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Amazon Search Bar Will Track Your Browsing
Limit writes "There has been a lot of discussion regarding GMail and Google's privacy policies. However, with the recent debut of Amazon's A9.com, I havn't seen any mention to the information they intend to collect. I saw this article today, "The history server stores -- on our servers -- your history of interaction with us for the purpose of bringing that back to you in a very convenient way ... If you install the toolbar, then all your Web browsing, as well as all your searching, is stored as well." Where is all the media hype about this privacy issue?"
If they see me browsing freshmeat.net, and sourceforge all the time will they send me free stuff?
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Is anyone reminded of asinine when reading A9? I think that we should officially coin the term and use it until asinine changes their name.
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if u read /.'s comments on the a9 rls u would find that the privacy issues were already commented..
No-one thought there would be much difference in having another piece of spyware on your machine. I mean 29? 30? So what. http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/04/16/172923 8&mode=nested&tid=109&tid=126&tid=172&tid=185&tid= 187&tid=190&tid=201
Bad analogies are like waxing a monkey with a rainbow.
Google is just a company started by a few geeks that made it big because they give an excellent service and that's it. Amazon is infested by the long tentacles of certain corporations and that's what matters to their business.
Guess which one is going to be slammed by the "traditional media" time and again.
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Seems to me that installing any third party browser add-on is only asking for trouble.
Why add another executable that will sap some your system resources while at the same time be able to monitor your surfing habits?
Doesn't make a whole hell of a lot of sense to me...
The problem with socialism is that they always run out of other people's money. - Margaret Thatcher
What is it about evil corporations?
I mean, amazon already makes a $$$ off books, videos and games, so I ask why do they have to go all 1984 on us. Google have some kind of legitimate excuse already in that advertising is the only real way for google to make money.
Is targeted advertising on the internet really worth it? I mean serious.. how much is the bad PR costing them?
Simon
It's a Feature, not a Bug. Seriously though - that is partly what the search bar is for - to let you keep your search history.
The web-search (a9.com) when you are logged in does the same.
Anyone who signs up for a "free" service without reading the small print deserves what they get, just like with any other 'unbelievably-good' offer...
Simon.
Physicists get Hadrons!
I always want my browser to cache my Google search strings like it caches my web URLs - searching Google from my URL address field is the best Web improvement since Flash. And I want that typeahead history recall option in the address field in *all* my browsers: work, home, phone, friend's computer. So I want a server, but I want *my* server. I don't want Amazon storing it, and not just for privacy: I want all my searches, Google, Amazon, Yahoo, PriceWatch, to show up in the same address field. These competitors can't do that. But a third party can. And a third party can offer encrypted storage and transmission of my search metadata, so they can legitimately promise not to comb my personal search terms, selling me out to targetted advertisers and busybodies.
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Personally, if an application can use my search records to provide me with more information I'm actually interested in, I'd welcome the oppurtunity. If anyone is concerned with privacy, they don't need to install it! I'm still waiting for the time to come when I don't have to watch tampon commercials on my television!
People are going crazy over this stuff, but they forget the fact that these services are not required. If you're paranoid and concerned that Google and Amazon are going to sell you down the river, don't use it! It's that simple.
Where's the outrage against Microsoft for allowing all of this seething spyware to install itself so easily? Likewise, where's the bad press about companies that are hawking this garbage and actively selling your information without permission? I can't tell you how many machines I've had to clean out this sludge from. Thank G-d for Mozilla!
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The Google Toolbar does this also. I don't know about A9's, but Google's asks you when you install it if you want the advanced features, which require it to communicate back to Google.
There was a discussion on this topic a day or two ago. Take a look at this /. forum when you get a chance. Good stuff really. Many ramblings about the possible fallout of this type of info accumulation.
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People really need to get over these privacy concerns and actually look at real issues (DMCA, MPAA / RIAA). The media latches onto these issues because google and amazon are big names; the reality of logging is that every server does it!
Slashdot is logging us right now - via apache. We're logged / monitored throughout life, and there is ultimatly little we can do about it. Better to move onto more important issues.
