AMD quietly adopted Rambus, and even went as far as to make it so their next generation CPU will not take anything but Rambus.
AMD licensed RDRAM to cover that base in case thats the way the market goes. As far as their next generation CPU (I assume you're talking about the K8) only working with RDRAM, that's the first I've heard about it. Where did you get that info, do you have a link? Are you sure you're not thinking of Intel's next generation processor, the Willamette?
All of this started just because Microsoft bundled their Internet Explorer with their OS. Hmm... Doesn't Red Hat Linux ship with Netscape installed??? Is that the same thing???
You've missed the point entirely. A monopoly is bound by a different set of laws than normal companies. Red Hat is not a monopoly. MS is a monopoly.
I use both Red Hat and microsoft products and I'd have to say that this break up will not only hurt the economy but also hurt the computer industry.
"THE" computer industry? That's a rather broad term. I know I won't be harmed by this.
I mean how many flavors of operating systems do we really want out there?
As many as people care to make. The more, the merrier.
Its bad enough try to get companies to support 3 or 4 OSes, but what happens when there are more? I'm afraid that because of this things are going to become even MORE incompatible.
This will help create a level playing field where companies can decide what OSes to support, instead of allowing MS the bully to dictate/coerce others into making their decisions. Choice is good.
As far as compatibility, an argument could be made that this will encourage open standards and thus IMPROVE intercompatibility.
I have been told not to base a server on Athlon because of power consumption/heat/stability problems. How is it, can it claim 100% uptime for a few years (an intel-level server lifespan)?
I've had no problems with my Athlon 500, it's been flawless. There's none yet that can claim 100% uptime for a few years, seeing as how Athlons have only been around 8 months or so. But check back in a couple years, I'll let you know.:)
You could use an Athlon on a low-end (1 CPU) server, easily. Look for the Mustang (an enhanced Athlon) towards the 2nd half of 2000. From amd.com:
"Mustang is planned to be an enhanced version of Thunderbird, featuring a reduced core size, lower power requirements and large, full-speed, on-die L2 cache. Multiple versions of the Mustang core are planned to be targeted at the high-performance server/workstation, value and high-performance desktop, and mobile markets. "
I know Tyan will be making SMP motherboards for Athlon by Q4, possibly others will, as well.
Of course, since most of the people selling themselves as "web programmers" are undegreed kids with little formal knowledge, there's a lot of crap floating around. Until employers value experienced professionals with the proper credentials (instead of thinking that every kid with green hair and a stud through his tounge is a web expert), there's little hope for a standard of quality on the web.
Is that some resentment I hear?
And why do you assume your idea of "proper credentials" is the same as anyone else's? It's obvious you're an engineer and not a project manager. Most business-minded folk don't care about earrings, the color of someone's hair, or even their programming style. All they care about is getting the job done. And there's not a lot of people to choose from, so it's a matter of priorities. And guess what? Programming style is not high on that list of priorities.
From the look of things, it's the K6-2/3 line which is pretty much already spoken for, so if you want one of those, you are probably going to have to search for it. On the other hand, you might as well get a low-end Athlon or a budget Duron anyway and you get the advantages of a 21164-derived FPU which scrags any Intel processor and a nine-way instruction scheduler. Oh, and against the Celeron, both the Athlon and the Duron have 200MHz buses in contrast to the 66MHz one on the Celery. Take your pick... it's not hard... I'll not rush you...
1) The K6-2/3 line is being phased out. 2) The Duron IS an Athlon. Duron is the product name that was announced today at the AMD shareholders meeting for the low-end Athlon that is to compete with (and kick the ass of) Celeron. We've known about this chip for quite some time now, up until today it was codenamed "Spitfire". Expect a name to be announced in the near furure for the high-end Athlon counterpart of the Spitfire, codenamed "Thunderbird" (faster/smaller die/more cache). For servers/SMP, expect ultra-high end Athlon toward the end of the year that for now is code-named "Mustang".
