In 98 you could turn move the swap file out the the Windows folder and then do a complete backup and restore of the OS by just copying and pasting the Windows folder. ie) a bootable cd with a batch file can completely restore 98 with extra app. Try that with NT/2k/XP.
What if you admin a 100 seat engineering office running CAD? Our CAD software costs $15000 per seat, and $250/month/set for support. Its all we have the computers for. The salaries of the users are major $$ and we like to keep them going. Let along that late product designs cost our company millions.
Guess what? Our CAD program is not certified with SP2. That means, we can't call for support if we install SP2. Who wins, MS or CAD? CAD.
Heck, we used to run in a HPUX environment with no internet connection, just fine. Now a Windows version of the CAD program comes out, and its all the rage, and its no longer stable, secure, or supported. What a failed experiment Windows has been.
Truth is, since this CAD program came from Unix, we are just waiting for the linux version to appear. Better than going back to the old days of no internet.
On my home PC, SP2 installed fine, and I did not notice any problems at all. Except I have an H: drive now--apparently a new DVD device. SP2 is a great upgrade. You get a free DVD player! Maybe its a internet DVD scheme or something? I think it is so I can email Blockbuster and they mount a ISO on my new virtual DVD player. Wicked.I hope I can get it working with Wine too.
I honestly couldn't get apt-cache to work. Maybe because I was putting a * on the end of the search string. "apt-cache thunderbird" does nothing for me. I'll keep trying. Shoot, now I want to do a reinstall and only use apt-get. Grrr. Good thing its so quick, and I've not got anything to loose yet.
Yeah, thanks. I tried redoing what got nvidia 3d running and no go. Maybe I didn't use apt-get or something. It will be nice when I know how packages are tracked, and what ways are compatible with each other. Maybe a tutorial for windows converts should be included for packages. Like are Synaptic and apt-get the same thing? Got me. What about dbpk -i asdf.deb (command spelled wrong)?
Good point. My problem is knowing what the packages are called. I tried apt-get install mozilla-thunderbird and didn't think of just thunderbird. The ubuntu pages that show.deb files should maybe go away then perhaps.
I googled for "ubunto apt-get listing" etc till I was blue and nothing.:-)
Here is more about my Ubuntu linux newbie experience
- I let it install SmartBootManager (SBM) to the master boot record. I then edited the config file, and ran the update program to edit the default choice and time. (for the 5 year old and wife)
- so now I have two manues coming up. First: linux/windows, and then win98/xp.
- I had put a icon to wolf3d on the panel. I accidently double-clicked it, and it ran twice, and locked up the computer. Then what do you do? The Win95 key on the keyboard does nothing. Ctrl-C, shift-ctrl-l, ctrl-alt-del, Esc do nothing. All I could do was reboot, and then wait for the fschk.
- getting rid of the brown theme was very important to me. And the flash of brown background too, while it logs in. That colour is set not in Themes, but in Login options.
- you have to check off "allow root gui login" and goto User/Groups and checkoff see all users, and then change roots password if you want to login as root. Why would you need that with the Ubuntu suso system? Because, I'll tell you why. My old 29" IBM monitor is too blurry in 1280, but clear in 1024. If I click Applications, Screen Resolution, and set it to 1024, then guess what, it keeps reverting to 1280 everytime I login. UNLESS I LOGIN AS ROOT TO GUI AND SET IT TO 1024. Then other account gets 1024 as default. Bug, yes, but that is why.
Oh yeah, even with the fsck wait if you reboot abruptly, you are still miles ahead of if you were using windows. Because you don't have the windows time killers that take its place.
I installed Ubuntu (Hoary) on my main computer this weekend. It is my first attempt at linux in over a year. BTW, I was a HPUX sys admin for an engineering office for 5 years and so have lots of unix know how...
My PC was dual booting win98 2nd edition, and winxp sp2. I have two hardrives: a 30 GB with C: (fat32) and D: (fat32), and a 120 GB with G: (fat32), H: (fat32), and I: (60GB). Win98 was installed to C:, and winxp to D:, but I had xp's apps installed also to C: and I:.
I had installed xp, from within 98, and said not to upgrade, and allow me to specifiy where, so I had a boot menu saying 1) win98 or 2) winxp.