Cool, now you can visit pr0n sites, and *never* be able to delete your history.
Based on your browsing habits, we have chosen to offer great deals on Viagra for you! (sound familiar?)
Don't use it.
h at Choices and Access Do I Have?
Want to use it?
The full quote:
"The history server stores -- on our servers -- your history of interaction with us for the purpose of bringing that back to you in a very convenient way. Whenever you come to the site, we can show you what you searched for in the past in a very easy-to-organize fashion. If you want to hide some of that, you can opt out at any time. If you install the toolbar, then all your Web browsing, as well as all your searching, is stored as well. And we are working on many different ways to improve that."
You can opt-out.
Still demand your Constiutional Right to this private service?
From: http://www.a9.com/-/company/privacypolicy.jsp
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If you would prefer not to be recognized on our site, we recommend that you use our alternate service located at generic.A9.com. On generic.A9.com, we will not recognize your A9.com or Amazon.com cookie. Information we gather on generic.A9.com will not be used in our data analysis (other than to detect abuse) and will not be used to personalize the services we offer you."
Still not enough for you?
May I suggest: http://zapatopi.net/afdb.html
The surprise isn't how often we make bad choices; the surprise is how seldom they defeat us.
Where's the hype?
Duh! Amazon isn't a California-based company! Google is!
I installed a9 when it debuted last week. For me, the privacy-utility trade off has fallen on the useful side. A9 doesnt do anything that you couldnt do if you
a. searched google
b. searched Amazon's Inside the Book
c. kept a running blog to document your thoughts on all the pages you visit
used your history bar in your browser
Bringing all this functionality together in one app adds value to me.
This has worked for me in the trial phase... will have to rethink the long-term privacy implications in a couple weeks.
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Hey slashdot does it too. OMG!! MY PRIVACY IS BEING INVADED!!!
Jeez, get over yourselves.
...to disrespect the user's privacy like that, it's really not an issue if you're using any decent browser. If you bring this up with your Windows-using friends, it might get them to at least start using Firefox.
"Screw slashdot." -- Linus Torvalds
See http://toolbar.google.com/privacy.html
You can turn it of by disabling the advanced features. It's part of what makes pagerank work.
Right now your IP address is being broadcast to the world. It may shock and disturb many of you, but it is true. Until we can fix this problem, we will never have privacy on the web.
There are enough stupid people out there that will download this tool bar to make it worthwhile. These are the same ones who have spy-ware, ad-ware, and virus infected machines because they won't learn.
Proof that some people are just to stupid to own computers.
Professional Politicians are not the solution, they ARE the problem.
This "invasion of privacy" is not really an involuntary invasion. You have to know the risks of installing such software on your machine. If you voluntarily let someone into your home, are they invading your privacy by keeping track (in any fashion) of what you happen to be doing? I say no, because by allowing them in and not having unbreakable rules then you are allowing them to at very least keep track of what they see. This all goes back to advertising and squeezing every last penny out of it. The media makes pretty much all of their money with advertising, so of course they will not investigate their own questionable procedures lest they incriminate themselves in their own publications. Just because the spyware is coming from Amazon doesn't mean that it's newsworthy. I hate it just as much as everyone else here does, but you have to understand that if they think they can make money off of it, they'll do it. Companies like Amazon couldn't care less about having every customer being happy. As long as the money keeps pouring in they'll think they're doing everything right.
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Slashdot may be influential however the people who tend to install spyware don't know better and are unlikly to read slashdot. I found the google toolbar to be fairly useful when I ran windows. I knew it tracked some data bout what pages I was more active on but that was the entire basis of their page ranking system, and their page ranking system is why many of us like google so much.
:-D ) not all logging/monitoring is bad. It depends on its intended use.
So remember next time you are reading the privicy policy (if anyone does, unlike me
Will this be for Windows IE only like the Google toolbar?
More skewed results SE results neglecting other browsers and platforms.
There should be a legislation to ban any company to store browsing, searching records, attributable to specific persons/households/institutions.
If any legislator is in doubt, Slashdot should organize a challange: if any politician is willing to submit a couple of months of this data for content analysis, I can guarantee that I can scare the shit out of them...
