Honestly YES, we should scrap it and NONE would be better, until we can start over. The biggest problem we have with all this regulation at this point is there is so much of it. Nobody knows what will happen, what is in conflict etc etc.
When you have a legal code that is so complex, that corporations of any size need full time compliance people and individuals of any wealth need attorneys on retainer you legal code is long past morally bankrupt!
Not only that if they amend the bill to remove the amendment it will have to go back to the House. As it stands this morning I doubt the final bill can even get through the House. There is possibility of a Government Shutdown at this point because the Speaker has stated he will not let an temporary extension of current funding bill go to vote. Personally I'd like to see that!
I don't know how I feel about Net Neutrality being forced by government. I am pulled in multiple directions on that but I do know that I don't like an executive agency like FCC deciding to do it on their own, it should be done or not done in the legislative branch. The FCC should just enforce whatever the Congress decides. So I am for Congress preventing the FCC from acting, in the mean time.
That is not what this is at all. I am not going to deny that for a certain number of individuals this might "work out for the best". All I am saying is this is anything but voluntary. Its not as if they are saying to every student and parent on the first day of classes, you can have one of these GPS devices to help develop better habits. They are telling kids and parents who have in the schools view a problems and there certainly is an implied "or else."
It sort of like how the courts have ruled that the standard for wrongful arrest is if you felt you were not free to leave. It comes down to if these people really think they have choice, and my guess is they don't. They are almost certainly being made to feel they can comply or that things will go hard for them, ah but because there compliance is "voluntary" there need be no procedure, after all its just a suggestion.
So much for due process. What this comes down to is a bullying tactic to deny these people due process. Its threat. Accept punishment or we are going to drag you into a supposedly fair process which will all know is stacked heavily in our favor and the result no matter what you say is that you will be assigned a harsher punishment. That is the threat anyway, as to if the truancy hearing in California would be fair or not I can't say.
Yes, this is why when people bitch and moan about cuts I have no sympathy whatsoever. There is no federal government agency that should not take a SEVERE budget cut no matter what it is the WASTE that goes on is simply mind blowing.
That said since the money is already spent and at least we do have a pretty map to show for it. I do find it interesting how well covered with wired broad band solutions places like Maine actually are. It looks like the midwest is actually well served as well. It seems to be only the Western United states that is problematic. Given the geography and the population density out there I am not to surprised.
Wireless broadband seems to be pretty available just about everywhere. Honestly I don't know what everyone is so worried about with the digital divide nonsense, its nonsense. They only places without good broad band plainly don't have the population to support them. That's not a question of fairness its just reality. The people there do have options like Satellite anyway. Listening to NPR I would have expected the problem to be much worse. In fact I don't think its a problem at all now!
Its like saying it was unreasonable that railroads did not stop in every small town at the turn of the previous century. There are good things and bad things about living in a rural area, deal with it or move.
One thing a password expiry policy does do is provide some defense in depth when other measures fail.
Suppose its a smallish company, two or three IT people two or three HR folks. Normally when someone is hired, fired, or resigns HR sends the info over to IT ticking system; thats the prodedure. Now opps something unusal happens, a contractor for some other department needs an account. Jill in HR asks Harry in IT what to do about it because they don't have a process for this. Harry says no big deal Jill I will create an account, just let me know when they guy leaves.
Now Jill goes on FMLA leave because her husband was hit by truck. Joe in HR does not know that HR needs to tell Harry when Frank the contractor is finished.
If you had a password rotation policy at least at some point Franks account would get locked! Now it will be forgotten until someone does a more complete audit.
One application is expert systems specifically where lots of the knowledge is stored in narative. There are tow industries that have the problem in spades, the afformentioned legal, and the medical industry.
Medician has material going about a couple hundred years that may still be relavant and correct. Its all in books natative descriptions of observations, procedures, and know causes and effect relationships. Very little of it is written in a structured way ready to be used by machines in a diagnositc way beyound "simple" search, and going with the first Google hit when deciding what to inject your patient with is not good enough.
This is the potential progentitor of the type of technology that would allow a machine to say make a diagnosis from a problem description and suggest a treatment plan based on past experiences, with correct identification of which past experiences apply and which don't.
Its also true that if you are willing to put the time and resources into developing your own CMS you could use those same resources to add whatever features you need and spend the rest of the time auditing and hardening and Open Source solution.
