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30 Years of Personal Computer Market Share

chiagoo writes "Ars Technica has a fantastic article that looks back at the most popular personal computers from the last 30 years. It covers everything from the Altair to the 8- and 16-bit eras to where we are today. A bit of a downer that they barely mentioned Linux and gave no mention to other significant OSes such as OpenBSD, but still a great read nonetheless."

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  1. Remember when? by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I can remember when you could measure a platform's popularity by the thickness of Computer Shopper.

    Back in the early 80's it was with Apple ][ clones -- Peaches, Oranges and various other fruit. Slowed a bit when Apple bit back on the people copying their ROMs so the cloners simply bought a bunch of ROMs and kept going

    In the late 80's and early 90's it was all PC's -- Once Columbia PC beat the blue giant of IBM it was open season and they approached 2 inches in thickness.

    Now it's all but gone, or may be as I haven't seen one in a while. The web pretty much killed these publications, like Micro Times, a bay area staple for geeks until it vanished.

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    1. Re:Remember when? by trentfoley · · Score: 1

      n the late 80's and early 90's it was all PC's -- Once Columbia PC beat the blue giant of IBM it was open season and they approached 2 inches in thickness.

      Once there were clones, the software still had to catch up. There were many popular software titles that made calls to the Basic ROM that only the IBM PC's had, as this was a separately licensed ROM than the BIOS. Granted, it did not take long for the software manufacturers to release updated versions that were free of Basic ROM calls, but that was one lock that IBM maintained for a couple of years.

    2. Re:Remember when? by LaughingCoder · · Score: 0

      Clearly the deciding factor in which platforms became cheap and ubiquitous and which either limped along with small marketshare (Apple) or disappeared altogether (everyone else) is Microsoft. I think people fail to recognize the significant role MS played in the evolution of what we now call the PC. By offering an OS that could run on many vendor's hardware they broke the lock hardware vendors had up until that point. This, in turn, led to tremendous competition, and the cheap, incredibly powerful (and compatible) machines we enjoy today.

      Note, before you break out the flamethrowers, I didn't say MS is great, or they were innovative, or ethical, or anything of the sort. But there is no denying the role they played in getting us to where we are today. In many ways, Linux owes its very existence to MS - ironic, isn't it?

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    3. Re:Remember when? by deaddrunk · · Score: 1

      MS weren't the only ones who did, they just had less perceived disadvantages than the major competition, namely IBM who in the early 90s were still the big bad monopolist and also a competitor to the other PC manufacturers to boot.

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  2. Seems to me... by Chordonblue · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That this was more about hardware than software so I wouldn't expect to see a lot of mention of Linux. After all, most of us are running Linux on a platform they talk a lot about - the PC!

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    1. Re:Seems to me... by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Exactlty,
      Linux didn't change the way people bought computer. If it did anything it probably slowed it down so people would buy less PCs because the can make it run longer on linux.

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  3. Market share = spending money by AFCArchvile · · Score: 4, Funny
    A bit of a downer that they barely mentioned Linux and gave no mention to other significant OSes such as OpenBSD,

    It says "market share", not "free for all".

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    1. Re:Market share = spending money by baryon351 · · Score: 1

      >> A bit of a downer that they barely mentioned Linux and gave no mention to other significant OSes such as OpenBSD,
      > It says "market share", not "free for all".

      It also is about personal computer market share. Last I looked neither Linux or OpenBSD were personal computers. Sure, they're software that runs on them but hey, the article has nothing to do with software.

      May as well complain Linux or BSD weren't shown on a chart showing the popularity of disco music from the 1970s through to 2005. (no, the openBSD songs don't count :)

  4. Nothing like the old days.... by User+956 · · Score: 1, Informative

    What a poorly-written article. It's like they just cruised through Wikipedia and copy-and-pasted a bunch of stuff.

    Ars Technica used to be good, but now that they're making almost a half-mil a year with their subscriptions and product sales, the article quality has gone waaaay downhill. Nothing like a few bucks and minor notoriety to make a blogger fat and lazy.

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    1. Re:Nothing like the old days.... by quokkapox · · Score: 4, Insightful
      What a poorly-written article. It's like they just cruised through Wikipedia and copy-and-pasted a bunch of stuff. Ars Technica used to be good, but now that they're making almost a half-mil a year with their subscriptions and product sales, the article quality has gone waaaay downhill. Nothing like a few bucks and minor notoriety to make a blogger fat and lazy.

      Sounds vaguely familiar.

      GOodbye, fair karma.

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    2. Re:Nothing like the old days.... by Hynee · · Score: 1

      I think you'll find that those 3152 Ars Technica subscribers are simply viewing Ars Technica through Bloglines, rather than handing over the equivalent of $0.5 mil in subscriptions to Ars Technica directly. Could be wrong though.

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    3. Re:Nothing like the old days.... by fatphil · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Lousy article, 2/10 if I'm generous.

      They've missed several very important PCs - ones from the equally keen, equally inventive, but smaller, UK market.

      Where are Clive Sinclair's ZX80 (1st PC < #100), ZX81, ZX Spectrum, and QL (cheapest of the 4 68k machines)? TI rebranded some of those in the US, I know.

      Where was the BBC Electron, Model A, and Model B. And the Acorn Archimedes with the ARM processor. A processor so well designed that pretty much every single other micorprocessor manufacturer has licensed its design (TI, Intel, Motorola, etc., etc.). I know the Beeb reached the US as my g/f had one when she was growing up.

      It mentions Wing Commander, but has conveniently forgotten that WC was just /Elite/, the classic BBC game (and Spectrum and C64) on steroids.

      And why is the era of the 20 address bit PC, and the 32-bit register 24-bit address space ST/Amiga/Mac/QL called the "16 bit era"? The 6502 and Z80 machines were the heyday of the 16-bit era. The fact that shitty PCs had a shitty OS was the "oh my god, 16-bit legacy refuses to die" era.

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    4. Re:Nothing like the old days.... by ninjakoala · · Score: 1

      Wing Commander and Elite have fairly little in common besides being in space. Elite was about trade and exploration and Wing Commander was a space opera with a lot of fighting. They appeal to quite different demographics (although I'm sure there are people who overlap).

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    5. Re:Nothing like the old days.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "What a poorly-written article. It's like they just cruised through Wikipedia and copy-and-pasted a bunch of stuff." - by User 956 (568564) on Friday December 16, @12:30AM

      What did you expect? Jeremy Reimer the author of that article doesn't even have a degree related to the field of computer science, and not even a certification in it, and certainly not years of professional experience hands on in the trenches.

      Ask him yourself, he won't deny that allegation. He didn't here:

      http://www.windowsitpro.com/articles/index.cfm?art icleid=41095&cpage=125

      And he constantly avoided questions asked of him there as well regarding technical issues, and instead posted libellous jpg files and mp3 songs about the person asking him questions, and got himself busted for email harassing others there as well.

      It's there in plain print, and Jeremy Reimer is just what you said - a hack that reads what others write and spits it back out: Typical arstechnica regurgitation.

  5. I'm surprised by saskboy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm kinda shocked that the PET outsold the TRS 80 by 1980. I never saw a PET before today, and I grew up with TRS-80s of all sorts, Model II, III, 4, Data Terminal [that was never hooked up even], Color Computer II, and Model 1000 laptop. The laptop is particularly popluar today, since it runs on AA batteries, and edits plain text which is still fine for web programmers with a Serial port.

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    1. Re:I'm surprised by microTodd · · Score: 1

      Schools. I remember PET being the computer that was in middle schools and high schools (at least in Florida, where I grew up). A PET is where I learned LOGO and BASIC (well, that and the TI 99/4a, which curiously is not mentioned in TFA).

      I never saw a TRS80 in a school.

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    2. Re:I'm surprised by saskboy · · Score: 1

      My Dad's TRS-80 was the first computer in a classroom in the school division he taught in. It would have been among the first in high school in the entire province, in 1979. Then Apple ][e came in, then an Apple ][gs, then an 8088, then three 286s, and a Color Computer II in the mix at some point too. The school closed in 1994, so nothing beyond 286 was used, but they had VGA B/W monitors and did well for games of the era.

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    3. Re:I'm surprised by atomic_toaster · · Score: 2, Funny

      ...which is still fine for web programmers with a Serial port.

      Serial ports are so 90's; my web programmer came fully equipped with USB 2.0. However, despite the upgrades, I still have reliability issues with him, especially when the hockey game's on...

    4. Re:I'm surprised by galebovitz · · Score: 1

      You're Suprised? Really? IBM put their name on the PC and used their market power to got vendors to put useful business apps on it. BOOM the PC became a necessary business tool. Apple introduced the Mac. Nice interface but no apps. Microsoft introduced Word and Excel on the Mac and suddenly it was a useful business tool. Microsoft put windows on those PCs and suddenly all those business users could run Word and Excel in addition to the business apps. BOOM windows became a useful business tool. UNIX? AT&T screwed around with licensing, created a industry war and noone wanted to touch it with apps. Why bother when IBM was behind the PC. Now if IBM had put Unix on the PC and got the apps then it would have been a different story. While Microsoft was expanding it's Windows market, the workstations makers were caught up in the OSF versus system V battle. Linux has become a great server solution for Business, but where are the desktop apps? The KDE versus GNOME arguments aren't helping this cause. Maybe if there was a lot of marketing muscle behind a tool like QT, app vendors would port their tools and the more apps would appear on Linux. But ther isn't and I don't see it happening.

  6. Re:Fast... like turbo button! by Ruff_ilb · · Score: 3, Interesting

    IIRC, the turbo button actually slowed things down - games and other applications ran as fast as possible, so when running an old DOS game for example, the turbo button would bring the game down to playable speeds.

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  7. Think how different it might have been today.. by Nichotin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    .. if only some of the big unix vendors back then had thought: Gee, lets push our operating system as a general purpose desktop system. Instead, we had a whole range of proprietary unixes that ran on their own proprietary platforms.

    1. Re:Think how different it might have been today.. by SimonInOz · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Actually I always felt DEC made a catastophic error. At the time PCs were just appearing they had a tough, industry tested 16 bit multi user, multi processing operating system - RSX/11M. It ran on a microprocessor (and bigger machines in a different form, notably on the VAX) and was really pretty good.

      I don't think they could bring themselves to sell it at a low price - they charged maybe USD 1000 for it.

      And now they are dead. So sad. They made good kit.

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    2. Re:Think how different it might have been today.. by stox · · Score: 1

      I guess you missed the AT&T 3B1, aka 7300, aka Safari, system. Sadly, AT&T couldn't market its way out of a paper bag.

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    3. Re:Think how different it might have been today.. by Karma+Farmer · · Score: 3, Informative

      Think how different it might have been today... if only some of the big unix vendors back then had thought: Gee, lets push our operating system as a general purpose desktop system.

      Like, Microsoft Xenix?

      Or, the AT&T Unix PC?

      Or, AUX on a 680x0 Macintosh?

      Or, NeXTStep?

      Or, Sun Workstations?

      Yeah... it would have been real different if any of the above had existed twenty years ago. But, I guess we can only imagine...

    4. Re:Think how different it might have been today.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      operating system as a general purpose desktop system.
      None of those were meet that criteria, some of them ran on PCs but were very expensive, (AT&T, Xenix)
      AUX ran on macs sure but retailed for $800+, NextStep (yeah I know everyone had $15K) and well sun was cheaper than a machine from Next it was still way, *way* more than a PC (did more, you get what you pay for right). None of these were aimed at general purpose desktop computing.

    5. Re:Think how different it might have been today.. by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 2, Funny

      I remember Pournelle writing that if ATT bought Colnel Sanders they'd be advertising "hot, dead chicken". Always loved that line.

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    6. Re:Think how different it might have been today.. by Dr.+Manhattan · · Score: 1
      Like, Microsoft Xenix?

      Competed with DOS, so was never pushed for general use.

      Or, the AT&T Unix PC?

      Stripped down, and not marketed to users. The basic "Unix Utilities" software package was a $500 add-on.

      Or, AUX on a 680x0 Macintosh?

      Aimed at programmers, not end users.

      Or, NeXTStep?

      Or, Sun Workstations?

      Aimed at a higher-end crowd (NeXT machines sold for $10,000).

      Truly, though, Unix needs a good MMU (Memory Management Unit) to work well, and those were expensive for a long time. If someone had decided to go big and try to sell enough volume to make it work, though, who knows?

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    7. Re:Think how different it might have been today.. by galebovitz · · Score: 1
      Oops this went to the wrong thread.

      You're Suprised? Really?

      IBM put their name on the PC and used their market power to got vendors to put useful business apps on it. BOOM the PC became a necessary business tool.

      Apple introduced the Mac. Nice interface but no apps.

      Microsoft introduced Word and Excel on the Mac and suddenly it was a useful business tool. Microsoft put windows on those PCs and suddenly all those business users could run Word and Excel in addition to the business apps. BOOM windows became a useful business tool.

      UNIX? AT&T screwed around with licensing, created a industry war and noone wanted to touch it with apps. Why bother when IBM was behind the PC. Now if IBM had put Unix on the PC and got the apps then it would have been a different story. While Microsoft was expanding it's Windows market, the workstations makers were caught up in the OSF versus system V battle.

      Linux has become a great server solution for Business, but where are the desktop apps? The KDE versus GNOME arguments aren't helping this cause. Maybe if there was a lot of marketing muscle behind a tool like QT, then the app vendors would port their apps more would appear on Linux. But there isn't and I don't see it happening.

  8. market share by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When you're talking about market share then Linux is unfortunately just a blip and BSD even smaller, particulary if market share is being measured in terms of revenue. When it comes to personal computers (!= servers and embedded systems), then many/most Linux PCs probably got sold as Windows units anyway.

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    1. Re:market share by Yahweh+Doesn't+Exist · · Score: 0

      >When you're talking about market share then Linux is unfortunately just a blip and BSD even smaller

      yes, but market share isn't such a useful metric. GWB and Tony Blair are just "blips" when talking about the human race, but they sure do fuck things up more than their fair share.

      similarly, people who use Mac/Linux/BSD because of their technical/aesthetic qualities aren't about to be converted to Windows by peer pressure.

    2. Re:market share by TallMatthew · · Score: 1
      When you're talking about market share then Linux is unfortunately just a blip and BSD even smaller

      You might want to have a stroll through a Bay Area colo facility, then revisit that opinion.

    3. Re:market share by rjstanford · · Score: 1

      You might want to go back and re-read the article, and look at the sheer size of the PC market these days. Believe me, a few colos don't even register.

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    4. Re:market share by Spock+the+Baptist · · Score: 1

      "Yahweh Doesn't Exist"

      So which System Lord do you worship?

      Ra,
      Apophis,
      Anubis,
      Baal?

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    5. Re:market share by TallMatthew · · Score: 1
      You might want to go back and re-read the article, and look at the sheer size of the PC market these days.

      There's no way to distinguish how much of the PC hardware market belongs to Linux/BSD because ... ... Linux/BSD runs on PCs.

    6. Re:market share by rjstanford · · Score: 1

      Right, but the article is talking about system sales. Its trivially easy to determine the number of new machines that are sold with Windows.

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    7. Re:market share by TallMatthew · · Score: 1
      The companies I've worked for recently purchase PCs that do not have an OS preinstalled. It makes more sense. Windows admins prefer to ghost their machines; they've already purchased site licenses, so they don't want to pay twice. Linux admins kickstart; there's no reason to pay a hardware vendor to install something you can install yourself for free. Both prefer to have control over what's installed before they distribute it or put it in the server room.

      The hardware vendor has no insight into what OS goes on a PC unless they sell it preinstalled, which I suspect is the case with home sales and small businesses only. They just report "I sold a PC" which assumes nothing.

  9. Anyone remember the RUN magazine (C=64) ? by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 4, Interesting

    where you could type your games... later it came with the Automatic Proofreader(TM), where you could verify each line's checksum, and it beeped with an error if the line you entered was wrong.

    My dad had a huge collection of these magazines. But what interested me (at 6yo) was the ads, because they mostly were videogame ads, full of colors, etc.

    Remember Summer Games? Summer Games II, Winter games? Pitfall II? H.E.R.O?

    Ah... i feel so nostalgic about it :)

    1. Re:Anyone remember the RUN magazine (C=64) ? by numark · · Score: 1

      I definitely remember those magazines. I started out on a Commodore 128, and I can remember learning to program just by looking at the example source code and figuring out how things worked. I used to love playing all of those games, and we had more than enough (Airborne Ranger and Red Storm Rising being two of my favorites). It's quite sad that a fire at my parents' house destroyed both the Commodore and all of the magazines.

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    2. Re:Anyone remember the RUN magazine (C=64) ? by furry_wookie · · Score: 1

      Man...it was really a good magazine and good idea.

      I made it through my jr/sr years in high school and through my first 3 years in college using a word processor FROM that magainze that I typed the code in myself.

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    3. Re:Anyone remember the RUN magazine (C=64) ? by dfjunior · · Score: 1

      Anyone wanna start a RUN vs. 99'er flamewar?

    4. Re:Anyone remember the RUN magazine (C=64) ? by wass · · Score: 1
      My dad had a huge collection of these magazines.

      Just to start a my dad vs. your dad war, my dad has a huge collection of Byte magazine, with almost every issue from their inception until somewhere in the mid-80's, when they started to suck. The best part is the cover art, I remember thinking the covers were tripped out when I was around 5 years old.

      Anyway, he's had these mags taking up space in our basement, the butt of many jokes about how useful they are, etc. One day about 5 years ago my brother and I read some online article somewhere about writing a Go computer player, and it referenced a Byte magazine. We were really excited, FINALLY a chance to justify keeping that collection all these years. We run down to the basement, and lo and behold, that particular issue, from the late 70's, IIRC, was absent. He's only missing a handful of issues in this nearly-continuous block, and the one time we could have used them it ironically failed.

      but i digress...

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    5. Re:Anyone remember the RUN magazine (C=64) ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      softside!

    6. Re:Anyone remember the RUN magazine (C=64) ? by David+Rolfe · · Score: 1

      Are you talking about Speed Script? If so, I agree. I typed it in from the magazine listing and used that (mostly) until I bought my first cloned PC/AT (On which I used GeoWorks for word-processing as I'd been using GEOS back on the C64 when I needed to do text-with-graphics). I'm nostalgic for the noise my Commodore printer made. What a great 'REEEEEEEEEEE-raawwr-REEEEE-EE-EE-EEEEE-raawwr'. Remember how awesome Broderbund's Print Shop was at that point. I also had a Star printer that worked on both the C64, and with a big, weird adaptor on the AT as well.

      God I loved the C64.

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    7. Re:Anyone remember the RUN magazine (C=64) ? by RussR42 · · Score: 0

      What about Unreal? Loved it. We had a running joke: "Is your distance perfectly calibrated so that your penis will not rot or fall off?"
      You know, because you had to stand in just the right spot to survive sometimes.
      C'mon, I was maybe 10, I don't really remember much about it, just that it was funny.
      oh, and the time we wrote a program to poke random memory locations. I don't reccomend it.

    8. Re:Anyone remember the RUN magazine (C=64) ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      'Compute' And later 'Compute('s ?) Gazette' Were the C64 mags with the proof reader.

      I must have spent half my junior high years typing in those programs!

      - Roach

    9. Re:Anyone remember the RUN magazine (C=64) ? by furry_wookie · · Score: 2, Informative

      >SpeedScript?

