As someone who has taken on the role of "convert everyone to OOo", I hope to hell the interface stays familliar to the other. I want to be able to say, "I'm upgrading your Office to the latest version" and switch to OOo, and not get a bunch of calls asking me how to do something with a newer / different interface.
Your argument about Firefox doesn't hold as much water because of what it is.
The content on a website will for the most part render the same regardless of the browser (I know, if done right that is...). When Firefox came out, it was familliar to anyone who had ever used a browser because most of what they did was within the web page itself. Then once they saw someone else use tabs, or other 'firefox' features, they liked it and couldn't go back to IE. So IE had to implement tabs.
I imagine the same to be true for openoffice. Switch a user, let them find out first hand that even though they never used it before, it is still familliar. Then point out some of the coolness that OOo has which the other one(s) don't. (Massachusetts anyone) I like to see the look on PHB's faces when you tell them they don't own their data/docs. That M$ does. And that they need to continue to pay M$ if they want to keep what they mistakenly thought was theirs in the first place.
hehe
I do allot of math in calc. There are some things that Excel just can't do (like more that 30 parms to a function) that I've had to change to make backwards compatible for the sake of sharing.
I thought you were going to take a different route. You didn't, so I will.
When I was reading through your quoted text from the article, I thought you were going to point out that allot of those problems were fixed by getting the Windows side of things to play nicely (more standard). I wonder that those exchange settings were.
In SuSE, you can use YOU (GUI for online updates) to get the nvidia binary drivers installed and enabled. No config file tweaking. Network browsing has been sucessful right out of the gate. And when things don't work, you have YAST (GUI like control panel) and Control Center to help. Still no config files. KDE's kmail/kontact software is wonderfull. I haven't used evolution myself, but hear lots about it. In fact, the email thing is the BIGGEST reason I haven't switched our normal users computers over to Linux. If Evolution would get their windows client done, I'd switch our users from outlook to evolution, then from IE to firefox, then from M$ Office to OpenOffice. From there, I'd bet I could switch their OS over to Linux, and the user wouldn't even know. Same apps, same OS. Right?
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Very interesting perspective. I would have to agree to the extent that if hired as a "Software Engineer" with board certification, they are also given the power to keep the standard. IOW: (in other words) They are their own managers.
Dentists (tooth engineers) have office managers, but don't answer to them because like you say, they are ultimately responsible for what they do.
The biggest advantage you can have, (aside from doing the porting yourself) is to use laguanges, toolkits, widget sets, etc. that ARE cross-platform. It is good to bone up on coding in a portable fashion. Then, when your looking for someone to port it for you, you can be rest assured that it will be a relativly minor process, mostly compiling and debugging.....
This looks like what I've been waiting for. I didn't see any Office apps (OOo). This might be just the thing to convince my boss to get 2 of. One for him, and one for me to learn how to help him use his....
"This is a silent epidemic of media desensitisation that teaches kids it's OK to diss people because they are a woman, they're a different colour or they're from a different place."
When what we SHOULD be teaching them is it is OK to diss whomever they choose, regardless of race, color, sex, occupation, relation, political view, etc.
You should be able to publish whatever you want, including false statements and sensitive information. That is what slander / liability laws are for. I say give'em enough rope to hang themselves.
Of course this opens up a whole new can of worms, and, even though I am supposed to have freedom of speach, I know I don't.
FYI: I posted a bug on this with attachec screenshot. You should be able to see the problem here:
Bugs item #1059563, was opened at 2004-11-03 10:30 Message generated for change (Settings changed) made by cmdrtaco You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=d etail&atid= 104421&aid=1059563&group_id=4421
Oppression \Op*pres"sion\, n. [F., fr. L. oppressio.]
1. The act of oppressing, or state of being oppressed.
2. That which oppresses; a hardship or injustice; cruelty;
severity; tyranny. ``The multitude of oppressions.'' --Job
xxxv. 9.
3. A sense of heaviness or obstruction in the body or mind;
depression; dullness; lassitude; as, an oppression of
spirits; an oppression of the lungs.
