Of course there has to an upper bound. I would think slashdot wouldn't post an article that made such a claim as infinite storage space in a finite space. I was poking fun at what the article headline implied. he he ha ha
why, thank you, thank you very much. I would hope that you will remember that I qualified my statement as not reading the article so remember I am a step above most/.'s who post never haveing read the article AND not admitting it
And pray tell what critical systems do YOU have running Windows XP, a user desktop?
lol, maybe I should reword that to work computers that you don't want to go down because it will either piss you or your coworkers off and make for a bad day
I hope no one that reads/. is applying SP2 to any critical systems at the moment. At least without adequate backup. I thought it was just what tech people did, especially with windows updates, was to wait at least a couple of weeks before applying it. Why bother with the headaches if someone else can deal with issues so you don't have to.
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i have addressed this issue before on/. and i do not think that it is a contradiction. It saids in the Bible, "if you are going to boast, boast in the Lord", if you want me to give you a more detailed response I will look up my previous response and get more scripture to back it up.
The fallout from this offer may very well be the annoyance of techies everywhere. If the target audience are the people who have yet to buy a home computer then a lot of those people will be pretty much clueless with it. So it will follow in a lot of cases, these people will download or otherwise get viruses galore and/or adware. Since these new people only spent what was it 299 on a new computer, they aren't going to want to pay some tech 60 bucks an hour to fix their computer. Their tech friends will be used and abused. We will be called in to fix their problems. If the problem is software and we fix it for free than all is right with the world. The fallback on fixing a computer once is that forever more that person can say that, I think what you did 6 years ago is screwing up my computer now. Also, there is a hardware issue. These computers have the cheapest possible hardware, parts are going to die in them a lot. Well, back to the poor techie that got stuck fixing there computer. If you find out that lets say their harddrive is pooched, then they will ask how much it will cost. You will tell them and they will give you the look, like I told them that they have to hand over a years salary to fix it, then they will say well, could it be this or is there a way I can get by not using this right now...I can go on
So my assertion is cheap PCs are only a headache for techies. Any techie who finds out that someone has one of these type of computers, run run away, very fast even
lets solve this dispute like true geeks, I will give you my ip and you give me yours. The first who cracks into the others computer and wipes the hard drive wins. My IP is 127.0.0.1. What's yours?
when it comes to big ticket government items, they are all in some way controlled or influenced by the president. Just like when Tenet took the fall for Bush for the mistakes of the administration. Same kind of thing. Tenet and the CIA made mistakes, but his resignation was in large part a way for the white house to save face for their screw up.
I think it is a good thing that there isn?t as many CS Majors as in the bubble. I was in the CS Major (doing the classes to get my major) from 1999-2001. During that time the bar of excellence was lowered repeatedly because a great number of the majors were doing it for the money and not the love of tech or computers. It was quite annoying to work hard and get a good score on a project or something like that, let?s say a mid A and then to have the proff slide everyone up, lets say a D to a C+. My grade couldn?t go up anymore but all of a sudden my knowledge of some material was equivalent to another that it wasn?t! I also got tired of the people who could barely get through high school algebra in the Major because they have repeatedly taken math up to what, the Calc I required and squeaked into the major. I can go on, but I think my point is made. Back in the bubble there were many people getting a CS degree for reasons other than the love of computers/tech and many people getting degrees in CS who should have been flipping burgers at McDonalds. The bursting of the bubble was a good thing, now the industry will be filled with better qualified, my passonate workers.
This is amazing news to hear considering the current political atmosphere of the country. George W. Bush may want to gain favor with the scientific community quickly in order to get some more support for his reelection. Since the project will take 3 years George W. could scrap it after the election to go for more ambitious and prestigious plan that will bolster up his presidency. So, if George W. Bush gets reelected, I think there is a chance that this project gets scrapped. Now if Kerry gets elected, there may be a ?weeding? of all things Bush and it may get scrapped that way too. So, given our current political atmosphere, I do not think that the fixing of the Hubble is a sure thing
I think that we should be more concerned about who will have the upper hand if we ever do encounter aliens. It would suck to come into contact with a cranky alien civilization bent on being jerks and being some kind of ant under a magnifying glass to them. I would be much more comfortable if We held the magnifying glass. I mean I mean I would feel much more comfortable if we could show an alien civilization the kindness, compassion, and generosity of the human race and our wonderful track record for being that way....yeah yeah that is it
No matter how bad their reputation is, Microsoft can regain/keep the respect/hold on the monopolies they have by fixing/building more stable and more secure software. The majority of the users of windows aren't techies like the people who read slashdot. They don't have stringent ideas and methodogies like techies hold so dear. So, by changing their ways (security and stability minded) they can change their public image to a big enough slice of computer users. Techies are not the majority when it comes to computer users. When you look at what I have to say that way, I think what I had to say makes more sense.