Dear elected representatives, anybody upto it?
Who dares to put his/her money where his/her browsing/search data is?
Right on, I guess it's just the difference in how we view these two companies. We're probably more doubtful of Amazon's intentions simply becuase they're in the business of selling stuff directly to us, but I think we might do better to fear the Google Toolbar's data collection more- Google has a lot of very smart people who are paid to recognize trends in huge amounts of data.
Or you could just use something like Firefox, which has its own Google toolbar functionality....
...and that's it and that's the only thing I need, is this. I don't need this or this. Just Privacy. And this paddle game, privacy and the paddle game and that's all I need. And this remote control. My privacy, the paddle game, and the remote control, and that's all I need. And these matches. My privacy, and these matches, and the remote control and the paddle ball. And this lamp. My privacy, this paddle game and the remote control and the lamp and that's all I need. And that's all I need too. I don't need one other thing, not one - I need this. The paddle game, and the chair, and the remote control, and the matches, for sure. And this. And that's all I need. My privacy, the remote control, the paddle game, this magazine and the chair.
And while I'm quoting from the Jerk, my all time favorite...
I don't care about losing all the money. It's losing all the stuff.
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" Where is all the media hype about this privacy issue?"
I dunno, I can't seem to find any privacy concerns between my Konqueror and A9........
Simple: Amazon isn't exactly a competitor of Microsoft's like Google is. Clearly M$ had bought out the world's media outlooks to give Google an unfair shake. Hey, we all know this could be true ;)
It's not like if it was cleverly cloaked. They're pretty open about it - you're trading in some privacy for some convenience. I mean, not everyone browses porn of embarassing kinds they wouldn't like other people to see.
If it's useful enough, I could see myself thinking of installing it at the Win32 box I use at work. I mostly just look at slashdot and my webmail (hosted at my home Linux computer) anyway.
I mean, gee, there's always a trade-off between convenience and privacy. Not everyone's encrypting all their outbound email with a note on how to install PGP.
The later incarnations of Mozilla (Firefox) have done some nice things with their search function, both for the history and browsing in general. Why would anyone want to entertain the notion of using beacon software like the Amazon toolbar? Of course, I don't buy anything from Amazon, so maybe that's another reason this isn't a big issue for me. So far, my favorite online book vendor is nerdbooks.com- nice people, great service, and NO SPYING.
Yes, there are some nasty privacy issues, so one needs to pick the partner carefully (as if your ISP doesn't know your browsing history). What is interesting is that services like A9 and GMail create a new level of personalization in which the massive technological scope of an Amazon or Google is put to work for individuals.
Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do.
What do you expect, "outrage"? Are you an activist in search of an issue? What exactly bothers you that Amazon would like to track where you go and then market things to you? Don't like it? Don't use it. What's next? Amazon has law passed to PLACE CHIP IN YOUR HEAD! Please! Get a life.
"Who are in control, they are not in control of anything - they don't even control themselves!" - Glen Beck
Pricing that (at least in my experience) will probably beat Amazon any day.
I was so upset about reading that Amazon was tracking my searches that I checked all my other programs for similar privacy violations. What I found may shock and appall some of you.
It must have been that last service pack I downloaded or that damn Auto Update, but you'll never believe it. INTERNET EXPLORER TRACKS YOUR BROWSING! Not only does it track every link you click on it also saves every image or web page you view. I found a hidden cache of html, images, flash files, audio files... everything I've looked at for weeks was there!
There was even a whole folder full of thousands of cookies! Websites sometimes use them I'm told, but that damn microsoft has been stealing them from websites I browse and backing them up in a secret folder on my hard drive. I deleted them and now all my web site preferences are gone and some of the sites I use don't log me in automatically anymore. Microsoft must have detected that I deleted them and they are demonstrating their power over me.
Well that's it I've had it I'm not going to take it any more! I'm switching to Mozilla today. Take that Microsoft.
