Same here. I use a lot of PuTTY for SSH'ing to my home box from my phone (Nokia E90) and I can safely say that the GPRS/EDGE latency is absolutely terrible when using a terminal application.
3G/HSDPA has noticably lower latency and editing text over SSH is nowhere near the frustration it was with GPRS/EDGE.
But yeah, I'm sure the article author's iPhone is great and does everything he wants.
Argh! Even the OQO 01 got that one.. The qualifier keys are all sticky.
Press once, the LED next to the key starts blinking. Now the key is sticky for one keypress.. If you press the qualifier twice before pressing something else, the LED lights continuously, and the key is now stuck down until you press it a third time.
Thus ctrl-alt-del means pressing ctrl alt and fn one at a time and then pressing backspace/del at your leisure. No need for acrobatics or super speed on the user's behalf.
I don't believe that the flipstart guys managed to design a keyboard without sticky qualifiers.. Unless they did and made it so unintuitive that no-one understood that the keys are indeed sticky?
I like the way the people on Slashdot always complain about new multitalented phones. Don't buy them if they don't suit your needs or work properly in your networks!
Nokia and all other manufacturers have plenty of entry level, sub $100, "calls only" style phones in the product portfolio for you critical consumers to purchase.
I like my 9500, soon to be replaced with an E70 (I want more CPU power and 3G). Yes, I use the camera daily (sending MMSes to friends/moblog).. I listen to MP3s and C-64 SIDs often from my 1GB MMC card. I use it for GPS navigation with TomTom mobile when I'm driving in an unknown town. I use PuTTY over GPRS or WLAN for remote terminals every day on it.
They wouldn't make these if there weren't people willing to buy them.. And usually the will to buy comes from a need for some certain features.
Even before the world standardized on Microsoft Office, and people were using Word Perfect and Lotus Office, saying that an Amiga 500 was a proper computer was the equivalent of saying that an XBox 360 is a 'real' computer now.
I ran WP (4.1 I think it was) on my A500 from diskettes and it worked the same as on the PC. Oh yeah, I also had the use of my mouse and graphical menus to select functions from, when PC users had to press ctrl-shift-alt-whatever to get underlined text (I think they had some sort of paper keyboard overlays for most PC software back then, because no-one could memorise the keycombos otherwise?:-)..
Btw, my computer could also display underlined text on my screen, where the PC only turned it another colour to indicate it was going to be underlined when you print it. At least so I remember when my dad showed his work laptop (some toshiba luggable) that was running DOS and WP.. State of the art indeed!:-)
Also we had other, actually WYSIWYG capable word processors already back in the late 80s. (ProWrite, Scribble!, KindWords, etc) And yes, also spreadsheets..
Even though most people only played games on an unexpanded A500, that same toy computer could actually do "real computer stuff" too, while pre-emptively multitasking (not co-operatively, like Linus Torvalds claims) in a GUI environment since 1985.. Of course you don't get far without a hard drive and some extra ram, but neither do you get very far with a floppy only PC.. Certainly not as far as a multitasking gui OS that boots from a single 880kB floppy!
You could say the CD32 was the XBox of it's day (this back in 1993) as it only came with a top loading CD drive, no floppy/hard drive or keyboard.
Uh oh, I fell victim to the Amiga persecution complex again.. Sorry.
You don't just forget a layout you've been using for 22 years. You might lose a bit of speed with qwerty, but it's a non-issue.
I've been using a "Finnish dvorak" layout that a hobbyist over here designed..
Also it seems that I'm bi-keyboard even in QWERTY.. the Finnish symbol layout is totally different to the US symbol layout (only !#%,. are in the same place) and I can mentally switch between either very quickly if I have to sit down at a US keyboard.
It seems that all my years of using my Amiga with the US keyboard layout paid off.. started using localized keyboards only when I went PC.:-)
Hmm, whenever I mod something, I intend to get something more out of it, like for example at the moment I'm in the middle of modifying my Saab 9000 2.3 LPT into a full pressure turbo..