First, I went into xp control panel, admin utilities, computer stuff, hardrives and deleted the H: partition so that it became Free Space. (very important step, if you want xp to be happy, as opposed to just letting linux delete the partition)
Then I put the Ubuntu cd in, and rebooted to my bios and told it to boot from my cd drive. It did, and I went through the install routine. It saw my disks, and the free space, and I created my required linux partitions. (1GB logical swap space at end of the free space, and a primary linux ext2 filesystem with the rest of the free space). It then finished in about 15 mins and rebooted into Ubuntu.
Everything worked perfect. I was on the net, my Pentax camera icon appeared when I hot-plugged it into USB. I had a Hercules GF3 nvidia vid card, so of course it did not do 3D yet, but it was running 2D nicely. I had to run two commands and it configured itself to do 3D. I tested it with id Software's free huge game Wolfenstien Enemy Territory 2.60, and it was better than in Winxp. The frame rate seems higher, and my ping is way better. Next I tried the Gaim messenger program, that Ubuntu installed. I typed in my ICQ number and password, and *ding* there were my buddies both on and offline. Next I tried Evolution, nice but to slow to load, so: www.google.com-->"ubunto thunderbird" and then downloaded a.deb file and installed it from the command line, and its really nice.
For me, I am done. I was lucky to be in a state where my main game was available on linux, so I went for it, and boy am I happy. Sure my 5 year old will still boot to winxp for his 50 games, and my wife for her game, but if I happen to get wine running, then that will stop.
Overall, here are my ending thoughts:
- I love it
- I used Symantic Package manager to auto upgrade everything and then wolf stopped working.
- I gotta learn how to back it all up so I can experiment
- I'm converted.
- It rox
- Gnome is nice. I'll try KDE too, but I did a year ago, and not see any reason to worry, its not like the debian packages aren't smart enough to install dependant stuff if required. ie) I installed a cd burn program, and it needed KDE resourses, and they were installed automatically.
- I tried debian last week, and could not get it to gui no matter what install options I picked, but am glad that forced me into Ubuntu.
- Mepis and Kubuntu sound cool too...
- I think people who complain about GIMP are too used to Windows. It behaves like old Unix Motif/CDE programs.
GRIN! This is so ready for the desktop. I'm doing grampa, and gushing about it to my engineering, and gaming friends and they are all like: "oh good, show me how, I can't stand trying to run pirated windows these days"
Hint:
if you name some files like
file.20050406
file.20050407
file.20050408
Then when you sort them by name, they also sort by date.:-)
Here at MotorCoachInd, we use 07AP05 format. It does't sort, but you know what it means for sure.
About a week ago, Google News started bugging out form my Firefox. The top of the page is displayed wrong, and the bar at the right stretches to the whole page.:-) haha google.
Wow, sorry to hear this news. Watching from Canada, it's sad, scary and funny. Nice how the USSA and former USSR have the same lack of privacy with total different governemt structures. And how democracy doesn't help... or we will find that out after the presidential election I guess.
I vote that Canada joins the EU!!
All I can say it is going to take a long time for the USA to get any respect from the world. I think maybe the US government should just ban the media already, so they can do their dirty work in private. God bless France and Canada
I once didn't notice the a 2nd drive in a raid array turn its yellow light on. The users lost their days work, and I spent a long weekend camping in the server room changing dlt tapes. And I made an extra $3000 OT for my experience.
Newsflash: The companies doing outsourcing (be it production of goods, or programming) can sell their product outside the US once the US economy has been shipped over seas as well. The only way this cylcle can end is if the workers world-wide make the same wages and have the same skills. To see where this is headed, just figure out what the world average salary is and get used to it.
Neither will Dell! I ordered 10 Dells with the highest level of support (3 years ago when they were still reputable) and when a 3D Labs vid card broke a fan, they sent a consultant in to install a whole different brand of card. Boy was I pissed, but could not fight it.
I just commented to my pal who worked at shaw cable ISP, that dsl had an advantage now because of dynamic ips. He said "mac address never changes and they can get that info no matter how many ip's u switch"
Yikes.
What if you use DSL and get a new IP everyday? My pal has that and sure he hates it for gaming, but would it be resonable doubt against RIAA lawsuits? Does anyone here think or know if internet providers track who had which IP everytime they come online? That would be quite a massive database...
Hey I just thought of something else: no more Sony electronics for me anymore. Shoot, I liked their stuff. Bad enough I can't buy cd's from Sony Music, BMG, Virgin, Interscope, Atlantic, Warner Brothers, and Arista anymore.:-(
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In 98 you could turn move the swap file out the the Windows folder and then do a complete backup and restore of the OS by just copying and pasting the Windows folder. ie) a bootable cd with a batch file can completely restore 98 with extra app. Try that with NT/2k/XP.
