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First All-Artificial Feature Film Released
Hugh "Nomad" Hancock writes "Machinima.com have just released the DVD version of Killer Robot, award-winning filmmaker Peter Rasmussen's buddy movie about two mining robots who set out to protect their "meat-sack" masters from a master mining robot gone insane. The twist here is not only that it's Machinima, made in 3D Game Studio, but that even the actor's voices are computer-generated using programs like Festival, making this possibly the world's first all-artificial movie."
Nothing real in that .. both genres are done purely by silicon.
Wouldn't that be a movie written, directed,
post-produced, and distributed by bots?
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Is this the one with Will Smith, and is Will Smith computer generated? If so, that's a great achievement! I hope that the sound is better than the national weather service's Mac plus (i'm assuming) that reads those weather alerts on channel 26.
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100% artificial? Really? So it was written by an AI, produced by robots, and distributed by that new IA64 virus? Impressive.
TBH, its a nice concept but the screencaps look aweful. I'd rather stare at real people over some poorly rendered robot anyday - maybe thats just me...!
Seriously, did the textures they use start off as photos of real life objects? Then this isn't an all-artificial movie. The first all-artificial movie will be made by an AI that has no access to any outside materials. Everything until then is just a matter of degree of human involvement.
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Actually, the first all-artificial movie was Gigli I believe. :)
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When the script is written by a machine too.
love is just extroverted narcissism
making this possibly the world's first all-artificial movie.
It seems to me that humans still did most of the work. It would be more accurate to say movie with environment and actors fully computer modeled.
When I read the first all-artificial movie, I thought of a program that wrote the plot, picked main characters and background characters, edited the models and the envirnoment and generated all that without any human involvment.
Together everyone. Humor intended, toungue in cheek...check...
...even the actor's voices are computer-generated...making this possibly the world's first all-artificial movie
:-)
Just Think about all the Artificial Pr0n you can create with this technology! Wait...No need for Actors or Actresses...Oh the Possibilities are Endless!
I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours. -- Hunter S. Thompson
now that they don't have to pay people like Billy Crystal and Robin Williams to do voices.
Though-- I'm confused why they ever did-- since there are probably a bajillion (conservative estimate) actors that would do it for $20 an hour.
I find it annoying when I recognize the voices in animation-- even if I only recognize the voice from other animation.
till AI's write the script and decide stuffs.
When a computer can be told to write a movie, and does everything of its own. THEN, THEN will have an all artifical movie.
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only a matter of time before we're all dancing for Sharon Apple.
i'd like a freely available phoneme pack (or whatever i should call it properly) that sounds as good as AT&T's natural voices. last time i used festival, i was just so put off by the available voice packs that i gave up on the project i was working on. That was a few years ago, but I bet it hasn't changed much. (i use a program called swatch that watches my log files and then plays computer voices just telling me what the hell is going on. sitting on the couch watching family guy and hearing that someone just arped on my lan is more intuitive than me getting an email about it. and it has its own channel on the mixer so when i have my harem over to please me on thursday nights, i just put the slider all the way down.) yeah.
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Our heroes, Mira and Sam, are two workaday robots chugging out their endless hours on the red sands of Mars. But little do they know that they're about to be flung into an adventure, when they discover that Sam's leader, Cato, has gone insane, and now plans to kill the astronauts intending to land on Mars' surface.
They should of just gone ahead and named them Spirit and Opportunity. How awesome would it be, if someday, Spirit and Opportunity do have to come to the rescue of our astronauts landing on Mars. Battery life running out in September... another conspiracy I tell ya:-)
Most of the posts so far are pointing out that because it was not made by AI it is not a completely artificial movie. What they are trying to say is that it is the first completely artificial movie product(basically when you see the movie there aren't any real traces of human actors/voiceactors).
Creative Demolition
I'm sorry, but as much as I like the geek factor in this, I like to see people in my movies. I admit that Toy Story and Monsters Inc. were really good movies, but if eventually all movies were computer generated they'd lose me as a fan.
There's magic in acting: controling your every emotion to become someone you're not, and then making other people believe it. That's art man. What they're trying to do sounds to me like trying to replace a Picasso with a fractal image. No magic.
There are two kinds of people in the world: Those with good memory.