There is some terrible Open Source software out there just becuase its open does not mean its secure but with little effort you could likely compile a list of open cms products with the features you need, then sort them by best security track record weighted by market share. Take the top result and get work.
Audit it, harden it, discretely report any bugs you discover and fix to the project maintainer. That is what I would have done if I worked at a security company and was given the resources requried to build a custom solution.
Right a few things are evident from what has happened so far.
1. HB Gary is run by people who are arrogant, fool hardy, and hope to seek a public rent scoring themsevels a government security contract or two when they clear have nothing of value to add.
2. HB Gary as an organization is incompetent. When computer/network security is your business and you get hacked no matter how clever the hack is its a FAIL on your part. In this case while not exactly crude Anonymous ow3n4g3 of their site was not the most sophisticated crack ever seen either. HB Gary blew it big time.
3. Anonymous is in fact more than just a bunch of script kiddies, does have some organization, and does have some people of at least some sophistication. Dismissing them as a bunch of kids is worng just like dismissing the mob as a bunch of gang bangers is worng, yes there are alot of those in the organization but there betters are doing the thinking, They do represent threat if you become their adversary.
This makes total sense, this is about storage. Dell has made some other purchases recently of storage vendors, and has a line of x86 based iscsi mid level SAN products they are seeking to push.
AMD has the right technology for that. You don't need powerful number crunching and the crunching you do need could be optimized easily in the hardware. What AMD offers is good bus and memory architectures that would serve well in those more integrated applications. I suspect this is a way for Dell to continue to leverage their existing technology while giving themselves a say in the development of the features in x86,AMD64 architecture processors and their support chips. They will use that say to get the stuff they want for storage controllers.
You are correct about many things you point out. I don't see mirroring as a problem if you need an HA environment. Frankly if you are using a shared storage cluster, be it active-active or failover you still have a single point of failure the storage. That is kinda of a deal breaker if you are looking for 5 nines.
VMWare clusters do a good job but are only really HA if you have the right kind of storage to back them up or are remotely replicating them (which is not going to give your clean failover either).
I keep seeing these SMBs buying two or three high end servers and tieing them to starter SAN solutions like MSAs, Lefthand servers etc. These do have lots of redundancy around the most common points of failure but only the disingenuous marketing robots would claim they are fully redundant.
Actually Microsoft only released it as an update to XP recently, to change the default setting. You have always been able to turn off autorun by modifying the registry directly and there have been group policy templates to do it almost as long.
If anyone wanted auto run off in an enterprise setting it was trivial to do, you just through the switch in GP or put a couple lines in the logon script if you were not using GPOs for some reasons like you were in a non domain environment or whatever.
The only persons experience being changed by that recent update is Joe Sixpack's who was not going to edit his registry. As far as anyone in industry if they had any clue how to do their job as an admin this has always been a non issue.
Nobody is saying you can't do that stuff on *NIX but its hard to do that on stand alone machines. When you are talking about shared machines or terminals where everything can be handled with NIS and home directories reside on an NFS share used by all hosts the facilities to manage user experience exist.
As soon as you start having laptops and desktops running all around the office you can't manage the settings the user is talking about anymore. Yes you can do it at deployment time. Sure you could write init scripts to go fetch and overwrite/update rc files and stuff but you'd have to do all of it yourself and it would be a security nightmare to try and get correct without putting a lot of resources into it.
GPOs make it really easy change all the CSRs home pages to the new customer service portal, and set all the sales reps wall paper to the latest product sheet instead of their embarrassing personal photos any time its needed. It also makes it possible to do things like yes your screen saver is going to turn on and the desktop will be locked after 15min, no exceptions. Sometimes that sort of thing gets required for PayCardIndustry rules and the like, and those things change every now and then.
Got a way for me to change your screen saver settings on every Ubuntu box in the company? Yes I know I can run a sed script to go into each home directory and alter the config file for whatever desktop environment is being used, I still have to find away to do it to every box.
Trust me I have been doing this for some years and this is one place where Windows gets it right, so right in fact that it in some ways justifies the use of Windows even though its otherwise a really inferior platform.
The only value though in getting the information out there is if someone sees it. Pleople know wikileaks, people watch it, if you have 100s of little leak sites out there nobody will pay any attention and your important relase may go un noticed. If you try to leak the data to multiple place you increase your expose by having to transfer sensitive data multiple times.