P.S. Wal-Mart is switching everything to RFID tags, but that's where I get my tinfoil from. Does anyone have a good source of 1990s era tin foil? I've been using my baked potato tin foil to kill the RFID tags, but it doesn't always stick right and the wife refuses to wear her tinfoil hat at all now. I'm not sure if she can be trusted any longer...
Firefox doesn't have Google toolbar functionality. It has a Google search box, but that's it. It doesn't support any of the other features of the toolbar (like viewing Pagerank). If all you want is a Google search box, you can get the that and more in IE by installing the Google toolbar and telling it not to communicate with Google.
It's hard to be religious when certain people are never incinerated by bolts of lightning.
The reason you see so much outrage against voluntary services is that the web is a mass medium. When you have hundreds of thousands of unaware average consumers sign up for a compromising service, it's an approval for the company to require the service for ALL users in the future. It's the same with phone/cable/net bundles. Once you get a critical mass of people on board, companies can force the rest to adopt the same by either cancelling old services, or simply requiring all people to meet the new "standard". Unfortunately, your vote (your dollar) doesn't have meaningful sway in such a liquid environment. The wave of the masses can overrun your choice pretty easily because the only regulator is the market. Voluntary services used to be arbitrated quite well by individual choice, but the speed and ease of signing up, especially by accepting restrictions by default, makes the web an easy place for monopolistic companies to force their standards by stealth.
I find it to be extremely disturbing that people (especially slashdotters, apparently) are willing to give tracking information with such little reservation. It's gotten to the point where people say "well, i'd like amazon to know what i search, so they can give me better content."
Perhaps I'm just one in the paranoid crowd, but it seems to me that it's a bad idea to have everything "personalized". I don't want to have advertisements directed at my predicted statistical response to them. I find it particularly intrusive to try and predict what I'm most likely to buy, then flood me with advertisements crafted for my demographic. I'd like to keep the companies *outside* of my head.
And of course, everyone says "well, it's just a service, you don't have to use it", but if these kind of things are seen as acceptable, at some point it will become so universal that even if you don't want to be tracked and 'targetted', you won't have a choice. What happens if in a few years, to make any purchase online, I have to agree to having every site I vist tracked? Is it *really* that unrealistic? Would most people really object? I think the answer is beginning to change.
I still prefer Amazon, they ship internationally and nerdbooks.com doesn't.
1. How long before someone writes an open-source google toolbar clone that will kill popups and allow you to search from the toolbar?
2. Does this exist already? Or, what's the best popup killer for IE that is open-source (so we know it isn't sending browser history to the mother ship)?
As the old adage goes, everyone can find out what you're doing online, they just don't have any meaningful (or easy) way of linking that information to your identity.
What's happening here is that now Amazon can do just that. They already have all the details they'll ever need about you, such as name, address and credit card number(s), they just added a way to correlate all your book searches to that identity, and now apparently all your browsing history too. Is this really that valuable to the common person? Do WE need to know every book we've ever browsed or every page we've ever visited? Marketing types will no doubt love this, but seriously, how will all this information ever work for you more than to whoever is hosting it?
Now every time I log in they are recommend that I but an "Emabrace of the Vampire" DVD
The simple answer: ordinary people don't care that much. And they won't generate bad PR.
For instance, ordinary people have trouble finding the options to set the home page of MSIE to their liking. Everything seems too complex. Web pages are cluttered with tons of information normal people don't need. (By the way, the Google home page is a good example of design which is easy to grasp for anyone)
Ordinary people are just glad to get away with shopping in Amazon as easy as possible. If Amazon is going to track their behaviour and show them advertisements, there's a good chance they don't care, for example:
This is not to say ordinary people are stupid or anything. Most people don't have time to delve deeply into anything other than what they have to do daily at work or as a hobby. So, all this "online and computer thing" becomes a murky place they don't quite understand. Let alone the intricacies of what the web shop is going to do with the tracking information it gets from you.
Ignorance is bliss, but if you take away that ignorance, if you educate the ordinary people, they will know better. You could try to educate some computer-illiterate persons you know.
