Question: What prevents you from buying an iPod and using it with Dell's service AND with Apple's service?
Ummm, are you on crack or someting? Apple's service isn't available on the PC, that's the whole f*cking problem.
"Nothing" prevents me, except that neither service actually exists just yet.
where is the logic in them catering first to PC users and then to Mac users
Let's see, there are about ten times as many PC users? Heck, if Apple isn't interested in market share, why not release it on BeOS first? I think there's still 20 or 30 people running that OS.
Ignoring all these "Apple versus The World" responses, the original post was complaining about people "copying" Apple's stuff for the PC world. And my point hasn't changed: If Apple isn't going to sell music hardware and software to the PC world, someone else will step in and fill the gap pretty quickly. Why bitch about it? Apple certainly doesn't seem interested in being anything other than a niche player.
which means you never bought an iPod because of at least two reasons. That's why I wrote "technically, you're lying".
Ok, that explanation is so blockheaded I'm just going to drop it. Calling me a "liar" was way out of line.
Why would people buy Macs, then..?
Hell, man, I don't know why people buy Macs. Because money grows in their yard, instead of grass? Who cares why? I was talking about why I didn't buy an iPod, still haven't bought an iPod, and may never buy an iPod. And the fact is, I lusted after one when it was Mac-only. I lusted after iTunes, but now competitors are coming and iTunes still isn't out for PC's, and I'll "wait and see" which one is the best when the holidays come round.
Apple "True Believers" seem to think the rest of the world resents them and their pretentious iconoclasm. It's strange to me; who would want to define themselves in terms of the products they buy? You think I was "lying" and never wanted to buy an iPod, or whatever. How ridiculous. If Apple had offered the best cost/benefit position, I would have bought from them.
You yourself are a great demonstration of this mindset. I post about why I didn't buy an iPod -- that's an MP3 player -- and you start talking about buying Macs -- those are computers. The two should have nothing to do with each other. I don't have to buy a GE dishwasher just becaue I store my food in a GE refrigerator, do I? If I could just buy the MP3 player and get a good music service, I would. I already have a computer; I don't want another.
Back to my original point. Apple is stupid for tying its consumer products (which I want) to it computers (which I don't want). Do they honestly think I'm going to buy a $1,000+ computer just to download songs and load them on my iPod? I could take that $1,000 and buy every song I ever wanted on a competing service, once it's available for the PC. The cost of an iPod for a PC user wasn't $300 or $400, it was more like $1.5K. Who would pay that? Now the situation is the same if you're shopping for an internet music service. iTunes would cost me a cool grand up-front, so I'm waiting for the alternative.
Now Apple has put itself in the position of competing against Dell and others, when they could have locked up the internet music market months ago and the MP3 player market years ago. Was that smart?
what expectations do you have that keep you from buying an iPod?
..you aren't buying an iPod because of no iTunes?
That's what I said, and it's what I meant. Everyone knows the music publishers are slowly getting their heads out of their asses, and buying songs over the internet is coming. I want my next player to have that capability. The capability doesn't exist for PC's yet, so I'm still watching and waiting and limping along with my Compaq player.
When iPods first came out, I would have bought one if it were an option. They were certainly a lot better than anything else on the market. Not owning a Mac, I bought a Compaq MP3 player as a "holdover", until the PC-compatible hardware got better. Lost sales for Apple: 1.
Fast forward to the present. I'm tired of my 64 meg flash-based player, but my expectations are higher now. Everyone knows pay-for-music services are coming, but there aren't any available to me. So I'm still waiting.
This means that "it wouldn't talk to my computer" is not the only reason you don't have one right now.
I never said it was. I said it's why I didn't buy one when they first came out. My expectations have raised over the past couple years, and Apple still isn't there to meet those expectations. Maybe Apple will even release iTunes for PC, and I'll buy it. Or maybe not. Apparently, Apple thinks it's a good idea to let Dell et al catch up and give them competition. If Apple were smart, they would have written a Windows client for iTunes first, and worried about niche markets (Apples, Linux, etc) later.
By all means, please reply, and explain how this makes me a "liar", or appologize for calling me one.
PC companies that have tried to copy apple [are] usually quite terrible
And they usually end up dominating in the end. Apple invariably tries to use its successful products (like iPod and iTunes) to sell its overpriced products (like computers).
