I recognize that humanity has overpopulated the earth, that does not diminish my desire to have a child at some point.
It may not diminish your desire, but hopefully it alters your actions. At the very least I would hope you would choose have 1 or 2 and not 3 or more. If all couples had just 1 child the population would drop by 50% each generation (obviously with a time delay since people live much longer than one generation). 2 is steady state.
You are still not getting it. Chances are that if you are posting on here, then you are not part of the problem and any change or lack there of will have a negligible effect on the growth of the population overall but it could have an effect on the future diversity or lack there of in the human gene pool. If you want to curb over population, go preach a change in attitudes to the third world.
There's the/civilization's/ recognition of the limit, vs. the individual's desire to procreate, in the battle of need vs. freedom/rights. I recognize that humanity has overpopulated the earth, that does not diminish my desire to have a child at some point.
Humanity has done no such thing. Certain societies have lead to overpopulation of particular regions of our planet. Have you ever heard of the concept that you are responsible to your fellow man but not "for" them? You cannot take responsibility for the actions of others. Humanity is single homogeneous society.
You and like minded people in the "west" are doing our species more harm than good by limiting your choices and contributions to the human gene pool based on the irresponsible actions of other nations and cultures. Limiting the birth rate in the west does virtually nothing to halt the overall growth rate and absolutely nothing to curb the birth rate in those other regions while potentially limiting the genetic diversity of future generations to people living in the third world.
You can care for your neighbour but you are not their keeper.
Why have you taken steps to immigrate to Australia, rather than Canada?
Hmm.. let me take a swing at this
Nice climate - the only large city with snow in winter is Hobart. Canada.. nope, its snow central The beach is only an hour or so away from most living areas. Canada.. nope Good food from all the multiculturalism. Canada.. probably yes as well Nice population. Canada.. yep as well. Bitchin' exotic wildlife that would kill you as soon as look at you. Canada.. nope Crazy arsed politics . Hmm.. hard to find a country without political issues of one sort or another.
Oh yeah.. and something about the internet that Canada doesn't have.
You obviously have never been to Vancouver. The climate is very similar to New Zealand but a bit warmer in the summer. Beaches? You can walk to the beach from downtown Vancouver if you want and palm trees do survive outside all year round. Snow at sea level in Vancouver is a rarity but you can drive to the sky hills in about 30 minutes from downtown. In Vancouver, you will see virtually every ethnicity while walking around downtown.
If you want some adventure, you can go to the hills above North or West Vancouver and possibly run into a Grizzly bear or cougar if you really want some adventure and put your life at risk.
The ocean has plenty of wild life as well including Killer whales.
I'm not a mason or have any interest in supporting them but your post describes very well you values and priorities. You are too full of yourself to be useful to any organization. You need to grow up and realize that no man is an island. You cannot live as if you are the centre of the universe. Your arrogance and foul language is what is offensive. Nobody else is responsible for your mistaken belief that you are god but you. It is not that atheists don't believe in god, they just have such fragile egos that they cannot imagine that anyone but themselves could possibly be god and they fear the idea of not being in complete control of their universe.
What shows you hate veterans more? Using a wrong ship as a backdrop at a PR event, or torpedoing a bill that would give them jobs?
I don't know, why don't we talk about the first issue first before we move onto the next? Typical tactics, you change the subject. If you keep on doing that then no actual discussion occurs between us and you are just spouting rhetoric rather than engaging me in a conversation.
This is not the first time that the Democrats have been caught with their pants down with blunders like this. Back in 2006, they used an image of a Canadian Veteran when they were supposedly honouring American veterans. See:
A significant portions of delegates at the recent DNC apparently hate god and Israel too. There was an audible "boo" when either were mentioned. What's next? Book burning?
Doesn't matter now, damage has already been done. It's amazing how whenever the news media doesn't like a politician they will release half-truths, outright lies, and stuff taken out of context and plaster the world with it. Then a few days later a little snippet of, "Oh, we were bad, we're sorry, honest!"
What damage? In your own mind? Listen, the only people that see this as a problem had every intention of voting for Obama regardless of anything. You are a partisan.
Developing software costs time and money. I work for a living as a software development. Writing good software that does not crash all the time and takes into account multiple possibilities and user actions is hard.
