It's time we stopped referring to them as creationist and start calling them what they really are: evolution deniers.
Why logical people buy into the Evolution vs Science mess that was created buy the conservative christians always amazes me. By definition every Catholic is both a creationist and believes in evolution. Mods come sling your arrows, for I have heresied in your hallowed halls.
My response was about predestination. It is hardly argumentum ad hominem if the person doesn't occupy the same space that is being discussed. Does saying "she is only a child" count as argumentum ad hominem for you when a 5 year old says "balloons fly because they are full of love"?
Read the great-grandparent and it's siblings. All of the arguments fall flat because they *all* assume man has no free will and assume predestination.
Using a 300 BCE quote from someone that also didn't believe in free will is bullshit too. That the grandparent reached back that far is crap. I can quote Aristotle about creatio ex nihilo, does that make it right somehow?
Damn, I can't think of anything to refute this. I know, I'll use an ad hominem and mouth off
Next time try to add something to the conversation. I asked if a 2300 year old quote was relevant, not to "win".
Wanna fire that "bad" teacher for teaching evolution? Great, make it easier to do so. I agree there are bad teachers, but the fact that you don't like them doesn't necessarily mean they are indeed bad teachers.
It also says that, if you revoke your implied consent by refusing a breath test, you automatically lose your license as an administrative matter between you and the department of transportation. Even if you are acquitted of the DUI, you have to take the DOT to court to get your license back, because you broke your agreement in getting it.
Guilty until proven innocent.
It is the same (or worse) here in MN.
I will not believe that you can sign away your constitutional rights. They may try to push you to believe it, but no, you can't do it.
Yes really. Which part has you amiss? The part where I make a seasoned comment against a bigot or the part where I respond to a bigot that has an agenda? Your non-belief is fine in my book, that is totally up to you. Kudos for you, and I really mean it. I responded to the GGP about ascribing this topic to religion at all and was attacked for it, Lay the blame at the foot of the person who attacked me, don't blame the victim (though as it is the interwebs calling myself a victim really sticks in my throat) Here is a bit -
"Religions are false (easy to prove " Yeah, I totally brought that on myself. I mean look at what he was responding to. No really, go look. Which of us started this? Who really brought religion into this mess?
And yeah, religious wars are ridiculous. But if cant see that Neo-Atheism has all the hallmarks of the new Wotanism You might want to look harder.
And just for references sake I have read everything that Dawkins has written, and listened to many interviews with him. the guy is a fantastic speaker, and I agree with him in so many ways.It honestly saddens me that I have missed every lecture of his when he has been in town.
Religions are false (easy to prove since there are many of them and they contradict themselves), so anything 'anti-religion' stands a good chance of being true. In short.
Yeah, the Scientific Method called. It wants you to understand what proof is. This is ancient news, well debated and understood. You cannot prove or disprove God. Your angst about religion not withstanding.
Wrong again. On 7 segment LEDs (used for digits), you can make more lower-case than upper-case chars: b or d but not B=8 or D=0. If you extend them with diagonals, you can still make more lower-case.
Do you have my calculator? Where did I ever say it had 7 segment LEDs? Save your self righteous "Wrong again" for yourself. In fact go to a mirror and say it now.
And I will tell you to stop posting ignorant information if you don't want us to conflate religion and ignorance.
By all means. Do educate me on where my original post was ignorant. Of course, You seem to want to invent dialog for me, so by all means, make shit up.
Certainly: when we have to look in a history book to see what religion was.
Good luck with that. Neither you nor I will be on this earth to see it. One of us though believes that we will get to watch it from afar though.
Not to be a jerk - But I bet your degree and every study you can cite post date the use of typography in computing. I am sure you are right, but when computers were pushing out very small amounts of text that text was *damn* important. The grandparent is full of it, given the environment of early computing caps made more sense; It had nothing to do with religion. As a side note however if the only output I expect is very small amount of text I want it capitalized.
All you have to do is look at LEDs to see why caps were used. I have an ancient Control Data Calculator that can easily show you why caps are used.
I will go one step further and tell you your post makes you look like a bigot. Every quirk in the world is not the fault of religion, get over it already.
