And your post is a great example of someone who dissmisses science that contradicts their worldview with feable attempts to link it to unrelated events.
Well gee thanks for the advice on child rearing, got any tips on how to handle my grandkid?
My point wasn't about who was legally liable for the bill, it was that the telco's know (or can find out) who is raking in the cash with the scam and nothing is done, there is no legal recourse for the victims.
Yep, that would certainly be one use but my guess is they got a tip off that someone was close to indentifying them. Ever since I was stung by a dialer in the nineties I've always wondered about the impunity these guys seem to operate with. I used to think it was because nobody knew/cared but they cannot do this shit unless they also have friends in high places, especially telco places.
I told the phone company all about the dialer and that I knew it was my teenage son clicking porn links, their response was basically sorry but have already paid the $300 to the Russian telco who has already paid it to the 1900 number, if you don't pay us the $300 we will not only cut you off but will alert other vendors to your unpaid bills. I told them to go ask the Russians for their money back due to obvious and traceable fraud, they cut me off, I paid, we kissed and made up.
What you call neo-puritans are more commonly reffered to as Luddites, and as a "greenie" since the seventies I totally agree they do not represent enviromentalists, most of whom belive a healthy economy is not only compatible with a healthy environment, it depends on it. Thankfully respected econimists are starting to understand what environmentalists have been banging on about for decades. ie: the current rules of the free market are only half a system and are not much better than the total anarchy of an unregulated market.
The biosphere can take a lot of abuse and it has done over the course of the industrial revolution but just as the victorians in 19th century London found there comes a time when you can no longer continue to shit in your own nest without an adequate sewerage system there also comes a time when you can no longer pump your waste into the atmosphere. Of course the answer in London was to pipe it into the the mouth of the Thames and let the tide take it out where as modern sewerage systems are based on natural processes so sophisticated they can extract drinking water, fertilizer and energy from shit, demonstrating that pollution is actually a resource out of place. If the industrial revolution does not fall apart before the 22nd century I think our great grandkids will look back at our pollution with the same disgust that we have for cholera infested open sewers. The anti-science, anti-enviroment movement that is rooted in the US will quite possibly be seen as the luddites who refused to give up a lobsided system that rewards people for shitting in thier own (and everyone else's) nest.
The problem with revenue based bonuses in the financial sector is that if you make $X million dollars for five years and then lose five times $X in the sixth year you end up with five bonuses. Someone who makes $Y for six years (where $Y is less than $X) may not even get a bonus.
"Have you read some of the EU's or Obama's proposals? Tell me who was the inspiration : halliburton or greenpeace?"
Neither, it's called "science based policy" which is an anathema to the neocons and religious right, Greenpeace just happens to be aligned with the scientific evidence on AGW, GE are much better aligned with the evidence when it comes to nuclear power.
"greenpeace coopts entire governments, or at least, much more so than halliburton."
You have been misinformed, Finland for instance banned greenpeace from attending whaling confrences as a matter of national security, in fact I cannot think of a single western country where Greenpeace has NOT been denounced by the government of the day.
Yes, most of the US news channels we get here in Oz are pure red/white/blue propoganda (PBS newshour is about as good as it gets from the US, FOX is the pits). If you watched the BBC or Australian ABC/SBS during the war you would have thought they were talking about a different planet, ditto with the first gulf war and anything to do with climate change (until recently).
"Greenpeace is not, by any stretch of the imagination, a company that works by offering people choices."
No they are a lobby group that promotes a particular cause, no different to NRA, ACLU or EFF. Greenpeace have not shot anyone but they have rammed a couple of whaling boats and had their own boat bombed and sunk by the French secret service. I for one thank them for their early efforts to stop atmospheric nuclear bomb tests and appreciate their efforts to keep the Japanese whaling fleet out of Australian waters, pity they are now turning their dogmatic eye to nuclear power and have lost many of their founders.
"Greenpeace is selling the use of military force to advance someone's will, outside of the normal democratic process. That's how greenpeace pursues it's self intrest."