Perhaps they should offer an ad free version or an unlock code to remove the ads for a flat fee. The GPL, much like Communism does not on a large scale. Once a project becomes large enough, it can no longer survive as a volunteer only endeavour.
The reality is that if you find something valuable then you should be willing to pay for it either through ads or a flat fee otherwise you are a freeloader/leach/lamer.
Vegetarians. You keep using that word, but I don't think it means what you think it means.
A lot of people don't. The phrase "I'm a vegetarian I only eat [chicken/fish]". Makes me want to slap the stupid out of people.
No, it is people like you living in the "first" world who think that vegetarians in the "third world" only eat fruits and vegetables. They don't eat red meat because it is too expensive but some do eat fish and poultry when it is available. In the third world, meat is expensive.
well Charlie did get banned from the app store for 1 year for finding a security hole. Perhaps they dont hate him but they got pretty miffed at him.
No, he was banned because he deliberately violated the terms of the appstore by creating a tool that collected end user information instead of disclosing the issue to apple.
So they think that people are better able to relate to a ripoff of http://www.benetton.com/ and swiss highway road signs? Sorry but I don't see how Metro is easier to relate. In fact, I would argue that our aging population will find it extremely confusing. Perhaps MSFT needs to stop trying so hard to be "cool" by appealing to hipsters instead of the general populace.
Metro is garbage and unimaginative. Skeuomorphism has a long history in both Mac OS and NeXT which are the ancestors of OS X and most people find the OS X interface to be more intuitive because of that attribute in the interface.
My advice would be to never hire these so-called designers for anything important. Let them continue to create hard to navigate "avant-garde" and hard to navigate websites slavishly copying the swiss industrial design school style. Keep your uncomfortable plastic chairs to yourself.
Two perfect examples of failed products by MSFT which were designed to appeal to hipsters are the KIN and the Zune. The latter's UI is the precursor to the Metro design language and people seemed to hate it.
MSFT needs to stop trying to be "cool" and concentrate on fixing their products like Sharepoint server, Office, SQL server and Windows server. Perhaps they could even release the.NET runtime on OS X and linux to compete with Mono and possibly offer Visual Studio on other platforms as well.
Is that that best you can do? Possible faked or overclocked CPU benchmarks? How about comparing default spec versus default spec? Those are pretty irrelevant if they were either falsified or on a device with an overclock because a "phone" is supposed to be usable in your pocket and have battery life measured in hours around at least a work day long rather than minutes.
Not that it is any of your business but I dual boot my iMac and I have parallels running Windows 8 Preview. I'm not a platform fanboy, but you obviously are. I have other interests like music, film making and photography outside of work. You must be incredibly boring if computers are your "life".
I don't have an MBA and I have nothing to do with marketing but good job on making a fool of yourself. Keep on going digging a deeper hole.
Variety is the spice of life, I suggest that you take up a hobby that is different from what you do for a living. I think you are confusing passion with obsession and the latter is not healthy. People are more likely to hire you if you have other interests outside of technology.
Good luck in your career. I hope that you find a way to broaden your horizons a bit.
I look forward to be being able to upgrade my iPhone 4S and iPad 3 to iOS 6 for "free" and later upgrading to iOS 7 next year again for "free".
Excellent choice of weasel words "being able to" as we all know your 4S hasn't got long to go, and as soon as the next ipad comes out, you will also flock to that. That's what gets me with apple fanatics; the tech is so great that they can't wait to replace it... Makes no sense to me, good technology in my opinion is hard to replace.
Weasel words? Is that the best you've got? Really? The iPhone came out a year ago and given than the iPhone 3GS is upgradable to iOS 6.x, it stands a good chance that even the iPhone 4 will be upgradable to iOS 7 next year when it comes out and the iPhone 4S will be as well as a virtual certainty given the history of past upgrades. The iPhone 4S has an A5 chip. Given that the iPad 2 will receive the iOS 6 upgrade, it is likely that the Retina iPad will also receive the iOS 7.x upgrade next year. The only weaselling I see is from you. Go back to wikipedia editing with your "weasel words" troll.
See: http://www.apple.com/ios/whats-new/ at the bottom, the recently discontinued 3GS will still get the iOS 6.x upgrade as will the iPad 2.
Apple was losing money because of the mac cloners when Steve Jobs returned.
