For the billionth time, Spam != advertising. When a company advertises, THEY cover the costs of the advertising. They buy the billboard and pay the guys to put their ad up on it.
Spammers, on the other hand, use MY money, MY network and MY time to deliver advertisements to me. The reason spammers are able to break even is because they're using other people's resources to get their advert out.
Besides, if the "common man" wanted your "mass-communication" everyone would be checking out www.viagra-adipex-free-teens-larger-wang.com instead of slashdot.
Now, I'm sure this post is going to be flooded with tons of people saying "what's the problem? I don't want to counterfit money." Neither do I, but I'm still worried about this. It sets a precedent for software being crippled to suit the government. This is no different in principle from having an email program that alerts the department of homeland security when you send emails that advocate terrorism.
It's our right to have all of the finest tools for breaking every law imaginable so long as we do not exercise them. That means owning guns, copies of the anarchist's cookbook, whatever. That's what the second amendment is all about...the founding fathers did not trust the government to disarm us, and rightly so. I have the right to be able to counterfit money...it's only once I actually counterfit money that the Government has a right to tell me what I can and cannot do.
What do you expect the guys at sun to do if they turn the development of Java over to the open-source community? Sure, open standards are great, and so is OSS, but don't forget, Sun is a commercial entity that needs to make money. Why would anyone invest in Sun or take them seriously when they don't exercise control over their flagship product anymore? If you want a free, open language, try using c++ with gcc. I'm sure the good folks at Sun like trying to make the best possible software, but you can't expect them to destroy their company for a shot at making their software even better.
than finding some uber-secret in an old videogame. I often wonder why we don't see more developers putting uber-secrets in their games...the search for stuff can keep people interested in a game for years. Look at that little room in echo base in Shadows of the Empire...I must've spent days running around, looking for some kind of clue as to how to get up there...
Middle-aged women have always been playing card games, bored games, etc. Now they don't play scrabble with the neighbors, they do it with strangers on the internet.
Real gaming is interesting to me because it's something new, or at least a significant transformation. There's nothing surprising or interesting about learning that middle aged women are taking their solitaire games online. Yawn.
However, pure capitalism is a horrible thing. Like health care? Social security? Retirement? How about weekends? All of those things are contrary to capitalism, and corporations will be more than happy to slash all of those in the name of profits as soon as we let them.
Remember, corporations want to take us back to 1900, before all of that commie hippie bullshit started up. I'm not saying that they're evil or something, but capitalism cares about only one thing, and that is the profits of the guy on top. There's no use in questioning the guy on top, because all he's doing is realizing the objectives of a business in a capitalist society. Capitalism is a powerful system, the most successful economic system in history, but in its purest form it destroys everyone but the richest. That's why we must always temper capitalism with enough socialist protections to stop the little guy from getting hosed.
Really, the only the reason there exists such a thing as a comfortable, dignified middle class is because people have been questioning capitalism since the foundation of this country. There's been a really strong push lately to purify capitalism in this country, and this current wave of outsourcing is just another indication of this trend.
Thank you captain obvious. The point of this entire discussion is that we are being complicit in gutting our white-collar work-force. In other words, we are allowing them the opportunity to make use of those skills at our expense. Through protectionist legislation we have the power to stop that from happening, and I am arguing that we ought to exercise that power.
Considering that it's the US that invested all of this money in creating an environment that made the computer revolution possible, it's foolish now to allow the greed of American companies to squander it. Sure, all knowledge is eventually interrelated, but what I'm saying is that we can either keep tech dollars here and strengthen the economy and government that we rely on for our lives, or we can pillage our tax revenue and our consumer economy to benefit people living in India for corporate profits. It seems like a pretty simple choice to me.
..the US produced the computer industry as it exists today, and were it not for the dot-com boom, the web as we know it today would not exist. The only reason so many untrained people over here were able to make so much money was because there was an amazing revolution going on. Poor investing aside, no one can argue that the US has not created the modern computing industry as it exists today, and we have years of experience going back to the days of the mainframes.
India, on the other hand, appears to have contributed precisely jack shit to all of this, and it's very understandable that they're going to want to want a piece of the pie now that they can just go buy a book and pirate a copy of windows XP and take advantage of the American computer revolution.
The US should implement protectionist policies immediately, much like those India is implementing to keep US programmers from competing with Indian workers for their own jobs. Considering it was the US' commitment to education and entrepreneurship that created this world of technology, we have every right to introduce legislation to stop corporate greed from giving the benefit to others.