There gentlee Sleep First found me, and with soft
oppression seized My drowsed sense. --Milton.
4. Ravishment; rape. [Obs.] --Chaucer.
WordNet (r) 2.0 [wn]
oppression
n 1: the act of subjugating by cruelty; "the tyrant's oppression
of the people" [syn: subjugation]
2: the state of being kept down by unjust use of force or
authority: "after years of oppression they finally
revolted"
3: a feeling of being oppressed [syn: oppressiveness]
Slashdot Mirror
Who cares about the "date" transfer rate anyway. Doesn't take much to say today, or yesterday, even with a floppy!
Why would you even try to force a user to use and infected IE to fix itself. Sounds like a loosing battle to me.....
Ya, and I don't pay for my enterprise Qt lincense, My Commercial SlickEdit IDE, My Boxed SuSE disto(s), My games from Loki, or anything else either!
hehehe
B-)
As someone who has taken on the role of "convert everyone to OOo", I hope to hell the interface stays familliar to the other. I want to be able to say, "I'm upgrading your Office to the latest version" and switch to OOo, and not get a bunch of calls asking me how to do something with a newer / different interface.
Your argument about Firefox doesn't hold as much water because of what it is.
The content on a website will for the most part render the same regardless of the browser (I know, if done right that is...). When Firefox came out, it was familliar to anyone who had ever used a browser because most of what they did was within the web page itself. Then once they saw someone else use tabs, or other 'firefox' features, they liked it and couldn't go back to IE. So IE had to implement tabs.
I imagine the same to be true for openoffice. Switch a user, let them find out first hand that even though they never used it before, it is still familliar. Then point out some of the coolness that OOo has which the other one(s) don't. (Massachusetts anyone)
I like to see the look on PHB's faces when you tell them they don't own their data/docs. That M$ does. And that they need to continue to pay M$ if they want to keep what they mistakenly thought was theirs in the first place.
hehe
I do allot of math in calc. There are some things that Excel just can't do (like more that 30 parms to a function) that I've had to change to make backwards
compatible for the sake of sharing.
B-)
disclaimer: I'm a SuSE fanboy... hehehe
I thought you were going to take a different route. You didn't, so I will.
When I was reading through your quoted text from the article, I thought you were going to point out that allot of those problems were fixed by getting the Windows side of things to play nicely (more standard). I wonder that those exchange settings were.
In SuSE, you can use YOU (GUI for online updates) to get the nvidia binary drivers installed and enabled. No config file tweaking. Network browsing has been sucessful right out of the gate. And when things don't work, you have YAST (GUI like control panel) and Control Center to help. Still no config files. KDE's kmail/kontact software is wonderfull. I haven't used evolution myself, but hear lots about it. In fact, the email thing is the BIGGEST reason I haven't switched our normal users computers over to Linux. If Evolution would get their windows client done, I'd switch our users from outlook to evolution, then from IE to firefox, then from M$ Office to OpenOffice. From there, I'd bet I could switch their OS over to Linux, and the user wouldn't even know. Same apps, same OS. Right?
hehe
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Very interesting perspective. I would have to agree to the extent that if hired as a "Software Engineer" with board certification, they are also given the power to keep the standard. IOW: (in other words) They are their own managers.
Dentists (tooth engineers) have office managers, but don't answer to them because like you say, they are ultimately responsible for what they do.
Same with Civil engineers.
Good Point!
B-)
Remind me not to work for this guy.....
Why not make CEO's personally liable for not putting the code through proper QC channels and selling it over-promised.
Made to sell, not to use? Who's fault is that?
B-)
The biggest advantage you can have, (aside from doing the porting yourself) is to use laguanges, toolkits, widget sets, etc. that ARE cross-platform. It is good to bone up on coding in a portable fashion. Then, when your looking for someone to port it for you, you can be rest assured that it will be a relativly minor process, mostly compiling and debugging.....
I hope they know about this...