I intend to make full use of the added horsepower and torque!:-)
Future Crew did theirs in Pascal with some bits done in inline assembler.
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Heh, old CBM 8-bits had a Microsoft derived basic, so you're in the same boat as the PC crowd by that analogy..:-)
Commodore did have an interesting license with MS - I don't think MS got one cent of royalties on machines after the PET, even though they did write the original basic interpreter for C=:-)
The Benefon Esc! has been out for quite some time now (around a year, IIRC).
http://www.benefon.com/products/esc/index.htm
Of course from Finland, where the best mobile phones come from.:^)
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I went to see the comments and already knew what to expect..
1) It's going to die just like Be / whatever 2) Ok, so it'll run 10 year old software / a few old amiga games, so what?
So:
- If you say it'll die because of the same causes Be died, you're wrong. Be was totally new, but the new Amiga compatible systems build on an existing user base (albeit small) and existing application base. It's enough to get started and if the better CPUs allow developers to do more cool stuff, perhaps someone's head will turn.
- It won't run any old Amiga games without an Amiga emulator, because it doesn't have Amiga's custom chips! These STILL aren't anything that resemble your old A500s.
- Amiga software development has been going on all the time in the last 10 years we've been without Commodore. We even got a new OS for the 68k machines in 2000. Y2k wasn't 10 years ago! The latest update was in March this year.
- The web browser I use at home has the copyright date set at 2002, the IRC client I use at home has the copyright date set at 2002.. There are word processors, image manipulators, etc, all released in the last few years.
Some of you are asking because you don't know, but some are just bashing without even wanting to find out. The latter is what gets to me.. What is wrong with you people? Go get laid or something..:-)
First the radio station has to pay Teosto (basically the equivalent of Ascap in.fi afaik) royalties for broadcasting the stuff, and then the one, whose speakers emit the broadcast in a public place, has to pay for the same music a second time.
And don't forget, you're mostly able to just recompile your RTG app for PPC, so the existing Amiga developers won't have a hard time creating MorphOS and AmigaOS4 native versions of their software.
What saddens me, however is why every time something new comes up in the Amiga world, there must be at least two mostly incompatible standards for it. When will they learn that the market isn't big enough for that.
The Amiga's never booted into such a small resolution..
The default is 640x200 for NTSC and 640x256 for PAL. Double the vertical res if you turn on interlace.
Of course after OS2.0 the Amiga got bigger modes too (not displayable on a normal TV frequency monitor, however)
Of course you can switch the Workbench to 320x200 or 320x256 but who in their right minds would want to.:-) If you don't have any more than that, you must design everything carefully to fit the resolution.. The Amiga's GUI is designed for 640x200 minimum.
Well, the new Amiga boards are really modified PPC pop boards too..
Please don't butcher the BeBox to fit a PC inside unless it's broken. It always disheartens me to see WORKING retro hardware changed into boring old PCs. If it works, sell it to a collector for profit.
I'm afraid the Pegasos computer + MorphOS operating system aren't chipset compatible. This means the same limitations as the AmigaOne + OS4.
So no, you won't be playing old trackloader-games without a Classic Amiga emulator, this is only for workbench applications that don't hit the hardware.
Then again, like I said previously, most modern Classic Amigas won't boot those good old games either without a lot of hacking and patching.
It's just one tradeoff that has had to be made in order to get newer and faster machines out..
The Amiga is a difficult machine to expand on because of the integrated nature of the architechture. Luckily people have devised ways of retargetting video and audio, so modern Amiga software isn't really dependant on the actual Amiga chipsets (OCS, ECS, AGA)
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Wow!
We had shadebobs in the Amiga demoscene back in the 90s.
Good to see oldskool effects making it into the mainstream.
Same here. I use a lot of PuTTY for SSH'ing to my home box from my phone (Nokia E90) and I can safely say that the GPRS/EDGE latency is absolutely terrible when using a terminal application.
3G/HSDPA has noticably lower latency and editing text over SSH is nowhere near the frustration it was with GPRS/EDGE.
But yeah, I'm sure the article author's iPhone is great and does everything he wants.