The older kernels aren't really useful for most things we associate linux with...if you need a stripped-down kernel for an embedded device, local root holes don't matter.
...where doing things in ASM isn't educational, it's torture. If you want to make kids lean how to do things in ASM, that's fine...but anything more than that is a waste of time. ASM is all well and good, but most CS curricula fail to put it in its proper contex. Nowadays, you use ASM in small functions where speed is absolutely imperative. Learning how to shave a few cycles off a nested loop in C++ is useful...making kids spend hours hunting for typos when pushing the stack is just a waste of everyone's time.
I would personally have students start in a C++ compiler, and have them drop down to ASM and write a print function...then say ok, on to the next thing, but you get to use printf() whenever you want, etc.
There is only one way to write a given statement, but how you combine those statements is where you run into infinite possibilities. There may be only one way to get an openGL context, but what you do with that once you have it is up to you.
Exactly what programs are you referring to? You don't know much about programming if you think you can make ANYTHING useful with mere drag-n-drop programming.
You just don't get it. The inflexibility of Java that you refer to is about SYNTAX. You give a human being a piece of an assembly line, and he can make ONE thing, and there's only ONE way to do it. You give a human being a computer, and he can design anything, from software that will create vivid 3d animations ala toy story, to an e-commerce server, to a piece of software that simulates the human voice. Furthermore, there are an infinite number of ways that any one of those pieces of software may be produced.
Besides, what the hell would a "mechanical programmer" do, anyways? Maintain existing code? Port code to other architectures? Extend existing software to new hardware? No matter what kind of programming you're doing, you need to be able to understand how making any single change affects the entire program. There is really no such thing as programming that can be likened to a form of manufacture simply because there are no programming tasks that can be written in a simple "when you see A do B" form. If there were, anyways, we'd have the computer doing it.
I have absolutely no idea how this got moderated +5 interesting. What are you trying to say, here? That Google isn't "in the content business?" Of course Google isn't in the content business...that's why they're called a search engine, not a "content engine." They find other people's content for you...that's how a search engine works.
There was no "editorial comment." They change the logo to reflect an important event in history on any given day...it just so happened that Gaston Julia's birthday was that day. They're a search engine, and they want to promote their searching ability...why would they waste time and money hiring someone to write an article about fractals?
I'm not trying to flame or anything, but what exactly where you trying to say?
And I hate to put it in these terms, but I don't see a whole lot of difference between a certain class of writers and manufacturing jobs. I mean, isn't that the whole point of languages like English? To structure things so tightly that writers are basically just there to put pre-built words together in a certain order? Does it really less skill to assemble a car engine than to make a novel?
*end spoof*
There's no similarity between programming and manufacturing, since the goal of manufacturing is to reproduce a given design as quickly and cheaply as possible, whereas the goal of programming is to create the design that is reproduced.
That's true, but the very activity of subverting a government is by definition something that is outside of the city's laws. Though our founding fathers foresaw that we would someday need to topple our own government, and they gave us certain freedoms that would aid us in that fight, there was never any expectation that the government would be complicit. Subversive activity is what this country was founded upon, and it was certainly looked upon as just by the founding fathers in the right situation. The important distinction is between that which is right within the context of a country's laws and what is ultimately right. Many of our country's greatest heroes triumphed by breaking the law...just look at MLK Jr, for example.
Tragedy isn't just measured in terms of the number of people killed. Though most of us spend our entire lives seeking our own comfort and profit, there are some who are willing to risk their lives to advance the entire enterprise known as science, enriching all of our lives. More perished in that accident than flesh and bone...they were carrying with us our very hopes and dreams. You may look at it as a loss for the shuttle's crew and their families, but I see it as a loss for everyone who's ever looked at the stars and imagined touching the sky's blue roof. The death of a starving boy is pitiable beyond description, but the death of our dreams is truly tragic.
Well, I don't watch tv at all because it's mindless trash...but that's neither here nor there. I just refuse to play their recruitment tools...the same way I'd slam the door on any recruiter that showed up at my house.
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Not if you just take the cap off....