K12LTSP.org
B-)
This looks like what I've been waiting for. I didn't see any Office apps (OOo). This might be just the thing to convince my boss to get 2 of. One for him, and one for me to learn how to help him use his....
B=)
"This is a silent epidemic of media desensitisation that teaches kids it's OK to diss people because they are a woman, they're a different colour or they're from a different place."
When what we SHOULD be teaching them is it is OK to diss whomever they choose, regardless of race, color, sex, occupation, relation, political view, etc.
B-)
software that can be end-of-lifed even while they're in heavy use
Read: Micro$oft software.
Happens once, shame on them.
Happens twice?
B-)
SIMPLE
http://k12ltsp.org/
B-)
there is gcc for DOS (DJGPP)/Windows (with mingw) without the need for cygwin.
Have used them both without too much trouble. Easy to setup with DevC++ (see below)
http://www.bloodshed.net/devcpp.html
http://csjava.occ.cccd.edu/~gilberts/devcpp5/
B-)
You should be able to publish whatever you want, including false statements and sensitive information. That is what slander / liability laws are for. I say give'em enough rope to hang themselves.
Of course this opens up a whole new can of worms, and, even though I am supposed to have freedom of speach, I know I don't.
B-)
this is what I get when clicking the link
"Sorry, links to Bugzilla from Slashdot are disabled."
interesting....
B-)
FYI: I posted a bug on this with attachec screenshot. You should be able to see the problem here:
d etail&atid= 104421&aid=1059563&group_id=4421
Bugs item #1059563, was opened at 2004-11-03 10:30
Message generated for change (Settings changed) made by cmdrtaco
You can respond by visiting:
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=
B-)
Category: Comments
Group: Slashdot
it doesn't have to, it runs under linux natively.
Even if it didn't (and I think it would), it would probably run under dosemu..
AVG = GOOD
I like that you cat take the dir structure from a working windows installation and run it from a booted CD in DOS mode.
Very nice AVG!
B-)
I'd just like to see the Slashdot (Firefox?) bug taken care of.
i d= 104421&aid=1059563&group_id=4421
/.,
/.'ers use firefox (Yes?)
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&at
As much as I love
I'm tired of refreshing pages 20 times to be able to read comments.
To quote CmdrTaco, "Its a firefox bug, not a slashdot bug", when asked why it was dismissed as invalid.
I don't think there is much motivation for CmdrTaco to fix (deal with) as it ups the advertisers clicked count.....($$$$)
As a developer, I believe even if it IS a firefox bug, it is hurting the image of the site and should be worked around!
I would estimate at least have of
B-)
Doesn't make much of a difference for use that don't / can't get a gmail address or use WinDoze! heheh B-)
Would closed source life be considered "oppression"?
Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) [web1913]
Oppression \Op*pres"sion\, n. [F., fr. L. oppressio.]
1. The act of oppressing, or state of being oppressed.
2. That which oppresses; a hardship or injustice; cruelty;
severity; tyranny. ``The multitude of oppressions.'' --Job
xxxv. 9.
3. A sense of heaviness or obstruction in the body or mind;
depression; dullness; lassitude; as, an oppression of
spirits; an oppression of the lungs.
There gentlee Sleep First found me, and with soft
oppression seized My drowsed sense. --Milton.
4. Ravishment; rape. [Obs.] --Chaucer.
WordNet (r) 2.0 [wn]
oppression
n 1: the act of subjugating by cruelty; "the tyrant's oppression
of the people" [syn: subjugation]
2: the state of being kept down by unjust use of force or
authority: "after years of oppression they finally
revolted"
3: a feeling of being oppressed [syn: oppressiveness]
I'd love to be invited to use GMail.
Give me an invite.
I'd be more than happy to reply back to this post wether or not it worked.
mebadmagic at yahoo.com
B-)
google it this way
a ke +wobegone&btnG=Google+Search
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=l
The quote is right after the zipper text.... Quote: "A bag has been attached to the inner thigh, for an easier time going No. 2."