For example, you can play with the idea of Google (or any super-popular search engine) storing "everything" it indexes as well as all search strings. Playing along with some other big web companies, it's possible to pinpoint your traces inside Google. Then suppose an anti-bovine military regime takes over the USA. If the Google searches you've done have been "cowherding", "love for cows", "zen of moo" etc. there would be a good chance you'd get a visit from the Homeland Secret Police or such and get thrown to a concentration camp for anti-governmental behaviour (or just thrown there, it's not like they'd need a reason). Try telling something like that to your grandparents or parents, or aunt, or whoever is not well versed with computers. Will they consider it science fiction? Probably, and rightly so. But it's a distantly plausible scenario, nevertheless. A small amount of paranoia is healthy, if only to be aware of the possibilities.
I'm sure you can find other far-fetched examples yourself. For the ordinary person, however, this kind of example is something they cannot imagine themselves. Since they cannot imagine it, they cannot see it as a threat (or a possibility or a good thing). They have to rely on the advice of others.
And remember, you can kill with a hammer or you can build a house. It's the same with any technology. It's not good or evil by itself, but its use defines where it'll land in that rating.
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Why bother using A9 -- a brand new, vendor-specific solution implementing privacy policies that are in the vendor's interests, and not the end user's? Google has proven that it's more willing to preserve end users' privacy, and to clearly state in what manner their information will be served.
Personally, I'd trust Google over Amazon any day. Google was founded by two geeks, serves a huge community of geeks, runs geek technology (Linux) as their core infrastructure, and stands to profit not by selling a service that respects the wishes not only of advertisers, but the user base it serves. Amazon was built by a marketing guru who stands to profit mainly by pushing product, and has already proven (different prices for same product, anyway) that it does not cater to users as much as those who wish to hawk their wares.
OH NO! A9 IS GOING TO TRACK OUR SEARCHES AND BROWSING IN ORDER TO SHOW US STUFF WE MAY LIKE! Come on people. It's not like A9 is going to record passwords that we type, and it's not like they're going to print our credit card numbers. It's not like they know us "in person" and are going to come over and kidnap our children. It's not like a "cookie" (refrence: cookie, first shown definition, item #3), aka A PIECE OF TEXT is going to allow someone to bankrupt our banking accounts. "Privacy concerns" are far overrated (on the interenet at least). Geez people, think. These are not exactly Mr. l33t down the corner who wouldn't mind your credit card, these are companies who actually have a sense of business ethic. (Note: addressing websites, not things such as gator/etc.) Any "big privacy debate" is always with a big company of sorts, and it's nearly always over a text file that's stored away on your hard drive, that you put there by your own choice. Google isn't going to go out there and publish your e-mails. A9 isn't going to provide a page with your name, address, e-mail, and a list of everything you looked for for other companies. Privacy concers are largely overrated. If you actually have something on your computer that would do such things, it's only there because you chose to install it. "No I didn't! It just appeared! I swear I did not install that!" The only people with the issues are the ones that don't know how to use a computer. (*sighs*...well I feel better now :P)
It's not privacy people are yelling about; it's the PERCEPTION of privacy. Lots of folks have known all along that these little spies have been getting installed on people's computers. Some of them have actually done something about it; they install and run software like Spybot Search and Destroy. A few will even switch to an alternate browser like Mozilla to help keep spyware off their machines. But largely they don't care unless it jumps up and bites them on the backside. GMail was planning to do just that, by targeting ads based on message content. Never mind the information would never be audited by a human, it's just the reminder that it's not private that's rankling.
"Symbolism over substance", as Rush Limbaugh pointed out; to most people, it doesn't matter if they have privacy so long as they can pretend they have it. Just like they can vote for people who lie their asses off (and I'm not even going to draw a distinction between either Republicrat party), just so long as they can PRETEND they're electing people who have their best interests at heart.
Not you swordboy, but everybody.
If you install a plugin into your browser, it is tracking where you go and what you do, sending that data back to some server somewhere for processing.
Not just Amazon. You can pretty much be sure if you have any browser bar plug-in where you type stuff and it does stuff - you are being tracked. If the one you have isn't doing it yet, the programmers are adding it for the next release.
That is all, carry on.