So while I don't think its good to have just one whistle blowing site for the whole of the WWW, to many might prove detrimental to the objective.
First off let me start by saying I reject the implicit assumption that a regressive tax is some how unjust. I don't accept that anyone should be required to contribute a larger amout of their production just because they produce more. Infact I would say progressive taxation is unjust!
A pure sales tax hower as you say could exclude basic needs,
*food purchased in a gorcery store where the number one ingredient is not water or sugar,
*real-estate or rent where the buyer or renter will use it as a primary residence,
*passenger automobiles
*fares for ground transportation services
Everthing else should be taxed at a flat rate, and yes financial instruments as well, no capital gains, you buy 50 shares of ABC for $1000 and the tax rate is 10pct you owe $100 in taxes! you owe no more taxes when you sell it even if you sell them for $10000, but who ever it is you sold them to owes $1000.
Online retails should not have to collect and pay taxes on the transaction if they are out of state. Almost every state has a use tax. That means if you buy something out of state you are suppose to declare it and pay the taxes when you file at the end of the year.
States are either seeking to double dip here and tax twice or they prersecuting these online retailers instead of prosecuting their tax cheat citizens as they should be doing! Its not an out of state companies responsiblity to enfore the law, that is like one thing government is supposed to do enforce laws.
I have to agree with you and honestly this is one case where I am not so sure I can take the side of the privacy advocates here, or the merchants.
The whole zip code thing is just kinda dumb. Firstly if someone swipes you wallet or purse chaces are pretty good they got your drivers license address and all with your card, so they know your zip.
If you lose the card some place chances are pretty good they know you zip because in most parts of the country zips are a pretty good sized geographic area. The zip on the card is either the zip it was discovered in or one of two or three near by ones.
In both cases using the zip as pin is pretty pointless its not even good security theater. As far as other face to face transactions go again I don't see the privacy issue here, sure I might be from out of town but by and large any retailer can safely assume I live near by, I don't think they lean much about me based on my zip.
Wow... just wow you are crediting Obama for finally obeying a court order his admistration argued against, tried to do an end run around, and was found in comptempt of court over fist.
Nice revisionist history there. If that is what we had done, it would be clever on our parts. We did not do that though. Our infalible president Kenedy in fact encourged the use of our domestic supply first. The poilicy persisted for the most part unil our production peaked early 70's. That's when we really started depending on middle eastern oil and we know how well that worked in the mid and late 70s.
The thing about words are it matters who is doing the talking. If someone you "respect" pays you a compliment, you probably feel validated, if they call you a "mindless git" you probably feel pretty bad about it. If someone you don't respect says either on of those things to you well you probably don't feel much of anything at all.
Most kids, yonger ones anyway resepect their teachers. They control lots of knowledge and have much more experience then the students. The students are not in much of a position to jude the merits of the teacher. In fact this is a situation where respect really is unearned it must simply be given. Teachers really are in a postion to give kids a pretty false sense of self worth and that can be over valued or under valued, both are bad.
An ISP selling "Internet Access" and providing only a NAT'ed address to their customer is in excuseable, I think we all agree on that. I don't think NAT is alway evil. Even in an IPv6 world I might still wan't to machines to say appear to be on the same subnet, that can't be physically put on the same segment for instance. Yippes you'd need to NAT twice to make that work! Is that use case evil?
I have my doubts. I don't think anyone could write a multi-user ACID storage engine in assembly an have it be faster the one a similary competent developer writes in C, C++, or even Java. That is not say there may be no gains to be had profiling and then optimizing some of the compilers asembler output here an there, but to suggest that a human developer can produce a non trivial program working only in asm which is faster than the output of a modern compiler is questionable.
Chips these days are just to complex in terms of instruction set size, pipe lines, branch prediction, out of order execution, etc.
It certainly gets sticker where you start to muck with the results of MPAA members but you could mess with the search string "mpaa", let the first few results be the mpaa home page and then a couple hits that would have come up anyway after that. Have hits 4 through as many as you can identify be groups pushing copyright reform or something, the MPAA would hate.
if you want to be really petty return the facebook profiles for children of their C-level execs, that might violate the whole do no evil thing though.
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Honestly YES, we should scrap it and NONE would be better, until we can start over. The biggest problem we have with all this regulation at this point is there is so much of it. Nobody knows what will happen, what is in conflict etc etc.