That's one of the most idiotic claims I have ever read on the internet, were you aiming for humour?
Same in Melbourne Australia - It's faster and cheaper to ride the train if you work in the city and live in the suburbs. However over the last few years there has been a shortage of trains. We also have problems with hot weather, it buckles the tracks and jams switching gear. Similar problems arise during summer storms when a sudden drop in temprature (as much as 15degC in 15minutes) jams switches.
Yep, people do not turn to the WSJ to read George Will's willfully ignorant opinion column. But I can think of no better way to moderate Murdoch's influence than to put a pay wall in front of his newspapers. One can only hope he will also make FOX news a pay-per-view channel.
Yes the road to hell is paved with good intentions but is self-interest a good or bad thing? I only ask because you seem to think that Haliburton's self interest is a good thing but "Greenpeace consisting of individuals, who care, first and foremost, for themselves" is a bad thing.
I don't agree with either organisation but I do agree they have a right to their opinion. I do not agree that anyone has the right to befowl OUR commons, in fact I think the major flaw in modern capitalisim is the almost religious belief that short term self-interest at the expense of OUR commons is a GoodThing(TM). Using that logic natrual disasters are also a GoodThingTM because the subsequent reconstruction increases GDP.
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Yep it was so secret it was painted blue so that it would blend in with the sky.
What, there's no self-destruct mechanisim? No robotic countdown? No strobe lights? - NOTHING?
What kind of spaceship is that?
"damn punk kids"
Ro-ro..
Let's get outta here Scooby!
"Is there a law prohibiting me from taking pictures of the insides of ATMs or armored cars?"
No law, just a guy with a shotgun.
And your post is a great example of someone who dissmisses science that contradicts their worldview with feable attempts to link it to unrelated events.
$20 says the judge is a creationist.
"Because it makes you feel good? There is something horribly wrong with that idea."
I didn't know thw pope posted on slashdot....
"the smarts were dedicated to achieving difficult but spectacularly stupid accomplishments."
That describes my dog. When frightened by thunder it will scratch and chew it's way through a plywood door only to find the thunder is on both sides.
I have time, I just need a wider margin to write in.
Blasphemer
Well gee thanks for the advice on child rearing, got any tips on how to handle my grandkid?
My point wasn't about who was legally liable for the bill, it was that the telco's know (or can find out) who is raking in the cash with the scam and nothing is done, there is no legal recourse for the victims.
Now, get off my lawn Super Nanny.
yep, life's a journey not a destination. Personally I would try and do a bill gates, ie: licence it and sell the dev team's time to megacorp.
I agree, DB writes great fiction, there is no need to market it as factual like he tried to do with da vinci code.
Yep, that would certainly be one use but my guess is they got a tip off that someone was close to indentifying them. Ever since I was stung by a dialer in the nineties I've always wondered about the impunity these guys seem to operate with. I used to think it was because nobody knew/cared but they cannot do this shit unless they also have friends in high places, especially telco places.
I told the phone company all about the dialer and that I knew it was my teenage son clicking porn links, their response was basically sorry but have already paid the $300 to the Russian telco who has already paid it to the 1900 number, if you don't pay us the $300 we will not only cut you off but will alert other vendors to your unpaid bills. I told them to go ask the Russians for their money back due to obvious and traceable fraud, they cut me off, I paid, we kissed and made up.
What you call neo-puritans are more commonly reffered to as Luddites, and as a "greenie" since the seventies I totally agree they do not represent enviromentalists, most of whom belive a healthy economy is not only compatible with a healthy environment, it depends on it. Thankfully respected econimists are starting to understand what environmentalists have been banging on about for decades. ie: the current rules of the free market are only half a system and are not much better than the total anarchy of an unregulated market.