When iPod first came out it was amazing, but I never bought one because it wouldn't talk to my computer. Now iPods will work with PC's, but if you want the music service, it's Mac-only. Inevitably there will be a PC version of iTunes -- after it's too late and someone like Dell has locked up a 90% market share.
It seems to be inherent in the Apple culture. The same shit happenned with FireWire. Apple had this hot technology over ten years ago, and their first instinct is to lock it up and not sell it to anyone except "Apple people". Years later, USB comes along and people say it's inferior technology. Maybe, but it's inferior technology you could actually buy.
Seriously, why not let Apple do the R&D work? Once they finish, they let you take over the market.
The Republican Party immediately issued a statement pointing out that this 7-day cycle could be due natural processes which are not yet understood. They urged no action until further research was completed.
Do you even read? People don't take the receipt with them. They put them into a locked box, just like current paper ballots. The whole point of the excercise is that the voter can see what's printed on the ballot, and the ballot itself can be recounted in front of witnesses.
Who says you have to buy each release? I ran RedHat 7.2 for years without any problems on my home file/web server. When I had to rework some stuff due to changing ISP's, I went ahead and wiped the disk, installing RedHat 9. I skipped 7.3 and 8 in the process, but so what?
The only problem I see is people who think, "There's a new version, better go buy it and install immediately!!" That's hardly RedHat or Linux's fault. If it ain't broke, don't reformat it.
Yup, pretty much.. And so what? You think the industry should design motherboards for the 1% of people who still need these old ports? You'll need to "waste" a slot to use that old MFM hard drive and CGA monitor, too.
By the way, you don't necessarily need to use a slot. Since you're enamoured of external hardware, you could buy this quad-serial-port device and plug it into your USB bus.
Bad idea. By dropping the SYN (connection) packets, you force the browser to wait for a reply to a packet that never went out. That means 15 to 30 seconds of unresponsiveness. A better solution:
iptables -I OUTPUT -d 64.94.110.11 -j REJECT
This will bounce the packets with port unreachable (or you can select another error type).
But as with most things, people aren't looking at how to design a different craft to meet those requirements
Because those mission requirements were ill-advised 30 years ago, and that fact has been ably demonstrated over the lifetime of the shuttle.
Brought to very specific landing fields? The shuttle lands at White Sands when the weather forces it to. Know what happens then? They put the thing on a 747 and fly it where it needs to be. The 747 has wings -- so why bring wings into space with you? You could buy a whole fleet of 747's for the cost of one shuttle mission. (Not an exaggeration.. You could buy like 15 of them)
Thank goodness they're starting to talk about scrapping the whole ridiculous shuttle program.
Are you just being obtuse? Or can you only read the last 30% of his post?
He pointed out that the SoBig virus forged email "From:" headers, and that for that reason it was troublesome to anyone in somebody else's address book, even if they don't run Windows. That's certainly true, and maybe something people wouldn't have thought of, if it hadn't happenned to them. Did you read that part of the post? It was informative to me, but then again I haven't been touched by SoBig at all, since I read email using Linux, and my Windows boxes are firewalled.
To whomever modded this post up, you have apparently been trolled
Nothing of the sort. The guy made plenty of good points about how he, a non-Windows user, still had plenty of trouble because of Windows' lousy security. So one of his conclusions was wrong.. Big deal? It was still an informative post, on balance.
Except that Microsoft DOES actually sell upgrade versions of their OS, unlike Apple. So that upgrade copy of XP Pro is actually only $149. And even the non-upgrade version is $249; you're off by one-and-a-half bills there. Heck, even the list price is $299 -- did we just add an extra Benjamin to make our point?
Those are just Amazon's prices; I imagine you could find it cheaper if you looked at more than one site.
Of course, if you are buying a whole new computer and want to keep running the old OS on your old computer, you'd want the full version. Then again, the minute you start buying hardware the Apple user is screwed, price-wise.
I'm all for more methods for broadband... But they need to find a way to do it that doesn't wipe out other methods of communication.
I disagree. If broadband can be extended to an extra 100 million people, and 100 thousand people can't use HAM radios anymore, that seems like a worthy tradeoff. Not that I have anything against HAMs, but an internet connection is rapidly becoming a necessity, and there are plenty of rural areas with power lines and little else.
So take them back. Class A, B, and C addresses don't really mean anything any more, so reclaim the huge, mostly-unused address blocks being horded by the likes of IBM, DEC, etc.