      Yeah, that sounds right!!! I know that was it. It was soo cool, all my friends would come over and do their papers on it too. All written in assembler too! I remember adding a spellchecker to it from COMPUTE! Gazette magazine.

      Hey I found a version for the Atari documented here on the web, you might like to read it, its even got the codes to enter in with MLX to build it:
      http://www.atariarchives.org/speedscript/ch2.php#s pl

      Someone else posting about speedscript on the C64 here too:
      http://www.troyandjessica.com/article/12/ode-to-th e-commodore-64.html

      Found a manual here:
      http://project64.c64.org/misc/SpeedScript%203.2.tx t

      I used a Citizen 120D dot matrix printer, worked great.

      When I went to college I used a 2400baud modem, with a vt100 emulator on a C64 (Which was only 40cols BTW), but you could hit a hot key and it would switch to this TINY FONT to show the whole 80x24 vt100 screen.

      Man...I remember having to use a whole crapload of key combinations to get things like the GOLD-KEY to work for my EDT session.

      But by god, my C=64 got me a pretty good ways through the first few years of engineering school including a serious amount of hacking an coding on VMS from home.

      Damn, where did we go wrong? Think just don't seem as fun anymore.

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    10. Re:Anyone remember the RUN magazine (C=64) ? by transatlantique78 · · Score: 0
      My dad had a huge collection of these magazines.

      Just to start a my dad vs. your dad war, my dad has a huge collection of Byte magazine

      That'll show my age, but *I* have a huge collection of Byte too... Never been capable of letting them go (and probably never will).
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    11. Re:Anyone remember the RUN magazine (C=64) ? by TallMatthew · · Score: 1
      Remember Summer Games?

      Dude, I still have carpal in my left middle and index fingers from Summer Games. If you could pole vault, you're a stud.

      But don't be messin with my Hard Hat Mac.

    12. Re:Anyone remember the RUN magazine (C=64) ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      My dad had a huge collection of these magazines. But what interested me (at 6yo) ...

      Notes to myself :
      1. Get a life.
      2. Have kids.
    13. Re:Anyone remember the RUN magazine (C=64) ? by silverburn · · Score: 1
      aaah, nostalgia...

      I remember my quite deranged grandmother bought me a copy when she came to stay for a week once; it was cheaper than buying a game. So, she picked one out, and I have to code this in during the week she was staying, and to show her the game running at the end of the week.

      Being young and naive, and being a sucker for never being able to say no to gran (especially since she'd long sinced 'checked out') I commenced coding with due sense of futility. I never got the game to run right at the end of the week.

      Probably because I actually had a BBC and not a C64, but she insisted I code it anyway....doh.

    14. Re:Anyone remember the RUN magazine (C=64) ? by Morgalyn · · Score: 1

      While I wasn't quite old enough to enjoy RUN, I do fondly remember getting BASIC programs to write in my 3-2-1 Contact mag.. they'd even serialize them sometimes, or have tie-ins to one of the other stories. I wonder if they even make such fine children's magazines anymore.

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    15. Re:Anyone remember the RUN magazine (C=64) ? by kabz · · Score: 1

      I hate to even think about it, but my father trashed the following:

      o My entire collection of PCW from Vic-20 issue (Nov 81?) onwards thru 88
      o My similar collection of Your Computer
      o My Home Computer Weekly collection (that really was pretty sad)
      o My collection of Byte (from 88 - 90)

      Other actions including tossing out all my BBC Micro software including all Acornsoft Elite versions (all mint), Aviator, etc.

      I'll never forgive this action.

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    16. Re:Anyone remember the RUN magazine (C=64) ? by Cybrex · · Score: 1

      I still have a sizable collection of RUN and Compute!'s Gazette, including the first issues of each. I wonder if they're worth anything?

      This whole thread is really making me nostalgic. I need to break out my old stuff and fire up a game of Canyons of Zelaz.

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    17. Re:Anyone remember the RUN magazine (C=64) ? by JhohannaVH · · Score: 1

      Same thing for the Vic20 prior.... I wrote some of the best games copying those out of the back of BYTE!!!!

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    18. Re:Anyone remember the RUN magazine (C=64) ? by Rob+the+Bold · · Score: 1
      Anyone remember the RUN magazine (C=64) ?

      Do I ever. My problem was I never got the proofreader program typed in correctly. This was a source of much frustration. Some of the programs were kinda neat, too. But when they sucked, you realized that you had just transcribed 5 full magazine pages of encoded binary image, tracked down the typos, and reassembled it to get . . . CRAP! I still had a few copies of RUN up until a few years ago. I keep thinking "I gotta get that C=64 out and play with it."

      Remember Summer Games? Summer Games II, Winter games? Pitfall II? H.E.R.O?

      Pitfall II was great. But I really loved the SIDPlayer series of programs. I never got around to modding my C=64 with a second SID chip, but I did have great fun with my friends with that program. We'd have sing-a-long parties with the C=64 plugged into the "big" 27" TV and all of us rocking out with "Africa" and "The Ghetto". Good times.

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    19. Re:Anyone remember the RUN magazine (C=64) ? by David+Rolfe · · Score: 1

      Thanks for that great link to the SpeedScript manual. I never knew you could save in true ascii. Now I'm tempted to hook up my 1541 and resave all my old files in ascii so I can move them off into new media.

      There's a company out of Germany (who's name escapes me right now, but Google 'catweasel') that makes a gadget (a custom ISA disk controller) that will let you read 1541 formatted floppies with "mordern" PC-compatible 5.25" drives (iirc, without the constraints that the software solutions like Disk2FDI have like requiring low-density drives or whatnot).

      I had a 1200 bps Volksmodem myself. Haha.

      Anyhow, thanks again on that link.

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  10. Also no mention of BBC Micro, etc. by GrahamCox · · Score: 3, Informative

    No mention of, a) 8-bit era, BBC Micro. OK, probably a UK-only phenomenon, but one of the best 8-bit machines of its day, with a big following. b) slightly later, and the successor to the BBC, the Acorn Archimedes. I know at least 1 person who had one, so its market share can't have been zero!

    1. Re:Also no mention of BBC Micro, etc. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Right on. It's also missing the ZX Spectrum, Amstrad CPC and a few other very popular 8-bits. I don't know anyone who had a Commodore 64, so i'm thinking it must be an American thing.

    2. Re:Also no mention of BBC Micro, etc. by BJH · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yes. The BBC Micro was never really marketed in the US, and the Sinclair 8-bit computers were sold under the Timex-Sinclair label, but failed miserably in the market (unlike the UK where they were seen as the "working man's computer" because they were so cheap, in the States I think they were seen more as useless toys - unlike the more useful computers that were coming out at the time, in particluar the Trash-80).

    3. Re:Also no mention of BBC Micro, etc. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, true they did miss mentioning those. I think the problem is that in those days, just about 100% of the personal computer marketplace was in the USA, so other stuff didn't end up making enough of a blip on the charts to matter much.

    4. Re:Also no mention of BBC Micro, etc. by sr180 · · Score: 1
      The BBC also featured heavily in Australia but mainly as a teaching platform. I know alot of schools that used the BBC micro, they also networked to a server which was not common for personal computers at the time.

      I first learnt logo on the BBC.

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    5. Re:Also no mention of BBC Micro, etc. by LardBrattish · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I know someone who had a C64 in England. IIRC they were quite popular until the mid 80s when they were pushed out by the 16 bitters from the top + Amstrads from below. Sinclairs were always big in England - and they had some of the best games - Atic Attack, Ant Attack...

      I had a BBC 'B' which put me in a bit of an Elite ;) for a while but relatively limited for games. Revs was good with it's great Silverstone implementation (pre emasculation with all of the chicanes) as was Elite of course...

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    6. Re:Also no mention of BBC Micro, etc. by salmacis2 · · Score: 1

      And even more unforgiveably, no mention of Sinclair. No history of 8-bit home computing is complete without a large section on the ZX80, ZX81 and Spectrum.

    7. Re:Also no mention of BBC Micro, etc. by Stephen+Williams · · Score: 1

      the successor to the BBC, the Acorn Archimedes. I know at least 1 person who had one, so its market share can't have been zero!

      The Archie was also very popular in British schools in the late 1980s to early 1990s. The secondary school I attended had a load of them, and RISC OS was my first exposure to a graphical user interface. (My first reaction to it was "huh? What's this? Where's the black screen with lines and lines of text?")

      -Stephen

    8. Re:Also no mention of BBC Micro, etc. by melonman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      More to the point, no mention I could see of the ZX81, which must have been easily the most popular PC in the world for a while (its sales dwarfed anything Acorn produced, and Britain at this time had far higher percentage domestic PC ownership, largely thanks to Sinclair). The main reason for mentioning Acorn is not market share in the PC market, but because it led to the creation of the ARM processor which has much of the embedded market pretty much sewn up. But of course ARM is a British company too. In other words, it's another one of those "if it wasn't made by an American it never existed" articles.

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    9. Re:Also no mention of BBC Micro, etc. by CmdrGravy · · Score: 1

      Both Attic Attack and Ant Attack were fantastic games, strangely all the better for having no clue what you were supposed to be doing !

      Elite was the justification for buying the BBC a hard drive. There was another good game I remember for it involving a space ship with a big ball attached to the back that you'd have to manauever through caves etc. It was possibly called Thrust but was very simple and totally addictive. Like lunar lander but much much better.

    10. Re:Also no mention of BBC Micro, etc. by grahamm · · Score: 1

      And also the Amstrad PC clones, which were probably reponsable for moving the PC from being almost exclusively office machines into the home market.

    11. Re:Also no mention of BBC Micro, etc. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The network was called Econet and my mate got suspended for 2 weeks for writing a trojan login program to steal passwords, setting himself up as a superuser and deleting peoples files who had annoyed him.

    12. Re:Also no mention of BBC Micro, etc. by rjshields · · Score: 1

      I have this game on the Amstrad CPC464, branded as "Thrust". A true classic and highly addictive! I recall the devastation felt when losing control on a never-before-reached level.

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    13. Re:Also no mention of BBC Micro, etc. by CmdrGravy · · Score: 1

      I think the later levels were reverse gravity and the spaceship would be invisible, it took me months I think to get to those !

    14. Re:Also no mention of BBC Micro, etc. by rjshields · · Score: 1

      Of course it's American and they didn't have Amstrads or Speccies, poor buggers. These machines were hugely popular in Europe so should be included. I someone who had a C64. The styling looked very dated compared to a CPC or ZX Spectrum.

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    15. Re:Also no mention of BBC Micro, etc. by rjshields · · Score: 1

      Yeah I remember the reverse gravity levels. It was fun to drift off into space. I think the balls were called "pods".

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    16. Re:Also no mention of BBC Micro, etc. by kabz · · Score: 1

      I actually worked at CC where I coded a bunch of the user interface for (at the time) the one decent piece of Archimedes software, Impression. In assembler, using the built-in BBC BASIC 2 pass assembler, with no hard-drive ! Seems bloody hilarious now.

      And this is what gets me ... That machine did decent graphics, anti-aliased text, with a 8 (?) MHz ARM3 chip, and you could typeset magazines on the damn thing (IIRC part of Gramaphone magazine was typset using Impression). Why aren't the current crop of machines (most of the windows based PDAs) that run the 400 MHz ARM chip absolutely spectacular ?????? With 100 times the poooower, they should be awesome.

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  11. PC dominance an argument for open-source software? by XAJIM · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The dominance of IBM PC's over the past few years is much greater than any dominance of Microsoft in the software market, yet the haters of this technology are few and far between (mostly Mac fanbois). I guess with multiple vendors making products for the platform, open-source junkies are satisfied that one company isn't making all the profits whilst the majority who follow the lead are happy that new innovations are constantly being made and they have the backing of an established, relatively stable platform. Is the success of the IBM platform an argument for open-source software? Obviously IBM doesn't make a heap of cash from every PC product sold, so there's not a great long-term monetary argument for a company developing an open-source standard per se, or is there?

  12. Re:Microsoft sucks. by XAJIM · · Score: 1

    When many people here started using computers, Spyware & Malware were much of a concern. Pre mass internet proliferation, Microsoft products were the forefront of easy to use technology at a reasonable price. Mac was probably the only major alternative.

  13. Re:Microsoft sucks. by ScaryFroMan · · Score: 1
    Ok. No Microsoft. Scratch Paul Allen and Bill Gate's BASIC. The Altair is now harder to write for. It gains only half the popularity it did with BASIC. Computers aren't nearly as easy to use, or as popular. It takes another ten years to get the popularity to where it would have been with the Altair. Time flies, 2005, Windows 3.1 is a massive hit.

    Get what I'm saying. MS might be big, bad, and bloated now, but they had a very important role to play in the development of computers. Think of it like "It's a Wonderful Life." Sure, it seems to not be that important, but when you get rid of it, bad things happen.

    Besides that, all I can say of Microsoft is that at least they let you choose what hardware to run it on.

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  14. My first PC came with both CPM and DOS by NotQuiteReal · · Score: 1
    Don't recall the DOS version, but I do recall selling CPM (on USENET, I think) for about $50.

    That was to help recoup the $2500 cost of the 4.77Mhz (yes, kids, not Ghz) dual floppy (no HDD) computer.

    It was really cool - it was an "all-in-one" Televideo, with 4-shades of green, emulating CGA!

    w00t!

    w00t, in this context, means "we owned q'bert"!

    I only regret not retrieving the system from my sister-in-law, who had it in her attic as recently as 2 years ago. Lost forever now...

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    1. Re:My first PC came with both CPM and DOS by rjstanford · · Score: 1

      Ah, the all-in-ones. I had a TI back in 198[3|4]. One half height floppy drive but, what was really k3wl, it had a half-height 10MB genuine Winchester hard drive. Way cool. Being a TI product its graphics card was significantly better than EGA, and almost compatible, so games would very nearly work.

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    2. Re:My first PC came with both CPM and DOS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, sorry - the "Genuine" Winchester was a monstrous beast from IBM that was the size of a large file cabinet. It was called the Winchester because of its capacity: 30 MB on each of its two sides, therefore a 30/30 - get it? 30/30 - Winchester? (rifle)

  15. Re:Fast... like turbo button! by MarkRose · · Score: 3, Interesting

    In a sense, yes. Actually, when the turbo button was disabled ("off"), it would cause the CPU to execute a bunch of no-ops, effectively making the CPU as slow as older models to allow games, etc., to be useable. The frequency at which the CPU ran never changed.

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  16. Kinda disappointed in the article... by deathbyzen · · Score: 2, Interesting
    The bad guy wins in the end :(

    Seriously though, I remember my first PC was a Packard Bell 486 running Windows 3.11

    Ah, those were the days... when playing an mp3 at full quality was a system intensive task... when a 2gig hard drive was A LOT of space... when a 56k connection was FAST... when owning TWO computers was a big deal... when L.O.R.D was the king of BBS games...

    *sigh* Those were the days.

    1. Re:Kinda disappointed in the article... by really? · · Score: 1

      56K modem? I remember cracking open my Model 100, and soldering an external connector for its modem, which I then proceeded to "overclock" to 450bps.

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    2. Re:Kinda disappointed in the article... by narcc · · Score: 1

      My first harddisk was 40mb. The manual that came with it was for the 20mb model -- there was a single loose-leaf insert that gave the specs for the 40mb model. I ran a BBS (yes, it had LORD) on a 286 with a 1200 baud modem (which I thought was elite awesome). I remember in the early 90s when I added a second 512mb HD to my machine to get an amazing 1gb of disk space.

      Those were not the days ... those days sucked. [I picked up an IBM Aptiva (66mhz) a few months before a friend of mine got his new machine (75mhz). I was sad.]

      The good old days (for me) were the mid 80s. I had a C64 (with a Floppy Drive!) that replaced a coleco Adam (horray!). You could write a game on that thing which was just as good as the commercial stuff in just a few weeks during your spare time. Computer magazines almost always had code that did something cool. There were even 'which-way' style books (the 'micro adventure' series) that had computer programs for you to enter and run (brought you into the action).

      Those were the days.

    3. Re:Kinda disappointed in the article... by Gleng · · Score: 1

      You kids and your One Point Twenty-One JiggaBytes of hard drive space. My first computer was a Sinclair ZX81 with 1KB of RAM.

      The software that came with it was code in a book for christ's sake! :)

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    4. Re:Kinda disappointed in the article... by blue_adept · · Score: 1

      er, when I bought my 486 33mhz computer, a 2 gig drive wasn't "a lot", it was non-existent and unimaginable. I remember asking for a 200 *MEG* drive rather than the standard 100 meg drive, and the salesguy raised his eyebrow and asked me if I was planning on running a university.

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    5. Re:Kinda disappointed in the article... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My first computer was a Motorola D3 evaluation kit.

      A 6800 CPU with 256 bytes of RAM, a hex display/keyboard.

      You turn it off, and everything's gone.

    6. Re:Kinda disappointed in the article... by fatphil · · Score: 1

      But it played chess! 1KB and it bloody beat me every time!

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    7. Re:Kinda disappointed in the article... by permawired · · Score: 0

      Yes those were they days *sigh* From time to time I can still see the numbers in my dreams...

      10 xxxx
      20 xxxx
      30 goto 10

      and you always knew when you had a revision to a program because you would see this:

      10 xxxx
      11 xxxx
      20 xxxx
      30 goto 10

  17. For computer history buffs... by TheOriginalRevdoc · · Score: 4, Informative

    Anyone interested in this stuff should pop over to Germany and visit the Heinz Nixdorf Museums Forum (http://www.hnf.de/index_en.html)in Paderborn. There's even a liquid-cooled Cray. How great is that?

  18. gah by GigsVT · · Score: 5, Informative

    This article sucks.

    Even on the first page, they act like all these companies were run by idiots, ignoring the possibility of a PC that was supposedly right under their noses.

    It wasn't that the technology wasn't ready. Intel, at the time primarily a manufacturer of memory chips, had invented the first microprocessor (the 4-bit 4004) in 1971. This was followed up with the 8-bit 8008 in 1972 and the more-capable 8080 chip in 1974. However, Intel didn't see the potential of its own product, considering it to be useful mainly for calculators, traffic lights, and other embedded applications

    That's because that's all it was good for. SMPS technology was in its infancy. Storage technology involved huge platters or huge tapes. RAM was damn expensive.

    So what did they think Intel should have done? Released a "PC" in 1971 that weighed 200 pounds with a linear power supply, came with a mini-fridge sized persistant storage unit that held 100k, had 4k RAM and cost $20,000?

    The technology indeed wasn't ready. The PC came when it did because technology allowed it to come, not because of lack of vision.

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    1. Re:gah by evilviper · · Score: 3, Interesting
      SMPS technology was in its infancy.

      So? There's no reason PCs couldn't have operated with linear power supplies. They are even cheaper than SMPS. Effeciency and size wasn't much of an issue at the time.

      Storage technology involved huge platters or huge tapes.

      Although slow, cassette tapes were a real option back then. Large floppy disks from IBM were also starting to appear at the time, although expensive.

      RAM was damn expensive.

      Everything was expensive. That doesn't mean there wasn't a market for low-spec'd, expensive machines (still far smaller and far less expensive than minicomputers).

      So what did they think Intel should have done? Released a "PC" in 1971 that [...] had 4k RAM

      Sure, why not? Even with 4K of RAM, people would definately have found uses for them.

      The technology indeed wasn't ready. The PC came when it did because technology allowed it to come, not because of lack of vision.