Out of all the software compainies in the world, Microsoft is the company that has the resources to build and maintain software right. They definitely have the talent. I think the issue here is big corporation politics. Microsoft should put more of an investment into their public image (at least try to get an image comparable to lets say Google). Sure, it may not give them as big as returns pumping more people into the XP camp (service pak 2) and less into lets say Long horn, but get step one right before going to step two. The trust they will gain by the public would earn them money in the future...probably more than their current practices.
Heck yeah, typing is essential. I would argue that it is especially essential to any programmer or network administrator. The faster and more proficient you are at typing the faster you can get your ideas into production or solve problems. Not only typing out words, but also keyboard shortcuts in programs you use everyday will make you a better programmer/network admin. The less you reach for a mouse the faster you go and the less breaks in thought a worker will have. Also, when working with other people it is a great help. For example, if I ask a coworker to help me debug some code, typing proficiency makes the process so much easier. If you can navigate as fast as you or your fellow coworker can think there is no hindrance to your work (navigating with a keyboard is much faster than with a mouse in most cases). Bad typing skills, just slows everything down. This is costly when your work environment demands results ASAP.
While most programmers handle their addiction by finding the closest coffee shop to fuel their addiction, this programmer has a bug and seems to think that once a coffee shop(starbucks) is visited it cannot be visited again. Aside from the traveling salesman issue here, this guy has broken an important rule of any good programmer...TO GET STUFF DONE IN THE SIMPLIEST, EASIEST WAY POSSIBLE (Translation, LAZINESS)
I've grown the habit of always asking for 10 or 15 percent off any item over US$100. The worst that I get is "no", and that's rare. The only places I don't try it is restaurants and warehouse stores -- basically any other place where I have face-to-face contact with a sales agent.
LOL, I asked for a break on a price at a mom and pop store on a hard drive once and the salesman got pissed and said, "fine, get it there" and walked off. It wouldn't have pissed me off so much except that he made it out to be a great deal and in fact it was over twice the price as warehouse stores offer or what I could get from the internet...
I don't want this to be a flame fest as the parent author doesn't his comment to be, but I must reply to what I think is an inaccurate view of Windows. My reply to the 4 assertions made by the parent are as follows...
An OS that is less secure than Windows. Windows is far and away the most used OS on Earth. If someone is going to attack an OS, it would me logically Windows.
An OS that crashes more frequently than Windows
Of course Windows will tend to crash more frequently than other OSs. Windows was originally designed for Joe Shmo user who knows next to nothing about computers, but yet expects every little feature and also expects it with little to no time commitment. delivering everything to a customer like this will in turn produce a lot of complexity. COMPLEX SYSTEMS ARE HARD TO BUILD.
An OS with a EULA more restrictive than Windows. Who actually cares about Microsofts EULA. People click I agree, then next and move on. Microsoft's EULA will only be a problem when they try to enforce it which they won't until they come to the point that they are losing more money than the backlash from there customers if they were too. In either case, anti-Microsoft people will be happy
Software which has slipped the scheduled release date more often and by a larger margin than Windows. IIRC, Microsoft hasn't released on OS on time in the last 10 years.
I have worked in software for years and slipping on scheduled release date is something that happens. It is no biggie, the world didn't come to an end because they slipped.
One final comment. Microsoft is in business and they will run their business in the fashion that will make them the most possible money. if Microsoft will make 50% more money having a million bugs in their software than if they had a hundred thousand (taking into account future profits...) then they should as a business release the million bug version. Microsoft is a business not a charity. So in a way I agree with your post. We should be concentrating more on Microsoft's business practices than its software practices. None the less, I think that your comments were skewed far to much to the negative.
" If you've got programmers, give them the offices, and let the directors and VPs, who are never in their offices anyway, have the cubes. "
Are you living in a dream world...the directors and VPs working in cubes, EVERYONE WILL WORK IN CUBES BEFORE VPs AND DIRECTORS EVEN CONSIDER IT
most VPs and Directors won't even give up the space if they knew for a fact that it would get the company bigger profits. VPs and Directors are one of the few types of people that generally have bigger egos than programmers so again I will say...IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN
It is microsoft's problem to have a reasonably secure system on their first release. If there were a few less leaks in the software, maybe people will be more apt to patch it.
your analogy is wrong. Computer languages, while they are hard to learn and wield, they are not even in the same class as a spoken language. for example, if you are married and you ask your wife if everything is ok, and she saids 'I am fine'. 'I am fine' can mean many different things.