What an utter load of crap. When Apple finally stopped the macintosh cloning they designed and sold an inexpensive mac, the classic. All that did was convert them from a niche player with high margins into a niche player with low margins. Thats when they turned unprofitable, but they had to try because the stakes were so high.
Listen pal, I "work" for a living as a software developer on the windows platform.
That doesnt change the fact that you are too young to have experienced the downfall of Apple. Apple went from market leader to niche in the 1980's, not the late 1990's like you seem to imagine.
Right, ASSUMING makes an ass out of "u".
The first computer I ever used was an Apple II in elementary school. I cut my teeth on LOGO and basic. My first computer at home was Sanyo XT Turbo that I learned basic on.
After that XT, I bought an Amiga 500, then an Amiga 2000HD. By 1996, I switch to Windows 95 on a Compaq Presario and I was a PC user exclusively at home until 2002 when I bought an eMac with OS X 10.2 (Jaguar) to supplement my PC. That PC was a 1U server that I had bought from an ISP firesale from Excite when the dotcom bubble burst. I bought a tower case that supported the Micro-ATX motherboard and bought a PCI graphics card for it.
I think you are remembering history incorrectly. I suggest that you "google" it because I'm not going to do it for you.
Poor you... throwing a tanti because you're not working on your preferred platform. Perhaps you might have managed it if you thought more like a tech and less like a market-droid.;)
I feel bad for you as you appear to have a learning disability. Perhaps I should use shorter sentences and single syllable words.
The computer I use at work is a tool to get "work" done. I use whatever platform I have to work with. That is what a "pro" does.
Back in the early 2000's, I was writing online e-commerce software using Perl and Mysql on linux.
People who think you just need to get out of tech.
Go be a lawyer somewhere. Or go into marketing.
Apple lost the desktop war because they refused to play and collaborate with others. They wanted the whole deal for themselves.
A lot of us grudgingly use Windows on the desktop, but at least we have a huge variety of choices of hardware to run on it. If Apple had won we'd all still be using beige Macs.
Apple was losing money because of the mac cloners when Steve Jobs returned. Choice? Variety? Really? Yeah, you could choose intel and get performance and quality or go with a crapshoot of various chipsets and AMD processors. BFD. In reality, you had very little choice. They all ran windows and had crapware on them unless if you built your own but most people did not do that.
Listen pal, I "work" for a living as a software developer on the windows platform. I am not a fanboy that dicks around with windows machines claiming to a "leet" because I take some off the shelf parts and assemble a PC like lego.
Most of the hours that have spent and continue to spend are in front of a windows box at "work". My macs are at home and I happen to like their build quality and OS X.
The funny thing is that some of my colleagues also have macs at home. Do you see a trend here? People who know windows backwards as forwards and are paid to know what they know often choose a different platform for home use.
I've been in the software game for over a decade. How about you?
He does not have a clue about how to run a business. You don't get ahead by sharing everything you make and helping out the competition. Business is "war" and the nice guys finish last.
Apple lost the last desktop war because they were too nice and gave MSFT access to early prototypes of the Lisa and Macintosh.
Do you all think that Bill Gates and MSFT got to where they are by being "nice"?
I think the Woz needs to permanently retire and enjoy the rest of his life. Because he has been out of the game, I don't consider his opinions to be worth more than the average joe on the street. I'm sorry but that is reality. As much as I might admire his contributions to the early days of personal computers, he has not done much in the past decade.
Found this sentence and did not read the article. The guy lucked out by being in the right place at the right time, and now he's spouting his confirmation bias to anyone who would listen. I'm also pretty sure he doesn't know what "confirmation bias" is.:-)
I don't know if you are being deliberately ironic or not. You are unwilling to listen to someone because they do not have a degree in computer science? Do "you" know what confirmation bias is? Apparently not. *Hint* It has nothing specific to do with computer science.
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Do they speak English in "fuck"?
They speak German in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fucking,_Austria
I recognize that humanity has overpopulated the earth, that does not diminish my desire to have a child at some point.
It may not diminish your desire, but hopefully it alters your actions. At the very least I would hope you would choose have 1 or 2 and not 3 or more. If all couples had just 1 child the population would drop by 50% each generation (obviously with a time delay since people live much longer than one generation). 2 is steady state.