What if you admin a 100 seat engineering office running CAD? Our CAD software costs $15000 per seat, and $250/month/set for support. Its all we have the computers for. The salaries of the users are major $$ and we like to keep them going. Let along that late product designs cost our company millions. Guess what? Our CAD program is not certified with SP2. That means, we can't call for support if we install SP2. Who wins, MS or CAD? CAD. Heck, we used to run in a HPUX environment with no internet connection, just fine. Now a Windows version of the CAD program comes out, and its all the rage, and its no longer stable, secure, or supported. What a failed experiment Windows has been. Truth is, since this CAD program came from Unix, we are just waiting for the linux version to appear. Better than going back to the old days of no internet.
On my home PC, SP2 installed fine, and I did not notice any problems at all. Except I have an H: drive now--apparently a new DVD device. SP2 is a great upgrade. You get a free DVD player! Maybe its a internet DVD scheme or something? I think it is so I can email Blockbuster and they mount a ISO on my new virtual DVD player. Wicked.I hope I can get it working with Wine too.
I honestly couldn't get apt-cache to work. Maybe because I was putting a * on the end of the search string. "apt-cache thunderbird" does nothing for me. I'll keep trying. Shoot, now I want to do a reinstall and only use apt-get. Grrr. Good thing its so quick, and I've not got anything to loose yet.
Yeah, thanks. I tried redoing what got nvidia 3d running and no go. Maybe I didn't use apt-get or something. It will be nice when I know how packages are tracked, and what ways are compatible with each other. Maybe a tutorial for windows converts should be included for packages. Like are Synaptic and apt-get the same thing? Got me. What about dbpk -i asdf.deb (command spelled wrong)?
I googled for "ubunto apt-get listing" etc till I was blue and nothing. :-)
- I let it install SmartBootManager (SBM) to the master boot record. I then edited the config file, and ran the update program to edit the default choice and time. (for the 5 year old and wife)
- so now I have two manues coming up. First: linux/windows, and then win98/xp.
- I had put a icon to wolf3d on the panel. I accidently double-clicked it, and it ran twice, and locked up the computer. Then what do you do? The Win95 key on the keyboard does nothing. Ctrl-C, shift-ctrl-l, ctrl-alt-del, Esc do nothing. All I could do was reboot, and then wait for the fschk.
- getting rid of the brown theme was very important to me. And the flash of brown background too, while it logs in. That colour is set not in Themes, but in Login options.
- you have to check off "allow root gui login" and goto User/Groups and checkoff see all users, and then change roots password if you want to login as root. Why would you need that with the Ubuntu suso system? Because, I'll tell you why. My old 29" IBM monitor is too blurry in 1280, but clear in 1024. If I click Applications, Screen Resolution, and set it to 1024, then guess what, it keeps reverting to 1280 everytime I login. UNLESS I LOGIN AS ROOT TO GUI AND SET IT TO 1024. Then other account gets 1024 as default. Bug, yes, but that is why.
Oh yeah, even with the fsck wait if you reboot abruptly, you are still miles ahead of if you were using windows. Because you don't have the windows time killers that take its place.
My PC was dual booting win98 2nd edition, and winxp sp2. I have two hardrives: a 30 GB with C: (fat32) and D: (fat32), and a 120 GB with G: (fat32), H: (fat32), and I: (60GB). Win98 was installed to C:, and winxp to D:, but I had xp's apps installed also to C: and I:.
I had installed xp, from within 98, and said not to upgrade, and allow me to specifiy where, so I had a boot menu saying 1) win98 or 2) winxp.
First, I went into xp control panel, admin utilities, computer stuff, hardrives and deleted the H: partition so that it became Free Space. (very important step, if you want xp to be happy, as opposed to just letting linux delete the partition)
Then I put the Ubuntu cd in, and rebooted to my bios and told it to boot from my cd drive. It did, and I went through the install routine. It saw my disks, and the free space, and I created my required linux partitions. (1GB logical swap space at end of the free space, and a primary linux ext2 filesystem with the rest of the free space). It then finished in about 15 mins and rebooted into Ubuntu.