And I love your games. btw if I could make a request, what about a geeky shell "screen saver"? I stink at bash - but it can be run full screen. I would be willing to help anyway I can. myname@yahoo.com:)
And your comment is useless and adds nothing to the conversation.
Try this then.
I can halt untold misery, but it will be 5k and a prize, a year from now. Until then, tough. Sitting on a OS owning weakness so you can collect a prize is asshattery of the first order.
Please. If he was running a hole patching company I might agree. He is pretty much doing it for the bragging rights. 5K for a total pwn of MacOS? What do you think the black market would pay for such a thing?
It tells me that your IT people are forward thinking. Imagine if 7 was the dog that Vista is. You need exactly the kind of machine they are handing out to run Vista at an acceptable level, even for Word. We did the same here.
Try this then - I have the cure for Cancer (all of it), but I will only take the bounty for each one. How much will you give me for breast cancer? Oh and BTW I set my own price.
Tom, oddly enough I had been considering a bag from you. You sealed the deal by having the intestinal fortitude to post back on slashdot. My purchase is slatted for May... I will be a happy bihner I am sure.
I don't really care to wade into the abortion-debate muck, particularly as abortion has nothing to do with the stem cells we're talking about. Those are obtained from fertility clinics, and created by people who are SO "pro-life" that they leave plenty of discarded excess life behind in the freezer.
Abortion has everything to do with it. Who do you think apposes stem cell research the strongest? You also know nothing about how embryonic stem cells come into being.
So no, they aren't digging them out of the freezer.
The last administration refused to SUBSIDIZE it, and that's all. Researchers have been under no restriction whatsoever to do any of this research, as long as they're not sucking off the taxpayer teat for their funds.
However, what frustrates me to a greater degree is this myth that because you don't like it we cant spend any money on it. I mean why spend money on something that will makes peoples lives better when we can go blow up brown people instead right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, they are spending *your* money, how dare they.
However, are we REALLY so drunk on "stimulus" spending for everything under the sun these days, that refusing to subsidize a particular item means that item is actively "restricted"?
Nice Obama dig there. And yeah, it is a ban, a cowards ban. Science is damn expensive. Not funding it is the same as banning it. If an administration didn't want to unlock the universe not funding a super collider would be the same as banning it. We are already losing our edge in stem cell research to places like China. We could make an entire economy off of this, but no spending taxes on basic research is bad.
Who modded this Neocon talking point to +5 Insightful?
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Why logical people buy into the Evolution vs Science mess that was created buy the conservative christians always amazes me. By definition every Catholic is both a creationist and believes in evolution. Mods come sling your arrows, for I have heresied in your hallowed halls.
My response was about predestination. It is hardly argumentum ad hominem if the person doesn't occupy the same space that is being discussed. Does saying "she is only a child" count as argumentum ad hominem for you when a 5 year old says "balloons fly because they are full of love"?
Read the great-grandparent and it's siblings. All of the arguments fall flat because they *all* assume man has no free will and assume predestination.
Using a 300 BCE quote from someone that also didn't believe in free will is bullshit too. That the grandparent reached back that far is crap. I can quote Aristotle about creatio ex nihilo, does that make it right somehow?
Next time try to add something to the conversation. I asked if a 2300 year old quote was relevant, not to "win".
A quote form a Greek, that believed in the predestination of Hellenic Gods. A 300 BCE quote really?
I guarantee that any road kill will develop maggots. Therefor life spontaneously arises.
This isn't science, this is fixing a horse race.
Education is not a democracy.
OK, I don't get it. Are you against the TARP money or against having strings attached to it?
For this and all your other war chest needs, bank in Switzerland. Holder of Jewish gold and art to this very day.
Wanna fire that "bad" teacher for teaching evolution? Great, make it easier to do so. I agree there are bad teachers, but the fact that you don't like them doesn't necessarily mean they are indeed bad teachers.
Guilty until proven innocent.
It is the same (or worse) here in MN.
I will not believe that you can sign away your constitutional rights. They may try to push you to believe it, but no, you can't do it.
If I adopt my slashdot number do I get extra nerd points?
Wow, the mafia can think of names for *everybody*.