When you have a legal code that is so complex, that corporations of any size need full time compliance people and individuals of any wealth need attorneys on retainer you legal code is long past morally bankrupt!
Not only that if they amend the bill to remove the amendment it will have to go back to the House. As it stands this morning I doubt the final bill can even get through the House. There is possibility of a Government Shutdown at this point because the Speaker has stated he will not let an temporary extension of current funding bill go to vote. Personally I'd like to see that!
I don't know how I feel about Net Neutrality being forced by government. I am pulled in multiple directions on that but I do know that I don't like an executive agency like FCC deciding to do it on their own, it should be done or not done in the legislative branch. The FCC should just enforce whatever the Congress decides. So I am for Congress preventing the FCC from acting, in the mean time.
That is not what this is at all. I am not going to deny that for a certain number of individuals this might "work out for the best". All I am saying is this is anything but voluntary. Its not as if they are saying to every student and parent on the first day of classes, you can have one of these GPS devices to help develop better habits. They are telling kids and parents who have in the schools view a problems and there certainly is an implied "or else."
It sort of like how the courts have ruled that the standard for wrongful arrest is if you felt you were not free to leave. It comes down to if these people really think they have choice, and my guess is they don't. They are almost certainly being made to feel they can comply or that things will go hard for them, ah but because there compliance is "voluntary" there need be no procedure, after all its just a suggestion.
So much for due process. What this comes down to is a bullying tactic to deny these people due process. Its threat. Accept punishment or we are going to drag you into a supposedly fair process which will all know is stacked heavily in our favor and the result no matter what you say is that you will be assigned a harsher punishment. That is the threat anyway, as to if the truancy hearing in California would be fair or not I can't say.
Yes, this is why when people bitch and moan about cuts I have no sympathy whatsoever. There is no federal government agency that should not take a SEVERE budget cut no matter what it is the WASTE that goes on is simply mind blowing.
That said since the money is already spent and at least we do have a pretty map to show for it. I do find it interesting how well covered with wired broad band solutions places like Maine actually are. It looks like the midwest is actually well served as well. It seems to be only the Western United states that is problematic. Given the geography and the population density out there I am not to surprised.
Wireless broadband seems to be pretty available just about everywhere. Honestly I don't know what everyone is so worried about with the digital divide nonsense, its nonsense. They only places without good broad band plainly don't have the population to support them. That's not a question of fairness its just reality. The people there do have options like Satellite anyway. Listening to NPR I would have expected the problem to be much worse. In fact I don't think its a problem at all now!
Its like saying it was unreasonable that railroads did not stop in every small town at the turn of the previous century. There are good things and bad things about living in a rural area, deal with it or move.
One thing a password expiry policy does do is provide some defense in depth when other measures fail.
Suppose its a smallish company, two or three IT people two or three HR folks. Normally when someone is hired, fired, or resigns HR sends the info over to IT ticking system; thats the prodedure. Now opps something unusal happens, a contractor for some other department needs an account. Jill in HR asks Harry in IT what to do about it because they don't have a process for this. Harry says no big deal Jill I will create an account, just let me know when they guy leaves.
Now Jill goes on FMLA leave because her husband was hit by truck. Joe in HR does not know that HR needs to tell Harry when Frank the contractor is finished.
If you had a password rotation policy at least at some point Franks account would get locked! Now it will be forgotten until someone does a more complete audit.
One application is expert systems specifically where lots of the knowledge is stored in narative. There are tow industries that have the problem in spades, the afformentioned legal, and the medical industry.
Medician has material going about a couple hundred years that may still be relavant and correct. Its all in books natative descriptions of observations, procedures, and know causes and effect relationships. Very little of it is written in a structured way ready to be used by machines in a diagnositc way beyound "simple" search, and going with the first Google hit when deciding what to inject your patient with is not good enough.
This is the potential progentitor of the type of technology that would allow a machine to say make a diagnosis from a problem description and suggest a treatment plan based on past experiences, with correct identification of which past experiences apply and which don't.
Its also true that if you are willing to put the time and resources into developing your own CMS you could use those same resources to add whatever features you need and spend the rest of the time auditing and hardening and Open Source solution.
There is some terrible Open Source software out there just becuase its open does not mean its secure but with little effort you could likely compile a list of open cms products with the features you need, then sort them by best security track record weighted by market share. Take the top result and get work.