I typically drive 95 mph when the traffic will allow it (I don't drive during rush hour). I live in Silicon valley and have found that fortunately there are never cops along 880 and 237. Most people drive about 70, which I find strange.
Is that even though this company (AMD) has a great product that everyone wants, and is making money, etc.. the stock price will likely still be low, and might even drop on this news, thanks to those fscking day traders who can't tell the difference between an OS and a hardware manufacturer.
Get a clue, please. The investment community is not *THAT* stupid. I've invested all the cash I have on AMD, and the stock price has gone from 18 to 85 in the 6 months that the Athlon has been selling, and is continuing to climb.
Daytraders have no real effect on price aside from making it more volatile in the (very) short term.
Bottom line: Are you willing to sacrifice the future of the entire Internet to avoid the minor inconvenience of a few sleazy pornographers?
I think you got this part wrong. What you meant to say is...
Bottom line: Are you willing to sacrifice the rights of all adult Americans to avoid the inconvenience of a few lazy parents having to take responsibility for their own children?
As Ben Frankin said (paraphrased), "someone who is willing to sacrifice a little freedom for a little comfort is deserving of neither one".
AMD has been using Intel's fab for much of their production for the Athlons. So, if Intel is having a hard time producing even their own chips in volume, don't expect them to devote more resources to making more Athlons for AMD
??? Intel producing Athlons for AMD? Wherever did you get that idea? I find that highly unlikely. Can you substantiate this rumor?
After all, they are still less than 10% of the overall market.
Less than 10%? I CHALLENGE you to back this up with some proof. The numbers I've heard quoted were in the 16-17% range (now climbing).
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Althou it seems wonderful on the surface that AMD are selling like hotcakes, and profits are better than expected. this has some strong negative conotations to stock market analyst. The same nagativity that hit Intel so hard.
While some analysts are clueless and shortsighted (e.g., Ashok Kumar of Piper Jaffrey, who covers AMD and never has anything positive to say about AMD but has been forced to eat his hat time and time again over the past year due to AMD's tremendous success despite his naysaying), there are no "negative connotations" if AMD meets its sales projections by selling all available stock this early in the quarter, which it has done. Also, your comparison to Intel is wildly amiss. Intel's stock price has been dropping because: 1)They've spent tons of cash trying to push faulty technologies that no one is buying (i820 chipset, Rambus RDRAM) 2)They've had plenty of production problems, and can't even produce what they forecasted they could (AMD, by contrast, is ahead of production schedule). 3)Intel has been playing fast and loose with their bookkeeping. The only reason they came out $.02/share ahead of Q1 estimates last week is that they sold a bunch of stock in other companies that they owned and had bought for a lower price, thus beefing up their bottom line to not appear to be failing in their core business. Their sales due to microprocessors, however, was far BELOW expectations. People are beginning to wake up to Intel's shenannigans.
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That would be congratulations, with a strong word of caution. Production problems are the exact cause of Cyrix's troubles, and is also one of they key reasons that Texas Instruments is no longer in the business of manufacturing Intel-compatible CPUs.
You seem to be speaking out of ignorance. AMD is *NOT* having production problems. They are currently AHEAD of schedule ramping their Fab 30 plant in Dresden. Intel is having production problems; this, combined with the unexpected popularity of Athlons is why AMD is sold out.
Currently, AMD is producing more processors than they ever have before, with 1.8 million processors estimated to be produced this quarter.
We could register spam-the-spammers.org, and use it to co-ordinate our efforts.
Excellent idea. Count me in if you're ready to do it.
One other thing while we're on the subject: When junk mailers send you mail with "return postage paid" envelopes, seal the envelopes (empty) and drop them in the mail. It'll cost them to have the envelopes sent and decrease the cost-effectiveness of junkmailing people.
Personally, I don't think this will work that well. While the soldier may get enough nutrition from the patches, he'll get really hungry. The amount of nutrition a person gets has nothing to do with how hungry they get, which is determined by the amount of substance that's inside the person's stomach. It could work, however, if coupled with something, anything to eat.