You are still not getting it. Chances are that if you are posting on here, then you are not part of the problem and any change or lack there of will have a negligible effect on the growth of the population overall but it could have an effect on the future diversity or lack there of in the human gene pool. If you want to curb over population, go preach a change in attitudes to the third world.
Sorry, that should read "Humanity is NOT a single homogeneous society".
There's the /civilization's/ recognition of the limit, vs. the individual's desire to procreate, in the battle of need vs. freedom/rights.
I recognize that humanity has overpopulated the earth, that does not diminish my desire to have a child at some point.
Humanity has done no such thing. Certain societies have lead to overpopulation of particular regions of our planet. Have you ever heard of the concept that you are responsible to your fellow man but not "for" them? You cannot take responsibility for the actions of others. Humanity is single homogeneous society.
You and like minded people in the "west" are doing our species more harm than good by limiting your choices and contributions to the human gene pool based on the irresponsible actions of other nations and cultures. Limiting the birth rate in the west does virtually nothing to halt the overall growth rate and absolutely nothing to curb the birth rate in those other regions while potentially limiting the genetic diversity of future generations to people living in the third world.
You can care for your neighbour but you are not their keeper.
Sorry, that should be "ski" hills.
Why have you taken steps to immigrate to Australia, rather than Canada?
Hmm .. let me take a swing at this
Nice climate - the only large city with snow in winter is Hobart. Canada .. nope, its snow central .. nope .. probably yes as well .. yep as well. .. nope .. hard to find a country without political issues of one sort or another.
The beach is only an hour or so away from most living areas. Canada
Good food from all the multiculturalism. Canada
Nice population. Canada
Bitchin' exotic wildlife that would kill you as soon as look at you. Canada
Crazy arsed politics . Hmm
Oh yeah .. and something about the internet that Canada doesn't have.
You obviously have never been to Vancouver. The climate is very similar to New Zealand but a bit warmer in the summer. Beaches? You can walk to the beach from downtown Vancouver if you want and palm trees do survive outside all year round. Snow at sea level in Vancouver is a rarity but you can drive to the sky hills in about 30 minutes from downtown. In Vancouver, you will see virtually every ethnicity while walking around downtown.
If you want some adventure, you can go to the hills above North or West Vancouver and possibly run into a Grizzly bear or cougar if you really want some adventure and put your life at risk.
The ocean has plenty of wild life as well including Killer whales.
I'm not a mason or have any interest in supporting them but your post describes very well you values and priorities. You are too full of yourself to be useful to any organization. You need to grow up and realize that no man is an island. You cannot live as if you are the centre of the universe. Your arrogance and foul language is what is offensive. Nobody else is responsible for your mistaken belief that you are god but you. It is not that atheists don't believe in god, they just have such fragile egos that they cannot imagine that anyone but themselves could possibly be god and they fear the idea of not being in complete control of their universe.
I would write something insightful but then the copyright police would come after me for violating my own copyright.
What shows you hate veterans more? Using a wrong ship as a backdrop at a PR event, or torpedoing a bill that would give them jobs?
I don't know, why don't we talk about the first issue first before we move onto the next? Typical tactics, you change the subject. If you keep on doing that then no actual discussion occurs between us and you are just spouting rhetoric rather than engaging me in a conversation.
This is not the first time that the Democrats have been caught with their pants down with blunders like this. Back in 2006, they used an image of a Canadian Veteran when they were supposedly honouring American veterans. See:
http://michellemalkin.com/2006/10/07/dnc-supports-vetsbut-from-which-country/
A significant portions of delegates at the recent DNC apparently hate god and Israel too. There was an audible "boo" when either were mentioned. What's next? Book burning?
Doesn't matter now, damage has already been done. It's amazing how whenever the news media doesn't like a politician they will release half-truths, outright lies, and stuff taken out of context and plaster the world with it. Then a few days later a little snippet of, "Oh, we were bad, we're sorry, honest!"
What damage? In your own mind? Listen, the only people that see this as a problem had every intention of voting for Obama regardless of anything. You are a partisan.
sorry, no.
http://blog.macsales.com/14111-15-macbook-pro-with-retina-display-lessens-web-experience
http://www.robertotoole.com/2012/06/17/macbook-pro-retina-display/
etc...
Hence the question "is there any OS that handles this quite right?". Because we all know about iStuff, and we all know it doesn't.