Audit it, harden it, discretely report any bugs you discover and fix to the project maintainer. That is what I would have done if I worked at a security company and was given the resources requried to build a custom solution.
Yea, it looks like they vandalized HB Gary's booth about as much as Joe's lawn service vandalized my home by hanging their flier on my door knob.
Right a few things are evident from what has happened so far.
1. HB Gary is run by people who are arrogant, fool hardy, and hope to seek a public rent scoring themsevels a government security contract or two when they clear have nothing of value to add.
2. HB Gary as an organization is incompetent. When computer/network security is your business and you get hacked no matter how clever the hack is its a FAIL on your part. In this case while not exactly crude Anonymous ow3n4g3 of their site was not the most sophisticated crack ever seen either. HB Gary blew it big time.
3. Anonymous is in fact more than just a bunch of script kiddies, does have some organization, and does have some people of at least some sophistication. Dismissing them as a bunch of kids is worng just like dismissing the mob as a bunch of gang bangers is worng, yes there are alot of those in the organization but there betters are doing the thinking, They do represent threat if you become their adversary.
This makes total sense, this is about storage. Dell has made some other purchases recently of storage vendors, and has a line of x86 based iscsi mid level SAN products they are seeking to push.
AMD has the right technology for that. You don't need powerful number crunching and the crunching you do need could be optimized easily in the hardware. What AMD offers is good bus and memory architectures that would serve well in those more integrated applications. I suspect this is a way for Dell to continue to leverage their existing technology while giving themselves a say in the development of the features in x86,AMD64 architecture processors and their support chips. They will use that say to get the stuff they want for storage controllers.
Right its a crontab entry, fine easy. Now change the value on all systems a to something else a year later. Ahh not so easy now is it.
You are correct about many things you point out. I don't see mirroring as a problem if you need an HA environment. Frankly if you are using a shared storage cluster, be it active-active or failover you still have a single point of failure the storage. That is kinda of a deal breaker if you are looking for 5 nines.
VMWare clusters do a good job but are only really HA if you have the right kind of storage to back them up or are remotely replicating them (which is not going to give your clean failover either).
I keep seeing these SMBs buying two or three high end servers and tieing them to starter SAN solutions like MSAs, Lefthand servers etc. These do have lots of redundancy around the most common points of failure but only the disingenuous marketing robots would claim they are fully redundant.
Actually Microsoft only released it as an update to XP recently, to change the default setting. You have always been able to turn off autorun by modifying the registry directly and there have been group policy templates to do it almost as long.
If anyone wanted auto run off in an enterprise setting it was trivial to do, you just through the switch in GP or put a couple lines in the logon script if you were not using GPOs for some reasons like you were in a non domain environment or whatever.
The only persons experience being changed by that recent update is Joe Sixpack's who was not going to edit his registry. As far as anyone in industry if they had any clue how to do their job as an admin this has always been a non issue.
Nobody is saying you can't do that stuff on *NIX but its hard to do that on stand alone machines. When you are talking about shared machines or terminals where everything can be handled with NIS and home directories reside on an NFS share used by all hosts the facilities to manage user experience exist.
As soon as you start having laptops and desktops running all around the office you can't manage the settings the user is talking about anymore. Yes you can do it at deployment time. Sure you could write init scripts to go fetch and overwrite/update rc files and stuff but you'd have to do all of it yourself and it would be a security nightmare to try and get correct without putting a lot of resources into it.
GPOs make it really easy change all the CSRs home pages to the new customer service portal, and set all the sales reps wall paper to the latest product sheet instead of their embarrassing personal photos any time its needed. It also makes it possible to do things like yes your screen saver is going to turn on and the desktop will be locked after 15min, no exceptions. Sometimes that sort of thing gets required for PayCardIndustry rules and the like, and those things change every now and then.
Got a way for me to change your screen saver settings on every Ubuntu box in the company? Yes I know I can run a sed script to go into each home directory and alter the config file for whatever desktop environment is being used, I still have to find away to do it to every box.
Trust me I have been doing this for some years and this is one place where Windows gets it right, so right in fact that it in some ways justifies the use of Windows even though its otherwise a really inferior platform.