Argh! Even the OQO 01 got that one.. The qualifier keys are all sticky.
Press once, the LED next to the key starts blinking. Now the key is sticky for one keypress..
If you press the qualifier twice before pressing something else, the LED lights continuously, and the key is now stuck down until you press it a third time.
Thus ctrl-alt-del means pressing ctrl alt and fn one at a time and then pressing backspace/del at your leisure. No need for acrobatics or super speed on the user's behalf.
I don't believe that the flipstart guys managed to design a keyboard without sticky qualifiers.. Unless they did and made it so unintuitive that no-one understood that the keys are indeed sticky?
My 01+ was very robust, no mechanical or electrical problems. Now it's sold and I'm saving up for the 02. :-)
I like the way the people on Slashdot always complain about new multitalented phones. Don't buy them if they don't suit your needs or work properly in your networks!
Nokia and all other manufacturers have plenty of entry level, sub $100, "calls only" style phones in the product portfolio for you critical consumers to purchase.
I like my 9500, soon to be replaced with an E70 (I want more CPU power and 3G). Yes, I use the camera daily (sending MMSes to friends/moblog).. I listen to MP3s and C-64 SIDs often from my 1GB MMC card. I use it for GPS navigation with TomTom mobile when I'm driving in an unknown town. I use PuTTY over GPRS or WLAN for remote terminals every day on it.
They wouldn't make these if there weren't people willing to buy them.. And usually the will to buy comes from a need for some certain features.
I have a cat called f. :-)
I ran WP (4.1 I think it was) on my A500 from diskettes and it worked the same as on the PC. Oh yeah, I also had the use of my mouse and graphical menus to select functions from, when PC users had to press ctrl-shift-alt-whatever to get underlined text (I think they had some sort of paper keyboard overlays for most PC software back then, because no-one could memorise the keycombos otherwise?
Btw, my computer could also display underlined text on my screen, where the PC only turned it another colour to indicate it was going to be underlined when you print it. At least so I remember when my dad showed his work laptop (some toshiba luggable) that was running DOS and WP.. State of the art indeed!
Also we had other, actually WYSIWYG capable word processors already back in the late 80s. (ProWrite, Scribble!, KindWords, etc) And yes, also spreadsheets..
Even though most people only played games on an unexpanded A500, that same toy computer could actually do "real computer stuff" too, while pre-emptively multitasking (not co-operatively, like Linus Torvalds claims) in a GUI environment since 1985.. Of course you don't get far without a hard drive and some extra ram, but neither do you get very far with a floppy only PC.. Certainly not as far as a multitasking gui OS that boots from a single 880kB floppy!
You could say the CD32 was the XBox of it's day (this back in 1993) as it only came with a top loading CD drive, no floppy/hard drive or keyboard.
Uh oh, I fell victim to the Amiga persecution complex again.. Sorry.
You don't just forget a layout you've been using for 22 years. You might lose a bit of speed with qwerty, but it's a non-issue.
.. the Finnish symbol layout is totally different to the US symbol layout (only !#%,. are in the same place) and I can mentally switch between either very quickly if I have to sit down at a US keyboard.
:-)
I've been using a "Finnish dvorak" layout that a hobbyist over here designed..
Also it seems that I'm bi-keyboard even in QWERTY
It seems that all my years of using my Amiga with the US keyboard layout paid off.. started using localized keyboards only when I went PC.
Check it out, if you haven't seen satellite photos of it yet. The sheer size of that thing is amazing.
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http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=32.163291,-110.846
Just had to dig that out, since I've been quite interested in it for a long time now..
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http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=51.383400,30.11481
Heh, I remember people sending +++ATM2^M to modem users.. That's also very annoying. :-)
There wasn't really a proper Windows back in 1985 when AmigaOS hit the market. :-)
Back when ticalc.org was really thriving, this was pretty commonplace to do..
I turboed my TI-85 back in 1998.
The asian models 6108 and 3108 also have handwriting recognition, and they have been out for quite some time now.