This is a neat idea, but my - too hard to listen to. Until these voices get easier to understand, I think I'd rather listen to actors voices.
Sorry folks.
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If the reviews aren't there, then the novelty aspect won't get my ticket dollars; they might need to make a virtual audience, too.
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I just tried the festvox.org site, I am surprised the movie directory didn't consider using something like the AT&T voices or the Neospeech voices, both which are much more advanced and natural, and are frequently used in Home automation environments (I use them myself).
"... but that even the actor's voices are computer-generated using programs like Festival"
Keanu Reeves was years ahead of them. Totally Talking Moose technology...
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The very fact that the AI would be created by humans would mean that there is a degree of human involvement.
Creative Demolition
I set it to robot guard mode when I go to bed. God help any intruder it encounters its frightening suction power, unless of course the intruder is a pervert and enjoys that sort of thing.
Anyway it was just telling me it cant wait to see this movie, apparently one of the actors is a real hell raiser, sort of the Colin Farrell of the robot entertainment industry and the other one is quite cute (purely from an engineering perspective so it tells me).
Do not try to read the dupe, thats impossible. Instead, only try to realize the truth
What truth?
There is no dupe
... may be robots themselves http://nimon.ncc.com/pipermail/dprglist/2003-Octob er/010808.html
Oh nevermind there's a conductor in that, he's not artificial other then the fact that he's made out out of wood.
>>two mining robots who set out to protect their "meat-sack" masters
Meat sack? Do the robots look like HK47 from KOTOR?
I, for one, welcome our new All-artificial overlords!
"Qualification: It's just that, you are an organic meatbag, master. And all that water.. how the noise from your insides sloshing around doesn't drive you mad, I have no idea. "(HK-47)
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With movies such as: this being released every year, it could hardly be said that Killer Robot is the first 'all artificial movie'.
I think you underestimate just how much I just dont care.
Read the article. Download is over 6 parts. I tried watching the first part, gave up after 5 minutes. ...Too difficult to understand the computer generated voices. But, judge for yourself.
Kinetic stupidity has a new brand leader: Allen Zadr.
Man, I don't know how many times I've used Festival to say "retard" or "main screen turn on" -- it's awesome. It's also a good thing to use when you're proofing essays or whatnot. It's different when you're reading it and having something read it aloud to you.
Not sure if you can make an entire movie with it, though. If nothing else, they should have one with MC Hawking (and DJ Doomsday) doing the soundtrack.
Eleven years ago, Jim and Bob set out on the trail to make the best Movie film on the planet. As they started researching, they quickly dogscovered that the ingredient labels on many of the store-bought Films were downright awful. Sometimes there would be 50 different ingredients listed for a simple polaroid! They were full of chemicals, preservatives, and who knows what else. But perhaps even worse, they were guilty of the ultimate crime... they were BORING! The same old plastic, silver, oxide combinations. Enough to put you straight into schnooze mode. And so, at that moment, they made it their mission to make a better tasting and healthier dog biscuit. This meant starting with the best doggone ingredients they could dig up. Whole grains, peanut butter, canola oil, apples, tomatoes , carob, garlic, honey, oats... healthy and all-natural ingredients... stuff you'd feel great about eating yourself.
...making this possibly the world's first all-artificial movie.
So is the soundtrack done in MIDI?
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You approach the problem from too narrow a view. The car will consult any nearby cars on a transmission frequency and based on their distances and urgencies (e.g. law enforcement vehicles) they will together decide the best course of action.
Marxist evolution is just N generations away!
> ...making this possibly the world's first all-artificial movie.
As luck would have it, there's already series of all-artificial awards they can earn.
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Is to find an artificial director along with an artificial production company. How about LucasArts?
Mirrors anyone??? The site's already getting slashdotted.
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make some wise crack about the amazing graphics of that movie, but i'd probably just get flamed... unless the flames are artificial.. which in that case.. "Man those are some amazing graphics.. artificially speaking that is"
- "My name is Legion, for we are many" -Mark 5:9
"This is the first computer animated movie"
"This is the first computer animated movie with photoreal humans"
"This is the first computer animated movie rendered with global illumination"
"This is the first computer animated movie rendered with global illumination, on a render farm of Linux servers"
"This is the first computer animated movie where the main character is green"
"This is the first computer animated movie where the main character is green and one of the characters is a cat"
It gets silly after a while. At some point you have to ask "is the movie any good?"
