I agree. I really hate to say it, but if Microsoft / Generic Evil Corp. did this stuff on their website, you can damn well be sure their pages would be out of the index fast.
Speculation on Google's intentions is almost as pointless as it is trying to guess when you'll die. The problem with basing stories on things like this (Google meeting with industry players) is that they could be doing so many other things; The Times run a similarly factually weak story early this year about how the company had plans to launch a VoIP service imminently. They based it of a story that Slashdot covered a month prior about how the company was buying dark fibre; now yes- it could be used for VoIP, but could be used for thousands of other things.
My point : Google != Microsoft. They haven't got a history of "leaking" stuff prior to product launch, and I doubt they'd do it this time.
It's amazing how beautiful code can be - it's simple, to the point, and functional. Bravo - a good lesson here for anyone who's thought about doing anything at code level.
I never thought about productivity in terms of the opperating system, rather than the programs opperating in the system. Certainly an interesting point tho, yet very hard to come up with some kind of metric to measure this by. Most of it's probably pyschological - if you dressed Win XP/*nix as MAC OS X then i'm sure a similar effect would be achieved.
Some readers here live in a dream world; it goes a bit like this. Microsoft make crappy products; Microsoft (unsurprisingly) protect their crappy products; people ultimately realise this; switch to Linux.
Here's the reality. Microsoft make pretty average products that a heck of a lot of people use. Microsoft get most of their revenues from office and windows and want to protect this cash cow. Microsoft have product activation on, something that bothers a relatively minute fraction of it's user base, and tackle piracy head on. People still view Linux as a server OS, hard to use, and not friendly to people who have less than 5 minutes to read a help file. People stay on Windows. Slash dot community still angry.
This change just doesn't affect them - and importantly - until it does, please don't expect any mass migration to other operating systems. Microsoft rightly identified an exploit that pirates are using to rip them off- why shouldn't they patch it up? It really bothers me that so many people play this out as a big bad beast cracking knuckles again - it just isn't. Since when did support piracy become so acceptable to so many people?
It's a pretty poor article offering at best a cursorary look at MS's offering. To sum it up in a few words : Yeah, Microsoft's new anti-spyware solution works; but you knew that without reading th earticle.
To be clear, Yahoo haven't actually released anything yet; they've licensed the tech from another company (pretty poor show) and will be slapping some branding on it with a launch planned for 2005.
Lets be a bit more clear here : If the US wants to ban it, fine! But lets get away from the US-centric mentallity! Just because the US says you cant do it, doesn't mean the rest of the world cant. How they could possibly attempt to legislate something like this is rediculous- the internet is no longer centered in one country - you cant define what people worldwide can and cant do. Asides from being impossible, its a major waste of time and US tax payers money.
If these people want to do a big "fuck you" to the RIAA and MPAA, they could take the very easy step of leaving a server open and leaking the source code out to the web. But of course... that could be considered illegal under the DMCA!
TBH, its a nice concept but the screencaps look aweful. I'd rather stare at real people over some poorly rendered robot anyday - maybe thats just me...!
The original article (published in the Indepedent) was a well though, coherent piece of insight about a politically and socially sensative subject. The 'debunking' of it is, on the other hand, a piece that can be ranked little higher than childish writing. The author is part of a movement that (as with many lobbist groups) seems completely ignorant of reality, and is engulfed in their own message find it hard to assess properly another reasonable argument. Mindless moaning you might say? Wrong. It's because of people like this writer that the public at large is scared / paranoid unduely about the Nuclear industry. ICBM's with nuclear warheads are a field apart from the clean, reliable energy source that is nuclear power. As the original article rightly concludes, 1/3 of us will die from cancer / cancer related diseases, and the carcinogens aren't coming from nuclear power stations.
It surely is a nice project with some very fancy prizes, but has anyone thought of what Google's response is going to be?! Wham! Thanks for telling us the techniques to beat our own system guys - we'll now be altering it so that this is no longer a problem.:S
Is this not just a sneaky way of getting ISP's to give them user information? Rather than going through the courts and doing it legally (and facing the risk of failure), recording associations sneakily do it like this - they get the info they want, and the desired effect- bit more fear, and less file trading.