For the billionth time, Spam != advertising. When a company advertises, THEY cover the costs of the advertising. They buy the billboard and pay the guys to put their ad up on it. Spammers, on the other hand, use MY money, MY network and MY time to deliver advertisements to me. The reason spammers are able to break even is because they're using other people's resources to get their advert out. Besides, if the "common man" wanted your "mass-communication" everyone would be checking out www.viagra-adipex-free-teens-larger-wang.com instead of slashdot.
Now, I'm sure this post is going to be flooded with tons of people saying "what's the problem? I don't want to counterfit money." Neither do I, but I'm still worried about this. It sets a precedent for software being crippled to suit the government. This is no different in principle from having an email program that alerts the department of homeland security when you send emails that advocate terrorism. It's our right to have all of the finest tools for breaking every law imaginable so long as we do not exercise them. That means owning guns, copies of the anarchist's cookbook, whatever. That's what the second amendment is all about...the founding fathers did not trust the government to disarm us, and rightly so. I have the right to be able to counterfit money...it's only once I actually counterfit money that the Government has a right to tell me what I can and cannot do.
Oh, that's cool? Could I ask you another question? What's sarcasm?
I hear they parked it in some dock in a marsh, and it slowly sunk into the muck. By the way, what does RTFA stand for?
What do you expect the guys at sun to do if they turn the development of Java over to the open-source community? Sure, open standards are great, and so is OSS, but don't forget, Sun is a commercial entity that needs to make money. Why would anyone invest in Sun or take them seriously when they don't exercise control over their flagship product anymore? If you want a free, open language, try using c++ with gcc. I'm sure the good folks at Sun like trying to make the best possible software, but you can't expect them to destroy their company for a shot at making their software even better.
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than finding some uber-secret in an old videogame. I often wonder why we don't see more developers putting uber-secrets in their games...the search for stuff can keep people interested in a game for years. Look at that little room in echo base in Shadows of the Empire...I must've spent days running around, looking for some kind of clue as to how to get up there...
Middle-aged women have always been playing card games, bored games, etc. Now they don't play scrabble with the neighbors, they do it with strangers on the internet.
Real gaming is interesting to me because it's something new, or at least a significant transformation. There's nothing surprising or interesting about learning that middle aged women are taking their solitaire games online. Yawn.
However, pure capitalism is a horrible thing. Like health care? Social security? Retirement? How about weekends? All of those things are contrary to capitalism, and corporations will be more than happy to slash all of those in the name of profits as soon as we let them.
Remember, corporations want to take us back to 1900, before all of that commie hippie bullshit started up. I'm not saying that they're evil or something, but capitalism cares about only one thing, and that is the profits of the guy on top. There's no use in questioning the guy on top, because all he's doing is realizing the objectives of a business in a capitalist society. Capitalism is a powerful system, the most successful economic system in history, but in its purest form it destroys everyone but the richest. That's why we must always temper capitalism with enough socialist protections to stop the little guy from getting hosed.
Really, the only the reason there exists such a thing as a comfortable, dignified middle class is because people have been questioning capitalism since the foundation of this country. There's been a really strong push lately to purify capitalism in this country, and this current wave of outsourcing is just another indication of this trend.
Thank you captain obvious. The point of this entire discussion is that we are being complicit in gutting our white-collar work-force. In other words, we are allowing them the opportunity to make use of those skills at our expense. Through protectionist legislation we have the power to stop that from happening, and I am arguing that we ought to exercise that power.
...but it's no good unless you are able to take advantage of the invention.
Considering that it's the US that invested all of this money in creating an environment that made the computer revolution possible, it's foolish now to allow the greed of American companies to squander it. Sure, all knowledge is eventually interrelated, but what I'm saying is that we can either keep tech dollars here and strengthen the economy and government that we rely on for our lives, or we can pillage our tax revenue and our consumer economy to benefit people living in India for corporate profits. It seems like a pretty simple choice to me.
..the US produced the computer industry as it exists today, and were it not for the dot-com boom, the web as we know it today would not exist. The only reason so many untrained people over here were able to make so much money was because there was an amazing revolution going on. Poor investing aside, no one can argue that the US has not created the modern computing industry as it exists today, and we have years of experience going back to the days of the mainframes. India, on the other hand, appears to have contributed precisely jack shit to all of this, and it's very understandable that they're going to want to want a piece of the pie now that they can just go buy a book and pirate a copy of windows XP and take advantage of the American computer revolution. The US should implement protectionist policies immediately, much like those India is implementing to keep US programmers from competing with Indian workers for their own jobs. Considering it was the US' commitment to education and entrepreneurship that created this world of technology, we have every right to introduce legislation to stop corporate greed from giving the benefit to others.