Being a soldier means hanging tough and getting the job done. No, it might not be comfortable being hungry, but whether a soldier is comfortable or not isn't the issue. If the nutrition in the patch can keep the soldier on his toes instead of weak and weary, that's all that matters.
When you're standing knee-deep in mud with flies buzzing around the corpses all around you, staying alive is all that matters. Man, don't even get me started about the 'nam.
The big potentional I see for firewire is networking regular consumer electronics with computers. Having sort of plug'n'play networking for things like your TV, VCR, DVD player, stereo etc... so that you could control them from your PC and move data between them easily, then that would be cool
I saw something mentionted on ZDTV that cisco, compaq, micros~1, and (?)toshiba are developing a standard for home networking for PCs and household applicances that would work through your regular electrical sockets instead of ethernet.
The minor time of his dawn may be the minor time of your dusk, but it is on yOUr words that the sun will set. To spin the truth on four corners is aRt. To hide in the corner of your indoctrination is a lie.
come out and let the sun shine upon you, so that you may be free of alleged bliss.
No planemaker will rule the one who trods upon his own vertices...
Personally, I don't see how this is any different than a TV station which refuses to pull defamatory advertising. Just because it's the internet does not mean that you somehow have a license to broadcast defamatory materials.
That's the whole point. It's not the ISP that's doing the broadcasting. They're just the medium being used by the broadcaster (the poster).
And if you don't see the diff between TV stations and ISPs, consider: TV stations create their own content. ISPs create the space in which OTHERS can create content.
It's pretty clear to me that it's not an ISP's job to censor content that someone may or may not consider "defamatory". If someone has some legal issue with posted content, it should be taken up with the originator of the content, not the messenger (the ISP).
Several times computers that had the distributed.net client running on them were stolen, and the next time the theives hooked up the computer to an internet connexion, the computers sent their usual packets to distributed.net, along with their new IP addresses! The owners had the presence of mind to contact distributed.net, and were able to track down their computers and get them back. The theives never knew about the client as it was running in the background/running as a service on NT...
Yes, but those who reject the basic tenets of that religion are not participating in it.
My point being, what YOU consider to be the basic tenets of Christianity are not necessarily what someone else considers it to be.
So you're saying that one can be a Christian without the Bible? That's an interesting notion. Would you care to clarify?
The Bible is only a book. Worshipping any object, no matter how beneficial it is, is idolatry, a form of spiritual blindness. Ironically, this is something the Bible tries to teach, but through mistranslation and misinterpretation, this is often not understood by many Christians.
In any case, you're trying to change the subject. I notice you make no attempt to refute my observation that the Quakers are, in fact, leftists. That's the key point here.
No, not trying to change the subject at all. I think some of the other things you said make perfect sense. If the Quakers being/not being Christians is irrelevant to your point, why bother denigrating their religious views?
The Quakers pose as Christians, but they're not. They're a cult. They reject the Biblically-based doctrine of salvation by faith alone. I'm sorry, but if you reject a basic tenet of the Christian religion, you're not a Christian. I don't care if you accept the divinity of Christ and all that: It's all or nothing.
There are as many different kinds of Christianity as there are Christians. Everyone who participates in that religion has a unique view of what Christianity is and is not. So spare us the inflammatory rhetoric and stop pretending to be an authority on what constitutes Chrisitanity. Especially since you admit you're not a Christian yourself. The idolatry of Bible-worship, and one particular narrow view or set of views that come from it, is not the one-and-only definitive way to come to an understanding of Chrisitianity.
Being a Pakistani I was a bit offended by someone putting Pakistan in the same league as Ethiopia. But I will put that aside.
And being Ethiopian, I am offended by your insinuation that somehow Pakistan is better than Ethiopia. Until you examine your own chauvanist attitudes, you have no cause to complain about those of others.
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AMD quietly adopted Rambus, and even went as far as to make it so their next generation CPU will not take anything but Rambus.