Once you know how a language works and how computers work, you have the tools to quickly pick up any computer language. Yes, yes, I know there is a big difference between lets say LISP and C++, but if you don't have the knack for picking this stuff up when you need to and with little pain you have no business being a programmer. If you don't love being a programmer, you are wasting your time and the company you are working for time.
Saying this I still think Extensible Programming can be a bad thing, just not for the reason stated previously.
I think the real problem trying to be solved here is that programming is hard. The problem of it's difficulty is trying to solved in the wrong way. Too many people are allowed to be programmers when they have no business around code. Too many projects are run as though you are building a bridge while you are planning it. Building sofware can be infinately more complex that building a bridge (don't bash me for the generalization, I could elaborate...but I don't want to write a novel here)
A good resume comes from a person who agressively works so that their skill set becomes impressive. Go to school with that in mind, take jobs and certify with that in mind. Besides, if you do this then you will have to blow less smoke up peoples a@@es and that will better the whole IT world.
depends on how you look at the possibility of Opera or Mozilla patenting this stuff. I think that these possible patents may be a good thing for OS until this patent nonsense is settled. What I mean is, I think open source will be less of a tarket of patent holders if they have lots of patents themselves (hopefully patents that the possible people that would be suing them are infringing). I don't think that this would be the purist way of handling this patent nonsense, but if it will help open source thrive maybe the OS community should consider it.
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Of course there has to an upper bound. I would think slashdot wouldn't post an article that made such a claim as infinite storage space in a finite space. I was poking fun at what the article headline implied. he he ha ha
Nuttles
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why, thank you, thank you very much. I would hope that you will remember that I qualified my statement as not reading the article so remember I am a step above most /.'s who post never haveing read the article AND not admitting it
Nuttles
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without changing file sizes... let me stick my pirated version of War and Piece in my Hello world application.
sometimes you don't even have to rtfa to rip on a topic...
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And pray tell what critical systems do YOU have running Windows XP, a user desktop?
lol, maybe I should reword that to work computers that you don't want to go down because it will either piss you or your coworkers off and make for a bad day
I hope no one that reads /. is applying SP2 to any critical systems at the moment. At least without adequate backup. I thought it was just what tech people did, especially with windows updates, was to wait at least a couple of weeks before applying it. Why bother with the headaches if someone else can deal with issues so you don't have to.
Nuttles
Christian and proud of it
i have addressed this issue before on /. and i do not think that it is a contradiction. It saids in the Bible, "if you are going to boast, boast in the Lord", if you want me to give you a more detailed response I will look up my previous response and get more scripture to back it up.
Nuttles
Christian and proud of it
The fallout from this offer may very well be the annoyance of techies everywhere. If the target audience are the people who have yet to buy a home computer then a lot of those people will be pretty much clueless with it. So it will follow in a lot of cases, these people will download or otherwise get viruses galore and/or adware. Since these new people only spent what was it 299 on a new computer, they aren't going to want to pay some tech 60 bucks an hour to fix their computer. Their tech friends will be used and abused. We will be called in to fix their problems. If the problem is software and we fix it for free than all is right with the world. The fallback on fixing a computer once is that forever more that person can say that, I think what you did 6 years ago is screwing up my computer now. Also, there is a hardware issue. These computers have the cheapest possible hardware, parts are going to die in them a lot. Well, back to the poor techie that got stuck fixing there computer. If you find out that lets say their harddrive is pooched, then they will ask how much it will cost. You will tell them and they will give you the look, like I told them that they have to hand over a years salary to fix it, then they will say well, could it be this or is there a way I can get by not using this right now...I can go on
So my assertion is cheap PCs are only a headache for techies. Any techie who finds out that someone has one of these type of computers, run run away, very fast even
Nuttles
Christian and proud of it
lets solve this dispute like true geeks, I will give you my ip and you give me yours. The first who cracks into the others computer and wipes the hard drive wins. My IP is 127.0.0.1. What's yours?
Nuttles
Christian and proud of it
I did rtfa
when it comes to big ticket government items, they are all in some way controlled or influenced by the president. Just like when Tenet took the fall for Bush for the mistakes of the administration. Same kind of thing. Tenet and the CIA made mistakes, but his resignation was in large part a way for the white house to save face for their screw up.