Yes really. Which part has you amiss? The part where I make a seasoned comment against a bigot or the part where I respond to a bigot that has an agenda? Your non-belief is fine in my book, that is totally up to you. Kudos for you, and I really mean it. I responded to the GGP about ascribing this topic to religion at all and was attacked for it, Lay the blame at the foot of the person who attacked me, don't blame the victim (though as it is the interwebs calling myself a victim really sticks in my throat) Here is a bit -
"Religions are false (easy to prove " Yeah, I totally brought that on myself. I mean look at what he was responding to. No really, go look. Which of us started this? Who really brought religion into this mess?
And yeah, religious wars are ridiculous. But if cant see that Neo-Atheism has all the hallmarks of the new Wotanism You might want to look harder.
And just for references sake I have read everything that Dawkins has written, and listened to many interviews with him. the guy is a fantastic speaker, and I agree with him in so many ways.It honestly saddens me that I have missed every lecture of his when he has been in town.
Yeah, the Scientific Method called. It wants you to understand what proof is. This is ancient news, well debated and understood. You cannot prove or disprove God. Your angst about religion not withstanding.
Do you have my calculator? Where did I ever say it had 7 segment LEDs? Save your self righteous "Wrong again" for yourself. In fact go to a mirror and say it now.
By all means. Do educate me on where my original post was ignorant. Of course, You seem to want to invent dialog for me, so by all means, make shit up.
Good luck with that. Neither you nor I will be on this earth to see it. One of us though believes that we will get to watch it from afar though.
Not to be a jerk - But I bet your degree and every study you can cite post date the use of typography in computing. I am sure you are right, but when computers were pushing out very small amounts of text that text was *damn* important. The grandparent is full of it, given the environment of early computing caps made more sense; It had nothing to do with religion. As a side note however if the only output I expect is very small amount of text I want it capitalized.
It is anti-religion so it must be true.
All you have to do is look at LEDs to see why caps were used. I have an ancient Control Data Calculator that can easily show you why caps are used.
I will go one step further and tell you your post makes you look like a bigot. Every quirk in the world is not the fault of religion, get over it already.
But you know, even if you are right, being an asshole still shines through. You always have to consider the messenger.
You are exactly right
:)
And I love your games. btw if I could make a request, what about a geeky shell "screen saver"? I stink at bash - but it can be run full screen. I would be willing to help anyway I can. myname@yahoo.com
And your comment is useless and adds nothing to the conversation.
Try this then.
I can halt untold misery, but it will be 5k and a prize, a year from now. Until then, tough. Sitting on a OS owning weakness so you can collect a prize is asshattery of the first order.
Please. If he was running a hole patching company I might agree. He is pretty much doing it for the bragging rights. 5K for a total pwn of MacOS? What do you think the black market would pay for such a thing?
It tells me that your IT people are forward thinking. Imagine if 7 was the dog that Vista is. You need exactly the kind of machine they are handing out to run Vista at an acceptable level, even for Word. We did the same here.
Really?
Try this then - I have the cure for Cancer (all of it), but I will only take the bounty for each one. How much will you give me for breast cancer? Oh and BTW I set my own price.
This guy is the Pharma of computers.
Tom, oddly enough I had been considering a bag from you. You sealed the deal by having the intestinal fortitude to post back on slashdot. My purchase is slatted for May ... I will be a happy bihner I am sure.
...and yet people swallow gun violence the same way....
hmmm ... do you need a Codex then?
Abortion has everything to do with it. Who do you think apposes stem cell research the strongest? You also know nothing about how embryonic stem cells come into being.
"The U.S. National Institutes of Health currently lists only 21 lines that are available for distribution to researchers." --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stem_cell_line
So no, they aren't digging them out of the freezer.
However, what frustrates me to a greater degree is this myth that because you don't like it we cant spend any money on it. I mean why spend money on something that will makes peoples lives better when we can go blow up brown people instead right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, they are spending *your* money, how dare they.
Nice Obama dig there. And yeah, it is a ban, a cowards ban. Science is damn expensive. Not funding it is the same as banning it. If an administration didn't want to unlock the universe not funding a super collider would be the same as banning it. We are already losing our edge in stem cell research to places like China. We could make an entire economy off of this, but no spending taxes on basic research is bad.
Who modded this Neocon talking point to +5 Insightful?