AMD licensed RDRAM to cover that base in case thats the way the market goes. As far as their next generation CPU (I assume you're talking about the K8) only working with RDRAM, that's the first I've heard about it. Where did you get that info, do you have a link? Are you sure you're not thinking of Intel's next generation processor, the Willamette?
All of this started just because Microsoft bundled their Internet Explorer with their OS. Hmm... Doesn't Red Hat Linux ship with Netscape installed??? Is that the same thing???
You've missed the point entirely. A monopoly is bound by a different set of laws than normal companies. Red Hat is not a monopoly. MS is a monopoly.
I use both Red Hat and microsoft products and I'd have to say that this break up will not only hurt the economy but also hurt the computer industry.
"THE" computer industry? That's a rather broad term. I know I won't be harmed by this.
I mean how many flavors of operating systems do we really want out there?
As many as people care to make. The more, the merrier.
Its bad enough try to get companies to support 3 or 4 OSes, but what happens when there are more? I'm afraid that because of this things are going to become even MORE incompatible.
This will help create a level playing field where companies can decide what OSes to support, instead of allowing MS the bully to dictate/coerce others into making their decisions. Choice is good.
As far as compatibility, an argument could be made that this will encourage open standards and thus IMPROVE intercompatibility.
I have been told not to base a server on Athlon because of power consumption/heat/stability problems. How is it, can it claim 100% uptime for a few years (an intel-level server lifespan)?
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I've had no problems with my Athlon 500, it's been flawless. There's none yet that can claim 100% uptime for a few years, seeing as how Athlons have only been around 8 months or so. But check back in a couple years, I'll let you know.
You could use an Athlon on a low-end (1 CPU) server, easily. Look for the Mustang (an enhanced Athlon) towards the 2nd half of 2000. From amd.com:
"Mustang is planned to be an enhanced version of Thunderbird, featuring a reduced core size, lower power requirements and large, full-speed, on-die L2 cache. Multiple versions of the Mustang core are planned to be targeted at the high-performance server/workstation, value and high-performance desktop, and mobile markets. "
I know Tyan will be making SMP motherboards for Athlon by Q4, possibly others will, as well.
Of course, since most of the people selling themselves as "web programmers" are undegreed kids with little formal knowledge, there's a lot of crap floating around. Until employers value experienced professionals with the proper credentials (instead of thinking that every kid with green hair and a stud through his tounge is a web expert), there's little hope for a standard of quality on the web.
Is that some resentment I hear?
And why do you assume your idea of "proper credentials" is the same as anyone else's? It's obvious you're an engineer and not a project manager. Most business-minded folk don't care about earrings, the color of someone's hair, or even their programming style. All they care about is getting the job done. And there's not a lot of people to choose from, so it's a matter of priorities. And guess what? Programming style is not high on that list of priorities.
I didn't see any info about SMP support. If this is the case WOOHOO!
Um, that was supposed to be a joke.
Don't expect SMP until Q4.
From the look of things, it's the K6-2/3 line which is pretty much already spoken for, so if you want one of those, you are probably going to have to search for it. On the other hand, you might as well get a low-end Athlon or a budget Duron anyway and you get the advantages of a 21164-derived FPU which scrags any Intel processor and a nine-way instruction scheduler. Oh, and against the Celeron, both the Athlon and the Duron have 200MHz buses in contrast to the 66MHz one on the Celery. Take your pick ... it's not hard ... I'll not rush you ...
1) The K6-2/3 line is being phased out.
2) The Duron IS an Athlon. Duron is the product name that was announced today at the AMD shareholders meeting for the low-end Athlon that is to compete with (and kick the ass of) Celeron. We've known about this chip for quite some time now, up until today it was codenamed "Spitfire". Expect a name to be announced in the near furure for the high-end Athlon counterpart of the Spitfire, codenamed "Thunderbird" (faster/smaller die/more cache). For servers/SMP, expect ultra-high end Athlon toward the end of the year that for now is code-named "Mustang".
I typically drive 95 mph when the traffic will allow it (I don't drive during rush hour). I live in Silicon valley and have found that fortunately there are never cops along 880 and 237. Most people drive about 70, which I find strange.