I was looking at the big picture.
Nuttles
Christian and proud of it
There is a such thing as a proud Christian.
"Whoever boasts, should boast in the Lord." 1 Cor 1:31
"But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven." Mat 10:33
"Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." 2 Tim 2:15
Nuttles
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I think it is a good thing that there isn?t as many CS Majors as in the bubble. I was in the CS Major (doing the classes to get my major) from 1999-2001. During that time the bar of excellence was lowered repeatedly because a great number of the majors were doing it for the money and not the love of tech or computers. It was quite annoying to work hard and get a good score on a project or something like that, let?s say a mid A and then to have the proff slide everyone up, lets say a D to a C+. My grade couldn?t go up anymore but all of a sudden my knowledge of some material was equivalent to another that it wasn?t! I also got tired of the people who could barely get through high school algebra in the Major because they have repeatedly taken math up to what, the Calc I required and squeaked into the major. I can go on, but I think my point is made. Back in the bubble there were many people getting a CS degree for reasons other than the love of computers/tech and many people getting degrees in CS who should have been flipping burgers at McDonalds. The bursting of the bubble was a good thing, now the industry will be filled with better qualified, my passonate workers.
Nuttles
Christian and proud of it
This is amazing news to hear considering the current political atmosphere of the country. George W. Bush may want to gain favor with the scientific community quickly in order to get some more support for his reelection. Since the project will take 3 years George W. could scrap it after the election to go for more ambitious and prestigious plan that will bolster up his presidency. So, if George W. Bush gets reelected, I think there is a chance that this project gets scrapped. Now if Kerry gets elected, there may be a ?weeding? of all things Bush and it may get scrapped that way too. So, given our current political atmosphere, I do not think that the fixing of the Hubble is a sure thing
Nuttles
Christian and proud of it
I think that we should be more concerned about who will have the upper hand if we ever do encounter aliens. It would suck to come into contact with a cranky alien civilization bent on being jerks and being some kind of ant under a magnifying glass to them. I would be much more comfortable if We held the magnifying glass. I mean I mean I would feel much more comfortable if we could show an alien civilization the kindness, compassion, and generosity of the human race and our wonderful track record for being that way....yeah yeah that is it
No matter how bad their reputation is, Microsoft can regain/keep the respect/hold on the monopolies they have by fixing/building more stable and more secure software. The majority of the users of windows aren't techies like the people who read slashdot. They don't have stringent ideas and methodogies like techies hold so dear. So, by changing their ways (security and stability minded) they can change their public image to a big enough slice of computer users. Techies are not the majority when it comes to computer users. When you look at what I have to say that way, I think what I had to say makes more sense.
Nuttles
Christian and proud of it
Out of all the software compainies in the world, Microsoft is the company that has the resources to build and maintain software right. They definitely have the talent. I think the issue here is big corporation politics. Microsoft should put more of an investment into their public image (at least try to get an image comparable to lets say Google). Sure, it may not give them as big as returns pumping more people into the XP camp (service pak 2) and less into lets say Long horn, but get step one right before going to step two. The trust they will gain by the public would earn them money in the future...probably more than their current practices.
Nuttles
Christian and proud of it
Heck yeah, typing is essential. I would argue that it is especially essential to any programmer or network administrator. The faster and more proficient you are at typing the faster you can get your ideas into production or solve problems. Not only typing out words, but also keyboard shortcuts in programs you use everyday will make you a better programmer/network admin. The less you reach for a mouse the faster you go and the less breaks in thought a worker will have. Also, when working with other people it is a great help. For example, if I ask a coworker to help me debug some code, typing proficiency makes the process so much easier. If you can navigate as fast as you or your fellow coworker can think there is no hindrance to your work (navigating with a keyboard is much faster than with a mouse in most cases). Bad typing skills, just slows everything down. This is costly when your work environment demands results ASAP.
Nuttles
While most programmers handle their addiction by finding the closest coffee shop to fuel their addiction, this programmer has a bug and seems to think that once a coffee shop(starbucks) is visited it cannot be visited again. Aside from the traveling salesman issue here, this guy has broken an important rule of any good programmer...TO GET STUFF DONE IN THE SIMPLIEST, EASIEST WAY POSSIBLE (Translation, LAZINESS)
To each his own
Nut
I work with the parent posts author and I will verify that at least 25% of our company could do this AND WE ARE A SOFTWARE COMPANY!!!
