Hey! Don't ride on the shirtail of my fabulous second post assmuncher!!! Who cares about people downloading pervo-porn anyway? Everyone does it. Only a few have the balls to admit it.
Dude... what is your problem? Some people enjoy anime, let them be. Personally, I enjoy anime AND I'm married. So much for your theory about pimply faced teens that can't get any action. My wife watches it with me and enjoys it just as much as I do. The story lines are facinating and MUCH more interesting than most movies with flesh and blood people in them. Of course I also enjoy porn... nuthin' wrong with that either. My wife agrees on that point too. Methinks YOU may have been the pimply faced teen with no action. Come on... admit it. You'll be a lot happier once you do and move on...
After having worked all the way from grunt to manger in the IT world, I would have to say that there is no such thing as an expert. A lot of this has to do with marketroids (as in, people who are good at selling themselves even if they have no true ability) coming up with ways to make themselves appear to have more value. In reality, I've found that the most knowledgable people in the IT world are uncertified and in a lot of cases don't even have a computer science degree. I've also seen lots of "experts" who don't know a damn thing, but are able to convince others that they know everything. Two examples based on actual people I know:
1. "Dan": He dresses pretty well and fits into the conservative mold. Khakis, and a casual dress shirt. Maybe a tie on some days. He only runs the "latest and greatest" at home. Mostly Microsoft, but has toyed with Linux and BSD a bit. Kind of idolizes Bill Gates. He went to a good private college and got an MBA. He is an MCSE now and makes sure everyone knows about it as well as some of his other "qualifications". He's moved from one company to the next commanding between a $60,000 and $170,000 a year salary. But... HE DOESN'T ACTUALLY DO ANYTHING!!! Most of his time, he convinces the execs that he works with to outsource the work HE'S supposed to be doing! He is moderately knowledgable with regard to computers, but he doesn't have the D.I.Y. ethic. Instead he knows lots of other people who can do his work for him. (I used to be one of them) The only time he will lift a finger to do any work is when he is doing something for himself. He is NOT a computer "expert", he is a salesman of himself!
2. "John": John wasn't a CS major. He was actually in Communications (Audio production, like myself). When he was done with school, he went to work in a warehouse loading boxes on trucks. He had a pretty difficult time finding a decent job for a while. He worked through several temp agencies too and the jobs all sucked. Eventually, he got a job working at a company that managed insurance DBs. He befriended the admin there and managed to move through a handful of positions until the company folded. He then got a job working as an admin for a non-profit (with a little help from a friend) as their assistant admin. When the admin departed, he was promoted to admin himself. He runs a Windows NT based network and I have to say it's MUCH better run than most corporate networks. All of the Windows systems are always kept up to date on all the latest patches from M$, the latest virus defs and he is constantly working out better scripts to make things more automated. He has recently started exploring Linux as well. Sure... he doesn't command the salary that "Dan" does, but he has more ability than "Dan". "John" is also an MCSE, but he got it much later than "Dan" and kind of spurns it because he feels that most of his knowledge is better measured by what he does than a piece of paper.
"John" is certainly more of an expert than "Dan" in terms of computer knowledge, but you wouldn't guess that at first glance if you heard the things people say about both of them. Your assumption would be that "Dan" is the expert. Well... "Dan" is going to wind up costing you a lot more than "John" and the quality of "Dan's" "work" is dubious.
I myself have a great reputation where I work for being "the guy that can fix everything and do it without breaking a sweat". I also have an MCSE, but I really don't care. I only got it to prove how easy it is to get one. I had the ability well before I had the paper.
The short of it:
"There are no experts. There are only those who know, and those who don't. Paper isn't going to change that in any way."
This is not a journalistic endeavour. It's basically a blog. No news is being reported here, only links to other content. Then the comments... well, I've seen some of the comments and I would hardly call them journalism. If you want independent journalism, you'll need to find a real SOURCE of information, not just a forum.
I personally hate the competitive aspect of the typical MMORPGs. That's why I've never gotten into them. I tend to like cooperative situations more, but Myst was one of THE best games to ever come out IMNSHO. I also really enjoyed the sequels Riven and Exile. The games left me wanting more though, and it looks like they are getting ready to deliver!:)
One more note... the game "Lighthouse" (From Sierra) was awsome as well. While many people probably percieved it as somewhat of a Myst ripoff, I thought it was very innovative for it's time. They had much nicer graphics and better sound/music. However, it felt more SciFi than Fantasy when compared to Myst. Anyone else here ever tried Lighthouse?