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and were do you think the voices for festival came from?
artificial
adj 1: contrived by art rather than nature; "artificial flowers"; "artificial flavoring"; "an artificial economic boom"; "artificial fibers" [syn: unreal] [ant: natural] 2: artificially formal; "that artificial humility that her husband hated"; "contrived coyness"; "a stilted letter of acknowledgment"; "when people try to correct their speech they develop a stilted pronunciation" [syn: contrived, stilted] 3: not arising from natural growth or characterized by vital processes
Source: WordNet ® 1.6, © 1997 Princeton University
Taking this into account. Every movie that didn't grow from a tree is an, " all-artificial movie". Except maybe that third definition. *shrug*
That was offtopic. To be ontopic in this thread, you have to be discussing pr0n :-)
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Excellent. With actors now obsolete, Natalie Portman will be desperate for cash. I shall make her my crack whore.
On another note. I left mine in my pants pocket last week when I threw them in the laundry. It went through the washer AND the dryer (and our dryer gets DAMN hot!) I thought 'no way is it going to work'. Seems to work just fine, I was SO impressed!
In Howie Chaykin's comic American Flagg, Reuben Flagg has to leave his job as a soft-core porn actor when he's replaced by a holographic verion of himself. (Excellent reading, BTW!)
I think you mean GRITS WHORE.
Just for the record, there is a big difference between silicon and silicone.
Silicon: is a non-metallic element used in the manufacture of electronic components like Integrated circuits, as well as glass and many other things. In its raw for it is rather like sand.
Silicone: is a rubbery or liquid compound which includes silicon as one of its primary components. Silicone is used for rubber materials including molded plastics, sealants or caulks, and breast implants.
Silicon != Silicone
I think this is just one step towards "all-artificial". The real big step will be when the story is written by a computer.
Certainly there's been a silent computer animated movie.
My other sig is extremely clever...
...I'll be impressed when the computers not only *speak* the dialogue, but actually *write* the screenplay!
:-P
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The audience will also be entirely artificial.
Mathematics is made of 50 percent formulas, 50 percent proofs, and 50 percent imagination.
Is it really fair to compare CG movies with 'real' movies? It's an animated movie.. and if anything that makes it a different medium altogether... or at least part of a very clique genre of movies. If anything, I suppose you could say that moving from real life is replacing acting with artistry (I know, acting's a form of artistry...). Personally, I would look foreward too seeing more entertainment using artificial voices. The things artists do with computer graphics is amazing. I'd like to think we can do beautiful things with sound too.
What about movies like Triple X, Legally Blonde 2, and Van Helsing, where the stories and dialogue are written by computer too?
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Stupid "Cat got your tongue? (something important seems to be missing from your comment
There are two major schools of thought among actors: internalist and externalist.
Internalist is most often associated with the Stanislavsky "Method": feel it inside and it will come out on the outside. The Method has been taken to stupid lengths that have been much parodied ("What's my motivation?"), but the core is extremely sound. Audiences are extremely sensitive to faked emotions, and internalist acting makes for very compelling performances.
Externalist acting predates internalist acting, but it's still much used. It's basically the school of thought that says, "I don't care what you feel; as long as it looks good on film, I'm happy." It's necessary for a lot of things. You can't lose yourself in a fight scene, for example, because that's how actors get hurt (especially on stage.) But other than that, it's largely out of favor among top-flight actors and directors.
Most modern actors use a combination of the two techniques, but the balance is different for every actor.
I bring this up because computer animation is the ultimate externalist acting. You have a physical control over the "muscles" of a virtual actor far beyond that which you have over yourself. That's why externalist acting often fails: you may think "this is what I look like when I'm angry/happy/sad", but you just don't have the control over the hundreds of little muscles in your face.
I've been incredibly impressed by what emotions they can get a virtual actor to do. I remember thinking it for the first time watching Barbie at the end of Toy Story II, doing her flight attendant "bye bye, buh bye, bye-ee" routine. She clearly had a "fake smile", in contrast to the real smiles. Everybody knows the difference, but it takes an extraordinary eye to reproduce it precisely.