Is that even though this company (AMD) has a great product that everyone wants, and is making money, etc.. the stock price will likely still be low, and might even drop on this news, thanks to those fscking day traders who can't tell the difference between an OS and a hardware manufacturer.
Get a clue, please. The investment community is not *THAT* stupid. I've invested all the cash I have on AMD, and the stock price has gone from 18 to 85 in the 6 months that the Athlon has been selling, and is continuing to climb.
Daytraders have no real effect on price aside from making it more volatile in the (very) short term.
Bottom line: Are you willing to sacrifice the future of the entire Internet to avoid the minor inconvenience of a few sleazy pornographers?
I think you got this part wrong. What you meant to say is...
Bottom line: Are you willing to sacrifice the rights of all adult Americans to avoid the inconvenience of a few lazy parents having to take responsibility for their own children?
As Ben Frankin said (paraphrased), "someone who is willing to sacrifice a little freedom for a little comfort is deserving of neither one".
with about 10% of sales
Hm, curious. Maybe the figures I heard quoted were for consumer PCs (as opposed to consumer + servers).
Or maybe the 10% of sales figure is by $ value as opposed to # of units sold (AMD has undercut Intel's prices, so that would make sense).
Thanks for the links.
AMD has been using Intel's fab for much of their production for the Athlons. So, if Intel is having a hard time producing even their own chips in volume, don't expect them to devote more resources to making more Athlons for AMD
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Intel producing Athlons for AMD? Wherever did you get that idea? I find that highly unlikely. Can you substantiate this rumor?
After all, they are still less than 10% of the overall market.
Less than 10%? I CHALLENGE you to back this up with some proof. The numbers I've heard quoted were in the 16-17% range (now climbing).
Althou it seems wonderful on the surface that AMD are selling like hotcakes, and profits are better than expected. this has some strong negative conotations to stock market analyst. The same nagativity that hit Intel so hard.
While some analysts are clueless and shortsighted (e.g., Ashok Kumar of Piper Jaffrey, who covers AMD and never has anything positive to say about AMD but has been forced to eat his hat time and time again over the past year due to AMD's tremendous success despite his naysaying), there are no "negative connotations" if AMD meets its sales projections by selling all available stock this early in the quarter, which it has done. Also, your comparison to Intel is wildly amiss. Intel's stock price has been dropping because:
1)They've spent tons of cash trying to push faulty technologies that no one is buying (i820 chipset, Rambus RDRAM)
2)They've had plenty of production problems, and can't even produce what they forecasted they could (AMD, by contrast, is ahead of production schedule).
3)Intel has been playing fast and loose with their bookkeeping. The only reason they came out $.02/share ahead of Q1 estimates last week is that they sold a bunch of stock in other companies that they owned and had bought for a lower price, thus beefing up their bottom line to not appear to be failing in their core business. Their sales due to microprocessors, however, was far BELOW expectations. People are beginning to wake up to Intel's shenannigans.
That would be congratulations, with a strong word of caution. Production problems are the exact cause of Cyrix's troubles, and is also one of they key reasons that Texas Instruments is no longer in the business of manufacturing Intel-compatible CPUs.
You seem to be speaking out of ignorance. AMD is *NOT* having production problems. They are currently AHEAD of schedule ramping their Fab 30 plant in Dresden. Intel is having production problems; this, combined with the unexpected popularity of Athlons is why AMD is sold out.
Currently, AMD is producing more processors than they ever have before, with 1.8 million processors estimated to be produced this quarter.
We could register spam-the-spammers.org, and use it to co-ordinate our efforts.
Excellent idea. Count me in if you're ready to do it.
One other thing while we're on the subject:
When junk mailers send you mail with "return postage paid" envelopes, seal the envelopes (empty) and drop them in the mail. It'll cost them to have the envelopes sent and decrease the cost-effectiveness of junkmailing people.