The biosphere can take a lot of abuse and it has done over the course of the industrial revolution but just as the victorians in 19th century London found there comes a time when you can no longer continue to shit in your own nest without an adequate sewerage system there also comes a time when you can no longer pump your waste into the atmosphere. Of course the answer in London was to pipe it into the the mouth of the Thames and let the tide take it out where as modern sewerage systems are based on natural processes so sophisticated they can extract drinking water, fertilizer and energy from shit, demonstrating that pollution is actually a resource out of place. If the industrial revolution does not fall apart before the 22nd century I think our great grandkids will look back at our pollution with the same disgust that we have for cholera infested open sewers. The anti-science, anti-enviroment movement that is rooted in the US will quite possibly be seen as the luddites who refused to give up a lobsided system that rewards people for shitting in thier own (and everyone else's) nest.
"Why can't more people just accept the way things are and see the beauty in it?"
Let me guess, the only battleground you have been near is a video game, right?
The problem with revenue based bonuses in the financial sector is that if you make $X million dollars for five years and then lose five times $X in the sixth year you end up with five bonuses. Someone who makes $Y for six years (where $Y is less than $X) may not even get a bonus.
"Have you read some of the EU's or Obama's proposals? Tell me who was the inspiration : halliburton or greenpeace?"
Neither, it's called "science based policy" which is an anathema to the neocons and religious right, Greenpeace just happens to be aligned with the scientific evidence on AGW, GE are much better aligned with the evidence when it comes to nuclear power.
"greenpeace coopts entire governments, or at least, much more so than halliburton."
You have been misinformed, Finland for instance banned greenpeace from attending whaling confrences as a matter of national security, in fact I cannot think of a single western country where Greenpeace has NOT been denounced by the government of the day.
Sorry, it's often difficult to pick the stupid from the satirical when it comes to climate.
BTW: "For fuck's sake" is an Aussie expression of frustration, none of us really know what it means but we all use it.
Yes, most of the US news channels we get here in Oz are pure red/white/blue propoganda (PBS newshour is about as good as it gets from the US, FOX is the pits). If you watched the BBC or Australian ABC/SBS during the war you would have thought they were talking about a different planet, ditto with the first gulf war and anything to do with climate change (until recently).
"Greenpeace is not, by any stretch of the imagination, a company that works by offering people choices."
No they are a lobby group that promotes a particular cause, no different to NRA, ACLU or EFF. Greenpeace have not shot anyone but they have rammed a couple of whaling boats and had their own boat bombed and sunk by the French secret service. I for one thank them for their early efforts to stop atmospheric nuclear bomb tests and appreciate their efforts to keep the Japanese whaling fleet out of Australian waters, pity they are now turning their dogmatic eye to nuclear power and have lost many of their founders.
"Greenpeace is selling the use of military force to advance someone's will, outside of the normal democratic process. That's how greenpeace pursues it's self intrest."
That's one of the most idiotic claims I have ever read on the internet, were you aiming for humour?
Same in Melbourne Australia - It's faster and cheaper to ride the train if you work in the city and live in the suburbs. However over the last few years there has been a shortage of trains. We also have problems with hot weather, it buckles the tracks and jams switching gear. Similar problems arise during summer storms when a sudden drop in temprature (as much as 15degC in 15minutes) jams switches.
Just because you have a low uid does not mean you can interupt a partisan flamefest with your common sense.
Yep, people do not turn to the WSJ to read George Will's willfully ignorant opinion column. But I can think of no better way to moderate Murdoch's influence than to put a pay wall in front of his newspapers. One can only hope he will also make FOX news a pay-per-view channel.
Yes the road to hell is paved with good intentions but is self-interest a good or bad thing? I only ask because you seem to think that Haliburton's self interest is a good thing but "Greenpeace consisting of individuals, who care, first and foremost, for themselves" is a bad thing.
I don't agree with either organisation but I do agree they have a right to their opinion. I do not agree that anyone has the right to befowl OUR commons, in fact I think the major flaw in modern capitalisim is the almost religious belief that short term self-interest at the expense of OUR commons is a GoodThing(TM). Using that logic natrual disasters are also a GoodThingTM because the subsequent reconstruction increases GDP.