Shrek and Fiona showed me layered emotions I'd be hard pressed to reproduce myself.
Now these guys are adding voice, where there are even more fine gradations, and it hasn't been as well studied. Artists have been dissecting people's faces for centuries and every art student knows the name, origin, insertion, and purpose of every single muscle in the face.
The voice will prove harder, but I've looked into some of those programs and it looks like a good start. It's a lot of work to specify the exact shape of a line reading, but as with faces, they'll probably get it eventually.
It flies precisely in the face of what I've been taught as a director. I tend to the internalist school most of the time, and you never, ever specify the details of a line reading to an actor. You give intents, motivations, impulses, and try to help the actor find the natural way to get what you want out of a line. If you give the actor a line reading, it will read falsely to an audience, because the line reading won't match up to the rest of the clues that the audience gets about what the character feels (body language, timing, facial expressions). These details are too hard to control, so you give emotional directions instead. It's tedious, but the result will be more compelling.
It would be interesting to direct an actor who did have minute control over voice and body, as this film will show. It's probably too early for the thing to be 100% successful, but I'd really like to find out.
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In Soviet Russia mining robot go insane all the time...
I put the volume all the way up, and I could still only catch 2/3 of the words.
*sarcasm on*
What are you griping about? This is just like a professionally produced Hollywood movie.
*sarcasm off*
Seriously I'm a little hard of hearing but some movies these days are just total shit in their audio. Some sounds are so quiet as to be almost totally inaudible with the volume set at max and then moments later there are sounds that'll rattle your windows even with the volume turned down. No one ever seems to be able to find a happy medium. Give someone a wide dynamic audio range and by golly they gotta use every damn bit of it.
Kill Bill for instance. Right at the beginning in the kitchen where the two women are whispering at each other. I can barely frigging hear them, nevermind that I've got the TV volume cranked all the way up (which I know is a mistake because sooner or later one of the bitches is gonna pull out a gun and the gunshot is gonna wake people up at the end of my street and damage my hearing further.)
But I'm more impressed b/c this is the work of one man!
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you mean he hasn't always been? i mean, al gore is a robot, so i just kind of figured....
I guess that's why they've got subtitles on DVDs.
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Finally, a movie to match the concession stand snacks!
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Sorry I am no longer impressed with animation that consist 3 polygons and crappy "artificial voices" i'd rather just watch FF:Spirits Within (and thats not even a good movie)
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How hard can it be?
For some reason, I thought that Rasmussen did the film with a buddy. RTFA. Nevermind the 'one man' comment.
Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.
-- Pablo Picasso
Anything else is just another form of pre-rendered CG.
Didn't a human create this? So it's not 100% artificial.
I don't care if it was entirely produced and performed by sentient chimps (side note: Shakespeare?). The fact that this film is 'totally artificial' is nothing more than trivia. It poses as some sort of weighty considering, when really it's nothing more than an accomplishment of technical aesthetics.
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You know, this just can't be that far off. Sex and war drive technology, and all that. Give them time, and I'm sure the adult industry will find a way to drive the costs of this down to levels where it's reasonable for everyone.
I agree that computer-generated porn is inevitable but I disagree that it is going to become so cheap as to replace the real thing (such as it is) anytime soon. Let's face it, it costs almost no money to make a porn flick. I'm sure they spend no money on the writers. There is essentially no budget for props. The actors and actresses don't have an awful lot of career choices so they can be paid a pitance. And it's recorded on videotape for chrissake. You are arguing that replacing this dirt-cheap operation with an all CGI environment is economically a great idea? I don't think so.
The question is, will people be interested in this for its own sake, or will it have to wait until things reach the point where it's indistinguishable from the real thing? I'm guessing from the preponderance of cartoon porn on the internet that it's just around the corner.