      Only if you redefine "PC" in some very specific way. Practical PCs could have come about years before they did.
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    2. Re:gah by GigsVT · · Score: 1

      That doesn't mean there wasn't a market for low-spec'd, expensive machines

      I'm not so sure about that. The early PCs in the late 70s were only a few hundred bucks and bought by hobbyists.

      I don't know how many hobbyists could have swung a lets say $3000 "PC" in 1972. Keep in mind a brand new car was about $1500 back then.

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    3. Re:gah by blowg0ats · · Score: 0

      Intel had a chance to buy out MITS, the company in Arizona producing the Altair in the 1970s, but opted to instead continue selling them 8008 chips for a low price. I'm scant on details because I should probably be writing a script right now ;) , but there's a great passage about the blunder in this book, which is a must-read. Intel dropped the ball, for sure.

    4. Re:gah by Lars+T. · · Score: 1
      Ignore it, it's french.
      15 Jan 1973 First shipment of Micral N to INRA Institut National de Recherche Agronomique, a process control computer, the first world microcomputer based on Intel 8008 microprocessor.
      Here's a little more about it.
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  19. Re:Microsoft sucks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I got into computers because of BASIC.

  20. Not So! Clarke was there first! by Stan+Chesnutt · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Quoth TFA:

    "The idea of a personal computer, something small and light enough for someone to pick up and carry around, wasn't even on the radar." (referring to the mid- to early-eighties).

    Not so -- Arthur C. Clarke, in his mid-Seventies novel "Imperial Earth" described a device called the "Minisec", which sonds a lot like a modern PDA -- it could even "synch" to a larger console computer via infrared.

  21. Re:I remember when... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh puhleease!

    Remember Byte magazine?

    A perfectly representative example of the steaming turd pile that was and still is the American 'tech' press?

    It was utterly indecipherable gibberish excreted by tossers trying to sound knowledgable.

    At least English magazines covered things the average computer enthusiast was interested in, yes, including games.

    As usual the choice was pretentious American drivel or quality info from the rest of us.

    Note: no one is fooled, we know you're probably just some Yank fucktard sitting in an American polytech dormitory.

  22. Unix was tried and failed ... by AHumbleOpinion · · Score: 1

    .. if only some of the big unix vendors back then had thought: Gee, lets push our operating system as a general purpose desktop system. Instead, we had a whole range of proprietary unixes that ran on their own proprietary platforms.

    It was tried. Microsoft sold Xenix, no one cared, MS then gave up and sold it to SCO I think. MS' second attempt to get people to move to a "proper" operating system was OS/2 1.x, that failed too. You just couldn't get people to give up on DOS. You literally have to "give away" alternatives, either practical give aways as in Windows bundled with PCs or literal give aways as with Linux, FreeBSD, etc.

    Also the big Unix vendors were really hardware vendors. It's like Apple today, it would be suicide to let their OS run on generic PC hardware. You are effectively arguing that all these companies should have abandoned their core business and volumteered to become a small fraction of their former selves. Linux is not something that helps Unix vendors, it kills them. Linux is not much of a threat to MS as many around here assume. Linux's real competition is Sun and other traditional vendors. It is a disruptive technology that destroyed a market segment. The traditional Unix vendors never had a chance.

    I'm not arguing that the world is better or worse off. I'm merely arguing that your proposal would not have helped the vendors.

    1. Re:Unix was tried and failed ... by Changa_MC · · Score: 0

      Except that OS/2 was IBM, not Microsoft. Microsoft was the reason it died. And Xenix was just a sad excuse for a *nix.

      Linux is the first decent unix system I saw for under $1000, which makes it the first unix I ever considered running at home.

      And it could have hurt a vendor to give away a decent unix earlier, but it would've helped us end users tremendously, giving us features 15 years ago that are just now available under windows XP. SCO could have created and sold linux, instead of just pretending they did.

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    2. Re:Unix was tried and failed ... by Alien+Being · · Score: 1

      "Except that OS/2 was IBM, not Microsoft. Microsoft was the reason it died."

      OS/2 was a joint development project between MS and IBM.

      MS had committed to OS/2 as the next generation of Windows (i.e. NT). When the Windows 3 API exploded in popularity, MS realized that it would be crazy to abandon that platform in favor of something they didn't wholly own.

      They went back on their word with IBM and began developing their own NT. It was a huge deal. Big Blue had put MS on the map and now MS was telling them to fuck off... and getting away with it.

      The split happened in 1990 when OS/2 was just about ready for primetime. Professional users who had invested in the Windows roadmap would now have to wait a few more years for a version with memory protection and preemptive multitasking. Mainstream users would have to wait a full decade.

    3. Re:Unix was tried and failed ... by C0vardeAn0nim0 · · Score: 2, Informative

      microsoft created OS/2 v1 for IBM when the big blue released the first PC-AT based around intel's 80286 (they still had the 80 prefix at that time). the objective was to take advantage of 286's protected mode, which allowed the OS to use a flat 16 MB memory space and multitasking capabilities.

      it was a fiasco for several reasons. one of them was the 286 could switch from "real mode" (in this mode it was little more than a glorified 8086) to "protected mode" (with all the new features), but there was no way to switch back to real mode. the result was that to run MS-DOS (which required "real mode") they needed some ugly hacks, and the compatibility was far from perfect, specially for things like lotus 1-2-3.

      when they added a GUI, things became even worse. if you tried to run a real-mode DOS app in full (text) screen, it was almost impossible to switch back and forth between graphical an text mode. the reason was the EGA graphics cards. those older cards (CGA, Hercules, EGA, etc.) had write-only registers. this meant that the OS had to keep a table in main memory with a copy of the registers, otherwise it was impossible to know the state of the graphics card. since DOS apps had direct access to card's registers, it was impossible for OS/2 to know in wich state DOS programs left the graphics card, making switching modes impossible.

      the GUI was called "desktop manager" and looks pretty much like windows 3.0's. here's some screenshots

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    4. Re:Unix was tried and failed ... by Octorian · · Score: 1

      Another thing I really like about Linux is how it caused a resurgance of interest in UNIX-based software development. Oh, and the kindling of the popular conception that you shouldn't have to pay $$$ just to be able to write software for the platform.

      One other annoyance with the older commercial UNIX'es, even when they ran on x86, was the software developer mentality of "This is the UNIX version, therefore we must charge much more than we do for the DOS version of the product."

      I wonder how many people bought separate DOS-based PCs because it was cheaper/eaiser than getting the versions of their software that would run on that single UNIX machine with terminals all over the office...

  23. microsoft may have the BSOD by Trepidity · · Score: 1

    But I can't count the number of times I've cursed that goddamned bomb symbol popping up on the Mac OS.

    1. Re:microsoft may have the BSOD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, but the bomb was removed from the system over 5 years ago. Try it now...

    2. Re:microsoft may have the BSOD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everytime we would turn on our friend's mac it would bitch that we turned it off wrong, even though we knew what we were doing. Then it would crash and bitch that we didn't turn it off properly. Apple and MS have done a good job, IMO, of improving reliability.

    3. Re:microsoft may have the BSOD by GrahamCox · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, though I'm a Mac guy myself and just don't use Windows, it amazes me looking back that Apple had such faith in their OS and more importantly in developers' abilities to write solid code that they had next to nothing protecting anything in the system. They even placed things in memory in such a way that crashes were likely to be even more catastrophic - like placing key system variables in very low memory, not far off location 0 - and we all know what writing to NULL does, don't we?

      The system bomb only appeared if you were lucky - in fact most crashes hosed the machine so badly that even that couldn't be displayed (and in spite of appearances, the system bomb isn't drawn in a real window, or uses any of the high-level code - it's just faked out to look that way, drawn by some very low level code in ROM that in theory should always be runnable... though to be honest the BSOD is probably preferable, since the bomb always made YOU feel like an idiot...)

      What is remarkable looking back is not that the original Mac OS was crude compared to what we expect today, but that it actually worked at all. Things have changed massively on OS X - not only is there no system bomb, but very littl elikelihood of needing one. Yes, crashes do happen - I've had perhaps 2 kernel panics in the last year - but they are so rare as to be easily ignored. If Apple had somehow put in some of the memory protection that we take for granted now into the original Mac - I know, I know, technology wasn't available, blah blah - then the history of computing might have turned out differently. But then you could say that about a lot of things.

    4. Re:microsoft may have the BSOD by painandgreed · · Score: 1
      But I can't count the number of times I've cursed that goddamned bomb symbol popping up on the Mac OS.

      Of which, probably 99% of them were caused by extension conflicts that could have been solved permananetly with a few minutes work. In some cases, it might have required saving various extension set ups and rebooting to use different programs but in most cases it was caused by something you didn't need or used so infrequently that a reboot wouldn't impact your work. I did tech support back in those days and even the PC lovers I worked with prayed for a Mac problem because they knew it could be solved in just a few minutes opposed to the hours long task of dealing with a PC problem. The Mac OS back then wasn't perfect, but it was damn easy to troubleshoot and fix.

      -Rebuild Desktop
      -Trash Prefs
      -Run with minimal extensions
      -Reinstall the program
      -Reinstall the OS

      All that could be done in under half an hour and if it didn't work, you were almost garanteed to have a hardware problem.

  24. Re:Fast... like turbo button! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Not exactly, the turbo button either directly changed the frequency of the cpu or it turned off the caches that the cpu required to run effectively, they never, afaik, 'inserted no-ops instructions' as you suggest, however by turning off the cache and forcing the cpu to read from slower memory, there were undoubtably cpu cycles wasted (no-op style), but this wasn't directly due to the turbo button. The frequency at which the CPU ran DID change on some implementations.

  25. Future Landmark by PC-PHIX · · Score: 4, Funny

    The year 2010, when a server is finally built that can withstand the full force exerted by "The Slashdot Effect".

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    1. Re:Future Landmark by Karma+Farmer · · Score: 1

      The year 2010, when a server is finally built that can withstand the full force exerted by "The Slashdot Effect"...

      Welcome to 1998, brother. We've been waiting for you a long time...

    2. Re:Future Landmark by vertinox · · Score: 1

      The year 2010, when a server is finally built that can withstand the full force exerted by "The Slashdot Effect".

      Or to expand on Ray Kurzweil's theory about knowing when the singularity is upon us: "When you find 1 million emails in your inbox."

      I will say: "We will know when the singularity is upon when the off the shelf standard home computer can withstand the 'The Slashdot Effect'."

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  26. Nice by komodo9 · · Score: 1

    Nice article. I read the entire thing. Good information. Not sure it's worthy of a slashdot post though.

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  27. Another error... by LardBrattish · · Score: 3, Informative
    3D came to role playing games with Ultima Underworld in 1992

    Somebody's forgotten about (or more likely too young to know about) Dungeon Master which debuted on the Atari ST in 1988 - I remember an Amiga owning friend of mine coming over to play my copy. He later ended up writing a Sci-Fi clone of it called BSS Jane Seymour IIRC for the Amiga.

    Those were the days...

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    1. Re:Another error... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I remember Dungeon Master, but I had it on the Amiga. But that's way too late too (great game). The first I remember was Wizardry, which predated Dungeon Master by years.

    2. Re:Another error... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dungeon Master wasn't 3D. It was composed of hand-drawn wall segments, no different from any of a zillion Wizardry clones except for the advent of bitmap art and a nice mouse-driven UI.

    3. Re:Another error... by cerebis · · Score: 2, Informative

      Dungeon Master came out on both the Atari and Amiga simultaneously. This is one game that really gets ignored in the "history lessons" websites produce. Back then I made it a mission to play every CRPG that was released on the Amiga, and I did so up to and including Eye of the Beholder. Then suddenly became totally bored with the genre, though I was funny to see PC owners getting excited over these "new" 3D RPGs in the 90s. Probably the most fun I had playing a CPRG was when I played BloodWytch (Amiga) with a friend. In this game, two people could play two separate parties simultaneously. Ganging up against or ambushing monsters was great fun, and we might just have had some of the earliest loot arguments known to rpg gaming.

    4. Re:Another error... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IIRC Dungeon Master was a Dungeon Crawler, where you move around in fixed spaces at ninty degree angles, which I consider to be a seperate genre to your FPS style Ultima Underworld game. I think in the article they are following the later defination since the first crawler game I remember playing was The Bards Tale and not Dungeon Master.

    5. Re:Another error... by LordLucless · · Score: 1

      I agree, BloodWytch was awesome. Man, I still remember the sound of that disrupt spell. Unfortunately, I never got to play the expansion disk cause I only got my hands on it a few months before my Amiga died a very sad death. Although I think Pool of Radiance is still my favourite ol' classic. Although I don't think I RPed very well - I always created lawful good characters, but then Id go and hire a Hero mercenary, take them out into the slums, put them to sleep, chop off their heads and steal their equipment (they gave good experience too).

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    6. Re:Another error... by Zixia · · Score: 1

      Dungeon Master came out on both the Atari and Amiga simultaneously.

      It required 1 MB of RAM on the Amiga (I'm not sure about the ST), so probably wasn't as big as it could have been. That was the only reason I never got to play Dungeon Master, as I couldn't afford to upgrade the RAM in my 500.

    7. Re:Another error... by Zixia · · Score: 1

      He later ended up writing a Sci-Fi clone of [Dungeon Master] called BSS Jane Seymour IIRC for the Amiga.

      Tony Crowther wrote a sci-fi version of the Dungeon Master genre for the Amiga. It was called 'Captive' and involved someone waking up in a prison cell with a briefcase next to him. Opening the briefcase showed it to be a controller for four droids, and he had to explore dungeons and find keys with the droids in order to work out where he was being held captive and to break himself out.

      It was a fantastic game, and one of my favourites on the Amiga. Crowther even programmed in a little joke: on rare occasions the interface of the briefcase would crash, causing a Guru Meditation in the little screen you used to control the droids, which was a reference to the Amiga's error screen.

    8. Re:Another error... by Gleng · · Score: 1
      He later ended up writing a Sci-Fi clone of it called BSS Jane Seymour IIRC for the Amiga.

      Wow. Tell your friend that I thought that game was great! I used to love playing it. It was easily as good as Dungeon Master.

      Eventually my disk got corrupted though, which was a shame.

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    9. Re:Another error... by slapout · · Score: 1

      According to wikipedia the ST version came out in 1987 and the Amiga version in 1988. Not that it matters now :-)

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dungeon_Master_(compu ter_game)

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    10. Re:Another error... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I loved Captive on the Amiga as well.

      One of the few games I ever actually played all the way through.

      I have occasionally downloaded the PC version (you can find it for free as abandonware) and play it for a few hours. Obviously dated, but still quite good fun.

      I also bought Liberation (Captive 2) for the CD32. Still have the CD32 and all of the expansions around somewhere.

  28. Re:Microsoft sucks. by NanoGator · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "If only 20 of those 30 years didn't have to include Microsoft, computers would be pretty good today."

    After reading the article, it's not all that clear that Apple would have the PC's penetration today. Apple's marketshare didn't go above 14%, even before Windows 95 came along. Like or hate Microsoft, Billyboy was right about the market power of clones.

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  29. Slashdot could make BILLIONS! by evilviper · · Score: 4, Funny
    Article:
    And an unknown college dropout named Bill Gates, together with his partner Paul Allen, wrote a version of the programming language BASIC for the Altair, forming a company called Micro-Soft in the process. He would later drop the hyphen and the capital S, and make billions of dollars.


    Dammit Slashdot! If you would just drop the capital S, you could be making billions of dollars too!
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    1. Re:Slashdot could make BILLIONS! by Xolotl · · Score: 1

      Ah, but the "S" is not enough - there must be a hyphen to drop, as well.

    2. Re:Slashdot could make BILLIONS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bah, they already dropped that. :D

  30. Need more study of HOME vs BUSINESS by furry_wookie · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What this article is totally lacking is a breakdown between the HOME and business computer markets.

    There is a much more interesting story waiting to be told I think when you look at the eveolution of the home market. Things were very different than the simple story that these graphs tell.

    The only REAL COMPETITION story is in the home computer market. That is where we had C=, Apple, Tandy, TI, Atari etc actually innovating and competing. The business market never even gave a single platform a chance other than IBM PC's, so I feel by including the business stuff in the story your just introducing a HUGE amount of BORING to the story.

    Screw the business pc market, tell the story about the more dynamic home computer market where PC's didn't even start to make much of a splash until just before Windows311/Windows 95 came out.

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    1. Re:Need more study of HOME vs BUSINESS by Ashtead · · Score: 1
      There weren't much in the way of "personal" computers used in business. Before the microprocessor-based units, the "business computers" were larger units that had terminals connected to them, and which were what the users used. As far back as the late 1970s, I remember seeing ads for various minicomputers and office computers, but these were way too expensive for any personal use, even the smaller ones using 8 inch disks and CP/M. A few years later, I got to work with one of these, a 16-bit device, roughly the size and shape of a small fridge, called "Naked".

      Later, in the 1980s, we had all the "workstations" with different varieties of unix, and these were personal to some extent, in that a designer or engineer could use it as his or her own. The IBM PC and its MS-DOS and CGA monitor with 4 colors and blocky resolution looked like a toy in comparison to the HP workstations with their 19 inch color monitors running X-window or the IBM RTs running AIX and also having nice color screens (14 or 15 inch iirc) and plenty of colors. Of course, the price difference reflected their playing in different leagues.

      Once the PC/AT and the EGA graphics came out, the PCs became sufficiently useful so as to replace the nice, capable, heavy, and expensive workstations, many of which were 32-bit systems with processors such as the 68020 and its successors.

      Then the successors to the IBM-PCs, the 32-bit 386 and 486 machines came, but it was not until some time into the 1990s that the most widely used operating system, the ones from Microsoft, actually used all these 32 bits. The reason why MS-DOS stayed around for so long was that all the PCs successors were compatible with the previous ones, and MS-DOS, and in particular, with Windows 3 running on top of it, remained sufficiently useful. Linux wasn't that well known before about 1994 either, even though it started out as a 32-bit operating system, and the BSDs were hung up in a dispute with the old AT&T for much of the 1990s. Most people then, as now, don't care about the operating system as long as it works.

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    2. Re:Need more study of HOME vs BUSINESS by Rxke · · Score: 1

      And what about the ill-fated MSX? (Extended Microsoft Basic-based) Then, all 'hobby'computers were so ddifferent there was little or no chance you could interchange programs between say a C64 and an Apple. MSX was set up as a standard, and various companies released computers under the MSX moniker. Yamaha, Spectravideo, Philips, Pioneer, Soni, Toshiba... Too little too late, though, too epensive compared to the existing computers and (IMO at that time) underperforming. Later there was the MSXII standard, but it didn't save the day... It didn't help most of the 'Standardized' computers weren't 100% compatible with eachother, the very goal of MSX got killed by each manufactur embracing the standard... And extending upon it. Sounds familiar? http://www.faq.msxnet.org/

    3. Re:Need more study of HOME vs BUSINESS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The IBM PC and its MS-DOS and CGA monitor with 4 colors and blocky resolution looked like a toy in comparison to the HP workstations with their 19 inch color monitors running X-window or the IBM RTs running AIX and also having nice color screens (14 or 15 inch iirc) and plenty of colors.

      Yeah, I remember that time. It was 1986 or 1987, just about the time that EGA was hitting the scene. Our school class took a trip down to University of Maryland for a tour of the campus.

      I still remember the unix computer lab with their large CRT monitors running X windows. One of them was in screen saver mode, drawing and solving mazes. (It may have also been a student project, but it was drawing/solving at a rapid rate.)