Personally, I don't think this will work that well. While the soldier may get enough nutrition from the patches, he'll get really hungry. The amount of nutrition a person gets has nothing to do with how hungry they get, which is determined by the amount of substance that's inside the person's stomach. It could work, however, if coupled with something, anything to eat.
Being a soldier means hanging tough and getting the job done. No, it might not be comfortable being hungry, but whether a soldier is comfortable or not isn't the issue. If the nutrition in the patch can keep the soldier on his toes instead of weak and weary, that's all that matters.
When you're standing knee-deep in mud with flies buzzing around the corpses all around you, staying alive is all that matters. Man, don't even get me started about the 'nam.
The big potentional I see for firewire is networking regular consumer electronics with computers. Having sort of plug'n'play networking for things like your TV, VCR, DVD player, stereo etc... so that you could control them from your PC and move data between them easily, then that would be cool
I saw something mentionted on ZDTV that cisco, compaq, micros~1, and (?)toshiba are developing a standard for home networking for PCs and household applicances that would work through your regular electrical sockets instead of ethernet.
The minor time of his dawn may be the minor time of your dusk, but it is on yOUr words that the sun will set. To spin the truth on four corners is aRt. To hide in the corner of your indoctrination is a lie.
come out and let the sun shine upon you, so that you may be free of alleged bliss.
No planemaker will rule the one who trods upon his own vertices...
Personally, I don't see how this is any different than a TV station which refuses to pull defamatory advertising. Just because it's the internet does not mean that you somehow have a license to broadcast defamatory materials.
That's the whole point. It's not the ISP that's doing the broadcasting. They're just the medium being used by the broadcaster (the poster).
And if you don't see the diff between TV stations and ISPs, consider:
TV stations create their own content.
ISPs create the space in which OTHERS can create content.
It's pretty clear to me that it's not an ISP's job to censor content that someone may or may not consider "defamatory". If someone has some legal issue with posted content, it should be taken up with the originator of the content, not the messenger (the ISP).
Several times computers that had the distributed.net client running on them were stolen, and the next time the theives hooked up the computer to an internet connexion, the computers sent their usual packets to distributed.net, along with their new IP addresses! The owners had the presence of mind to contact distributed.net, and were able to track down their computers and get them back. The theives never knew about the client as it was running in the background/running as a service on NT...
Yes, but those who reject the basic tenets of that religion are not participating in it.
My point being, what YOU consider to be the basic tenets of Christianity are not necessarily what someone else considers it to be.
So you're saying that one can be a Christian without the Bible? That's an interesting notion. Would you care to clarify?
The Bible is only a book. Worshipping any object, no matter how beneficial it is, is idolatry, a form of spiritual blindness. Ironically, this is something the Bible tries to teach, but through mistranslation and misinterpretation, this is often not understood by many Christians.
In any case, you're trying to change the subject. I notice you make no attempt to refute my observation that the Quakers are, in fact, leftists. That's the key point here.
No, not trying to change the subject at all. I think some of the other things you said make perfect sense. If the Quakers being/not being Christians is irrelevant to your point, why bother denigrating their religious views?
The Quakers pose as Christians, but they're not. They're a cult. They reject the Biblically-based doctrine of salvation by faith alone. I'm sorry, but if you reject a basic tenet of the Christian religion, you're not a Christian. I don't care if you accept the divinity of Christ and all that: It's all or nothing.
There are as many different kinds of Christianity as there are Christians. Everyone who participates in that religion has a unique view of what Christianity is and is not. So spare us the inflammatory rhetoric and stop pretending to be an authority on what constitutes Chrisitanity. Especially since you admit you're not a Christian yourself. The idolatry of Bible-worship, and one particular narrow view or set of views that come from it, is not the one-and-only definitive way to come to an understanding of Chrisitianity.
Being a Pakistani I was a bit offended by someone putting Pakistan in the same league as Ethiopia. But I will put that aside.
And being Ethiopian, I am offended by your insinuation that somehow Pakistan is better than Ethiopia. Until you examine your own chauvanist attitudes, you have no cause to complain about those of others.
And why not?
Amazon is worth billions because of future profits!