I suspect that the "real" porn will continue much as it has for decades and that if CGI evolves to the point that it is feasible to make pornos from it will satisfy a slightly different crowd or need. You pointed out the cartoon porn. That stuff is pretty different from flesh and blood porn. Those films feature fantastical characters or situations. A typical film would feature a female ninja with green hair who can change into a warewolf battling monsters on behalf of some ancient clan rivalry. You couldn't make something like this with flesh-and-blood porn without it being absolutely laughable. Now, granted, the cartoon version isn't meant to be taken seriously but the audience is more willing to accept it just because of the choice of media that is used. And the non-consensual nature of a lot of cartoon porn makes it a definite no-no for anything remotely realistic. But I think the reason cartoon porn florishes is precisely because it is not realistic. It is fantastical. I suspect that CGI porn would fill the same niche -- something completely wild rather than a substitute for mainstream porn.
One possible avenue of CGI porn is letting amateurs and hobbists make their own porn films. If easy-to-use authoring/animation tools get created, you could have guys making their porn flicks. People could play out movies for whatever crazy fantasies that they have. And with p2p software, I can easily see people trading their homemade pornos with others. This would actually be an interesting development. Let's face it: there aren't a lot of creative minds in the adult film industry. Once you give people (and there are a lot of people who secretly love porn) the ability to author what's on their mind, I think you will see an explosion of all sorts of porn. Some of it will be real sicko stuff, I'm sure. However, you'll also get people who can actually write decent stories creating some porn. CGI may end up being the greatest thing that ever happened to porn within a decade.
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This is an awesome idea, but the graphics look kinda lame. Killer Robot DVD release Google Cache
"Too many connections!" says the download page. Can anyone post torrents?
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As long as a human is writing the script / directing, it doesn't strike me as "All-artificial".
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Now, once a computer, sensitive to the fact that the timing is profitable for "Shrek 12", kicks off "Hollywood.pl" to generate a movie, I'll be more inclined to give it the "All-artificial" tag.
Of course, the only ones who'll go and see it are machines on their lunch breaks
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I hear you, pal. I used to have a recurring fantasy where I would wait in a dark alley for Roger and Jessica Rabbit to leave the nightclub that she would sing in. I'd immediatly pounce and beat the holy crap out of Roger. Then I'd start to ravage Jessica. I mean, I would really start working her over. She'd be all "Help! No! Stop! Roger, help!" at first. But once I started giving her the good stuff she'd be struggling less and less. Soon, her legs would be wrapped around my waist instead of kicking violently in protest. She'd be moaning and groaning with delight as she starts to tell me that she's never been fucked this good before. That she had to fake every one of her orgasms with Roger. Roger would be starting to lose consciousness from the beating I gave him but as he watched me continuing to give Jessica something he never could he'd start crying to himself "No.... ppppppluhese Jessica. Tell me it's not true!" just before slipping into a permanent sleep.
If these two drive technology, then what will happen when they converge?
:-)
Sexy soldier robots? CGI fighting-game character p()rn? Virtual mud-wrestling? The possibilities endless!
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Is there a bittorrent or download site I can get this at. Don't really want to spend $22 for the DVD without at least seeing a low res version first.
Anyone know where to grab it, their site only has the source, and its tweaked for *nix.
I have a hard time believing they didn't get "meat sack" from the fantastic dialogue provided for HK-47 in Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic. I don't know for sure they are the first to use that term in that context, but it worked beautifully. "meatbag" sounds so much better than meat sack, and meat sack just comes off as a lame attempt to pretend that it is original. Personally, I think it sounds way too close to ball sack. I have no problem with people reusing cool ideas in creative works (to an extent) but it annoys me when they come up with a less effective version just so they can pretend to be original.
...and it made like $76 billion in box office sales. It was called "The Greatest Movie Ever Made" and it won like 40 oscars.
...but it does exist.
You probably can't find it anywhere, though. It was so good, they decided not to make it anymore.
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Pieces of several movies were so bad I had to close my eyes, but not Gigli, except maybe when the fish nibbled on the brain in their tank. Worse than Gigli, off the top of my head:
All worse than Bennifer at their worst.
Even staying with "artificial" movies that were tremendously sour for me, I'd nominate "Pearl Harbor." It took a real subject and made it artificial, in every sense. When you spotted the nuclear submarine in escort of the Japanese carrier group, that was a tremendously bad movie. Probably the worst I've ever seen, in so many ways. Impossible physics for various special effects, truly awful use of okay actors... that stunk so badly.
"Fundamentalism" isn't about divine morality. It's about human authority.