      Made quite an impression on me, because I spent a lot of my free time over the next year trying to write maze creation / solving programs in GW-Basic.

    4. Re:Need more study of HOME vs BUSINESS by AHumbleOpinion · · Score: 1

      The only REAL COMPETITION story is in the home computer market. That is where we had C=, Apple, Tandy, TI, Atari etc actually innovating and competing. The business market never even gave a single platform a chance other than IBM PC's...

      The graphs included the home market. The Apple II was used in businesses quite a bit back in the day. Apple had a chance, there was a battle, Apple lost.

  31. Ad server is slashdotted by Animats · · Score: 4, Funny
    The pages take ten to twenty seconds to load because "servedby.netshelter.net" is overloaded. "netshelter.net" is invoking a CGI program for every ad reference, and the Javascript seems to be delaying page rendering until the ads load.

    Welcome to "Web 2.0" - now with the performance of 38K dialup.

    1. Re:Ad server is slashdotted by John+Hurliman · · Score: 1

      Joke aside, if this was truely a "Web 2.0" app the ads would be fetched asynchronously from other things, and invoked after the page was loaded (since it's not very useful to set the contents of a div tag if it doesn't exist yet).

      But Ars Technica is a great example of how to squeeze every last ad view impression out of each visitor, and blend the ads in nicely so you barely separate the article content from the advertised products. Visiting that site just now has prompted me to install adblocking software.

    2. Re:Ad server is slashdotted by zoney_ie · · Score: 1

      I find Adblock and Noscript essential for dealing with Web 2.0.

      I'd give more thought to allowing myself to see ads if it wasn't for this recurring theme of waiting for a bunch of third-party servers to serve up lurid heavy-bandwidth ads arranged with broken scripting.

      My favorite site to demo the difference between no-script versus vanilla firefox (or worse, MSIE) is dilbert.com.

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    3. Re:Ad server is slashdotted by cogg · · Score: 1

      Except that the way it will end up is that the ads get displayed first, and the page content gets 'asynchronously' loaded after the ads; or am I just too cynical?

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  32. You're misreading the graph by green+pizza · · Score: 1

    The PET never had more marketshare than the TRS-80, in fact it had at most about a quarter of the of the TRS-80's marketshare. You're misreading those (crappy) graphs. The TRS-80 was the best selling computer in 1980.

    1. Re:You're misreading the graph by i_should_be_working · · Score: 1

      The TRS-80 was the best selling computer in 1980.

      Huh. Guess I can forgive my parents then. Damn Trash-80. Then again, I was probably just too young to know what to do with it.

  33. The end is near by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That last graph says it all: the PC dominance is tapering off. It's running out of steam and on the verge of collapse!

  34. Re:Microsoft sucks. by furry_wookie · · Score: 3, Informative

    >After reading the article, it's not all that clear that Apple would have the PC's penetration today.

    Thats because this article sucks. It totally ignores the fact that the HOME PC market was TOTALLY DIFFERENT back then from the business market.

    Until Windows 95 came out (and 3.11 to a lesser extent)... NO ONE HAD PC's AT HOME.

    The home market was dominated by Commodore, Apple, Atari, Tandy, TI, etc.

    The problem with this article is the graphs lump the business market, which ONLY BOUGHT IBM PC's, and mixes it all in with the market data for the home pcs.

    I still believe that this is a huge mistake and doing analysis of the home market would be much more interesting.

    There is not much to learn about the business PC market. They bought IBM PC's, and they bought them in huge numbers and thats pretty much it. Nothing else there to tell.

    It clouds the interesting historical part of the story greatly.

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  35. Gates and Allen: Guru masters of Balck Magic? by irritating+environme · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Are you kidding me? Are you saying that Gates and Allen are lost warlock masters of Computer Science and programming languages.

    You make it seem like Allen and Gates are Einstein and Newton, the ONLY people capable of writing a compiler/interpreter. PLEASE. As if they designed BASIC? Which is why it was on Apple ][s. This is not proof of "great men" theory of history. They just happened to be willing to write BASIC for it.

    I mean, if MS hadn't been such bastards, we would have had a far better DOS from IBM or DR-DOS, and would have transitioned to OS/2 with true preemptive multitasking. Or we would have had NeXTs on the desktops, or a better clone of MacOS.

    Back to the land of disingenous specious baseless arguments. No more of that here. What am I kidding? This is slashdot.

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    1. Re:Gates and Allen: Guru masters of Balck Magic? by ScaryFroMan · · Score: 2, Informative

      No, they didn't write it, but they were in the right place at the right time to put it on the Altair. Had they not written it, then events most surely would have happened differently. Sure, it (or something similar) would have happened...eventually. But, you can't deny that they played a major role in bringing the Altair, and personal computers, into a larger role than they had been before.

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  36. Acorn / RISC OS by green+pizza · · Score: 1

    I was recently introduced to RISC OS on a Castle Iyonix. Pretty neat for a new machine running an OS with some history. There's also something geeky-cool about running an ARM / Xscale CPU on the desktop.

  37. Terminals + Big Iron, Apple ///, Unix workstations by green+pizza · · Score: 1

    It depeonds on what sector of the business market you're talking about. People with heavier CPU usage had a variety of UNIX workstation to choose from (Sun, Apollo, AT&T, SGI) as well as the DEC MicroVAX workstation for VMS. Apple tried their hand at a business PC with the Apple /// (man what a sad story of design-by-management). There were also several cheap machines that ran CP/M. But for the most part the business world was dominated by Big Iron driving terminals. IBM AS/400, IBM S/360 and S/390, Data General Nova/Eclipse, DEC VAX, and many others. There's a reason why we have termainl standards such as VT100, tn3270, and tn5250!

  38. Poor Apple by timeOday · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I thought Apple had something of a resurgence in the last couple years, but I don't see much indication of that.

    1. Re:Poor Apple by Jerry+Coffin · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I thought Apple had something of a resurgence in the last couple years, but I don't see much indication of that.

      It sounds like you pay a bit more attention to advertising than you really should. The reason you don't see it is that (despite Apple's ads) it's not real. Rather the contrary: the last time a Mac actually gained noticeable market share was the original iMac. Apple really topped out in the early 1990's, and has been on a long, (admittedly slow) downhill slide since then. They've managed to produce a couple of temporary upward bumps since then, but never anything very significant. Ultimately, it's just a bit of noise in a long, slow slide into oblivion.

      Recently, Apple's doing a bit better financially, but that's due to sales of iPods (and associated music, accessories, etc.) not Macs.

      This "change of venue" helps them considerably. On the computer front, they have a major problem: almost any change large enough to stand any chance of gaining significant market share would also very likely alienate a large portion of their existing user base. The iPod gives Apple a way out: instead of taking huge gambles in the OS, they just quietly de-emphasize the Mac, and put their real effort into iPods (which are more profitable anyway).

      In fact, I'd personally guess that Apple's switch to Intel processors is driven far more by the iPod's success than by technical details like CPU clock speed or power consumption. The improvement in Macs will be an almost accidental side-effect. The fact that it lets them concentrate on iPods instead of things like bridge chips and motherboards for PowerPCs means far more. Of course, they do still make quite a bit of money on Macs, so they have to de-emphasize them slowly, carefully, and in a way that doesn't alienate their user base (after all, that's why they can't make significant improvements in the Mac either). Over time, however, the Mac will become much more like a generic PC clone, with just enough unique to Apple to prevent running OS/X on anything Apple didn't sell. Eventually, even those trivial differences may be eliminated in favor of using a "Trusted Computing Platform" to "manage your rights", so they can charge a 20% premium for what will otherwise be an utterly generic PC.

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    2. Re:Poor Apple by inkswamp · · Score: 1
      They have had a resurgence. Mac sales have doubled since last year and have steadily grown since 1999, but there are those out there (like the other respondent here) who will always filter any Apple news through market share stats which is a dubious metric to use. I heard that Mac users tend to buy new machines a lot less often than their Windows/PC using counterparts which negatively affects their market share. (I have no stats to back that up, btw, but I've seen it in real life so I tend to believe it.)

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    3. Re:Poor Apple by timeOday · · Score: 1
      Mac sales have doubled since last year
      That's quite amazing. Do you have a link? Are you sure it isn't Apple's total profits (including the iPod) which have doubled? I don't have ill feeling towards Apple, I just think doubling computer sales volume in a year would be amazing.
    4. Re:Poor Apple by UtucXul · · Score: 1
      It sounds like you pay a bit more attention to advertising than you really should. The reason you don't see it is that (despite Apple's ads) it's not real. Rather the contrary: the last time a Mac actually gained noticeable market share was the original iMac. Apple really topped out in the early 1990's, and has been on a long, (admittedly slow) downhill slide since then. They've managed to produce a couple of temporary upward bumps since then, but never anything very significant. Ultimately, it's just a bit of noise in a long, slow slide into oblivion.
      I'm not sure what area you are coming from, but in what I do (astronomy, but I've seen this in other academic depts.) the number of apples have gone way up. Nearly every new laptop is an apple (with the exception of a few thinkpads or dells for the die-hard linux users). Not so much in the desktop/workstation area, but they are doing great selling laptops from my vantage point.
    5. Re:Poor Apple by AHumbleOpinion · · Score: 1

      Mac sales have doubled since last year ...

      The Mini is their first attractively priced system in quite a while. I'm sure it has expanded their sales somewhat but it has also cababalized upgrades of higher priced models.

      I heard that Mac users tend to buy new machines a lot less often than their Windows/PC using counterparts which negatively affects their market share.

      That may not be the factor it used to be. It used to be the case that newer PCs would come out and you could see dramatic differences in performance, that spurred upgrade cycles. I recent years this has not been the case, PCs surpassed the performance needs of users years ago. Unless you are into games a 2.0GHz system feels about the same as a 3.4GHz system. PC vendors are noticing that people are holding on to their PCs longer today. This also explains a migration from desktops to laptops. Laptops may be lower performing in theory but in practice they are just fine for most users, the convenience, not performance, becomes the dominant factor.

    6. Re:Poor Apple by Jerry+Coffin · · Score: 1
      I'm not sure what area you are coming from, but in what I do (astronomy, but I've seen this in other academic depts.) the number of apples have gone way up. Nearly every new laptop is an apple (with the exception of a few thinkpads or dells for the die-hard linux users).

      It's not really a question of what area I'm from/in -- it's a question of what Apple's actually selling. Since you mention laptops, let's take a look at them: according to Apple's latest 10-Q report, they had 12% year-on-year growth in laptops. Dell's latest 10-Q shows approximately 40% growth in laptops.

      Unfortunately, while I'm ambitious enough to find real numbers for Apple and Dell, trying to figure up Thinkpad sales across the transition from IBM to Lenevo is a bit more than I'm willing to try right now...

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    7. Re:Poor Apple by inkswamp · · Score: 1
      The Mini is their first attractively priced system in quite a while. I'm sure it has expanded their sales somewhat but it has also cababalized upgrades of higher priced models.

      I am a professional working on a Mac around many other professionals on Macs and I can tell you that a mini woudn't cut it. I can't imagine how the minis would cannibalize the higher priced models. Apple's strong point in consumer sales are laptops and the iMac has a pretty consistently strong buzz. I'm not sure how the mini has that kind of effect.

      That may not be the factor it used to be. It used to be the case that newer PCs would come out and you could see dramatic differences in performance, that spurred upgrade cycles.

      I see it happening around me however. Most of my friends and colleagues who use Windows PCs have bought more computers in a given period of time than I have. I've also know lots of Mac users who buy new computers at a much slower rate. I've read in various sources that that's the case with PC and Mac users in terms of buying habits so I'm not just extrapolating that from my personal experience.

      Also, two things to keep in mind. 1. Most computer geeks love to tinker with the insides and the components and PCs are more suited to that than Macs. 2. Joe Consumer is a helluva lot more likely to pick up the cheapie PC at Wal Mart than he is to buy a higher priced Mac. Since Apple doesn't do much in the sub-$500 range and they don't generally appeal to hardware geeks, they are completely out of those segments where it's likely PC manufacturers pick up a lot of sales. So again, I think market share is a dubious metric to use as there is far more volume of sales for PCs that Apple just isn't interested in.

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    8. Re:Poor Apple by inkswamp · · Score: 1
      Sorry. I got that wrong from memory. Mac sales were up 50% from last year so it's only half-amazing. ;^) I was confusing it with iPod sales that were up over 200%.

      You can read the details here if you want but the point is that Mac sales are going up pretty rapidly and market share is sort of an inaccurate way to judge it for many reasons. As long as market share includes business purchases that typically don't favor Macs, then it's going to skew things against the Mac considerably.

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  39. teh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    they are called arsetechnica. i dont expect them to bother looking at computing at any modern time period.

  40. I'd be suprised if they -did- mention Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Honestly. This isn't meant to be a flame, but when you think about all the advances in personal computing, why would software that requires the operating knowledge of a machine released 2 decades previously be of any mention in groundbreaking in the area of personal computers? Don't get me wrong, I'm running GNU/Linux right now as my only operating system, but you're only fooling yourselves if you think the rest of the non-computer inclined world cares. Curreny advancements have made things like Linux unnecessaryily complicated, relatively speaking, for the average personal computer user of this generation. Sure, we've made inroads into the desktop computer market, the personal computer market, but we have a loooong way to go.

    That is precisely why it would not belong in this article for anything more than a minor footnote.

    1. Re:I'd be suprised if they -did- mention Linux by scharkalvin · · Score: 1

      This was a hardware centric article, software was only mentioned where it made a difference in the direction a company took or where it changed market share. And Linux DID get a mention, be it a one liner.

  41. No Mac Clones by maggard · · Score: 3, Informative
    Macs have never had a 'clone market*'. There have been "licensees".

    There is a huge difference.

    When IBM lost the clone battles Phoenix & everyone else were free to offer reverse-engineered work-alike PCs. Not just "mostly alike", just alike. Buy the same MS or whomever OS, install the same Lotus 123 or whathaveyou, it's all a commodity.

    IBM later tried to recapture the market by redefining it with MicroChannel, their proprietary & well defended next-gen bus architecture. But the ISA market was too big and had enough momentum that IBM's efforts were doomed and look, 25 years later they're out of the PC market they helped create not having made a profit at it in years.

    On the other hand Apple, after a few early skirmishes, never lost control of their products. Their architecture didn't lend itself to easy reengineering and there was rarely an eager alternative OS vender around to make non-MacOS boxes viable. Be, Yellow Dog, etc. never were more then novelties.

    What Apple did do was, under contracted terms, sell their proprietary system ROMs & MacOS 7 to third parties for a licensing fee and per-unit compensation. The idea was that these nimbler & more aggressive partners would expand the Mac into markets Apple wasn't interested in or where it was unable to compete effectively (usually cost or distribution-wise).

    However instead companies like Power Computing turned around and cannibalized Apple's domestic bread-&-butter Mac market by offering similar systems at price points slightly below Apples.

    A few did expand the Mac into new markets - high-end multi-processor, etc. but by-and-large it was a financial disaster for Apple. They were already suffering from extremely poor supply chain management, a shrinking market, and high R&D costs; to then start supplying direct competitors with products that undercut their own was disastrous.

    So when the opportunity arose with a new MacOS to change terms Apple did - they bought back their licenses and shut down the program. Most folks agree if they hadn't the company wouldn't have lasted another year.

    *Yes, there were a few obscure attempts but it never amounted to a few hundred clone units total.

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    1. Re:No Mac Clones by Wudbaer · · Score: 4, Informative

      Kids these days... *sigh**mutter*

      You know, there were Apples before the Mac, especially the famous Apple IIs (as the GP clearly stated). They indeed created a blooming market for third party add-ons and clones of mostly dubious legality, much facilitated by the fact that all Apple IIs (at least the big ones, don't know about the IIc, some kind of laptop-precursor) came with full schematics. The Mac was a rather late entry in the whole PC game, Apple was well known for more than half a decade before that. Likely that the bad experiences with Apple II-cloners led Apple to the very closed and proprietary course they took with the Mac (completely opposed as to Apple operated before).

    2. Re:No Mac Clones by nogginthenog · · Score: 1

      What about Mac emulators? They were very popular on the Amiga, and run as fast as a real Mac because it used the same CPU.

    3. Re:No Mac Clones by Jerry+Smith · · Score: 1
      So when the opportunity arose with a new MacOS to change terms Apple did

      Yes, I remember that. Power Computing (I think it was) had a last advertising series:"Licensed invoked for speeding". Rumors went they overclocked thus damaging the solid reputation *cough* of the mac. That's when Apple cunningly renamed 7.7 to 8.0, declared that a new OS meant renegotiation (resulting in buying licenses back, or simply the takeover of the clone-company). I remember special editions of OS8 for PowerComputing (mate of mine had one, pity that fool..). There were very nice clones: Daystar Genesis MP had 4 604ev's for the price of a big shiny new car. Less than half a year later the prices had halved, I can imagine some customers being a bit unhappy.

      Aaah, history...

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    4. Re:No Mac Clones by C0vardeAn0nim0 · · Score: 1

      but they needed a mac ROM to operate. which means having access to one to copy the ROM or downloading one. the emulator itself might not be ilegal per se, but distributing the macs ROM certainly was.

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    5. Re:No Mac Clones by tie_guy_matt · · Score: 1

      Remember when it seemed like all computers came with very detailed schematics and instruction books that were actually quite usefull. I remember I learned to program basic because the VIC20 and then later the IBM PC clone that my parents got me came with a complete "how to program in basic" book (remember when you got 2 disks when you got DOS -- one had the OS while the other had GW-Basic.) Then I think apple came out with a add that basically said: when you get a PC you have to read all of this, but if you get a Mac you just have to read this. Now we are lucky if the instructions we get have anything more than a giant picture of the on/off switch. I guess MS wants to make even more cash selling you the instruction books that used to come free when you bought the computer.

    6. Re:No Mac Clones by Elvis+Impersonator · · Score: 1

      That's just not true.
      The Outbound Notebook was an unauthorized clone. Not a licensee.
      In fact, here: http://lowendmac.com/clones/index.shtml

    7. Re:No Mac Clones by bjohnson · · Score: 1

      The Outbound was not an unauthorized clone, it was simply a remanufactured Mac Pls or SE. They bought Macs, ripped out the motherboards, and put them in a more portable form factor.

    8. Re:No Mac Clones by Elvis+Impersonator · · Score: 1

      Almost.
      They just required a ROM chip out of an SE or plus. They made a motherboard but the ROM was the key to the Mac OS.

    9. Re:No Mac Clones by cbreaker · · Score: 1

      Power Computing and company didn't sell "Macs" at slightly lower prices. They sold them at hugely lower prices. Why buy an Apple Mac for $4000 when you can get a Power Computing Mac for $1800 with the same hardware? Possibly better?

      I don't know - maybe Apple thought the competition would try to sell their stuff for as high a profit as they did. But then that would be stupid, as they witnessed first hand.

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    10. Re:No Mac Clones by damsa · · Score: 1

      The original Mac was supposed to ship with MacBasic. But Bill Gates, who had licensed Applesoft basic to Apple, didn't want competition in the langauges field and threatened not to renew the license for Applesoft if Apple shipped MacBasic.

  42. Wow... by crumbz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That article is poorly researched. No mention of hugely influential (and successful) machines such as the Sinclair ZX-81 or Spectrum? No TI 99/4A description? And if the article is about "market share", why the history of the MITS and Altair without mentioning other alternative such as Heathkits and the comparison in sales?

