by a benchmark cost per line, multiply by a WACC (weighted average cost of capital for MS)= maximum allowed revenue per product. As is basically done for gas pipelines/electric transmission lines.
Slashdot Mirror
Try this The URL for this search is http://lanl.arXiv.org/find/astro-ph/1/abs:+pioneer /0/1/0/2001/0/1
have read lots - suggest xxx.lanl.org (now possibly Arxiv.org). Search abstract for pioneer or author anderson and nieto. Anderson may not be spelt properly - nieto is. Note the obvious answer which has not yet been eliminated which I suggested to one of the authors by email to grab my claim to fame - is Planet X - if the planet's orbit is way out of ecliptic plane - try 90 deg you can use the 10^(-8) cm/s^-2 anamoly and a distance to get a mass. This also partially explains the ragged pattern to the known Kuiper Belt objects orbits - they are disturbed of the ecliptic. Unfortunately without more data - they are doing the analyis also using the Ulysees probe and the Voyagers (put the powered flight elements make it hard), it is hard to pin down the anomaly enough to set up the calculation to get a reasonably small locus of probability to start searching.
IIRC most of the data comes from analyzing the actual signal received from frequency shifting (doppler and intra-solar system dust). The instruments do not really work much anymore because they are a) old and b) do not have much power. The gravitional stuff comes mostly from simply locating the beast and comparing the computed trajectory to a theoretical one
>>They've removed a helluva lot more than just drug and hate messages from Google, and not just in Europe and Asia! Please be a bit more specific. Thanks
once the seti people have BOINC running they could ripoff the code
Not such a dumb idea as we all might think (if the business model works at all). My gf works in supermarket - they now have replaced the dumb registers with "snazzy" new ones - PCs with ports attached to scales and scanner and eftpos machine. If you can sell cycles on hardware that gets moved replaced abused and ignored in a showroom what about maintained hardware in a secure environment. PS: scanning shopping does not use that much of a CPU cycle
http://www.lbl.gov/Science-Articles/Archive/NSD-Ka mLAND-Freedman.html
For people who have not done lots of number theory ( I have done some and this is mostly over my head), A very rough analogy: you know any linear algebra? what a vector space is? a bunch of (simple) objects (the basis set) can describe any object (eg a line) in the (vector) space. Partly what the Sierpinski test is about is finding a bunch of primes that can be used to describe all numbers of the forms k.2^n+1. I could be wrong - if so please correct me. These suckers fascinate me (as do all prime number problems)
what about transmeta? But rather than running in (intel) emulation mode, how about some of you (or maybe me when I can afford the time and money) try and use the VLIW concept to the full. The idea of getting smallish code blocks to execute as single instructions must have some appeal to some fo you speed freaks.
I heard a rumour that some work was done in the USSR on hardware/software using trinary logic (yes/no/doesn't matter) - does anyone know if it true? I do - just googled it myself http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe =UTF-8&q=ternary+logic+ussr
OK - has anyone done much reading of this and would like to enlighten me/us?
Russia had a bureaucracy long before there was even a british colony in the new world
a) The shuttle cannot get anywhere near where it needs to be unless you intend catching the satellite on the way down - very dangerous. b) why spend USD300m on a shuttle mission that might fail on a satellite worth not much more than that.
Yes they would let you claim it as it is expected to return to earth soon - in a fiery end. You own it all title and risk - guess who who picks up the bill if it hits someone/something?
Claiming it in space - assuming you have already won the X-prize (http://www.xprize.org/), would be a case of sure you have stabilized the orbit but then they use their encrypted command codes to activate it for their own use (and if they aren't encrypting the command codes how stupid are they). So you would also have to change the command software onboard so you could use it. Then they would sue the crap out of you (depending on where in geosync it is parked) - the country on the equator underneath the geo sync park spot. And if you dont think all that ocean is claimed by someone - check out the mad scramble under the Law Of The Sea http://www.un.org/Depts/los/ (which the USA will probably not recognise/abide by - going on past form of never having recognised the existing conventions when it suited them). Or they just send the big boys around and ask nicely for the command codes anyway they know.
If you can get to geosync with a vehicle - hell sit up there and ask them where they want it - cost + 5%, you would a fortune, as well being surreptiously enlisted.