Wouldn't that be a lot easier than converting the whole world to IPv6?
I have 5 routed IP's on my DSL, and I only use one of them anyway. Using NAT and pinholes, I run a web server, mail server, Ventrillo server (the best VoIP ever!), ssh server, etc. Honestly, I've never understood people who want routable IP's for all their machines. NAT isn't just better for the internet, it's better for your network too. I have to specifically enable any incoming traffic, which means I know exactly what traffic is coming through and where it's going.
They have only 1500 voters at each polling station so vote rigging is kind of limited in effect
This is where you'll really see some benefite from electronig voting. In the old days, what with paper ballots and locked boxes scattered to the four winds, it was a lot of work to steal a national office. Imagine the convenience of doing it online!
At what point did "heavy" become synonymous with "safe"?
Within a few picoseconds of the Big Bang, I believe the laws of physics had settled down enough to reach this conclusion. All kidding aside, the more a car weighs, the more it tends to deform objects it runs into, as opposed to being deformed by them.
I see a lot of comments along the lines of "look how small it is, that's suicide!". A professional-grade titanium roll cage is an amazing thing. Ever seen an Indy car hit the wall at 200 mph and the driver walks away? Those open-wheel-well cars have bodies about as wide as this "golf cart".
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"Nothing" prevents me, except that neither service actually exists just yet. Let's see, there are about ten times as many PC users? Heck, if Apple isn't interested in market share, why not release it on BeOS first? I think there's still 20 or 30 people running that OS.
Ignoring all these "Apple versus The World" responses, the original post was complaining about people "copying" Apple's stuff for the PC world. And my point hasn't changed: If Apple isn't going to sell music hardware and software to the PC world, someone else will step in and fill the gap pretty quickly. Why bitch about it? Apple certainly doesn't seem interested in being anything other than a niche player.
Apple "True Believers" seem to think the rest of the world resents them and their pretentious iconoclasm. It's strange to me; who would want to define themselves in terms of the products they buy? You think I was "lying" and never wanted to buy an iPod, or whatever. How ridiculous. If Apple had offered the best cost/benefit position, I would have bought from them.
You yourself are a great demonstration of this mindset. I post about why I didn't buy an iPod -- that's an MP3 player -- and you start talking about buying Macs -- those are computers. The two should have nothing to do with each other. I don't have to buy a GE dishwasher just becaue I store my food in a GE refrigerator, do I? If I could just buy the MP3 player and get a good music service, I would. I already have a computer; I don't want another.
Back to my original point. Apple is stupid for tying its consumer products (which I want) to it computers (which I don't want). Do they honestly think I'm going to buy a $1,000+ computer just to download songs and load them on my iPod? I could take that $1,000 and buy every song I ever wanted on a competing service, once it's available for the PC. The cost of an iPod for a PC user wasn't $300 or $400, it was more like $1.5K. Who would pay that? Now the situation is the same if you're shopping for an internet music service. iTunes would cost me a cool grand up-front, so I'm waiting for the alternative.
Now Apple has put itself in the position of competing against Dell and others, when they could have locked up the internet music market months ago and the MP3 player market years ago. Was that smart?
Fast forward to the present. I'm tired of my 64 meg flash-based player, but my expectations are higher now. Everyone knows pay-for-music services are coming, but there aren't any available to me. So I'm still waiting. I never said it was. I said it's why I didn't buy one when they first came out. My expectations have raised over the past couple years, and Apple still isn't there to meet those expectations. Maybe Apple will even release iTunes for PC, and I'll buy it. Or maybe not. Apparently, Apple thinks it's a good idea to let Dell et al catch up and give them competition. If Apple were smart, they would have written a Windows client for iTunes first, and worried about niche markets (Apples, Linux, etc) later.
By all means, please reply, and explain how this makes me a "liar", or appologize for calling me one.
Then they should have written a Windows version first, and worried about small niche markets like Macs once they had a big market share.
When iPod first came out it was amazing, but I never bought one because it wouldn't talk to my computer. Now iPods will work with PC's, but if you want the music service, it's Mac-only. Inevitably there will be a PC version of iTunes -- after it's too late and someone like Dell has locked up a 90% market share.