    A classic example of an unfocused, poorly researched article.

    1. Re:Wow... by 16K+Ram+Pack · · Score: 1
      A lot of kids in the UK learnt to program on a ZX81/Spectrum. The ZX81 cost about £70 at the time, and with the 16K Ram Pack (another £40) you could do some decent things.

      The ZX81 had a few games, but mostly, the lack of them meant people wrote things for themselves. And the simplicity of the machines (black and white, block graphics) meant that you could learn the fundamentals of coding.

    2. Re:Wow... by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 1

      That article is poorly researched. No mention of hugely influential (and successful) machines such as the Sinclair ZX-81 or Spectrum?

      The what or the whatwhat? Those machines were neither hugely influential nor successful in the North American market, which this article seems to focus on.

  43. Re:Another error... (reformatted) by cerebis · · Score: 1
    Dungeon Master came out on both the Atari and Amiga simultaneously.This is one game that really gets ignored in the "history lessons" websites produce.

    Back then I made it a mission to play every CRPG that was released on the Amiga, and I did so up to and including Eye of the Beholder. Then suddenly became totally bored with the genre, though I was funny to see PC owners getting excited over these "new" 3D RPGs in the 90s.

    Probably the most fun I had playing a CPRG was when I played BloodWytch (Amiga) with a friend. In this game, two people could play two separate parties simultaneously. Ganging up against or ambushing monsters was great fun, and we might just have had some of the earliest loot arguments known to rpg gaming.

  44. Re:Microsoft sucks. by trentfoley · · Score: 1

    It will never happen, but... imagine if Microsoft released a version of the current Windows that ran on Mac hardware.

  45. Re:Microsoft sucks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >Until Windows 95 came out (and 3.11 to a lesser extent)... NO ONE HAD PC's AT HOME.

    If you mean "no-one" in the "no-one except for a not terribly significant amount of people" sense, you're possibly correct. If you mean "no-one" in the "absolutely no-one" sense, you're absolutely incorrect. In my household, we had a PC. Back in the DOS days. I'll grant you not many people had PCs in their homes at this point in history, but they did.

  46. Article or Outline? by arosas · · Score: 1

    Is it just me, or does that article remind you of that horrible flop of a documentary "Triumph of the Nerds"? Even the obvious negligence of the history of UNIX and other POSIX systems. Did the writer steal the outline of this movie and put it into a pretty website format?

  47. Re:Not So! Clarke was there first! by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
    wasn't even on the radar....Not so -- Arthur C. Clarke, in his mid-Seventies novel "Imperial Earth" described a device...

    The article is about reality, not SF. Asimov described powerful pocket computers in his Foundation series, ca. 1940. He probably wasn't the first.

  48. Re:I remember when... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You are a wanker.

  49. Linux is too advanced for this story by fm6 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Linux is a semi-modern OS, and has hardware requirements that reflect the fact. To run Linux, you need memory management. In the PC world, that means a 386 or better. By the time the 386 came along, the story TFA is telling was essentially over.

    There were attempts to run more primitive Unix-like systems on PCs from the first 8088-based IBM boxes. Not notably successful. The best known is Xenix, which I have heard a lot of nasty things about.

    1. Re:Linux is too advanced for this story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, according to the Wikipedia article that you linked, it was noted as the most popular UNIX OS of the late 1980s. Also, Xenix never ran on 8088-based boxes (AFAIK, no UNIX-based system ever did).

      The early versions based on 7th Edition were rather rough ports, but certainly were not distributed very widely. As far as I know, no copies of those versions exist today. The System III (8086) port was not very popular either, mostly because of the lack of hardware memory management. The Xenix/386 2.x line was actually a modern, decent port of System V though -- later on, pretty much vanilla AT&T code with the SCO/Microsoft branding.

    2. Re:Linux is too advanced for this story by blane.bramble · · Score: 1

      Xenix certainly did run on 8086 based machines - I once had two such boxes (Altos 8800's possibly?). One with 512Kb of RAM, one with 1Mb. Both had 8" hard and floppy drives, and a huge slew of custom logic to do memory protection in hardware. If I remember correctly it had 13 bits per byte - 8 data plus 5 for the memory protection.

    3. Re:Linux is too advanced for this story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Xenix certainly did run on 8086 based machines

      The 8088 and 8086 are different chips. He had mentioned the 8088, which, despite its higher number, is the worse of the two.

    4. Re:Linux is too advanced for this story by blane.bramble · · Score: 1

      Yes, they are different chips, but they are the same CPU. The difference is that the 8088 had an 8 bit bus to make it easier to interface with the existing 8080 line of peripheral chips. This makes it different from the perspective of hardware design, but not from software design.

    5. Re:Linux is too advanced for this story by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      Actually the 286 offered memory management. It was an ugly segment based system but still memory management.
      Several Unix like OSs ran the the 286 when that was the best that you could get. And yes the first version of OS/2 ran on the 286 as well.

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    6. Re:Linux is too advanced for this story by fm6 · · Score: 1
      You're right. I should have said "hardware support for virtual memory".

      The 286 did indeed run many advanced operating systems, including Unix. But Linux has always required at least a 386.

  50. No. by 2short · · Score: 1


    Open source software, great as it is, played no significant role, pro or con, in the rise of the PC to dominance.

    IBM doesn't make any cash at all from every PC product sold, because they gave up the software end, figuring the real money was in hardware (oops). Then Compaq reverse engineered their bios chips and broke their lock on the hardware. IBM doesn't even make PCs anymore. The PC rose to dominance essentially because IBM blew it repeatedly, and lost control of the platform they created.

  51. Is there a problem with the conclusion graph? by johansalk · · Score: 1

    I don't understand, the conclusion graph seems to suggest that mac marketshare surged in 1991 to 1993, whereas the text in the mac section says it surged with the release of the imac. http://media.arstechnica.com/articles/culture/tota l-share.media/marketshare.jpg

    1. Re:Is there a problem with the conclusion graph? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The conclusion graph also shows that before ~1985, the aggregate market share for
      personal computers was way less than 100%...

  52. Basic Bill by fm6 · · Score: 1
    And an unknown college dropout named Bill Gates, together with his partner Paul Allen, wrote a version of the programming language BASIC for the Altair, forming a company called Micro-Soft in the process. He would later drop the hyphen and the capital S, and make billions of dollars.
    It's really sad that neither his detractors (quite a few) nor his admirers (there must be some) remember that Bill Gates got his start writing a really gawdawful implementation of BASIC. I guess it had to be gawdawful, because they had to strip out out a lot of features to fit the intepreter in a 4K ROM. But ROMs got bigger, and then got replaced by floppy disks, and then hard disks. But Microsoft never put any really important features back. Used to piss me off.

    In 1983 I was working for a company that had a modest success with 8088 and 8086 systems running their proprietary OS. They licensed a lot of standard software from Microsoft, including GW-BASIC, to bundle with the product. They had decided to make the move into 68010-based Unix boxes, and asked Microsoft to quote a price to port GW-BASIC to the new platform. The quote was totally ridiculous, so they hired a single engineer to write a clone. I think it took him a couple of months.

    1. Re:Basic Bill by scharkalvin · · Score: 1

      Micro-Soft basic was actually quite a good implementation of the basic language. It did seem to be inspired by the language as implemented by DEC for their PDP-8 and PDP-11 computers, though microsoft interchanged the ':', '/' and '\' characters as used to put multiple statements on a single line (which made porting programs from the PDP's to MS basic a bit of work before the days of editors like EMACS). Despite this exception of syntax, most of the programs in the book '101 Basic games' (written for the PDP-8) would run just fine on MS 8K or 12K basic after some substution of 'punctuation' characters. Of course there wasn't a true 'ANSI standard' for the basic language at the time, so who was to say just what the language should include? You looked at either the Dartmouth, DEC or DG implementations and made your own decisions.

      The 8K basic was a mostly complete port of DEC's basic language, missing only disk files and file handling routines (which were added in the 12K version that INCLUDED a primative stand alone DOS). The 4k basic left out some string and higher math functions. The early MS basics were heavy on code bumming making use of many programming tricks based on the 8080 instruction set to use as few bytes of program space as possible. As a result, the first versions wouldn't run on the Z80 because they relied on the way the 8080 set it's status flags between instructions (which the Z80 didn't completely follow). I think this was one of the few examples of Z80 code NOT being compatible with the 8080. (Patches were later issued to fix this).

      The only other basics available at the time were the 'tiny' basics
      for the 6800 and 6502 by Tom Pitman and the 5K basic by Processor Technology. The Tiny basics were interger math only with no strings, Processor Tech's 5k was a nearly full basic implementation with single dimensioned arrays but no string functions. You could fake out two dimension arrays by doing some math on the array index
      such as Z[(X*SIZEY)+Y]. I got the startrek game working on PT basic5 that way.

  53. flamebait! by Heembo · · Score: 0, Troll

    Oh come-ON now! That submission itself should have been rated "0, Flamebait".

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  54. lots missing by halleluja · · Score: 1

    I'm missing the good old Indy etc. Not really a consumer computer, but neither was NeXT. No Sinclair either snif.

  55. I expected better from arstechnica by Macdude · · Score: 1
    In the article Jeremy Reimer writes:
    To gain an advantage over existing personal computer models, IBM decided to use the new Intel 8088 CPU, which had a 16-bit memory model making it capable of directly addressing 1MB of memory (although unlike the fully 16-bit 8086, the 8088 chip saved money by being 8-bit externally).
    The 8086 and 8088 both used 20 bit addressing, 2^20 = 1,048,576, it's simple math!!!
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  56. Sales up, Profit up, Marketshare way down by green+pizza · · Score: 1

    I thought Apple had something of a resurgence in the last couple years, but I don't see much indication of that.

    Apple's profits are at record highs and their sales are way up. Apple is growing and expanding. **BUT** the rest of the computer industry is growing faster. As a result, Apple's marketshare continues to drop.

  57. RCA Cosmac VIP by ishmalius · · Score: 1
    This was my first microprocessor of any kind. It came with a COSMAC-1802 chip. I forget the clock speed, but I seem to recall the effective MIPS as about 0.3. Yeah 300khz or in that vicinity. I got it for $100, and it came with 1kb RAM. I bought another 1kb for $50. It used the good old cassette tape interface for storing/loading programs. It had a 1kb rom chip with a monitor program, and also had a tiny interpreter (about .5kb) on tape.

    I had a lot of fun programming this thing in machine code, writing the codes in pencil & paper before hex-keying them in. Wrote several actually useful programs. One was a Morse code sender and receiver for amateur radio. Another analyzed signals I had coming from a $5 ADC chip I got at the local store. This is straight machine code, not assembly.

    I really liked playing with this chip, and it started an interest in hardware and down-to-the-metal coding that I still enjoy sometimes.

    The 1802 chip was never big in the home computing world, but was very successful in embedded designs. Space hardware used them often. Whenever I see something in the news about computer makers worrying about ever-increasing power consumption, I suspect that maybe we have forgotton something that was known long ago with the old power-stingy CMOS designs.

    I found a pic of it on the web here.

  58. Let's see if I can remember... by dbc · · Score: 1

    ... all the ones I had.

    When Wayne Greene announced that he was going to start a computer magazine, I jumped right in. The first few issues of Byte were nothing like the later years... I dropped my sub after it became all about IBM compatibles. The first issues of Byte were from another world than we know today.

    After saving up my money, I bought a Southwest Technical Products 6800 system. I had 3 memory boards, for a total of 12K bytes of ram. That's a lot of 1K x 1 ram chips to solder. SWT also did a "tv typewriter" kit that gave you a 40 column by 24 line terminal. Wheee! In those days, I lusted after an Teletype Corp. ASR 33 so that I would have a mass storage device... paper tape. *sigh* I think I still have the power and reset switch, and the transformer somewhere in my parts pile, salvaged when I scrapped the computer.

    As an undergrad, I got to play with the early PET computers. The chicklet keyboards would make you nuts! I eventually bought an Apple II, (not IIe, not II+, an Apple II with integer basic on the mobo). Eventually, I upgraded that system to the full 48K bytes of ram. Floating point basic was a nifty addition. And I was one of the first to go out and snag a floppy. Hurray!!! No more casette tape mass storage. Got pretty good at 6502 assembler. Apple's high-end 6502 assembler could generate an external symbol dictionary, but they never made a linker. So I wrote one. It was about 4k lines of assembly code, IIRC. One of my most vivid memories of those days is the first time I saw VisiCalc. Blew me away. I said right there that program was going to sell a lot of Apples. Nobody had ever seen a spreadsheet before VisiCalc.

    Remember TRS-80's but they never impressed me much.

    Had the original Mac. 128K bytes of ram and a floppy -- who needs anything else? Ha. Ended up with a couple more macs as time went on. Apple lost their way shortly after that.

    Got a PC compatible just about the first release of NT, a 486 system of some flavor. It, too, rusts in piece. I have 2 Pentium systems that still boot, a couple of Pentium II systems, the family file server is a P4 Celery running Linux (Slackware, I'm old school). Oh, and my daughter has a P4 Celery also. And there seems to be a Toshiba laptop graveyard out in the garage.

    And I'm typing this on my wife's new Mac mini. I think Apple has found their way out of the woods, finally. If they can fix cron in the next update to Tiger, I'll be very happy.

    OK, enough of this pointless navel staring. Gramps is signing off now... it's time for my medication.

    1. Re:Let's see if I can remember... by saintlupus · · Score: 1

      . If they can fix cron in the next update to Tiger, I'll be very happy.

      What sort of problems are you having with cron? Works fine for me.

      Send me an email -- address is on my homepage.

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  59. Couldn't they have just by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    charged more for the roms and OS? Or did they have long range contracts or something silly like that?

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  60. I have 2 BBCs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A BBC B and a Master. Plus the Electrostatic-Death-Generator (otherwise known as the Monitor) and a few games (Arcadians, anyone?) to go with it.

    Heres a tech question.

    One of the BBCs is set to load from a network and wont load from the disk drive. I know there are a few commands you have to type to get it to switch to the disk. Does anyone know what they are?

    1. Re:I have 2 BBCs by LardBrattish · · Score: 1
      I remember the Master, Had one at work. We had a B+ too if anyone remembers those...

      I'm racking my brains for the disc commands is it something like *DISK n?

      You might have to switch over to another eprom because the network stuff was non-standard & was implemented by using a different boot eprom IIRC. It's the one on the left of the 4 slots in the basic B as you look from the front (it'll be a plain one not one with a label covering a window). Earth yourself & good luck. Swap out from one to the other to see if I'm right.

      I've burned EPROMs for a BEEB before but good luck finding a burner & a 16K eprom these days.

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    2. Re:I have 2 BBCs by PhilHibbs · · Score: 1

      Yes, it could be abreviated to "*D.1"; "*CAT" was the directory listing, which could be abbreviated all the way down to "*."

      I still - very occasionally - hit the "@" key when going for the "*".

      One of the unique features of the BBC Micro was that you could boot it up and immediately write code - not just BASIC, which all the 8-bit home micros could do - but ASSEMBLY!

    3. Re:I have 2 BBCs by PhilHibbs · · Score: 1

      >You might have to switch over to another eprom...

      Didn't the OS record which EPROM had registered a * command and automatically page it in? Or did it poll them all when a * command was issued until one responded? You shouldn't have to page in EPROMs to issue * commands.

    4. Re:I have 2 BBCs by psmears · · Score: 1
      Or did it poll them all when a * command was issued until one responded? You shouldn't have to page in EPROMs to issue * commands.

      Yes, it polled all the ROMs when a * command it didn't recognise was issued.

      In answer to the original question, if it's the Master that comes up with network selected by default, you should be able to type *ROMS to get a list of the EPROMs present, then *CONFIGURE FILE <n> (where <n> is the ROM with the disc filing system (DFS)—typically 9). If it's the BBC B you may have to move the ROMs around internally, or solder/unsolder one of the "keyboard links" to persuade it to come up with DFS by default.

  61. Raise Your Hand if You Run Linux on PPC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    ***Raises Hand***

    <crickets>
    1. Re:Raise Your Hand if You Run Linux on PPC by saintlupus · · Score: 1

      I'm with you. Debian/PPC on three different machines.

      Yellow Dog sucks, though.

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  62. Just curious by Stan+Vassilev · · Score: 1

    Who the heck puts ENIAC in an article about personal computers? I mean I got get in this thing and die out of starvation before I manage to find my way out.

    Also, while everybody where dying to make the perfect e-office out of their computer, Atari came and took 'em by surprise with their Unique Killer Feature. The feature? PONG.

  63. Re:Microsoft sucks. by LardBrattish · · Score: 1
    Besides that, all I can say of Microsoft is that at least they let you choose what hardware to run it on.

    They're working on it - look up "Trusted Computing" sometime

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  64. UK market share by payndz · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'm pretty sure that in terms of market share in the UK, the ZX-81 whomped all competition (TRS-80, Atom, VIC-20) in the early 1980s, and the ZX Spectrum outsold the C64 and the BBC Micro by quite a margin for the first few years of its life simply because it was so much cheaper than either. Macs and PCs barely made a dent even in the business market until the late 1980s simply because they were so damn expensive!

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  65. Re: Asimov by MZ80K · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I have read the first foundation book twice. In one version, the main character owned a rule calculator (the mechanical thing) which was so advanced it could do differential equations. In the second version, it was replaced by something which resembles the present day PDA.

  66. Fire in the Valley (Read this book!) by narcc · · Score: 1

    For an excellent (and certainly more through) account of the advent of the personal computer you should check out Fire in the Valley by Paul Freiberger and Michael Swaine. It's one of those rare non-fiction works that truly engages you in the story. It even includes a copy of the letter Bill Gates wrote about software piracy (c. 1976).

  67. Only very recently by Foerstner · · Score: 1

    Only very recently has Apple's "resurgence" manifested itself in higher-than-market sales growth. The Ars article apparently doesn't include that data.

    Apple desktop market share on the rise; will the Mac mini, iPod help?

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  68. ZX Spectrum by rishistar · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The Sinclair ZX Spectrums were at the same time (1982) as the BBC and kicked off the idea of a computer in the UK home to me. If my experiences are reflective of the wider picture, The BBC Micros were more about school use - but at home a Speccy was the thing to have - mainly as it was cheaper and seemed to have better games.

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  69. Re: Asimov by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
    the main character owned a rule calculator (the mechanical thing) which was so advanced it could do differential equations. In the second version, it was replaced by something which resembles the present day PDA.

    Off on a tangent... 30 years since I read those. Anyway, it was either Hari Seldon himself, or maybe the Second Foundation members who had those. The latter also had wall-screen displays to run the psycho-history equations. I haven't read any of the sequels he and others wrote long after when he tried to integrate this with his positronic robot stories, originally a quite different future history. They probably retconned the technology.

    It's interesting to read Golden Age SF, when they look out the spaceship portal with a telescope to locate other ships, and you wonder why they don't use radar till you realise it hadn't been invented when it was written; or Heinlein's astrogators who use memorised tables and slide rules to pilot starships through hyperspace (Starman Jones).

    Asimov wrote a book about how to use slide rules; I read it at high school, when LED calculators were an expensive novelty.

  70. Re:Microsoft sucks. by Digital+Pizza · · Score: 1

    Just wait 'till mext month.

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  71. Star Wars? by big+ben+bullet · · Score: 2, Funny

    "When IBM lost the clone battles..."