Bought a cheap 2nd hand pc and chose the internal PCI modem - guess what it is a winmodem and until I fork out for a new modem, will need to surf from W95. European Air War is also excellent after a bad day at work. If they had a Linux port of that, I would buy an external modem no matter what the other half said about wasting money. Mandrake 9.0 is already installed.
every irreversible computation creates a net increase entropy (the 2nd law of thermodynamics in action) and unless something really weird is going on (eg supernova producing neutrinos just before she blows)you will see it as heat.
Time to start imprvoing the software so the hardware does not have to work so hard, though there is a theoretical limits on the minimum amount of energy required (==> heat produced) to do ANY calculation.
Why the hell does a chip need to use 130W in the first place?
I mean I am sorry but what is going on here.
How soon before I need a heavy duty circuit just to run a new computer?
Sure I understand some information theory, more computation ==> greater entropy ==> heat.
One guy I used to know used to reheat his coffee by leaving it on top of the CPU box of a CSIRO computer in the 70's. Will companies getting rid of big airconditioned ($$$ in rent and electricty) server rooms turn out to have been a mistake in a few years.
Is this why IBM is going to comptuing on demand - because only they can afford to aircondition the new chips being built.
At this rate Transmeta will actually have a market.
Maybe the FSF should sniff around and see if any of these studios have been altering and selling versions of GIMP for use by other studios out of line with the GPL.
/.?
What sort of penalty may apply if they had?
Anyone from the FSF read
I thought this was a much more interesting story Quantum encryption http://www.eet.com/at/news/OEG20021111S0036 "Supposedly at the stage of being rolled out For its part, MagiQ says that its Navajo system is currently at the alpha stage and promises real beta sites on selected campuses in the United States in the first quarter. Both companies are also talking about secure through-the-air communications with satellites. "
Checklist:
a) copy of freenet - yes
b) instant messenger aplication yes
c) new zealand phone book - yes (online somewhere)
d) credit card - yes
Plan: in case of emergency - dial NZ isp and surf from there.
So I have all the tools to get around this piece of idiocy - but WTF should I have to.
When I downloaded Freenet I did not think I was being overly paranoid but wanted to help people in less "liberal" countries. So now I am in one.
When the law & regulations are drafted, you will probably find the federal Attorney-General (a politician) has the power to add sites to the banned list. As is enabled for the anti-terrorist group legislation. But my bet is the law and reg's will not say "sites that promote violence". More like "... when the Attorney-General can identifies a material inimicable to good order...are directed to disable access to said material" - the AFP or ABA will probably be empowered to do the dirty work.
Now there is a delicate balance of power in the (federal) Senate one of whom is a anti- almost everything. How long before the things he is most anti- get added to the list in exchange for votes?
Try this scenario - The Greens (a party with a valuable Senate vote), get linked to one of these sites. The site is shut down. The Greens member(s?) complain (or even if they don't) - they get charged with conspiracy to incite violence. If convicted the elected member(s?) get the boot from parliament and replaced in the Senate - looking at a tight vote would unscrupuluos politicans sink that low? Plus the bad publiicty shafts their public support anyway.
Don't think the High Court will necessarily save us - there has been some case law about implied right to free speech - but when other avenues are available - eg writing letters to the editor, you may not find much sympathy from the judges.
Is gAIM be PGP enabled? If not - is there a plan to? If not let me know how to help.
Any other ways to shaft the proposed rules - my ears are open.
I for one support a range of causes that many people (including our current government) don't like. The Palestinian people have had it rough, some of their own doing, a fair bit by their leaders and the rest by a range of others. Will Intifada news sites be banned? Tibet? GunsNRoses - all those youngun's rioting must have a cause - ban 'em.
Why don't they take a shower and have a sleep before opening their stupid mouths?
I just installed Mandrake 9.0 last night on my crappy PII. As a really slack user it was fine (hell it knew more about the sound card in there than I did).
However, after reading that article, and following a link or two, I realise a number of the articles I selected to be installed are a) of absolutely no use to me, b) are wasting disk space and c) open holes in my security.
Mind you until I run the winmodem rpm from http://www.heby.de/ltmodem
I won't have any linux internet security problem.
If the distro's (at least Mandrake in this case) took a little more care and asked a few pointed questions with yes no answers - eg
Will your isp or other host be providing a mail account or do you want this machine acting as a mail server? If you do not understand cancel the install or select web based mail.
Then no mail server would loaded unless you really needed it. And no sendmail holes. Same for Apache and a good whack of what ever else I clicked on because it looked like it might be fun to play with one day.
Perhaps a better question would be - I was in the idiots setup script - Do you plan to use this machine to just surf the net or host a web service?