It seems to be inherent in the Apple culture. The same shit happenned with FireWire. Apple had this hot technology over ten years ago, and their first instinct is to lock it up and not sell it to anyone except "Apple people". Years later, USB comes along and people say it's inferior technology. Maybe, but it's inferior technology you could actually buy.
Seriously, why not let Apple do the R&D work? Once they finish, they let you take over the market.
The Republican Party immediately issued a statement pointing out that this 7-day cycle could be due natural processes which are not yet understood. They urged no action until further research was completed.
Do you even read? People don't take the receipt with them. They put them into a locked box, just like current paper ballots. The whole point of the excercise is that the voter can see what's printed on the ballot, and the ballot itself can be recounted in front of witnesses.
Who says you have to buy each release? I ran RedHat 7.2 for years without any problems on my home file/web server. When I had to rework some stuff due to changing ISP's, I went ahead and wiped the disk, installing RedHat 9. I skipped 7.3 and 8 in the process, but so what?
The only problem I see is people who think, "There's a new version, better go buy it and install immediately!!" That's hardly RedHat or Linux's fault. If it ain't broke, don't reformat it.
Yup, pretty much.. And so what? You think the industry should design motherboards for the 1% of people who still need these old ports? You'll need to "waste" a slot to use that old MFM hard drive and CGA monitor, too.
By the way, you don't necessarily need to use a slot. Since you're enamoured of external hardware, you could buy this quad-serial-port device and plug it into your USB bus.
Bad idea. By dropping the SYN (connection) packets, you force the browser to wait for a reply to a packet that never went out. That means 15 to 30 seconds of unresponsiveness. A better solution:
iptables -I OUTPUT -d 64.94.110.11 -j REJECT
This will bounce the packets with port unreachable (or you can select another error type).
Brought to very specific landing fields? The shuttle lands at White Sands when the weather forces it to. Know what happens then? They put the thing on a 747 and fly it where it needs to be. The 747 has wings -- so why bring wings into space with you? You could buy a whole fleet of 747's for the cost of one shuttle mission. (Not an exaggeration.. You could buy like 15 of them)
Thank goodness they're starting to talk about scrapping the whole ridiculous shuttle program.
Are you just being obtuse? Or can you only read the last 30% of his post?
He pointed out that the SoBig virus forged email "From:" headers, and that for that reason it was troublesome to anyone in somebody else's address book, even if they don't run Windows. That's certainly true, and maybe something people wouldn't have thought of, if it hadn't happenned to them. Did you read that part of the post? It was informative to me, but then again I haven't been touched by SoBig at all, since I read email using Linux, and my Windows boxes are firewalled.
Bah. By that definition, much of the West Coast is not part of North America. For that matter, India isn't part of Asia.
Except that Microsoft DOES actually sell upgrade versions of their OS, unlike Apple. So that upgrade copy of XP Pro is actually only $149. And even the non-upgrade version is $249; you're off by one-and-a-half bills there. Heck, even the list price is $299 -- did we just add an extra Benjamin to make our point?
Those are just Amazon's prices; I imagine you could find it cheaper if you looked at more than one site.
Of course, if you are buying a whole new computer and want to keep running the old OS on your old computer, you'd want the full version. Then again, the minute you start buying hardware the Apple user is screwed, price-wise.
Fair enough, but I doubt you'll pick up much power line interference in the middle of nowhere.
So take them back. Class A, B, and C addresses don't really mean anything any more, so reclaim the huge, mostly-unused address blocks being horded by the likes of IBM, DEC, etc. Wouldn't that be a lot easier than converting the whole world to IPv6?
I have 5 routed IP's on my DSL, and I only use one of them anyway. Using NAT and pinholes, I run a web server, mail server, Ventrillo server (the best VoIP ever!), ssh server, etc. Honestly, I've never understood people who want routable IP's for all their machines. NAT isn't just better for the internet, it's better for your network too. I have to specifically enable any incoming traffic, which means I know exactly what traffic is coming through and where it's going.
I see a lot of comments along the lines of "look how small it is, that's suicide!". A professional-grade titanium roll cage is an amazing thing. Ever seen an Indy car hit the wall at 200 mph and the driver walks away? Those open-wheel-well cars have bodies about as wide as this "golf cart".
Why lock yourself into one widget library? By doing the remoting at the lowest layer, every widget set written becomes remotely accessible.
They don't want you loading Windows XP, they want you loading their Windows XP.