    Hmmz... I thought episode II was named "The clone wars" not battles..
    and what part did IBM take in it again?

    Very puzzled i am, indeed...

  72. Re:Microsoft sucks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >Besides that, all I can say of Microsoft is that at least they let you choose what hardware to run it on.

    Ah. It must be a nearby mico black hole that prevents me from running Win2K natively on an Inspiron 8600. Perhaps the sam black hole prevents Fedora FC3 from writing to the disk of a Dell C610 that also won't run WinXp.

    Damn those singularities.

  73. Acorn Archimedes by steve90 · · Score: 1

    The Archimedes was a great machine. Lightning fast and could run Impression, a full desktop publishing application off of floppy discs - there was no hard drive on the model we had at home. There were also some great games on it including a fantastic version of Elite and an arcade conversion called SWIV.

    I don't think it ever broke out of the educational niche market though, which is a shame.

    1. Re:Acorn Archimedes by Stephen+Williams · · Score: 1

      There were also some great games on it including a fantastic version of Elite

      All those wasted lunch hours playing Elite on the school Archies... ahhhh, memories...

      -Stephen

  74. Anybody remember the HP-35? by Nybble's+Byte · · Score: 0

    The first RPN pocket calculator, introduced in January 1972, complete with trig and log functions. It rocked the scientific community, and you were a Big Man on Campus if you had one hanging off your belt instead of a Pickett slide rule. Even the sound of opening the soft leather case with its Velcro closure strip was sooo geek chic. Now, if only chicks had dug it...

  75. Nothing about DEC either? by timfy62 · · Score: 1

    No mention of Digital Equipment Corporation's Rainbow PC, or the Alpha CPU? ...and I thought the whole Wang computer fiasco would have had some mention.

  76. It doesn't quite cover "everything".. by rkaa · · Score: 1

    The SX Spectrum Sinclair isn't mentioned at all. Released in 1982 it quickly gained worldwide popularity, and is till this day considered Britains most famous computer. It had a strong (but presumably unintended) appeal to latex fetishists, provided by a slippery rubber button keyboard. The software was loaded from compact audio cassettes in an external casette player. One would listen in awe to the music of every byte, as they left the storage device and reassembled to create the wonderful gaming scene of the 48K memory, 16 color technical wonder. Didn't load? Hit rewind, adjust volume and try again.

  77. Other popular computers missed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Jupiter Ace - ran Forth instead of BASIC

    Oric 1 and Oric Atmos

    Dragon 32 and 64

    Sinclair ZX-80, ZX-81, Spectrum, QL

  78. It's not hardware anymore, now it's all software.. by vistic · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In general though that's been the trend for home computers.

    Earlier on, the competing standards were all about different hardware architectures.

    But now, the shift in competition for home computers has moved from hardware to software. Right now most people use Windows, Linux, a BSD, or Mac OS X. And guess what? They ALL now run on x86 hardware.

    The companies don't compete based on hardware anymore... now they compete for software.

  79. Growing up in the 90s by el_womble · · Score: 4, Informative

    Its really interesting reading these articles where they mention Commodore 64s and IBM PC Clones in the same breath. I was 'growing up' during that period and hadn't adopted the shroud of geekdom, but I was still pretty tech savvi. I went through a BBC Micro, Spectrum 48k, and a lot of my friends bought Amiga 500s (luck SOBs) and the school had a few Macs, but when it came to doing work we used IBM clones, because they were 'real' computers.

    Even before the world standardized on Microsoft Office, and people were using Word Perfect and Lotus Office, saying that an Amiga 500 was a proper computer was the equivalent of saying that an XBox 360 is a 'real' computer now.

    Thats the tragedy of the 90s, these great systems are gone, not because they weren't any good, but because people didn't know how to use them, and nothing has changed now. I shocked a developer that I work with yesterday by saying that you could run a lot of DirectX games on Linux. Everytime I pull my PowerBook out in a meeting with new clients they are shocked that a geek would use a Mac instead of a 'real' computer. But if anything its more ridiculous:

    SCSI/Firewire/USB/SATA/PCI/Ethernet/TCP/IP

    We have standardized on so much that even our games consoles are almost indistinguisable from an IBM clone, and yet if you walk into an computer shop you have at most two options: PC / Mac, and in a couple of months both of those systems will be identical in all but OS.

    So as a world, why are we so obessed with the Wintel platform?

    Its can't be performance. Ever since the PIII, the two biggest barriers to real office performance have been RAM and HDD speed, and with 256MB RAM costing £20 and fast enough HDDs for £40 that really isn't a barrier.

    It can't be price. Apple, with their extrodinary mark-ups are capable of producing the Mac Mini for £350. Where are the other PPC / ARM / SPARC / POWER contenders?

    It can't even be software. Linux, in particular Ubuntu, have matured to such an extent that for 'real' computer task it exceeds Windows in usability and functionality. I could sit my dad in front of Open Office, on an Ubuntu box and he'd be just as functional within hours.

    I think its DRM.

    The XBox 360 has a 20GB harddrive, 512MB RAM a full networking stack and an API sophisticated enough that it is possible to create applications with graphics comparable to Jurasic Park, in real time. It has the ability to connect to my iPod, my camera, a keyboard and mouse, and it even has an external SATA connection (albeit proprietary) for future expansion of the harddrive. At £270 its a good price, for a system that would be fascinating to play with because of its 6 hardware threads. And yet its competitor is the unreleased PS3, not the mac mini.

    Millions of these units will be sold and will achieve a market penetration that Steve Jobs would kill for, many of them to lower income families (who value entertainment and keeping up with the Jones' over education) and yet, because of DRM, the number of children that will do their homework on one, or use it as a 'real' computer will be counted on one hand, and even fewer will ever use it to develop software for the console itself (unlike the Commodore 64).

    Beacause of DRM, turning these systems into a home computer isn't as simple as inserting a Live DVD and attaching a £10 keyboard and mouse set. Because of DRM, an exciting and innovative hardware platform will never be anything more than a toy. Because of DRM, in 30 years time, the Ars Technica article won't even mention the PS3 or the XBox when they're talking about the development of the home computer. So much for protecting innovators and artists.

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    1. Re:Growing up in the 90s by vjouppi · · Score: 2
      Even before the world standardized on Microsoft Office, and people were using Word Perfect and Lotus Office, saying that an Amiga 500 was a proper computer was the equivalent of saying that an XBox 360 is a 'real' computer now.

      I ran WP (4.1 I think it was) on my A500 from diskettes and it worked the same as on the PC. Oh yeah, I also had the use of my mouse and graphical menus to select functions from, when PC users had to press ctrl-shift-alt-whatever to get underlined text (I think they had some sort of paper keyboard overlays for most PC software back then, because no-one could memorise the keycombos otherwise? :-)..

      Btw, my computer could also display underlined text on my screen, where the PC only turned it another colour to indicate it was going to be underlined when you print it. At least so I remember when my dad showed his work laptop (some toshiba luggable) that was running DOS and WP.. State of the art indeed! :-)

      Also we had other, actually WYSIWYG capable word processors already back in the late 80s. (ProWrite, Scribble!, KindWords, etc) And yes, also spreadsheets..

      Even though most people only played games on an unexpanded A500, that same toy computer could actually do "real computer stuff" too, while pre-emptively multitasking (not co-operatively, like Linus Torvalds claims) in a GUI environment since 1985.. Of course you don't get far without a hard drive and some extra ram, but neither do you get very far with a floppy only PC.. Certainly not as far as a multitasking gui OS that boots from a single 880kB floppy!

      You could say the CD32 was the XBox of it's day (this back in 1993) as it only came with a top loading CD drive, no floppy/hard drive or keyboard.

      Uh oh, I fell victim to the Amiga persecution complex again.. Sorry.
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    2. Re:Growing up in the 90s by el_womble · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm sorry I made you feel persecuted, but I think I'm on your side. My point, as badly worded as it was, was saying that the Amiga WAS a real computer, but that public perception was that it was a toy... and that public perception was wrong. With the benefit of hindsight, and a wider perception of the IT industry, I can see what a valuable platform the Amiga could have been, had it been widely told what it could do. I helped my father waste £1500 on a Pentium 90, when in reality we would probably have been better served by the significantly cheaper Amiga 500, or gotten a Mac instead. C'est la vie.

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    3. Re:Growing up in the 90s by Tilmitt · · Score: 1

      "We have standardized on so much that even our games consoles are almost indistinguisable from an IBM clone, and yet if you walk into an computer shop you have at most two options: PC / Mac, and in a couple of months both of those systems will be identical in all but OS.

      Only the Xbox is x86, all the other games consoles are non x86. Psone, PS2 and PSP are MIPS. Gamecube, PS3, Revolution and Xbox 360 are all PowerPC. With the loss of Macs to x86, the only things that are free from it's corruption are the few tiny vendors of RISC based computers and the games consoles (with the exception of the original Xbox).

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    4. Re:Growing up in the 90s by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      but when it came to doing work we used IBM clones, because they were 'real' computers.

      I disliked the way that people with expensive DOS-based 286 PCs viewed their machines as "real computers", and mocked other computers like the Amiga for being games machines.

      And history showed them all wrong. Yes, the PC may have "won", but only by adopting all of what the other machines had: The PC is now seen as a mainstream gaming platform, and much of its hardware (eg, 3D cards) is devoted mainly for pushing games. Things like a GUI and sound are considered essential now, and not some toy add-on.

      Where are the other PPC / ARM / SPARC / POWER contenders?

      I suspect it is price. Yes, Apple can produce the Mac Mini, but they've been in business for years, have large purchasing power, and have money to spend.

      There are other platforms (eg, the Pegasos and AmigaOne are two PowerPC boards), but the userbase is small, so they can't sell many, so the costs of the motherboards are high to cover their development costs, which means few people buy them, and so on.

      Software is also a problem - yes, Linux can run anywhere, but anyone wanting to run Linux will do it on a cheaper common platform rather than some new expensive platform. So the most of the people attracted to other platforms do so because of the different OS (MorphOS and AmigaOS in my examples), but due to limited amounts of software, it's harder to attract more people.

      It is interesting that companies can produce successful games machines which are separate platforms, but this isn't anything about "DRM", it's because they don't want to either write a new OS and a load of application software, or port Linux and try to find a reason why their platform is better for running Linux than anything else.

  80. ITYM "*DR.1" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... for *DRIVE. Because *DISC (I think the spelling *DISK was also grudgingly accepted) merely selects the DFS as the current filing system (as opposed to, say, *ADFS or *TAPE.)

  81. History by trollable · · Score: 1

    First Personal Computer
    But if you mean a modern PC (personal microcomputer not sold in kit), it was french and named MICRAL. Ref.

  82. No Sinclair by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Means no history of personal computing. The ZX Spectrum sold a million units in Britain alone and (until the IBM PC) had more knock offs and clones, thanks to Communist Block countries) than any other machine.

    PS for ultimate irony the security image says spectrum!

  83. British home computers deserve recognition by Antiocheian · · Score: 1

    Sir Clive Sinclair should have been mentioned in this article. A large number of Europeans have been introduced to computers with the Spectrum ZX and the Amstrad CPC series.

  84. Re:PC dominance an argument for open-source softwa by Aim+Here · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "yet the haters of this technology are few and far between (mostly Mac fanbois)."

    Well for Mac weenies, vendor lock-in on the software is just not enough. They need the warm comforting feeling of vendor lock-in monopoly hardware too.

    I think you use the phrase 'open source' here a lot more than you mean to, so I'll adjust the argument appropriately

    "I guess with multiple vendors making products for the platform, open-source junkies are satisfied that one company isn't making all the profits"

    For "open source junkies" you really mean anyone who objects to Microsoft-style monopoly business practices. Including the open source community, free marketeers, competitors to the monopolists in question, and consumers generally.

    "Is the success of the IBM platform an argument for open-source software?"

    The IBM platform was a computer architecture that was opened up and became a de facto standard. "open source software" has little or nothing to do with it. Perhaps what you mean is that the lesson of the IBM PC could have some analagous lesson regarding the openness of software standards.

    "Obviously IBM doesn't make a heap of cash from every PC product sold, so there's not a great long-term monetary argument for a company developing an open-source standard per se, or is there?"

    s/open-source standard/open standard/j I assume

    What you're trying to say is that developing an open standard is silly if a company wants to become a monopolist. Probably true.

    But there's plenty of money to be made from the computer industry without necessarily becoming a monopolist (for example, IBM made heaps of cash from selling PCs, and then selling it's PC business, even if it couldn't charge rent on all the PC clones out there).

    The only argument in favour of letting a company monopolise or close a standard is if the software that uses it wouldn't otherwise get made, not whether or not makes $100 million or $10 billion. With t'internet and it's terabytes of free or open source software swimming around, not to mention plenty of the proprietary stuff if that's your thing, that software does have a way of getting itself made these days, so I really don't see that as a viable argument.

  85. Re:Fast... like turbo button! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    No, it changed (halved) the clock speed on the bus. Sort of like overclocking in reverse, realtime. I remember on my 12Mhz machine, it only got down to 6Mhz, which was too fast for some games but fine for others.

  86. Re:Microsoft sucks. by penguin121 · · Score: 1

    >Until Windows 95 came out (and 3.11 to a lesser extent)... NO ONE HAD PC's AT HOME.
    >The home market was dominated by Commodore, Apple, Atari, Tandy, TI, etc.

    By that standard... NO HAS APPLE'S AT HOME NOW... after all the home market is dominated by PC clones so we can pretent that nothing else exists... right?

  87. Home micros, custom chips and the Amiga by master_p · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The article missed a few important home micros of the 80s: the ZX Spectrum, the Amstrad CPC, the BCC, the Acorn Archimedes, the QL. Of course some of these machines were hugely popular outside of the US.

    What is noteworthy is that the most successful computers were not the most technologically advanced. For example, at the time I was playing "Shadow of The Beast" on my Amiga with 18 levels of parallax scrolling and hundreds of colors at 50 FPS, the PC could do 16 colors at low resolution without parallax scrolling and barely reaching 15 FPS. The difference in visual quality was so great, that it made me believe that custom chips (what is now known as 'video accelerators') would be the first thing any IBM-compatible PC would have right away. But I was so wrong: It took 10 years for the first video accelerator for the PC to arrive.

    Personally I think the Amiga was the most important home PC ever. It showed how a home computer should be like: easy to access, loads almost instantly, plays on TV and on computer monitor, with a wealthy of tools for the programmer and amateur electronics designer, and totally open in specs. In fact, the Amiga was so versatile as to (for example): a) display 16M colors where only 256 colors were actually allowed (on Amiga 1200), b) have CPU 68000, 68030 and PowerPC running at the same time, using the same memory.

    What went wrong for Commodore? The Amiga had great prospect, but what killed it was the disability of Commodore to see the importance of 3D graphics. Back at 1991, Commodore had a great custom chip that could do 1 million textured polygons at 50 frames per second with hardware transformation, but they instead went on to produce CD32. The decision was a result of internal politics...then Doom appeared on the PC, making it the premier gaming choice, and the rest is history.

    The history of Amiga reminds me of SEGA: SEGA were the masters of 3D graphics at the arcades, but they miserably failed to produce any decent 3D machine until the Dreamcast. SEGA underestimated the importance of 3D graphics for the home, and they were forced out of the console business. If we had arcade-quality Outrun, Space Harrier, Afterburner and Powerdrift at home during the Genesis/Megadrive era, and then Virtua Fighter / Virtua Striker, things would be different today for SEGA, just as it would be for Commodore if the Amiga had custom chips for 3D graphics 10 years before the PC.

  88. Re:Microsoft sucks. by CmdrGravy · · Score: 1

    Speak for yourself, we had a PC to replace the old BBC Micro before 3.1 and Windows 95 and so did a lot of other people I knew. I haven't a clue what I used to do with it mind you.

  89. Re:Microsoft sucks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nonsense. Kids (I was then at the time) mostly used Commodores and Atari's because PCs were expensive and games sucked on CGA and EGA and the PC beeper. But several of my friends parents had PCs at home to run pirated copies of Wordperfect 5.1, Lotus 1-2-3. And the kids played DOS games on them. I waded through many Sierra *Quests in glorious 4 color CGA. Not to mention that stuff like Wing Commander, Wolfenstein 3D, Doom, Civilization all confortable predated Win95.

  90. I don't understand your post at all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Are you actually advocating Mac, which is historically more encumbered both in hardware and software?

    Or XBox, which is even more limited, because it is sold as a game-system, and not a computing platform? It's not even an alternative to Wintel, it's still wintel except for a few hacks on the board.

    DRM is not even implemented to any big extent in any of these systems.. DRM is in HDTV and such beasts, but is hardly implemented in all its gory ugliness yet.

    I just don't understand your post.. If Xbox competed in the same market as computers, the two product offers would get the same price tags. You can't have it both!

    I will say it is customers who are too picky about learning something new. If it's not Windows / x86, people just run away screaming.

    1. Re:I don't understand your post at all by el_womble · · Score: 2, Interesting
      My point was that even though the XBox is sold as a games machine its really a fully fledged 'real' computer, just like the commodore amiga was in its day, its just crippled.

      My second point was that if it wasn't DRM encumbered, and was allowed to run a full OS, its share in the home market would probably make up a significant percentage, just like the commodore amiga did back in the 90s.

      My final point, although it was probably the weakest, is that it doesn't matter what you are selling, if its not Intel/Windows its not a 'real' computer in the eyes of the public. It doesn't matter how fast, how well it works, or how much better it is than Wintel, people will always assume its a toy unless it got the wintel seal of approval.

      For example devices you can send email from:
      • mobile phone
      • Sky/Cable Box
      • PDA
      • Mac/Linux
      • Wintel Box

      What do people buy when they want to send email regularly? A wintel box. Why? Because its a real computer, and everything else is just playing at email... at least thats the perception.

      Its not really the publics fault. We might be used to the IT horizon changing every couple of months, but other social groups just arn't used the that rapid sense of change. It might be 5 years since you couldn't transfer a Mac floppy/usb stick to a PC, but its only now that this fundamental change is starting to sync with the public psyche.

      Linux has gotten an even bigger mountain to climb. It may be getting some free advertising in the national press, but if you ran a vox pop on Linux asking "What do you know about Linux?" I'd bet you get more half truths, fud and outdated misconceptions than in a Microsoft marketing thinktank, and if you can find anyone who's even heard of *BSD out side of the IT industry I'd be very suprised.

      As for your point about price tags. I understand that the machines are subsidised, and that they recoupe that cost through development licenses and game sales, I just don't remember asking for it. Nintendo sold their games on cartriges because it made the games load faster. I can respect that, especially as the console before that was a spectrum 48k. I can also see that from a business point fo view it entitled them to charge for game licences and development kits... cartridge fabricators arn't exactly standard on new PCs.

      What annoyed the hell out of me was when Sony and Microsoft waded in with commodity hardware and decided to cripple the real functionality and decide that what the community wanted was cheaper, but restricted hardware, and then getting all pissy when people didn't want to play just the offical games. If you stick USB ports, firewire, CD/DVD drives on a box with a general purpose CPU in it, its going to be cracked. Release the development kit, and let nature create the greatest games on the planet.