:-)
It recognises latin alphabet too, but naturally it's primary use is for chinese letters, etc.
Much slower than tapping the keys, I can tell you.. I tried one back when they were new.
http://www.nokia-asia.com/nokia/0,,61400,00.html
Hmm, whenever I mod something, I intend to get something more out of it, like for example at the moment I'm in the middle of modifying my Saab 9000 2.3 LPT into a full pressure turbo..
:-)
I intend to make full use of the added horsepower and torque!
Future Crew did theirs in Pascal with some bits done in inline assembler.
Heh, old CBM 8-bits had a Microsoft derived basic, so you're in the same boat as the PC crowd by that analogy.. :-)
:-)
Commodore did have an interesting license with MS - I don't think MS got one cent of royalties on machines after the PET, even though they did write the original basic interpreter for C=
You can always log out and back in again! ;-)
The Benefon Esc! has been out for quite some time now (around a year, IIRC).
:^)
http://www.benefon.com/products/esc/index.htm
Of course from Finland, where the best mobile phones come from.
I went to see the comments and already knew what to expect..
.. There are word processors, image manipulators, etc, all released in the last few years.
:-)
1) It's going to die just like Be / whatever
2) Ok, so it'll run 10 year old software / a few old amiga games, so what?
So:
- If you say it'll die because of the same causes Be died, you're wrong. Be was totally new, but the new Amiga compatible systems build on an existing user base (albeit small) and existing application base. It's enough to get started and if the better CPUs allow developers to do more cool stuff, perhaps someone's head will turn.
- It won't run any old Amiga games without an Amiga emulator, because it doesn't have Amiga's custom chips! These STILL aren't anything that resemble your old A500s.
- Amiga software development has been going on all the time in the last 10 years we've been without Commodore. We even got a new OS for the 68k machines in 2000. Y2k wasn't 10 years ago! The latest update was in March this year.
- The web browser I use at home has the copyright date set at 2002, the IRC client I use at home has the copyright date set at 2002
Some of you are asking because you don't know, but some are just bashing without even wanting to find out. The latter is what gets to me.. What is wrong with you people? Go get laid or something..
Yep, the greed is endless.
.fi afaik) royalties for broadcasting the stuff, and then the one, whose speakers emit the broadcast in a public place, has to pay for the same music a second time.
First the radio station has to pay Teosto (basically the equivalent of Ascap in
And don't forget, you're mostly able to just recompile your RTG app for PPC, so the existing Amiga developers won't have a hard time creating MorphOS and AmigaOS4 native versions of their software.
What saddens me, however is why every time something new comes up in the Amiga world, there must be at least two mostly incompatible standards for it. When will they learn that the market isn't big enough for that.
The Amiga's never booted into such a small resolution..
:-) If you don't have any more than that, you must design everything carefully to fit the resolution .. The Amiga's GUI is designed for 640x200 minimum.
The default is 640x200 for NTSC and 640x256 for PAL. Double the vertical res if you turn on interlace.
Of course after OS2.0 the Amiga got bigger modes too (not displayable on a normal TV frequency monitor, however)
Of course you can switch the Workbench to 320x200 or 320x256 but who in their right minds would want to.
Well, the new Amiga boards are really modified PPC pop boards too..
Please don't butcher the BeBox to fit a PC inside unless it's broken. It always disheartens me to see WORKING retro hardware changed into boring old PCs. If it works, sell it to a collector for profit.
I'm afraid the Pegasos computer + MorphOS operating system aren't chipset compatible. This means the same limitations as the AmigaOne + OS4.
So no, you won't be playing old trackloader-games without a Classic Amiga emulator, this is only for workbench applications that don't hit the hardware.
Then again, like I said previously, most modern Classic Amigas won't boot those good old games either without a lot of hacking and patching.
It's just one tradeoff that has had to be made in order to get newer and faster machines out..
The Amiga is a difficult machine to expand on because of the integrated nature of the architechture. Luckily people have devised ways of retargetting video and audio, so modern Amiga software isn't really dependant on the actual Amiga chipsets (OCS, ECS, AGA)