You mean $RECENT_FORMULAIC_MOVIE ?*
*Best I could come up with was I, Robot, which additionally stars robots
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Judging by the amount of times "people" have posted "it isn't all-artificial until AI writes the screenplay", I'm wondering whether the slashdot comments system may consist of all artifical postings.
I swear the whole comments system here could be replaced by a small shell script. A cron job that posts "Microsoft sucks" and "BSD is dying" would take care of a good chunk of the system right there. What else am I missing?
And why am I talking to a small shell script?
By bots for bots
It would be nice if someone who has it would start a bit torrent... :)
Not unless the chimps start learning Perl real fast-like...
Have you been touched by his noodly appendage?
Rumor has it that the script was written by a random word generator. The remarkable thing about this is that the dialogue was still better than the stuff Lucas wrote for his two most recent "Star Wars" movies.
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I interviewed an "adult film" producer once, and you are right - there are no scriptwriters in porno. At all. Ever. The dude who scrapes together the money to make the movie is the producer, director, writer, etc. You cull your cast from the local tanning salon, borrow your aunt's bungalow for a couple days and there you go - movie. Overhead is all in the film (unless you're shooting on that fancy camcorder).
This was NOT the kind of guy who would trade being able to bang his leading ladies for a fake chick on the screen of his laptop.
Sorry for the tangent, carry on!
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Technically, all films are all-artificial. It's not like we're really watching people on screen--it's artificially-captured light printed on tiny film strips, sometimes even projected digitally. Voices aren't real human voices but the sound wave output coming from speakers spitting out the mastered input from a microphone that just so happened to have a human stand in front of it and use his or her vocal chords.
I would have been impressed if the movie had been created entirely artificially--i.e., by non-humans. Machines making movies would be fun to watch.
"Sufferin' succotash."
"Johnny Dangerously"
Really? I love that flick. I'd rather see "Oscar" on that list (it was a bad mob satire).
Johnny Dangerously was funny. While I usually find those kind of comedies (where they don't even take themselves seriously) pretty stupid, that movie stands in my VHS collection.
Actually Al Gore did some voiceover work for the film but it was all deemed kosher.
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Before some idiot mods this up as insightful, think about this: We're not talking about the medium but the method of creation.
Only an idiot would equate the two (which of course, is what bonch, err, Overly Critical Guy is doing here).
They're ROBOTS people... You could use an old speech synthesizer like Steven Hawking's and it would pass for a robot voice, so what's the big deal? Sounds like the human characters in this movie might not even make actual screen appearances. Or maybe you get to see their feet like some of the old animal cartoons.
But I guess the fact that it is fully "artificial" is the best thing one can think to say about it, which actually says a LOT...
What about the Britney Spears concert video?
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I dunno... Keanu Reeves always seemed completely artificial to me. Especially in The Matrix.
You can't tell me his expressionless voice is actually human?
Does it make you happy you're so strange?
Curious Labs, who currently own Poser, already have it locked, albeit indirectly. The amount of poser-generated pr0n out there that's being passed off as real 3d art is disturbingly high. Some companies even make money selling movies/comics using Poser as the modelling and rendering base.
ph34r.
The killer app will be one that takes in existing singing, works backwards to get a model of the singer, and then can generate songs from MIDI and lyrics as if sung by that singer. Instant cover albums.
Good open source project for music geeks.
More specifically, silicon is an element, and silicone is a molecule.
...-Si-O-Si-O-Si-O..., with two electrons available from each Silicon for bonding (typically with hydrogen, but you can add most functional groups there and still get a stable molecule). While it is most famous as a lubricant in standard long pure chains of Si, O, and H, it gets a lot more interesting, chemically, when you start replacing the hydrogens (just like hydrocarbon chains do ;) ).
Silicone is a chain of
You can make pure Si chains, but they don't get very long before they fall apart. Silicon comes in two primary forms: amorphous and crystaline.
Other common silicon-based terms:
Silicates: Silicates are primarily SiO4 tetrahedral structures (compared to Silicone which is usually in chains - think of it as the difference between diamond and petroleum). Probably their most useful form, industrially, are zeolites (wherein one of the silicons is relaced by a metal ion); these have all sorts of useful absorbative, catylitic, and even superacid properties in some cases.