      I don't have a problem with copyright holders coming down hard on piracy rackets who are profiting at the expense of their expertise and genius. I don't have a problem with console builders suing the hell out of software companies that sell games without paying a licence. I do have a problem with publishing houses and hardware vendors who penalise people for wanting to get the most of hardware that they own, using free software. If you buy lost leader ink-jet paper from Costco are you restricted from using it in a printer your bought from Best Buy? Of course not.
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    2. Re:I don't understand your post at all by WinterSolstice · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think he's saying "Why can't you get OpenOffice (equiv) for XBOX?" Which is a good question. Why don't all computers come with a BASIC interpretor anymore?

      I looked at this issue on a thread a long time ago, and I'll restate it here - people don't care about computers anymore. I don't know why. My kids have access to gaming and coding technology I would have killed for, and they don't even care. They don't even play computer games much anymore - they're simply not interested. What the heck happened?

      Game Informer this month released the 'statistic' that 78% of teenagers were becoming "less interested" in gaming. Anyone know if this is an actual trend? I thought gaming was on the rise. Computer Science certainly doesn't seem to be.

      -WS

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    3. Re:I don't understand your post at all by CylanR77 · · Score: 1

      "people don't care about computers anymore. I don't know why."

      Easy. Back in the 80's, a single person could churn out a game or program that was as good as any commercial offering.

      These days, there's no way an amateur, working as a single person, could produce anything that we hadn't already seen back in 1983.

      Until there's a real revolution in computing technology [and I mean it - what we use today is just an evolution of tech from the early 80's], you won't see many people genuinely excited about programming, in the old school sense. Everything has basically "been done already", and the only real magic happening now is in huge peojects that require teams of skilled developers to make.

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    4. Re:I don't understand your post at all by WinterSolstice · · Score: 1

      That's probably true. It's certainly a good reason.

      I know my personal interest in games/gaming has been waning of late. I played with the PSP and the XBox 360 but just couldn't find any games that really made me go "Wow!" the way some of the PS2, N64, NES, and older PC games did. World of Warcraft is pretty nice, but I still use it mainly as something to do while chatting with friends.

      I kinda miss the excitement I had at playing things like Devil May Cry (1), Frogger, etc. The new stuff is about as interesting as a hollywood flick, and not much more interactive in some cases.

      -WS

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  91. There are PDAs in 2001 by kronocide · · Score: 1

    In the beginning of 2001 - A Space Odyssey, the main character reads the news and personal messages from a small, flat handheld device, by pointing at icons on the screen. The movie is from 1968.

  92. Re:Fast... like turbo button! by Xanni · · Score: 1

    100% incorrect. Please mod parent down.

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  93. Do you know where Apple's logo comes from? by kronocide · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I've had a theory for some time that it's the apple that Alan Turing poisoned and used to kill himself with. So the bite-mark is from Turing's suicide. Pretty grotesque, but I don't know of any other famous apples in computing history.

    1. Re:Do you know where Apple's logo comes from? by scharkalvin · · Score: 3, Informative

      DUH! How about the one that hit Newton on the head? In fact, that
      is EXACTLY what was on the original Apple computer logo, a drawing of Isacc Newton and the apple.

    2. Re:Do you know where Apple's logo comes from? by kronocide · · Score: 1

      Of course I'm familiar with that (mythological) apple. However, it has little to do with computers (especially compared to Turing's apple) and why is there a bite mark? A Wikipedia search confirms it though, there's a pic of Newton on the original logo. I however think my explanation is much much better. :-)

    3. Re:Do you know where Apple's logo comes from? by vertinox · · Score: 1

      DUH! How about the one that hit Newton on the head?

      You mean that crazy religious fanatic who meddled in alchemey?

      Heck, he even helped a counterfeiter get sentenced to death as chief prosecutor who then hanged, drawn, and quartered.

      That's pretty gruesome to me!

      (I jest but even Newton's Life was rather gruesome if you consider how things were back then)

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  94. Re:Microsoft sucks. by grahamm · · Score: 1

    Until Windows 95 came out (and 3.11 to a lesser extent)... NO ONE HAD PC's AT HOME.

    That is not true. The home market for PCs started when Amstrad introduced their range of low-cost PCs, and these shipped with MSDOS and Windows 2.x (the 'top-of-the-range Amstrad 386 which I once owned came with Windows-386)

  95. Re:Fast... like turbo button! by MarkRose · · Score: 1

    Yeah, that's it.

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  96. Atari Innaccuracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The article states that Atari never released any products other than an ST which shipped with a memory upgrade.

    That's not true at all.

    I recall several different versions of the Atari ST:

    ST
    STM
    STFM
    STE

    The Atari ST model E had enhanced sound and graphics capability, in order to display 4,096 colours and also provided new sound capabilities, plus a more up-to-date version of TOS.

    Also, Atari released the Mega ST (in a PC style case), the awesome Atari Falcon and Atari TT.

    The ST was popular for music applications (notably Cubase) and DTP applications due to the Atari High Resolution (Mono) monitor!

    The Atari ST could read and write low density (and high density, with an upgrade) PC formatted disks for information interchange with the PC. The Amiga could not, because it had a higher capacity (880K rather than 720K).

    I loved my Atari ST - I learned to program on it, but I also desperately wanted a PC which I couldn't afford!

    1. Re:Atari Innaccuracy by nogginthenog · · Score: 1

      Erm, the Amiga could read PC disks just fine. DOS2DOS was around when I bought my first Amiga (1988?). However, the reverse was not true (PC could read Amiga disks). The Atari was popular for music apps because it had built in midi ports!

  97. Re:Microsoft sucks. by grahamm · · Score: 1

    Microsoft Basic is not even a particularly good BASIC. My first introduction to BASIC was in the mid 1970s on an HP2000 system at college. This was vastly superior to the MS BASIC. Even the Locomotive BASIC on the Amstrad CPC home computers (Z80) was superior to the (later) PC and GW-BASIC on PCs.

  98. Apple bottomed out at 1.8%, 2005 jumped to 4.4% by e1618978 · · Score: 4, Informative


    http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/br eaking_news/13415110.htm

    "Apple has also recently made market share inroads in the United States, according to IDC. After years of hovering between a 2.5
    and 3.7 percent share of the U.S. PC market, the company finally cracked 4 percent in the first half of 2005, Daoud said.

    Apple's market share of PC shipments was 4.4 percent in the third quarter, an increase of 43 percent from the year ago period,
    while the overall PC market expanded by only 2 percent, he said."

    1. Re:Apple bottomed out at 1.8%, 2005 jumped to 4.4% by Cybrex · · Score: 1

      The article also mentions that computer sales are still the largest portion of their revenue. So much for "quietly de-emphasizing."

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  99. Were these guys even alive in the '80s? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Atari 400/800 did not come with blitters. That was the Amiga. As for being a "closed" system, I still have the Atari Hardware Reference Manual that I bought along with my 800. Has full schematics and the source code to the OS ROM.

  100. Kids is right - go back a little further.... by Gr8Apes · · Score: 2, Informative

    GW-Basic came with DOS 3.x. That's when MS finally abandonded Bill's feeble attempt at writing any software and bought the rights to GW-Basic. But yes, I do remember those days, and the third disk that came with my whopping 1MB RAM system, OnTrack's Disk Management and Driver, so that I could access the extra 8MB of storage on my 40MB HD.

    Now if you really want to go back, go back to the Atari 800 w/ cassette drive, for which you had to read a 40 page instruction book on how connect and initiate programs from a tape. Or the TRS-80 w/ 1 floppy drive. Start up the system, yank the disk, put in program disk, run the command for that paticular program, yank the disk, replace system disk, run edit program, yank system disk, replace with disk holding file to edit.... BTW, Apple had a similar system out at the time of the TRS-80. The pre-PC days. What a time....

    These were truly pain in the ass systems. When dual floppy systems came out, there was much rejoicing.

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  101. Bunch of Ars by lensman_sd · · Score: 2, Informative

    Less powerful than a modern pocket calculator, the first real job for these massive machines was to speed up the calculation of artillery firing tables.

    So Colossus being used to break the Axis' "Fish" cipher system not "real" enough then ?

    Odd that this should fail to be mentioned, despite the author correctly identifying Eniac as the second electronic digital computer.

    Bloody yanks

    1. Re:Bunch of Ars by cr0sh · · Score: 1
      The difference between Colossus and ENIAC (although I don't think of ENIAC as being the first electronic computer either - that distinction clearly goes to the ABC, which predates ENIAC by a few years, and it was later found via the courts that ENIAC's designers "stole" techniques from Antanasoff and Berry) is in being able to reconfigure the machine to handle new tasks. Colossus, while it was a true electronic computer (and a parallel processing one to boot!), could not be reconfigured to handle a task outside of its design, whereas ENIAC could (via plugboards and such).

      Arguably, ENIAC wasn't even a true computer, though, but rather a calculating machine. What is interesting here is that ENIAC wasn't digital (that is, base 2), but rather used a base-10 ring-counter system for its "registers" (made of vacuum tubes). While these registers did use something akin to a flip-flop, due to the unreliability of the tubes and the sheer number needed, a base 2 system couldn't be reliably constructed for the purpose at hand (at which ENIAC wasn't even completed in time for - it was needed for WW2, but it was never used for it, because it wasn't completed in time for use).

      Furthermore, another interesting note about computers of the era, was that it wasn't until your man Alan Turing (pity he was hounded to suicide) realized that computers could be made as symbol processing machines rather than calculators that the whole modern idea and uses of computers could be made. It is a strange segment in the development of computers, but up until paper in which he introduces and discusses the his Turing Machine, computers were thought of as operating on numbers only, and nothing more (in a way, this is similar to the whole rigid mindset of base 10 instead of base 2 - Charles Babbage, who being a great mathematician knew of George Boole's work in logic and mathematics, as well as knew of electricity, batteries, and relays (because telegraphy was in use at the time) - Babbage should have been able to build his machines, using the tech of the time, to use base 2 logic and electrical elements - but he didn't, and opted for base 10 and mechanical elements!).

      Once Turing thought outside the box, the world was open for real computers, based on electronics, and a base 2 system. When you really go and study the history of computers - I mean in depth, looking at the ton of sources (and I wonder about the ton that have been lost over the years) still available, how it all fits together and how things happenned, you begin to realize how much of a "directed accident" it all was. The creation of the modern computer was very organic and evolutionary. In many ways, due to whatever "rigid thinking" of the period, people who should have did something different (like Babbage using mechanical elements rather than electromechanical ones) took a different route. Furthermore, the rigid thinking that computers were tools for numbers, instead of tools for symbol manipulation - that was another big "jump" in the history of it all.

      You what really makes me wonder? What rigid thinking of today is robbing us from making the "next leap" - in computers or another field? Is there something that we keep glossing over that would lead to human-level intelligence and conciousness in a machine? Is there something that we keep missing due to some other prejudice that prevents us from being able to truely harness fusion power? Why can't we travel to the stars cheaply - are we thinking about it all wrong?

      When you study the history of computers, you realize that it was, in many ways, a happy accident. If it weren't for certain key people (on both sides of the pond), we easily may not be where we are now...

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  102. Re:Microsoft sucks. by Junks+Jerzey · · Score: 2, Informative

    Until Windows 95 came out (and 3.11 to a lesser extent)... NO ONE HAD PC's AT HOME.

    Note true at all. There was a big home market for PC clones in the late 1980s. People wanted them to run word processors, mostly. Remember Word Perfect? WordStar? Q&A Write? And you could buy a lot of Atari, Apple, and C64 games that were ported over to the PC, though usually with horrific graphics.

  103. Re:Microsoft sucks. by WuphonsReach · · Score: 1

    We brought our first PC clone home in 1986. I used it for around 5 years before retiring it.

    IIRC, it came with AT&T DOS 3.0 (although I remember 3.1 and 3.3 also being around at the time).

    When I got to college in 1987-1988, only 3 out of a dozen rooms on the floor had a computer in their room. Two of us had IBM compatibles, one person had a C64. Another fellow, one floor up, had a Mac Classic.

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  104. I Loved my TRS-80 Color Computer 2! by michaelwigle · · Score: 1
    I can still remember getting it when I was 10. It was great. I studied the BASIC coding book that came with it (I've never seen a better layed out tutorial for learning a programming language since) and got very good at coding. Of course, I had lots of practice in repeptition because there was no storage for it yet. It was a couple of years before I got a cassette recorder to be able to store my programs on cassette tapes.

    That's when I started making my first information systems. Of course, before long I was writing programs that were too large for the 16K chip to store so I had to cool it unit I got the 32K chip! What a glorious day. Then I learned how to peek and poke the ROM and read information coming in the joystick ports which then opened up the great security system I created with some wires, resistors, and a cannibalized joystick controller.

    Yup, now those were the good ol' days...

  105. good book if you're into old computers by dougiewright · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Pick up a copy of Digital Retro, The Evolution and Design of the Personal Computer by Gordon Laing. It's by Sybex ISBN: 0-7821-4330-X.

    It's a fantasic book and it will bring back many good memories of that first computer. It covers about 44 computers/game consoles with colour photos, technical specs, company history and interesting trivia.

    Includes lesser known (in my opinion) systems like the Tatung Einstein TC-01, Oric-1, Jupiter Ace and the Grundy NewBrain.

  106. Not bad, until by hesiod · · Score: 1

    The article wasn't too bad until the 2nd-to-last page, where they start out by saying WinXP was a combination of Windows 95's face and NT's stability. They seem to completely forget about Windows 2000, which is when that happened -- not to mention that XP's "face" looks very little like 95/98 (cosmetically), yet exactly like 2000.

    Then claiming the Mac & PC were on equal technical footing? Just because they have a few similar software abilities? Hell no, the PCs of the time had FAR more upgradeability, whereas the Mac was pretty tightly closed still. While it has to do with Apple business choices, it's still a technical inequality.

  107. It isn't hardware or software by texaport · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Instead of waxing nostalgic about product introductions, when is the last time you saw something and:

    1) Told bosses that getting one of these would open great, new horizons?
    2) Pleaded with teachers and administrators to make a historical decision?
    3) Begged parents because something was revolutionary and not evolutionary?
    4) Saw the future as wide-open because of a fantastic new tool for inventors?

    1. Re:It isn't hardware or software by TeknoHog · · Score: 1

      I've experienced 2 and 4 in the past year or so. IMHO, open source has brought back the fun of computing as I remember it from the 80s.

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  108. NTSC vs. PAL by tepples · · Score: 1

    The SX Spectrum Sinclair isn't mentioned at all. Released in 1982 it quickly gained worldwide popularity

    Worldwide, or Europewide? Was it ever made compatible with the 60 Hz monitors that were popular at the time in, say, North America and Japan?

    1. Re:NTSC vs. PAL by rkaa · · Score: 1

      Well Margareth Thatcher gave one as a gift to the Japanese prime minister on a visit in 1983. I sure hope he was able to use it. The original ZX was not imported in the U.S. except on the "grey market", but in '83 a licensed clone was launced on the there by Timex under the name "TS 2068". And as another commenter here pointed out, illegal clones were made "everywhere" (from Hong Kong to Brazil)

  109. C64, Amiga, and INFO Magazine by airship · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Ah, the computer wars of the mid-80's.
    At INFO magazine, we were right in the middle, bashing IBM and Atari, giving grudging admiration to the Mac, and singing the praises of the Commodore 64 and Amiga.
    Those were the days.
    Anyone still interested in such things might be interested in visiting my INFO nostalgia page at: http://airship.home.mchsi.com/infomag.htm

    - Mark R. Brown, former Managing Editor, INFO Magazine

    PS Very nice article at Ars, by the way. Great research. Those numbers are almost impossible to find, and I think they did a great job. Love the graphs. :)

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  110. Strange by jawtheshark · · Score: 1

    I always thought that the "GW" in "GW-Basic" came from "Gates William", so I always assumed it was a genuine Microsoft product. When did they buy it and from whom?

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    1. Re:Strange by sconeu · · Score: 1

      I believe the GW stood for "Gee Whiz". Seriously.

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    2. Re:Strange by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      George Washington University Basic I believe - the original DOS came with their copyright.

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  111. Alternate Reality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    The first 3D RPG I heard of was 1984's Alternate Reality: The City for Atari 8-bits. (The sequel, AR: The Dungeon, had better graphics.) AR: City screenshot here.

  112. No blitter in the Atari 800 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    "Designer Jay Miner had fitted these machines with impressive technology, including a custom blitter chip that could blast large sections of graphics on the screen without involving the CPU."

    This is incorrect - that was the Amiga. The Atari's custom graphics chips were the Antic, which could arbitrarily mix graphics modes on the screen and produce interrupts in-between designated scanlines, and the CTIA / GTIA, which could overlay sprites (player / missiles in Atari parlance) as well as doing general color processing.

    Terrible.

  113. Re:Microsoft sucks. by PhilipMckrack · · Score: 1

    I went from a c64 which was getting dated to a 386 running Dos 5.0. I "added" on Win 3.0 when it came out and then 3.11. I had several friends with similar setups, way before 95 came out. Wing Commander was the first good game I bought for it and most games wouldn't run in windows mode.

  114. Death of Apple Predicted by rk · · Score: 1

    MPEGs at 11.

    Seriously, if I had a nickel for every time I heard someone say this for the last 15 years, I wouldn't be posting to slashdot because I'd be too busy living my international jet-set lifestyle...

    And rolling nickels to take them to the bank all the damn time.

  115. Recent Apple success is from iPod not Mac by AHumbleOpinion · · Score: 1

    I thought Apple had something of a resurgence in the last couple years, but I don't see much indication of that.

    Yes, but that was due to the iPod not the Mac. They are offering the most capable Macs ever, a industrial strength Unix with an actual credible consumer oriented UI on top of it, and with the Mini an attractive price. Yet they are merely maintaining or moderately expanding their market position. They may be on an upward trajectory but nothing dramatic is evident on the Mac side yet. Apple's current buzz and stock price is all about the iPod.

  116. Not True by Johnny+Mozzarella · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "Apple really topped out in the early 1990's, and has been on a long, (admittedly slow) downhill slide since then. They've managed to produce a couple of temporary upward bumps since then, but never anything very significant. Ultimately, it's just a bit of noise in a long, slow slide into oblivion. Recently, Apple's doing a bit better financially, but that's due to sales of iPods (and associated music, accessories, etc.) not Macs."

    In 2001 Apple sold about 3 million Macs which generated about 4.5 billion in revenue.
    In 2005 Apple sold over 5 million Macs which generated over 6 billion in revenue.

    http://homepage.mac.com/jomy/.Pictures/APPL/Q4-05. 013.jpg

  117. Re:Microsoft sucks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    You can say lots of bad things about MS - standardizing the printer driver over the mass market is one of their significant contributions.
    If Microsoft were not there, any other company would have done it. And, as most other posters mentioned, they'd probably do it in a much better way.

    It takes absolutely no merit to "standardize". It just takes a majority.
  118. Not just UK by Rui+del-Negro · · Score: 1

    In Europe in general, Sinclair computers (ZX-81, Spectrum, Spectrum +N, even the QL) were a lot more common than Commodore's. The original Spectrum, in particular, probably had more market share than all the competition put together.

    I still have a couple of Spectrums (complete with those hideous MicroDrives that failed so much they ended up being slower than tapes).

    And I have a memory expansion "brick" that pushed the ZX-81's RAM all the way to 16k. How often do people add 15x more RAM, these days? ;-)

  119. Both wrong. by Rui+del-Negro · · Score: 1

    Actually, it's a reference to the apple that Adam bit, that was supposed to give mankind the knowledge and power of a god. Hence the bite. The Newton played on the name "Apple", but it wouldn't make any sense for it to be bitten. And who would want to buy a poisonous computer? It's "the apple from the tree of knowledge".