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I'm using a kazoo to make "modem noises" on my telephone line, and have trained myself to read Slashdot from the analog data that comes back.
Freedom: "I won't!"
Opera Has a search bar built in that you just drag down to select where your searching. It defaults to google, but theres AllTheWeb, super search, Amazon, news Search, TechTracker Search, and half a dozen others, wish there was IMDB search too, but anywho... This seems to be the functionality of both the Google and Amazon toolbars without tracking
"Sic Semper Tyrannosaurus Rex."
When you install the Google toolbar in IE. It asks you if you want to turn on the PageRank feature which sends information back to google.
I suppose the difference is that google is probably not keeping track of an individual users browsing habits vs just browsing habits, whereas amazon will keep track of your individual habits so they can try to display proper ads to you.
This is absolutely no different than if you're browsing amazon.com's site logged in except that you're searching the web instead of just amazon.
Right?
The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either. - Benjamin Franklin
Interesting point. I'm on DSL. I have my own IP (although it's not required, there are plenty of free DNS sites), I have my own email server (qMail on RH9), honestly in 15 years, I've NEVER had a free email account.
"Who are in control, they are not in control of anything - they don't even control themselves!" - Glen Beck
Oh, sorry, I forgot, the patent expired. But can you handle interlaced GIFs? I find those quite hard. Also CSS is a bit of a pain to handle mentally.
One day there will be plugins for the brain.
There's Google Watch.
There's Yahoo Watch.
And there's also Amazon Watch.
Amazon's privacy policy is very explicit, and they do have the generic version available that doesn't track you. Anyone who fails to use the generic version is asking for a comprehensive, personally-identifiable profile at Amazon/Alexa/a9.com that they cannot review and cannot delete. Amazon is very up front about this.
All such profiling, whether done by Google, Yahoo, or Amazon, is presently justified by the Holy Grail of "personalized search." But who needs personalized search when the cost is so high to your personal privacy? This is what the focus should be on -- criticizing all those pundits who help the profilers by trumpeting the possibilities of personalized search.
After all, 99 times out of 100 you can "personalize" any search on any search engine by merely adding one additional word in the search box to limit the results that are returned. Personalized search is for lazy people, but even these people don't deserve to be cyber-fingerprinted everywhere they go online.
You don't let a two-year-old play with matches, and you shouldn't let programmers at search engines play with "personalized search."
Just a few miles above your head. Sure is a huge company. The point is that none of the "usual" big octopus corporations have their tentacles on it (yet), the geeks that started it are still the geeks that run it. Unlike Amazon.
Hope it's clear enough for you Mr. Dumbass. Perhaps next time you should spend more time thinking and less time being offended.
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AH yes, the young comunists / socialists that still think Google is "for the people". Did GMail not teach you anything? "Troll"? Maybe you need to get off the herb and smell some fresh air.
Amazon does this all the time, they advertise other products that they think you might be interested in. Therefore, I see no controversy in google automagically displaying ads to you based on the contents of your email. They aren't invading your privacy at all. Amazon, now this is a new and different problem. You have a tool, that you think will help you search the web better, and instead that's it's secondary feature. Amazon is making money on collecting your private information, and openly saving it for future use. Seems extremely shady to me.
I write code.
Another brilliant JSP-driven site that borks out if you don't send the HTTP Referrer header. Anyone know why JSP programmers find it so hard to account for that? Or is it built-in to JSP, or what?
"Those who consume the bulk of goods are those who make them. We must never forget this secret of our prosperity."
Come to think of it, here's an idea for a cool app: a P2P bookmark swap app with a ratings system like iTunes. No corporate shills, just people rating sites.
Of course, this idea will get modded down pretty darn fast once the Slashdot editors figure out what rating they'd get...
I'm not normally an irrational zealous dickhead, but I figure "When in Rome..."
correct: to transfer http request and response using telnet.
you make it sound like using telnet as a packet generator.
Amazon owns Alexa, which has a Toolbar that sends your browsing habits to Amazon for rankings and analysis.
a9 likely uses Alexa data to generate better search results, and the a9 toolbar likely sends data to Alexa and/or a9 for analysis.