Silanes: Chains of silicon bonded to hydrogen; the simplest form (often called simply "silane") is SiH4, and is roughly a silicon equivalent of methane, apart from the fact that it spontaneously combusts in normal atmospheric conditions. They are less stable than silicone and their hydrocarbon equivalents in general, although this can be remedied by having functional groups being involved (organosilanes). Silanes are very useful in sealants and paints, as well as their electrical and optical properties.
Silanols: Silanes with an OH; generally being water-soluable, they are widely common in earth's oceans, and have all sorts of interesting chemical properties and bonding structures naturally. More than anything else, silanols have led to speculation that silicon-based life could be possible on other planets. They can form hydrogen-bonded membrane-like sheets, various catylitic complexes, etc.
Various types of silicon compounds can also form rings as carbon chains do, although you won't get any benzene-style rings (also, silicon resists double and triple bonding as well).
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How many people on here immediately checked netflix? (They don't have it (yet), BTW).
they reach the point where the movie was also written and directed by a robot/computer.
"Who is the Journal of Quantum Physics going to believe?" --Stephen Hawking
omg. post your liberal crap somewhere else.
mod this down: off topic.
Well, then this artificial film can play to an artificial audience in an artificial theater and receive artificial Oscars at an artificial award ceremony.
If they want a real audience I'll gladly pay with artificial money.
I guess I can safely assume the one starring Stallone as "Snaps" Provolone is not what you were referring to.
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it wasn't even a movie, just a show!
... ever seen a movie by Harmony Korine? I don't think he's human.
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Alas It is not all computer, nor 100% digital. Only when the machine conceives, writes, directs, plans, and develops the movie from concept to finished product will it truly be a fully computer generated movie. Even then a human had programmed the machine. Perhaps we'll have to wait till a machine makes a machine and the subsequent machine creates a movie....
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This reminds me of all of the parroting that is done by the media
this is the first 'demographic group x' mayor or testerville, tennessee...
From a recent escapee from Los Angeles:
Like the mainstream movie and animation biz, adult movies moved a few miles NW of Hollywood to the San Fernando Valley many years ago. So _that_ would be your Silicone Valley.
It's a little wierd having lunch at In'N'Out Burger on Ventura Blvd when it hits you that that the tables of inflated, tanned, women made up like Barbie are building up to an afternoon's work. Unlike the more expensive lunch tables full of inflated, tanned, made-up women you find in Hollywood: those women don't do anything at all. Unless rollerblading can be considered a trade.
Meanwhile, most of the software people are on the west side, Westwood or Santa Monica, where things are a little less nutty.
making this possibly the world's first all-artificial movie.
Possibly. However...
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One of Lem's Pirx the Pilot stories featured the tale of a mining robot gone berserk on the moon, destroying everything in its path. When Pirx comes up with a particularly unconventional method of stopping the robot, he quips, "against something insane, insane measures are often best."
So the first CGI-generated porn will come from somewhere in the Geek/Tech community. This is a suprise?
:)
The technology-based porn will no doubt arise separately from the current industry - and if it works for the audience, supplant it to some degree. The cost of making the first CGI porn will be high no doubt, the but reusability of the 'actors' and sets generated will ensure sequels are cheaper no doubt
The biggest question is whether or not there will be an audience/market for it, and I am sure there will be in the next decade or so.
Porn has driven a lot of the innovation in some areas of the tech world (for instance online commerce and website development), it wouldn't suprise me to see it drive CGI-animation sometime soon as well.
As long as our society continues to have its truly backwards, outdated, and narrow-minded attitudes towards anything sexual, there will be a large pornography market and huge demand from those who do not share those viewpoints at least in privacy.
"The first time I got drunk, I got married. The second time I bought a chimpanzee, after that I stayed sober" Arian Seid
I for one welcome our totally artificial overlords.
Wasn't Star Wars, Episode I entirely CG? I mean, look at the stiff, flat performances given by all the characters. They looked like they had almost no acting direction so I just assumed that some computer geek created them. Can anyone actually confirm that Jake Loyd is a real human and not something invented by ILM?
"Oh dear, she's stuck in an infinite loop and he's an idiot" -Prof. Farnsworth (Futurama)
"The first all-artificial movie will be made by an AI that has no access to any outside materials."