Everything worked perfect. I was on the net, my Pentax camera icon appeared when I hot-plugged it into USB. I had a Hercules GF3 nvidia vid card, so of course it did not do 3D yet, but it was running 2D nicely. I had to run two commands and it configured itself to do 3D. I tested it with id Software's free huge game Wolfenstien Enemy Territory 2.60, and it was better than in Winxp. The frame rate seems higher, and my ping is way better. Next I tried the Gaim messenger program, that Ubuntu installed. I typed in my ICQ number and password, and *ding* there were my buddies both on and offline. Next I tried Evolution, nice but to slow to load, so: www.google.com-->"ubunto thunderbird" and then downloaded a .deb file and installed it from the command line, and its really nice.
For me, I am done. I was lucky to be in a state where my main game was available on linux, so I went for it, and boy am I happy. Sure my 5 year old will still boot to winxp for his 50 games, and my wife for her game, but if I happen to get wine running, then that will stop.
Overall, here are my ending thoughts:
- I love it - I used Symantic Package manager to auto upgrade everything and then wolf stopped working. - I gotta learn how to back it all up so I can experiment - I'm converted. - It rox - Gnome is nice. I'll try KDE too, but I did a year ago, and not see any reason to worry, its not like the debian packages aren't smart enough to install dependant stuff if required. ie) I installed a cd burn program, and it needed KDE resourses, and they were installed automatically. - I tried debian last week, and could not get it to gui no matter what install options I picked, but am glad that forced me into Ubuntu. - Mepis and Kubuntu sound cool too... - I think people who complain about GIMP are too used to Windows. It behaves like old Unix Motif/CDE programs.
GRIN! This is so ready for the desktop. I'm doing grampa, and gushing about it to my engineering, and gaming friends and they are all like: "oh good, show me how, I can't stand trying to run pirated windows these days"
Hint: if you name some files like file.20050406 file.20050407 file.20050408 Then when you sort them by name, they also sort by date. :-)
Here at MotorCoachInd, we use 07AP05 format. It does't sort, but you know what it means for sure.
... a phone call or knock on the door saying something bogus will confirm that the house sitter is there or not.
Just click Start-->Log Off-->Switch User then do whatever, and either leave it running or really Log Off.
About a week ago, Google News started bugging out form my Firefox. The top of the page is displayed wrong, and the bar at the right stretches to the whole page. :-) haha google.
Wow, sorry to hear this news. Watching from Canada, it's sad, scary and funny. Nice how the USSA and former USSR have the same lack of privacy with total different governemt structures. And how democracy doesn't help... or we will find that out after the presidential election I guess. I vote that Canada joins the EU!!
I had a root canal when I was 12. I'm 36 now, and it is still fine. Its not black, just a shade or two darker than the rest.
I vote that MS is going to try to embrace, extend, and exterminate anything it can rather than be of help.
All I can say it is going to take a long time for the USA to get any respect from the world. I think maybe the US government should just ban the media already, so they can do their dirty work in private. God bless France and Canada
I once didn't notice the a 2nd drive in a raid array turn its yellow light on. The users lost their days work, and I spent a long weekend camping in the server room changing dlt tapes. And I made an extra $3000 OT for my experience.
CEO decision: do I move to the middle east and save my company some cash if I'm lucky, or do I keep living in California.
Newsflash: The companies doing outsourcing (be it production of goods, or programming) can sell their product outside the US once the US economy has been shipped over seas as well. The only way this cylcle can end is if the workers world-wide make the same wages and have the same skills. To see where this is headed, just figure out what the world average salary is and get used to it.
Neither will Dell! I ordered 10 Dells with the highest level of support (3 years ago when they were still reputable) and when a 3D Labs vid card broke a fan, they sent a consultant in to install a whole different brand of card. Boy was I pissed, but could not fight it.
Its the school that should then be sued by the parents. Not the cops, they are good for society, and kicking ass is their job, say what you want.
"not at all, we're having a baseball game."
I just commented to my pal who worked at shaw cable ISP, that dsl had an advantage now because of dynamic ips. He said "mac address never changes and they can get that info no matter how many ip's u switch" Yikes.
What if you use DSL and get a new IP everyday? My pal has that and sure he hates it for gaming, but would it be resonable doubt against RIAA lawsuits? Does anyone here think or know if internet providers track who had which IP everytime they come online? That would be quite a massive database... Hey I just thought of something else: no more Sony electronics for me anymore. Shoot, I liked their stuff. Bad enough I can't buy cd's from Sony Music, BMG, Virgin, Interscope, Atlantic, Warner Brothers, and Arista anymore. :-(
The Royal Canadian Mounted Police (National) can search without warrent, imprisson without charges for a while now.