This is assuming we give a shit about average mom + pop situations. Personally, I use Linux for development and my servers.
And therein lies the problem - albeit in a very in-elloquent manner, you've highlighted perfectly how linux dev's and advocats simply don't appreciate the problem - and arguablly won't for a few more years to come.
It's no record moment; it is (as-ever) a wake up call to the slashdot croud who perpetually fool themselves as to how good linux is. As this article highlights, failing to interact with such basic hardware as a sound card makes it unviable for mom & pop situations! How can you possibly expect people to have to try 9 different distros just for them to get the music working?
Wake up guys. You need freeze the work geared up towards developers. You need to support these distro's that really make linux child's play. They need the support of as many developers as possible, because unless Linux can really break into the home deskop market it will never suceed truely as a competitor to Microsoft other than in server and techy environments.
People talk about this being the year of linux. Well, i've been reading slashdot for the last 5 years, and every year in Jan - April it's been Linux's year; if only it were true.
People really need to get over these privacy concerns and actually look at real issues (DMCA, MPAA / RIAA). The media latches onto these issues because google and amazon are big names; the reality of logging is that every server does it! Slashdot is logging us right now - via apache. We're logged / monitored throughout life, and there is ultimatly little we can do about it. Better to move onto more important issues.
Linux advocacy worldwide is clearly important, but i'd like to highlight something far more pressing : poverty, disease, malnutrition. Honestly readers, which is a more pressing problem? The evil genius residing in Seatle, or the thousands of people dieing in Ethiopia? I know what many might say, but i'm guessing dealing with the social problems there prior to trying to inflict technology on them might be the better option.
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Best of luck; interesting questions!
I agree. I really hate to say it, but if Microsoft / Generic Evil Corp. did this stuff on their website, you can damn well be sure their pages would be out of the index fast.
...not a moment to soon. For more disparaging criticism, see here.
The original story can be seen at the Neowin article here.
Speculation on Google's intentions is almost as pointless as it is trying to guess when you'll die. The problem with basing stories on things like this (Google meeting with industry players) is that they could be doing so many other things; The Times run a similarly factually weak story early this year about how the company had plans to launch a VoIP service imminently. They based it of a story that Slashdot covered a month prior about how the company was buying dark fibre; now yes- it could be used for VoIP, but could be used for thousands of other things.
My point : Google != Microsoft. They haven't got a history of "leaking" stuff prior to product launch, and I doubt they'd do it this time.
It's amazing how beautiful code can be - it's simple, to the point, and functional. Bravo - a good lesson here for anyone who's thought about doing anything at code level.
I never thought about productivity in terms of the opperating system, rather than the programs opperating in the system. Certainly an interesting point tho, yet very hard to come up with some kind of metric to measure this by. Most of it's probably pyschological - if you dressed Win XP/*nix as MAC OS X then i'm sure a similar effect would be achieved.
Music Download Prices To Rise.
Come on - wake up to the reality.
Some readers here live in a dream world; it goes a bit like this. Microsoft make crappy products; Microsoft (unsurprisingly) protect their crappy products; people ultimately realise this; switch to Linux.
Here's the reality. Microsoft make pretty average products that a heck of a lot of people use. Microsoft get most of their revenues from office and windows and want to protect this cash cow. Microsoft have product activation on, something that bothers a relatively minute fraction of it's user base, and tackle piracy head on. People still view Linux as a server OS, hard to use, and not friendly to people who have less than 5 minutes to read a help file. People stay on Windows. Slash dot community still angry.
This change just doesn't affect them - and importantly - until it does, please don't expect any mass migration to other operating systems. Microsoft rightly identified an exploit that pirates are using to rip them off- why shouldn't they patch it up? It really bothers me that so many people play this out as a big bad beast cracking knuckles again - it just isn't. Since when did support piracy become so acceptable to so many people?
On pages with non-enlish text (E.G. this one http://aquashop-es.miemasu.net/MultiCameraFrame?Mo de=Motion&Language=1)
change language=1 to language=0 to get english text.