"And it will suck. "An AI [with] no access to any outside materials" will by definition also have no reference as to what makes a good movie or not, and thus will probably wind up making a movie that only it thinks is good..."
Your point here seems to be that anything of artistic value must necessarily derive from empirical knowledge. I entirely disagree.
- Mathematical truths are derived without referrence to the material world, and yet accurately describe physical truths about the material world. It is not necessary to reason from empirical axiom to "know" about the world. Nor is math unintersting for not pertaining to the physical world. Does veridical hallucination as well as empirical fact constitute knowledge ? I don't know, but it might sell tickets.
- Many people find instrumental music to be interesting and beautiful. Yet what knowlege about the real world goes into making that ? It is non-referrential, so to what in world could it refer ? Composers may assign an interpretation consisting of real-world references; Peter and Wolf, Flight of the Bumblebee. But would the music be unenjoyable to those unaware of that meaning?
- Abstract expressionism. Mondrian, Pollock, Rothko... There is a substantial body of art, the very definition of which is that it does not refer to the actual world. It is non-representational.
Admittedly, saying that art need not refer to the real world is not the same thing as saying that it need not derive form the real world. But if it need not refer to real world, then why must it derive from it? You could claim that Pollock derives from, and refers to, the physics of flying paint. But it could just as well refer to equations describing the the physics of flying paint, which exist (to the extent which mathematics exists at all) independly of the material universe. You could claim that physics constrains the set all possible equations down to the artistically revelenat, to which I reply that they it demonstrably overconstrains artistic possibilities.
Any instantiation of an AI is necessarily a material entity, and any art which it produces would be therefore a manifestation of the physcial process of its operation. AI art would, in that sense, derive and hence refer to a physical process, thus embodying knowledge of world. In this way a Rothko is a description of the physical process engaging Rothko's brain at the time he created the piece. Truly abstract art can not exist. Indeed, if you have ever seen an abstract art exhibit, you will notice that it is not abstract at all, but consists of material objects.
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AT&Ts SDK is $295. Festival is free. I cannot
afford $295 by any stretch. Way too expensive for
just fun things.
It's not all artificial. The directors, creators etc are humans. All artificial dictates that the movie itself was made by an artificial intelligence that was created by an artificial intelligence that was created by an artificial intelligence that was created by an artificial intelligence that was created by an artificial intelligence that was created by an artificial intelligence that was created by an artificial intelligence that was created by an artificial intelligence that was created...
My vote for first all-artificial movie would go to the silent cartoons of the early 20th century.
A robot may harm no meat sack, or through inaction allow a meat sack to come to harm.
I thought the movie was developed by AI algorithms..
PS, there is a way to play midi files into flinger which is based on festival, I've thought about doing a barbershop quartet of computer voices.. I wonder if the next thing is an artificial musical..
Just say no to license servers!!
It seems that they are having bandwidth problems.
I think if they had the foresight to use Bit Torrent technology on this site, it would be better for everyone.
This is why they make so many cheesy movies. Somebody likes each one. I enjoyed Oscar!
"She has such nicely rounded dipthongs"
of course, I also enjoyed Johnny Dangerously 'way back...
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You make some good points, and I will admit that I hadn't accounted for abstract art or mathematics when making the joke. The point was that the AI would be far more likely to produce something that was interesting only to itself than it would be to produce something universally accepted to be "good"; Sturgeon's law dictates that ("99% of everything is crap"). I theorized that exposure to "good" material, like, say, movies that didn't suck, would increase the odds of the AI being able to create something universally enjoyable.
One thing, though-- while mathematical proofs and the like can definitely be universally considered to be "good" and "elegant", not everyone will consider it to be "art". Also, I particularly enjoy instrumental music, but it's based on some very human ideas, too-- rhythm, music theory, stylistic concepts. It's very hard to make a good recording if you pay no heed to whether or not the notes flow in a pattern pleasing to a human ear; in fact, if you have no idea what pleases the human ear, it's damn near impossible.
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Why am I not surprised? haha
The correlation between the two films is obvious. The correlation between them, and the Anonymous bullshit Coward remarking on them, is that they draw faceless, gutless losers to spout obnoxious crap, without any sense, facts, or even criticisms.
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