    RMN
    ~~~

  120. overly digested by drwho · · Score: 1

    I found this article overly-digested (i.e. overly simple). For instance, they imply that Commodore developed the Amiga, when in fact Commodore bought the company, refined the product, and then released it.

    I still have my Commodore SX-64 (luggable X-64 with a built in 5" monitor and floppy drive), several Apple ][+s and ][Es, an Amiga 1000 and 2000. I gave away my TRS-80 model III though (with its 8" drives), because it took up so much room.

    I must say, of all of these, that my favorite is the Apple ][+. It was the first computer that I had in my house. But I feel somewhat saddened when I look at that logo, and see what a Marketing Machine Apple has become.

  121. Sheer Luxury!!! by Cybrex · · Score: 1

    My very first computer was a Sinclair ZX-80 connected to an old black and white TV. 1k of memory and a membrane keyboard. I didn't even have a cassette drive for the thing. If I wanted to run a program I had to type it in by hand, and as soon as I cut the power it would be gone again. Still, it's what I learned BASIC on. I still have it somewhere, and with a bit of soldering I imagine I could get it back up and running again. Hmmmm... sounds like a weekend project.

    Like many on /., my first "real" computer was a C-64. It was a *huge* part of my childhood. (300 baud, baby!) It was still my primary computer well into my college days. I remember typing papers in SpeedScript, and printing them out on an Okidata tractor feed printer. Those were the days! I still have my 64 too, as well as a big box

    Next came my Amiga 1200 upgrade, which was like a whole new world. 3.5" floppies, 20 MB hard drive, fully multitasking, and a 2400 baud modem. Still have that, too!

    Like you, my introduction to PCs was with Packard Bell. I splurged and got one of the blazing-fast new Pentium processors (60 MHz). I supplemented the original 420 MB drive with an additional 540 MB drive and had no idea what I'd ever do with all of that room. I mean, it was almost a Gig!

    Nowadays I can emulate all of them on my PowerBook. :-)

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  122. Vic20-1982!!! by JhohannaVH · · Score: 1

    W00t!!!! If it hadn't been for the Vic20 that my dad bought me when I was 8, I wouldn't be here today. I *really* wouldn't be here. I got that, and my life changed forever.

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  123. Cheap RAM is what made the PC practical by IvyKing · · Score: 1
    I believe that you could buy a Data General Nova with 64K of memory (core) for about $15,000 in 1972, but that didn't include a terminal (KSR-33's were the least expensive at that time) or mass storage (paper tape would have been the chepaest solution). A few people did buy such computers for home use. IBM had just released the 8 inch floppy to replace the funky System 3 punch cards (128 characters per card) which were intended to replace the 80 column Hollerith cards - incidentally the floppy had about the same data storage density of a box of hollerith cards.

    The chief enabling technologies (as you hinted) for the PC was low cost RAM, low cost mass storage and low cost display.

  124. Re:Microsoft sucks. by Zey · · Score: 1
    Until Windows 95 came out (and 3.11 to a lesser extent)... NO ONE HAD PC's AT HOME.

    Possibly true for the US. Not so elsewhere. In the UK and Australia though, Amstrad's PC clones were at the AUD $1000 price point in 1988 (mine was the PPC512S "luggable" with one of the first "CGA emulating" LCD screens) but there were also similar desktop models around. I used to do my highschool and uni assignments on that with Wordstar and did a bit of programming with Borland Turbo-Pascal 3 (which was released for both DOS and CP/M) ;-).

    If we're excluding IBM PC clones, some home micros were quite affordable in the early days. AUD $100 bought me my very first computer: a DSE VZ-200 (aka Laser 200 in Germany, Texet TX8000 in the UK) in 1983, while schools in Australia were generally stocked with Microbees.

  125. Cron deprecated for launchd by Dhrakar · · Score: 1

    Depending on what you mean by 'broken', cron may not be fixed for the next version of Tiger. Apple is wanting folks to move towards using launchd for everything. This includes cron, at, xinetd, inetd and rc. You can add your own scheduled items to launchd. See: man launchd and man launchctl

    1. Re:Cron deprecated for launchd by dbc · · Score: 1

      And it is widely known that the cron-like functionality of launchd is badly broken. I spent a couple of days fighting launchd before learning what seems to be widely known to everyone else. lauchd will be a nice unification of several services *when* *it* *works*, but until then, cron files are *much* easier to write, and under the right circumstances, they work. launchd is not fully baked, sad to say.

      As to cron, well, cron works like cron has always worked. And on OS X Server, everything is just fine, since servers never sleep. But both cron and launchd have a problem with sleep. This is understandable with cron, since it was never intended to talk to the power management processor. But launchd should talk to the power management processor. The machine needs to be woken up for cron-equivalent launchd jobs, period. In fact, Apple's log rotator scripts run afoul of this design defect. They won't run if your machine is asleep. Mac's, as they ship, will eventually fill up your disk with old log files unless you do something to correct the situtation, or unless you regularly find yourself computing at the odd hours when the log rotators are scheduled to run.

      All in all, Mac OS X strikes me as a great vision, 95% implemented.

  126. Try going back further... by cr0sh · · Score: 1

    Dungeons of Daggorath (cartridge) on a TRS-80 Color Computer - in 1983. Arguably one of the very first (but not *the first*) 3D "hack-n-slash" dungeon games on a computer...

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    1. Re:Try going back further... by snuf23 · · Score: 1

      What about Wizardry? Or the "3D" dungeon segments of Akalabeth and Ultima 1?

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  127. Re:Not So! Clarke was there first! by Rob+the+Bold · · Score: 1

    TFA's definition of personal computer ("something small and light enough for someone to pick up and carry around") isn't really the commonly accepted one, either. "Personal" usually means "one computer for one user (at a time)." I'm not really sure what they're thinking of. If they mean schleppable, my C=64 could be easilly carried around. And any TV could be its monitor. If they mean pocket-sized, TI and HP both had programmable calculators in that era. My BASIC programmable TI-66 fit in a coat pocket. I programmed a little gas milage program into it that I used in my car. 15 years later, my PDA finally acquired that functionality.

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  128. Few 100 clones? by snuf23 · · Score: 1

    Franklin Computer Corporation produced several different models of Apple II clones throughout the '80s - even after being sued by Apple. The Franklin Ace computers were fairly popular and I new a number of people who owned them.

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  129. "Significant OSes" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "A bit of a downer that they barely mentioned Linux and gave no mention to other significant OSes such as OpenBSD, but still a great read nonetheless."

    They don't mention the above OSes because they're talking about personal computers, not servers. There has never been a sizeable portion of the computer-using population that has ever used those OSes on their personal machines. Let "personal machine" be defined as a digital computer costing approximately $5,000 or less at the time it was released for public purchase by individuals and being designed for use by a single person either at their desk or in their lap. An IBM 650 mainframe that you own personally is thus not a "personal computer".

    These OSes more than likely also will never be in such a list because they don't have the massive resources to make them into something useful for ordinary people, like the Mac OS or (some people think) MS Windows. One shouldn't be required to reverse-engineer drivers and write a shell script just download pictures from one's camera to the personal computer. The kind of people who run stuff like Linux and OpenBSD at home are the kind of people who do things just because they can and without any regard to whether it's actually a good idea or not. It's a deficient sort of thinking.

  130. USA based article by snuf23 · · Score: 1

    The article was entirely oriented to sales in the USA. The Commodore 64 dominated the 8 bit era. The Sinclair made no impact in the US.
    I agree it doesn't tell the whole story and misses a lot of important computer systems from other countries (MSX anyone?).

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  131. New Commodore Book by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If anyone wants to read about the battle between Commodore and the other companies, there's a new book called "On the Edge: the Spectacular Rise and Fall of Commodore"

    http://www.commodorebook.com/

  132. A NEW book on Commodore company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If anyone wants to read about the battle between Commodore and the other companies, there's a new book called "On the Edge: the Spectacular Rise and Fall of Commodore"

    http://www.commodorebook.com/

  133. A number of things killed the Amiga by snuf23 · · Score: 1

    Most prominently that idiot who bought Commodore and tried to turn the Amiga into a game console during the "everybody make a console" early '90s. Watching the Amiga "Deathbed vigil" video is one of the most depressing experiences for an old Amiga fan.
    Aside from bad business decisions the one thing that really killed the Amiga was the same component that made it so greats: the custom chipset. The Amiga was so tied to it's hardware that it couldn't upgrade easily. Software was hard coded directly to the custom chipsets and even the one released upgrade (AGA) managed to break a number of game programs. And because the custom chips were directly tied to the motherboard, you couldn't upgrade an older Amiga to get AGA graphics. I myself had so much invested in my Amiga 2000 (big hard drive, '030 processor, deinterlacer, expanded memory), there was no way I was going to throw it all out for an inferior (CPU wise) 1200 and no way I could afford a 4000.
    Meanwhile on the PC side, VGA came out and rapidly became extremely cheap. The prices on PC hardware dropped dramatically. I was reluctant to leave the Amiga world - but the choice was between spending money I didn't have on a dying platform, or using a PC that a friend gave me for free after they upgraded.
    I truly miss the Amiga. It was a computer that was so far ahead of it's time that it took a decade for other computers to catch up and ultimately surpass its capabilities.

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  134. so what was your favorite original "PC" ? by objwiz · · Score: 1

    I was in middle school when PC can into existance. My mom would bring home computers for me to "play" with over the summer: apple ][, C64s, atari 400/800, TIs, etc...

    I would dig through books at stores and libraries, and managazines trying to port various basic programs to whatever "platform" I had available to me at the time. Once I wrote a "helicopter" game using basic. The "graphics" were the result of various poke statements to get funny chars to print on screen. I found a top down view of a boxing game written in basic, for a different basic and PC. I spent countless hours trying to translate that to the basic that ran on my TRS80. The TRS was the first computer my parents bought for me.

    The first computer I bought with my own $ was the RadioShack MC-10. A little thing with push button keys for the keyboard. I think it had 8K RAM. I bought it a pawn shop outside of FT Bragg, for about $40, while my parents were on base visiting. That look on their face, when the came back to the hotel, and I had this hooked up to the hotel TV. lol.

    I think the MC10 was my favorite, because I could take it with me on trips, plug it into the TV at the motel and entertain myself. I even got a cassette tape backup. I wish I could find a MC10 just for the memories....

  135. So, where was CP/M? by Withershins · · Score: 1

    There was a period when CP/M was the way to go. First general operating system so you didn't have to run everything in BASIC or write a different version of your software for every machine, ect. (Not to mention that DOS was for all practical purposes a 16-bit mimic of CP/M.) But I didn't find any mention of it at all in the article.

    My first machines were Morrows, and although 40,000 machines is nothing now, it was a good quantity back then. And it was certainly more functional than the first Mac.

    1. Re:So, where was CP/M? by lpress · · Score: 2, Insightful
      For sure! Leaving out CP/M-based machines is a glaring ommission.

      There were several floppy-based disk operating systems for the Altair and 8080 clones. In 1976 Digital Microsystems brought out a floppy disk subsystem bundled with CP/M, and that machine was capable of doing real work. Digital Microsystems folded, but CP/M went on to dominate the world of serious applications up till the IBM PC came out.

      CP/M started life as a software product (you wrote your own keyboard and display drivers in assmbly language), but took off when Digital Microsystems, Compal, and many others began bundling it with their systems. It dominated "serious" computing until the IBM PC came out. IBM bundled DOS with the machine and charged $75 extra for CP/M. CP/M continued technical excellence -- multitasking and a LAN version followed -- but DOS swamped it in the marketplace.

  136. Elite vs Wing Commander by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Elite was a fairly popular game at first but Wing Commander was the start of a new way of thinging for gamers. Througout the 80s, the goal of programmers was to reach as many possible configuarions as you possibly can. Amiga games were coded to run aon a 512k amiga 500, no memory expansion, no HDs. PC games were EGA or CGA and supported a gazillion, older sound cards. Suggesting that a programmer write a game only for VGA video cards would close you off to well over half the PC market, and programmers were afraid of doing this sort of thing... "backwards compatibility" and all that.

    WC changed this; instead of pandering to older standards to get more widespread support, they produced a game that required better hardware. They went from "anyone can run me, though it will suck on a monochrome monitor" to "You need a new video card, a 386 or better, or more ram" or all of the above. This was huge, and WC helped drive new hardware sales for gamers. Other gaming houses saw WC's success and realized they didn't have to just code for an EGA equipped XT box; they could code for 386 games and people would buy them, and even upgrade their hardware if need be.

    As far as the WC game itself, it bore no resemblance to Elite other than being a "space based game" until Privateer came out several years later. Even "Frontier" (aka Elite II sometimes)

  137. Re:Microsoft sucks. by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 1
    Until Windows 95 came out (and 3.11 to a lesser extent)... NO ONE HAD PC's AT HOME.

    ????

    I knew tons of people with DOS PCs at home. And they aren't all slashdotters today. Most of them were owned by families that had teens at home that used them for games, word processing and BBSes.

  138. Who Still has Working Models? by iamlucky13 · · Score: 1

    Who still has working models of any of the computers mentioned?

    I have two Commodore 64's hidden away in my parent's attic. I've read that they were designed to have a service life of roughly 20 years, because no one envisioned them becoming obsolete so fast. Last time I tried one of them, probably 2-3 years ago, it worked fine and I had bit of fun playing Pitstop and Omega Race with an old Atari joystick. I actually have floppy disks for Wing Commander, Sim City, and Bard's Tale (Wizardry clone), but they seem to be corrupt. I was only able to do the training mission in Wing Commander and couldn't load Sim City or Bard's Tale at all. I also used to have a bunch of random programs on casette tapes, but I think they all got thrown out. One of the C=64's is in the original box, with a Costco price tag from 1984 for $200 or so. I've never looked into what I might be able to accomplish with my 300 baud modem and the Compuserve trial disk I have.

  139. Java is the Visual Basic of the Linux world by Latent+Heat · · Score: 1
    One could program to the Windows API in C after Charles Petzold's books or perhaps program in C++ and muck around with MFC with those forests of MESSAGE_MAP macros. Or one could just whip up a program in Visual Basic -- it would be bloated, it would be slow (at some level, but it would respond fast enough to mouse clicks), it would be visually crude like it was thrown together by someone who knew nothing of graphics design or of programming, but such a program would be there to do a job while the other guys were whining about how much work it took to develop a proper Windows app.

    If you are talking cross-platform, you could learn the Qt or GTK APIs and muck around with getting Qt or GTK installed on Windows for your 98% of the world according to TFA Windows users. Or you could do it in Java. It would pretty much Just Work on Windows, Solaris, Linux, and OS X. Yes you have to get Java installed under Windows, but in most academic computing facilities, sysadmins putting Java on Windows machines is pretty much a given these days. You ask for Python and wxWidgets and you get a sullen stare -- as to Qt or GTK on Windows, fugetaboutit.

    Java has this BufferedImage thing that pretty much lets you twiddle the bits of an RGB image to make any kind of graphical display you want under all of the mentioned OS's.

    You may be programming to the Windows API, I may be programming to the Windows API, but talk to your friend, your sister-in-law, and the guy down the street developing a Windows app, and they are all doing Visual Basic. You may be proficient in Qt, I may be trying to learn Qt, but talk to the people doing graphical Linux apps in Comp Sci departments, and they will all tell you Java.

    Java has a layout manager you say, true, and if you pick up NetBeans expecting it to be VB and you plunk a JButton down in the middle of a JFrame and find you can develop a nice app where a single button takes up the entire main window, well welcome to the club. Once you get over the layout manager learning curve, you will be using it like an old pro, and besides, things like wxPython are layout-manager oriented, now aren't they?

    I can see myself switching my development of scientific visualization apps from Delphi to Java, and when I have enough of my stuff running in Java I could say to myself, "Hey, I could just as well be running Linux as I am running Windows -- if I get the hang of OpenOffice or AbiWord, maybe I don't even need Windows." I don't see myself investing in the learning curve to develop for Qt or GTK, especially since I am not prepared to ditch my Windows machine and figure out how to get Qt or GTK up on Windows.

    Where are the Linux desktop apps? In a 98% Windows world it will come from people doing Windows with a cross-platform layer -- it could be Java, it could be RealBasic, it could be Python -- I really doubt it will be Qt or GTK. It may also get a boost from Longhorn/Vista and whatever new thing Microsoft is pushing and people deciding to stay with Windows but to go with one of these cross platform things rather than the Microsoft API du jour. When people have enough of these apps, people will say "Hey wait a minute, I could just as well be running Linux."

    1. Re:Java is the Visual Basic of the Linux world by galebovitz · · Score: 1

      Actually the commercial QT 4 package integrates really well with Visual Studio and Visual C++. After taking the QT 4 course, it was really easy to write windows programs without working about the complexities of the Windows APIs. The hard part for me was figuring out all of the QT 4 objects and their event and signal processing. Once I figure that out, getting apps going was very easy. It took me 4 to 6 months to get proficient with the Win32 API and a week to get good at QT programming. I don't know what it takes to get the QT runtime installed on a windows platform, but I imagine its pretty straight forward. My main point is that the market for Business apps has always driven the mass adoption of the PC technology. Getting the apps requires some strong market force to prime the pumps and get the initial popular vendors on board. After that happens the others follow suit pretty quickly. There isn't a market force like IBM or Microsoft to drive apps onto the Linux desktop. The tools exist for fast cross platform development, but there's no motivation to do so. If you write your app in QT and you discover bugs then you first have to determine whose libraries are at fault. If the bug is on the Windows platform, then you have to get either Microsoft or Trolltech to fix it or prepare a workaround. If you develop to the Windows API then you only have to deal with Microsoft. If there was a 600 pound marketing Gorilla behind QT, this may be less of a problem. Given this lack of motivation for desktop business apps on Linux, who cares whether KDE or GNOME dominates. The rest of us will still be running Windows.

  140. Re:Not So! Clarke was there first! by Lando · · Score: 1

    Weird article. It seems to have been written by an academic who just knows the facts from reading textbooks and has tried to liven them up. He doesn't mention several machines such as the TRS-100 a pocket computer with 4k of memory nor does he seem to recognize other kit computers that were available before the altair...

    And his opinions on why companies did things at the time is sorely lacking... My memory is a bit hazy but a lot of the things he says are close, but not actually correct. Heck, I remember programming on TRS Model I, II, and III's and they aren't even mentioned from what I saw of the article... So he history of the 60's 70's and 80's isn't all that good... I got bored with it and stopped reading...

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  141. Re:Microsoft sucks. by Lando · · Score: 1

    Doom came out before windows 95 and we all remember or at least know how poorly that game did....

    Seriously though, the home PC market for PC's was very large in 86 and 87 when I was working at VF associates in Maryland. We sold hundreds of systems each week, and it really started to get hectic with the 30 mB rll harddrives. The 286 was cool and we heard that there was something called the 386 we would be getting our hands on soon.... Don't make the mistake of thinking the PC market wasn't going hard... I remember a time when you put in the disk and booted the computer and games used ems?dos to run their own operating systems... Of course I had played with apples and Commodores were great, but the pc though ugly and difficult to use was used in business so we bought them for our homes. If you wanted a great system, you went with an amiga, but for the working class we bought PC's.

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  142. it happens whenever any app crashes, though by Trepidity · · Score: 1

    Since the classic OS had cooperative multitasking, any app crash brought down the system.