The older kernels aren't really useful for most things we associate linux with...if you need a stripped-down kernel for an embedded device, local root holes don't matter.
...where doing things in ASM isn't educational, it's torture. If you want to make kids lean how to do things in ASM, that's fine...but anything more than that is a waste of time. ASM is all well and good, but most CS curricula fail to put it in its proper contex. Nowadays, you use ASM in small functions where speed is absolutely imperative. Learning how to shave a few cycles off a nested loop in C++ is useful...making kids spend hours hunting for typos when pushing the stack is just a waste of everyone's time.
I would personally have students start in a C++ compiler, and have them drop down to ASM and write a print function...then say ok, on to the next thing, but you get to use printf() whenever you want, etc.
There is only one way to write a given statement, but how you combine those statements is where you run into infinite possibilities. There may be only one way to get an openGL context, but what you do with that once you have it is up to you. Exactly what programs are you referring to? You don't know much about programming if you think you can make ANYTHING useful with mere drag-n-drop programming.
You just don't get it. The inflexibility of Java that you refer to is about SYNTAX. You give a human being a piece of an assembly line, and he can make ONE thing, and there's only ONE way to do it. You give a human being a computer, and he can design anything, from software that will create vivid 3d animations ala toy story, to an e-commerce server, to a piece of software that simulates the human voice. Furthermore, there are an infinite number of ways that any one of those pieces of software may be produced.
Besides, what the hell would a "mechanical programmer" do, anyways? Maintain existing code? Port code to other architectures? Extend existing software to new hardware? No matter what kind of programming you're doing, you need to be able to understand how making any single change affects the entire program. There is really no such thing as programming that can be likened to a form of manufacture simply because there are no programming tasks that can be written in a simple "when you see A do B" form. If there were, anyways, we'd have the computer doing it.
I have absolutely no idea how this got moderated +5 interesting. What are you trying to say, here? That Google isn't "in the content business?" Of course Google isn't in the content business...that's why they're called a search engine, not a "content engine." They find other people's content for you...that's how a search engine works.
There was no "editorial comment." They change the logo to reflect an important event in history on any given day...it just so happened that Gaston Julia's birthday was that day. They're a search engine, and they want to promote their searching ability...why would they waste time and money hiring someone to write an article about fractals?
I'm not trying to flame or anything, but what exactly where you trying to say?
And I hate to put it in these terms, but I don't see a whole lot of difference between a certain class of writers and manufacturing jobs. I mean, isn't that the whole point of languages like English? To structure things so tightly that writers are basically just there to put pre-built words together in a certain order? Does it really less skill to assemble a car engine than to make a novel?
*end spoof*
There's no similarity between programming and manufacturing, since the goal of manufacturing is to reproduce a given design as quickly and cheaply as possible, whereas the goal of programming is to create the design that is reproduced.
That's true, but the very activity of subverting a government is by definition something that is outside of the city's laws. Though our founding fathers foresaw that we would someday need to topple our own government, and they gave us certain freedoms that would aid us in that fight, there was never any expectation that the government would be complicit. Subversive activity is what this country was founded upon, and it was certainly looked upon as just by the founding fathers in the right situation. The important distinction is between that which is right within the context of a country's laws and what is ultimately right. Many of our country's greatest heroes triumphed by breaking the law...just look at MLK Jr, for example.
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Tragedy isn't just measured in terms of the number of people killed. Though most of us spend our entire lives seeking our own comfort and profit, there are some who are willing to risk their lives to advance the entire enterprise known as science, enriching all of our lives. More perished in that accident than flesh and bone...they were carrying with us our very hopes and dreams. You may look at it as a loss for the shuttle's crew and their families, but I see it as a loss for everyone who's ever looked at the stars and imagined touching the sky's blue roof. The death of a starving boy is pitiable beyond description, but the death of our dreams is truly tragic.
A bunch of corrupt, greedy bastards have been trying to screw him over for years, and he's supposed to count his blessings?
What the hell are you doing on slashdot? I've got news for you buddy, here we STICK it to THE MAN....ALL DAY LONG.
Well, I don't watch tv at all because it's mindless trash...but that's neither here nor there. I just refuse to play their recruitment tools...the same way I'd slam the door on any recruiter that showed up at my house.