Yep, I think that's right.
Why hasn't there been a slashdot article about the google toolbar tracking your browsing? you turn on the advanced mode and every url you go to is sent to google.
God I love Mozilla! You want spyware free browser add-ons? Check MozDev's active projects.
Search-related projects on MozdevGoogleBar- Emulates the Google toolbar that only works in IE
Companion- Emulates the Yahoo! Companion toolbar in Mozilla.
Easysearch- Offers a search toolbar with more general coverage of many search engines.
ExPASybar- Searches the ExPASy database of biomolecules.
Mycroft- Collection of search plugins for Mozilla's sidebar search (formerly known as Sherlock)
Gimli- Another project to re-create popular toolbars, starting with a dictionary.
NeedleSearch- Allows users to search using search engines installed in Mozilla, or add a new search string to the toolbar automatically.
Pubmed- Searches the NLM/Medline database of articles and citations in the field of medicine.
Qlookup- Add Google search to the context menu
J'aime mieux les méchants que les imbéciles, parce qu'ils se reposent. -- Alexandre Dumas
but the google toolbar is also known spyware
Here's a funny idea, if you don't like Google or Amazon's privacy policies then don't user their services. Fucking amazing, isn't it?
Well almost all free toolbar services track your searches. For example, the google toolbar, by default does, as does the Alexa toolbar. Dont let this prevent you of your sleep, it's just the internet.
If you've been on the internet more than 6 months and you don't have at least 3000 porn sites *bookmarked*, you should have your net privileges taken away.
I've been on the Internet for eleven years and I don't have a single pr0n site bookmarked. Why bother when people upload gigs of it to Usenet every day.
Les Miserables Volume 1 now up with my reading of
That's ok, I installed a web cam in the Amazon company bathroom. Initially I did it because my buddies were always talking about Amazon women but frankly I'm not that impressed. Oh well, to each their own. Now eBay women... w00t!
I remember 3 years ago Amazon was busted for using its customer information to charge some customers more money for the same products depending on what region of the country they lived in.
I stopped using them right then and there except to read book reviews.
I will just cull the ISBN and then go to Best Book Buys: http://www.bestbookbuys.com
They sell videos and music too.
You will a list of comparison prices from about a dozen online sellers, ranked by price, including shipping, with the cheapest price up top.
Steve
why is that?
If you are not a liberal at 20 you have no heart. If you are not a conservative at 40 you have no brain.
Actually, I was a conservative at 20, and am now a liberal at 40. What's that make me?
Google is not a religion, a form of tantric sex
What, you mean you've never heard of the Ancient Google Genital Kiss and it's capacity to extend orgasm to over twelve hours long?
PLEASE STOP MASTURBATING ABOUT IT
If you'd ever experienced the Ancient Google Genital Kiss, you wouldn't be able to stop masturbating about it either.
Now pardon me while I go and fetch some more lube...
Mod up FUNNY
He's probably referring to Googlebar.
Still, Firefox's Googlebar doesn't implement any of the features that require info to be sent to Google. If it did, it would have the same privacy issues as IE's Googlebar.
It's hard to be religious when certain people are never incinerated by bolts of lightning.
Maybe you were modded down for being so "direct" about it, but on this I have to agree with you.
(flame on!)
It's a little like the Apple thing, even though they do make a better computer.
(flame off!)
What?
There are so many of these toolbars for IE out now. Has anyone tried installing all of them? Is it possible to push the content off the page and completely fill the screen with toolbars?
Amazon.com is a website. Period. Their relationship with you consists of selling you books and other things occasionally, and that's it. There's absolutely no excuse for them prying into anybody's web browsing habits, or collecting any information not necessary for sales transactions.
I've bought plenty of books from Amazon.com, but I have removed them from my favorites list and from this moment forward they get no more of my money, ever. Store that on your hard drive, Jeff.
What you say?
You are not root, go away.
Okay, I guess I shouldn't try to be funny before I've had my first cup of coffee of the day. Or until the mods have, one or the other.