Sorry but the OS does handling it properly but some websites and third party apps have not been updated to handle a higher DPI mode.
It's fucking close to water.
Developing software costs time and money. I work for a living as a software development. Writing good software that does not crash all the time and takes into account multiple possibilities and user actions is hard.
Perhaps they should offer an ad free version or an unlock code to remove the ads for a flat fee. The GPL, much like Communism does not on a large scale. Once a project becomes large enough, it can no longer survive as a volunteer only endeavour.
The reality is that if you find something valuable then you should be willing to pay for it either through ads or a flat fee otherwise you are a freeloader/leach/lamer.
Vegetarians. You keep using that word, but I don't think it means what you think it means.
A lot of people don't. The phrase "I'm a vegetarian I only eat [chicken/fish]". Makes me want to slap the stupid out of people.
No, it is people like you living in the "first" world who think that vegetarians in the "third world" only eat fruits and vegetables. They don't eat red meat because it is too expensive but some do eat fish and poultry when it is available. In the third world, meat is expensive.
well Charlie did get banned from the app store for 1 year for finding a security hole. Perhaps they dont hate him but they got pretty miffed at him.
No, he was banned because he deliberately violated the terms of the appstore by creating a tool that collected end user information instead of disclosing the issue to apple.
So they think that people are better able to relate to a ripoff of http://www.benetton.com/ and swiss highway road signs? Sorry but I don't see how Metro is easier to relate. In fact, I would argue that our aging population will find it extremely confusing. Perhaps MSFT needs to stop trying so hard to be "cool" by appealing to hipsters instead of the general populace.
Metro is garbage and unimaginative. Skeuomorphism has a long history in both Mac OS and NeXT which are the ancestors of OS X and most people find the OS X interface to be more intuitive because of that attribute in the interface.
My advice would be to never hire these so-called designers for anything important. Let them continue to create hard to navigate "avant-garde" and hard to navigate websites slavishly copying the swiss industrial design school style. Keep your uncomfortable plastic chairs to yourself.
Two perfect examples of failed products by MSFT which were designed to appeal to hipsters are the KIN and the Zune. The latter's UI is the precursor to the Metro design language and people seemed to hate it.
MSFT needs to stop trying to be "cool" and concentrate on fixing their products like Sharepoint server, Office, SQL server and Windows server. Perhaps they could even release the .NET runtime on OS X and linux to compete with Mono and possibly offer Visual Studio on other platforms as well.
Galaxy S III > Iphone 5
http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench2/search?q=Samsung+Galaxy+S+III
Is that that best you can do? Possible faked or overclocked CPU benchmarks? How about comparing default spec versus default spec? Those are pretty irrelevant if they were either falsified or on a device with an overclock because a "phone" is supposed to be usable in your pocket and have battery life measured in hours around at least a work day long rather than minutes.
Not that it is any of your business but I dual boot my iMac and I have parallels running Windows 8 Preview. I'm not a platform fanboy, but you obviously are. I have other interests like music, film making and photography outside of work. You must be incredibly boring if computers are your "life".
I don't have an MBA and I have nothing to do with marketing but good job on making a fool of yourself. Keep on going digging a deeper hole.
Variety is the spice of life, I suggest that you take up a hobby that is different from what you do for a living. I think you are confusing passion with obsession and the latter is not healthy. People are more likely to hire you if you have other interests outside of technology.
Good luck in your career. I hope that you find a way to broaden your horizons a bit.
I look forward to be being able to upgrade my iPhone 4S and iPad 3 to iOS 6 for "free" and later upgrading to iOS 7 next year again for "free".
Excellent choice of weasel words "being able to" as we all know your 4S hasn't got long to go, and as soon as the next ipad comes out, you will also flock to that. That's what gets me with apple fanatics; the tech is so great that they can't wait to replace it... Makes no sense to me, good technology in my opinion is hard to replace.
Weasel words? Is that the best you've got? Really? The iPhone came out a year ago and given than the iPhone 3GS is upgradable to iOS 6.x, it stands a good chance that even the iPhone 4 will be upgradable to iOS 7 next year when it comes out and the iPhone 4S will be as well as a virtual certainty given the history of past upgrades. The iPhone 4S has an A5 chip. Given that the iPad 2 will receive the iOS 6 upgrade, it is likely that the Retina iPad will also receive the iOS 7.x upgrade next year. The only weaselling I see is from you. Go back to wikipedia editing with your "weasel words" troll.