Dumping sendmail, apache and whatever else would also make the install go faster and stop my girlfriend being so toey about me being on the computer "all night".
Oh yes - found my copy of Space Quest III when digging it boxes of old disks when setting up my "new" second hand machine - it even still worked! Bloody stupid video game
I do not lie or make stuff up, I do make mistakes though (right about power - wrong about US Steel) Some history and some facts: http://www.energycentral.com/imcf/307.htm "Prices on the exchange rose wildly in the summer of 2000 as the power crisis struck. Customers of both PG&E and Edison were protected from the rising rates by state-mandated price controls. SDG&E customers, however, lost that protection when the utility sold its local electric generating plants and moved to the next phase of deregulation, one that ended price caps for ratepayers. But after the region reeled from soaring prices, the state Legislature stepped in and capped SDG&E rates again in the fall of 2000." To keep up to date http://www.sacbee.com/content/news/energy/ Standard Oil was broken up a long time ago - try this http://www.cnn.com/TECH/computing/9805/18/monopoly /
I was wrong US Steel was not broken up - looks liek it should have been, at least left uncoddled so it could either evolve or die
I was an OK player but did not waster as much of my youth as my brothers. So to improve: 1) take money 2) play for money - $5/game or drinks Funny how fat you improve real fast when real cash is at stake
I started the CA power crisis analogy so lets take it for what it is worth.
1) Ask someone in san Diego if their power bills were capped by the CA govt - they weren't, they got charged market rates ("pass-through") on the cost of powerr.
2) microsoft does not let anyone use their "pipe" (OS) as they do, they would have to publish all the api's &/or source code to allow that. Under the licence conditions MS imposes I am not allowed to even find out how it works without paying MS big bucks, so I can't run wire to power my computer properly.
3)"When MS sells you a copy of Windows, you get what they promise" - easy to use? user-friendly? - I am ROFLPML
4) yes proper deregulation without any monopoly would mean more power for CA and lower bills, with big power stations popping up all over the place, huge gas pipelines being dug in across the state, and Ca $ going out of state - this will happen but only after the cost of electricity and gas goes through the roof this winter - $4.35/BTU at the Southern California Border pricing point as at 31 October 2002, and climbing. In analogy this would mean that Microsoft can turn around and demand payment at any time from anyone for any amount they want, you would go from a product provided at a fixed cost forever to a daily lease with cost depending on whatever MS decided to charge that day - ie if Bill needs another million to fly the MS development team to Aspen, guess who is going to pay. With users desperately seeking alternative software to (the new power plant part of the analogy) do the various jobs. Ah no rules, MS changes the api's and auto updates you, all the alternatove software no longer works - this happens. They got a monopoly fine, but play fair. Standard Oil and US Steel would own almost all the USA if the US gov had not broken up these monopolies.
3) FERC wants to set rules for everyone to play by (CA gov doesnt want them). Try no rules - wash trades, 'Death Star' and 'Fat Boy' and more.
Maybe function points rather than lines of code for the estimating the capital base for the regulated return in my earlier post.
MS owe the public responsibility conferred by their monopoly power granted by the public. Monopolies are granted allowed by governments patent/copyright law which MS uses, but constrained by anti-trust legislation - which has not changed much in 100 years. So do not say they do not know what they were getting into. I hope you live in california and your lights go out and you freeze when your utility/generators supplying the power/gas goes on strike because you are not paying them enough money. If MS goes on strike - hmm no virus/anti-hack updates, severe personal/economic damage. Even without a major hack there are possible fatal consequences if hospitals cannot get at records because MS networking has crashed and no MS help is available, or who knows what else. Electricty and gas infrastructuure is regulated because it is a monopoly. Are they allowed to go on strike? Can they force you to buy gadget XYZ but not ABC because it works better with their electrons? This known as "third-line forcing". Can utilities negotiate any contract with you they want? No - because they have monopoly power. Monopolies are legal - abusing the power it confers is not. In gas and electric - the costs, methods and detailed procedures for using the system must be published and easily available to anyone who wants them (in US and Australia at least). El Paso is in trouble in part for not telling shippers (customers) how to get more use of their system at lower cost - which by law they are required to do. What do you think of this for MS - add up the lines of code, multiply by a benchmark cost per line, multiply by a WACC (weighted average cost of capital for MS)= maximum allowed revenue per product. As is basically done for gas pipelines/electric transmission lines.