The only value though in getting the information out there is if someone sees it. Pleople know wikileaks, people watch it, if you have 100s of little leak sites out there nobody will pay any attention and your important relase may go un noticed. If you try to leak the data to multiple place you increase your expose by having to transfer sensitive data multiple times.
So while I don't think its good to have just one whistle blowing site for the whole of the WWW, to many might prove detrimental to the objective.
First off let me start by saying I reject the implicit assumption that a regressive tax is some how unjust. I don't accept that anyone should be required to contribute a larger amout of their production just because they produce more. Infact I would say progressive taxation is unjust!
A pure sales tax hower as you say could exclude basic needs,
*food purchased in a gorcery store where the number one ingredient is not water or sugar,
*real-estate or rent where the buyer or renter will use it as a primary residence,
*passenger automobiles
*fares for ground transportation services
Everthing else should be taxed at a flat rate, and yes financial instruments as well, no capital gains, you buy 50 shares of ABC for $1000 and the tax rate is 10pct you owe $100 in taxes! you owe no more taxes when you sell it even if you sell them for $10000, but who ever it is you sold them to owes $1000.
Online retails should not have to collect and pay taxes on the transaction if they are out of state. Almost every state has a use tax. That means if you buy something out of state you are suppose to declare it and pay the taxes when you file at the end of the year.
States are either seeking to double dip here and tax twice or they prersecuting these online retailers instead of prosecuting their tax cheat citizens as they should be doing! Its not an out of state companies responsiblity to enfore the law, that is like one thing government is supposed to do enforce laws.
I have to agree with you and honestly this is one case where I am not so sure I can take the side of the privacy advocates here, or the merchants.
The whole zip code thing is just kinda dumb. Firstly if someone swipes you wallet or purse chaces are pretty good they got your drivers license address and all with your card, so they know your zip.
If you lose the card some place chances are pretty good they know you zip because in most parts of the country zips are a pretty good sized geographic area. The zip on the card is either the zip it was discovered in or one of two or three near by ones.
In both cases using the zip as pin is pretty pointless its not even good security theater. As far as other face to face transactions go again I don't see the privacy issue here, sure I might be from out of town but by and large any retailer can safely assume I live near by, I don't think they lean much about me based on my zip.
Wow... just wow you are crediting Obama for finally obeying a court order his admistration argued against, tried to do an end run around, and was found in comptempt of court over fist.
Your standards are really low.
Nice revisionist history there. If that is what we had done, it would be clever on our parts. We did not do that though. Our infalible president Kenedy in fact encourged the use of our domestic supply first. The poilicy persisted for the most part unil our production peaked early 70's. That's when we really started depending on middle eastern oil and we know how well that worked in the mid and late 70s.
The thing about words are it matters who is doing the talking. If someone you "respect" pays you a compliment, you probably feel validated, if they call you a "mindless git" you probably feel pretty bad about it. If someone you don't respect says either on of those things to you well you probably don't feel much of anything at all.
Most kids, yonger ones anyway resepect their teachers. They control lots of knowledge and have much more experience then the students. The students are not in much of a position to jude the merits of the teacher. In fact this is a situation where respect really is unearned it must simply be given.
Teachers really are in a postion to give kids a pretty false sense of self worth and that can be over valued or under valued, both are bad.
An ISP selling "Internet Access" and providing only a NAT'ed address to their customer is in excuseable, I think we all agree on that. I don't think NAT is alway evil. Even in an IPv6 world I might still wan't to machines to say appear to be on the same subnet, that can't be physically put on the same segment for instance. Yippes you'd need to NAT twice to make that work! Is that use case evil?
I have my doubts. I don't think anyone could write a multi-user ACID storage engine in assembly an have it be faster the one a similary competent developer writes in C, C++, or even Java. That is not say there may be no gains to be had profiling and then optimizing some of the compilers asembler output here an there, but to suggest that a human developer can produce a non trivial program working only in asm which is faster than the output of a modern compiler is questionable.
Chips these days are just to complex in terms of instruction set size, pipe lines, branch prediction, out of order execution, etc.
It certainly gets sticker where you start to muck with the results of MPAA members but you could mess with the search string "mpaa", let the first few results be the mpaa home page and then a couple hits that would have come up anyway after that. Have hits 4 through as many as you can identify be groups pushing copyright reform or something, the MPAA would hate.
if you want to be really petty return the facebook profiles for children of their C-level execs, that might violate the whole do no evil thing though.