IT WAS A JOKE. But here's the explanation for you lesser beings in easy to understand fourth grade english: The article is talking about search engines spying on people. My JOKE is that I've bookmarked every porn site already (ha ha!) so I'm not worried, because I no longer NEED a search engine.
It was a joke. -1, Unfunny, perhaps, but not offtopic. THIS post is offtopic. See how bad moderation creates crap posts?
I'm not normally an irrational zealous dickhead, but I figure "When in Rome..."
True. But then, as you point out, you kill the associated features by disabling that communication in Google's toolbar. Otherwise, many (if not all) of the other features are available via googlebar. You don't need the Google toolbar and IE.
If your only purpose is to make money to the shareholders, and methods don't matter, and screw everybody else (because if not, you make less money), you ARE EVIL. Period.
--Coder
Such as on my blog, and at the University of Tennessee's SunSITE page. The SunSITE pages also links to other sites that have posted information.
Because Amazon tells potential customers upfront what they're doing with the data generated in a search, it isn't a privacy issue.
If you agree to an interview with the local TV news anchor, are you going to whine about privacy when they run the clip at 11 o'clock?
If you don't won't Amazon to store data about you, don't use it.
-- Slashdot: When Public Access TV Says "No"
Tracking can be a good thing. I like the fact that Amazon "Tracks" me when I buy stuff, because they can make it easier to find stuff when I want it. I like the fact that they remember my name address and credit card because I don't have to type it in every time. I do most of my online shopping with Amazon, not because they are a wonderful company, but because they make it fast and easy. And they do that by "tracking" me.
Likewise, I prefer the "targeted" Google ads to the pre-tracking "catch the flying monkey" banners. The google ads are actually useful -- because they show me stuff I'm actually interested in. They can do that because they track me. Targeted advertising makes the internet interesting. I'll point out that Slashdot ads are the same way. Slashdot shows ads about web hosting and server sales, and so forth, because they "target" slashdot readers. I'd be willing to bet those ads are more useful to you than "Win a trip for two to Hawaii", it which case targeted advertising actually helped you
If A9.com can show me search results that are more likely to be useful, that's a good thing. If they have to track my browsing to do that, that's fine. Yeah, they'll make money off of me. But if they didn't, they wouldn't be there at all. It's not an invasion of my privacy to collect information about me. If they use it to track me down and beat me, that's an invasion of my privacy. If they use it to make their web sites easier to use (as, in my experience, Amazon has -- see first paragraph of this post) I not only don't mind, I want them to do it
I like A9 so far. It's almost (although not quite) as clean an interface as Google, but I like their site reviews features, and their integration with Alexa/Internet Archive (Amazon owns Alexa, so this is no surprise, but it's still useful).
I'll probably burn some karma for this, but I can't help but feel that there are some out there who wave the privacy flag simply in order to justify, mask or excuse their own anti-social behaviour.
No, this isn't a troll - I just think that not every story that involves someone watching what someone else is doing shoudl have life-ending privacy concerns. In this case, you have to invite the company to watch you in the first place! If I invite, say, a plumber or electrician into my house, I'm going to have to accept the fact that they may see (shock! horror!) me going about my normal everyday business.
If some of these privacy advocates had their way, none of us would talk to or interact with anyone else *ever*.
"You can justify anything by putting it in quotes, adding a famous name and making it a sig" - Albert Einstein
1) as long as my history is not given to a third-party in connection with any identifying marks, fine.
2) if you dont like it, dont use it!
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http://www.ironfroggy.com/
I think instead of "u", you meant "you."
ever since I started using GMail for my al-Qaida mail, they've began to show all these ads for chemical weapons, sniper rifles, camelse.cx, cheap flights to countries without a prisoner exchange treaties with the US.....
...but at least I can hide if everything goes wrong... also offers for getting breast/penis enlargement and AFFORDABLE cosmetic surgery if it all fails!
what about the extra overhead all these tracking toolbars and reporting tools add to the bandwidth ?
Maybe its miniscule per user, but over the net as a whole it must contribute to slower access/response times, or in other words, increased latency.
Are you trolling or do you actually have some rationale behind your comment?
The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either. - Benjamin Franklin