I've grown the habit of always asking for 10 or 15 percent off any item over US$100. The worst that I get is "no", and that's rare. The only places I don't try it is restaurants and warehouse stores -- basically any other place where I have face-to-face contact with a sales agent.
LOL, I asked for a break on a price at a mom and pop store on a hard drive once and the salesman got pissed and said, "fine, get it there" and walked off. It wouldn't have pissed me off so much except that he made it out to be a great deal and in fact it was over twice the price as warehouse stores offer or what I could get from the internet...
Nuttles
Christian and proud of it
I don't want this to be a flame fest as the parent author doesn't his comment to be, but I must reply to what I think is an inaccurate view of Windows. My reply to the 4 assertions made by the parent are as follows...
An OS that is less secure than Windows.
Windows is far and away the most used OS on Earth. If someone is going to attack an OS, it would me logically Windows.
An OS that crashes more frequently than Windows
Of course Windows will tend to crash more frequently than other OSs. Windows was originally designed for Joe Shmo user who knows next to nothing about computers, but yet expects every little feature and also expects it with little to no time commitment. delivering everything to a customer like this will in turn produce a lot of complexity. COMPLEX SYSTEMS ARE HARD TO BUILD.
An OS with a EULA more restrictive than Windows.
Who actually cares about Microsofts EULA. People click I agree, then next and move on. Microsoft's EULA will only be a problem when they try to enforce it which they won't until they come to the point that they are losing more money than the backlash from there customers if they were too. In either case, anti-Microsoft people will be happy
Software which has slipped the scheduled release date more often and by a larger margin than Windows. IIRC, Microsoft hasn't released on OS on time in the last 10 years.
I have worked in software for years and slipping on scheduled release date is something that happens. It is no biggie, the world didn't come to an end because they slipped.
One final comment. Microsoft is in business and they will run their business in the fashion that will make them the most possible money. if Microsoft will make 50% more money having a million bugs in their software than if they had a hundred thousand (taking into account future profits...) then they should as a business release the million bug version. Microsoft is a business not a charity. So in a way I agree with your post. We should be concentrating more on Microsoft's business practices than its software practices. None the less, I think that your comments were skewed far to much to the negative.
Nuttles
Christian and proud of it
" If you've got programmers, give them the offices, and let the directors and VPs, who are never in their offices anyway, have the cubes. "
Are you living in a dream world...the directors and VPs working in cubes, EVERYONE WILL WORK IN CUBES BEFORE VPs AND DIRECTORS EVEN CONSIDER IT
most VPs and Directors won't even give up the space if they knew for a fact that it would get the company bigger profits. VPs and Directors are one of the few types of people that generally have bigger egos than programmers so again I will say...IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN
Nuttles
Christian and proud of it
It is microsoft's problem to have a reasonably secure system on their first release. If there were a few less leaks in the software, maybe people will be more apt to patch it.
Nuttles
-Christian and proud of it
your analogy is wrong. Computer languages, while they are hard to learn and wield, they are not even in the same class as a spoken language. for example, if you are married and you ask your wife if everything is ok, and she saids 'I am fine'. 'I am fine' can mean many different things.
Once you know how a language works and how computers work, you have the tools to quickly pick up any computer language. Yes, yes, I know there is a big difference between lets say LISP and C++, but if you don't have the knack for picking this stuff up when you need to and with little pain you have no business being a programmer. If you don't love being a programmer, you are wasting your time and the company you are working for time.
Saying this I still think Extensible Programming can be a bad thing, just not for the reason stated previously.
I think the real problem trying to be solved here is that programming is hard. The problem of it's difficulty is trying to solved in the wrong way. Too many people are allowed to be programmers when they have no business around code. Too many projects are run as though you are building a bridge while you are planning it. Building sofware can be infinately more complex that building a bridge (don't bash me for the generalization, I could elaborate...but I don't want to write a novel here)
well, those are my 2 cents
Nuttles
Christian and proud of it
A good resume comes from a person who agressively works so that their skill set becomes impressive. Go to school with that in mind, take jobs and certify with that in mind. Besides, if you do this then you will have to blow less smoke up peoples a@@es and that will better the whole IT world.
depends on how you look at the possibility of Opera or Mozilla patenting this stuff. I think that these possible patents may be a good thing for OS until this patent nonsense is settled. What I mean is, I think open source will be less of a tarket of patent holders if they have lots of patents themselves (hopefully patents that the possible people that would be suing them are infringing). I don't think that this would be the purist way of handling this patent nonsense, but if it will help open source thrive maybe the OS community should consider it.
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