It's a pretty poor article offering at best a cursorary look at MS's offering. To sum it up in a few words : Yeah, Microsoft's new anti-spyware solution works; but you knew that without reading th earticle.
To be clear, Yahoo haven't actually released anything yet; they've licensed the tech from another company (pretty poor show) and will be slapping some branding on it with a launch planned for 2005.
Lets be a bit more clear here : If the US wants to ban it, fine! But lets get away from the US-centric mentallity! Just because the US says you cant do it, doesn't mean the rest of the world cant. How they could possibly attempt to legislate something like this is rediculous- the internet is no longer centered in one country - you cant define what people worldwide can and cant do. Asides from being impossible, its a major waste of time and US tax payers money.
If these people want to do a big "fuck you" to the RIAA and MPAA, they could take the very easy step of leaving a server open and leaking the source code out to the web. But of course... that could be considered illegal under the DMCA!
I wonder if they had duplicates of the same CD there.... like... this story!
yup... think i could just about rip and burn a new copy in 8 hrs!
TBH, its a nice concept but the screencaps look aweful. I'd rather stare at real people over some poorly rendered robot anyday - maybe thats just me...!
The original article (published in the Indepedent) was a well though, coherent piece of insight about a politically and socially sensative subject. The 'debunking' of it is, on the other hand, a piece that can be ranked little higher than childish writing. The author is part of a movement that (as with many lobbist groups) seems completely ignorant of reality, and is engulfed in their own message find it hard to assess properly another reasonable argument.
Mindless moaning you might say? Wrong. It's because of people like this writer that the public at large is scared / paranoid unduely about the Nuclear industry. ICBM's with nuclear warheads are a field apart from the clean, reliable energy source that is nuclear power. As the original article rightly concludes, 1/3 of us will die from cancer / cancer related diseases, and the carcinogens aren't coming from nuclear power stations.
It surely is a nice project with some very fancy prizes, but has anyone thought of what Google's response is going to be?! Wham! Thanks for telling us the techniques to beat our own system guys - we'll now be altering it so that this is no longer a problem. :S
Is this not just a sneaky way of getting ISP's to give them user information? Rather than going through the courts and doing it legally (and facing the risk of failure), recording associations sneakily do it like this - they get the info they want, and the desired effect- bit more fear, and less file trading.
This is assuming we give a shit about average mom + pop situations. Personally, I use Linux for development and my servers.
And therein lies the problem - albeit in a very in-elloquent manner, you've highlighted perfectly how linux dev's and advocats simply don't appreciate the problem - and arguablly won't for a few more years to come.
It's no record moment; it is (as-ever) a wake up call to the slashdot croud who perpetually fool themselves as to how good linux is. As this article highlights, failing to interact with such basic hardware as a sound card makes it unviable for mom & pop situations! How can you possibly expect people to have to try 9 different distros just for them to get the music working?
Wake up guys. You need freeze the work geared up towards developers. You need to support these distro's that really make linux child's play. They need the support of as many developers as possible, because unless Linux can really break into the home deskop market it will never suceed truely as a competitor to Microsoft other than in server and techy environments.
People talk about this being the year of linux. Well, i've been reading slashdot for the last 5 years, and every year in Jan - April it's been Linux's year; if only it were true.
People really need to get over these privacy concerns and actually look at real issues (DMCA, MPAA / RIAA). The media latches onto these issues because google and amazon are big names; the reality of logging is that every server does it!
Slashdot is logging us right now - via apache. We're logged / monitored throughout life, and there is ultimatly little we can do about it. Better to move onto more important issues.
Linux advocacy worldwide is clearly important, but i'd like to highlight something far more pressing : poverty, disease, malnutrition. Honestly readers, which is a more pressing problem? The evil genius residing in Seatle, or the thousands of people dieing in Ethiopia?
I know what many might say, but i'm guessing dealing with the social problems there prior to trying to inflict technology on them might be the better option.
Dupe :(
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And i even mailed the on duty editor.