See: http://www.apple.com/ios/whats-new/ at the bottom, the recently discontinued 3GS will still get the iOS 6.x upgrade as will the iPad 2.
Apple was losing money because of the mac cloners when Steve Jobs returned.
What an utter load of crap. When Apple finally stopped the macintosh cloning they designed and sold an inexpensive mac, the classic. All that did was convert them from a niche player with high margins into a niche player with low margins. Thats when they turned unprofitable, but they had to try because the stakes were so high.
Listen pal, I "work" for a living as a software developer on the windows platform.
That doesnt change the fact that you are too young to have experienced the downfall of Apple. Apple went from market leader to niche in the 1980's, not the late 1990's like you seem to imagine.
Right, ASSUMING makes an ass out of "u".
The first computer I ever used was an Apple II in elementary school. I cut my teeth on LOGO and basic. My first computer at home was Sanyo XT Turbo that I learned basic on.
After that XT, I bought an Amiga 500, then an Amiga 2000HD. By 1996, I switch to Windows 95 on a Compaq Presario and I was a PC user exclusively at home until 2002 when I bought an eMac with OS X 10.2 (Jaguar) to supplement my PC. That PC was a 1U server that I had bought from an ISP firesale from Excite when the dotcom bubble burst. I bought a tower case that supported the Micro-ATX motherboard and bought a PCI graphics card for it.
I think you are remembering history incorrectly. I suggest that you "google" it because I'm not going to do it for you.
Poor you... throwing a tanti because you're not working on your preferred platform. Perhaps you might have managed it if you thought more like a tech and less like a market-droid. ;)
I feel bad for you as you appear to have a learning disability. Perhaps I should use shorter sentences and single syllable words.
The computer I use at work is a tool to get "work" done. I use whatever platform I have to work with. That is what a "pro" does.
Back in the early 2000's, I was writing online e-commerce software using Perl and Mysql on linux.
Troll harder next time.
People who think you just need to get out of tech.
Go be a lawyer somewhere. Or go into marketing.
Apple lost the desktop war because they refused to play and collaborate with others. They wanted the whole deal for themselves.
A lot of us grudgingly use Windows on the desktop, but at least we have a huge variety of choices of hardware to run on it. If Apple had won we'd all still be using beige Macs.
Apple was losing money because of the mac cloners when Steve Jobs returned. Choice? Variety? Really? Yeah, you could choose intel and get performance and quality or go with a crapshoot of various chipsets and AMD processors. BFD. In reality, you had very little choice. They all ran windows and had crapware on them unless if you built your own but most people did not do that.
Listen pal, I "work" for a living as a software developer on the windows platform. I am not a fanboy that dicks around with windows machines claiming to a "leet" because I take some off the shelf parts and assemble a PC like lego.
Most of the hours that have spent and continue to spend are in front of a windows box at "work". My macs are at home and I happen to like their build quality and OS X.
The funny thing is that some of my colleagues also have macs at home. Do you see a trend here? People who know windows backwards as forwards and are paid to know what they know often choose a different platform for home use.
I've been in the software game for over a decade. How about you?
He does not have a clue about how to run a business. You don't get ahead by sharing everything you make and helping out the competition. Business is "war" and the nice guys finish last.
Apple lost the last desktop war because they were too nice and gave MSFT access to early prototypes of the Lisa and Macintosh.
Do you all think that Bill Gates and MSFT got to where they are by being "nice"?
I think the Woz needs to permanently retire and enjoy the rest of his life. Because he has been out of the game, I don't consider his opinions to be worth more than the average joe on the street. I'm sorry but that is reality. As much as I might admire his contributions to the early days of personal computers, he has not done much in the past decade.
>> "I don't have a computer science degree"
Found this sentence and did not read the article. The guy lucked out by being in the right place at the right time, and now he's spouting his confirmation bias to anyone who would listen. I'm also pretty sure he doesn't know what "confirmation bias" is. :-)
I don't know if you are being deliberately ironic or not. You are unwilling to listen to someone because they do not have a degree in computer science? Do "you" know what confirmation bias is? Apparently not. *Hint* It has nothing specific to do with computer science.