This COULD be Microsoft finally publicly acknowledging that Linux is a competing platform. But I would doubt it. I sense two threats here:
1. This is a trojan horse in the truest sense of the word. To get Microsoft positioned to hold a portion of the distribs for ransom, or force some kind of proprietary/non-proprietary distrib fork that would fragment the mainstream adoption of Linux.
2. The positive attention to Linux may be too much and too soon. Especially if the push is to the "desktop". The general public is not ready for Linux. Hell, they aren't even ready for Windows in most cases. The real issue is getting OEM installations of Linux (SuSE, RedHat, doesn't matter... just make sure it's well configured and that all the hardware works out of the box) Also, include caveats about what this box WILL work with and what it won't: Software and hardware compatibility.
I mentioned in one of my earlier columns (for those that keep up with the T4D Chronicle) a while back that if "Joe Average" out there keeps hearing and reading about Linux on the mainstream press without knowledge of what Linux REALLY is, they may be in for disappointment.
The mainstream press just touts "Linux" but there is no explanation of the finer points. The public should be made aware that most distribs are very different and that they themselves are NOT Linux. They are built on top of Linux. The problem is that "Joe Average" doesn't care. He only wants to know: "Can I get AOL on it? Can I play the latest and greates games on it? Can I download pr0n on it? Can I do "work" on it (Office applications, etc... You know, the pointless stuff.) ?
In a lot of ways the distribs are the software equivalent of the PC. A consistent lower layer; the kernel. The essential "expansion cards"; libraries, base authentication, shell. And finally the optional "expansion cards"; XFree86, Gnome, KDE, etc... This is a great oversimplification, but it suffices for this discussion. Linux is to software as beige boxes are to hardware. That's why so many of us "geeks" love it.
RedHat, SuSE, Mandrake and other distrib vendors are the software parallel to Alienware or Explorer Micro. Here is where ther is a problem. "Joe Average" is expecting from Alienware exactly the same thing that HP or Dell promise: "mouth breather support" and empty reassurance that he bought the right product. When he finds out that he needs to do some thinking for himself, he is going to get very annoyed. Even though RedHat and SuSE provide support, it's not the same. Read on to see why...
Think about this for a minute: How many "Joe Averages" in your life do you know who have bought a "beige box" and then complained to you about how it "never works" or "is always breaking/crashing/disconnecting from the internet, etc...". Now think about how many "Joe Averages" you know who bought HP, Compaq or Dell and complain just as much. I'll bet the beige boxes get more complaints. However, it has nothing to do with the HP or Dell being better than the beige boxes. It has to do with how good they are at making the customer FEEL like HP or Dell are better than the beige box vendors. Now... think about most "Joe Uber Geeks" you know. Which do they prefer, beige box or HP/Dell? Same with the OS... Linux or Windows? And that is where the problem with pushing Linux into the mainstream is right now. Unless Linux gets pre-installed at the factory on a "big name" (Doesn't have to be HP or Dell... could be an entirely new player.) box, has support for even the dumbest questions and lots of that "reassurance", it's going to leave a bad taste for the early noob adopters.
Don't get me wrong, I love Linux and use it exclusively at home. My family also uses it. The problem isn't the installer either... "Joe Average" SHOULDN'T BE installing ANY OS. At least not at this time. That's where the bad OS reputations come from; bad installation experiences.
As an aside, I will say this: I think the first Linux distrib that WILL take off with the "Average User" is the one that installs like an application rather than an OS. Think MacOS 7/8. What a beautiful installer! Just boot off the CD and you have... A DESKTOP! Something you already know how to use in 75% of the cases. How do you install the OS? Just run the setup off the CD and walk through the wizard in an environment that you are ALREADY familiar with (that "Desktop", remember?) If someone puts out a distrib that does that, then maybe... just maybe Linux (or any other OS) might be ready for "Joe Average" to install on his PC.
Damn this was funny! But then again so was that First Penis post up above.;) I wonder who posted that... Anyway, someone should mod the parent up as funny.
Ahhh... yes. My name. Many make the mistake of thinking that I am a troll. It actually is my opinion of the "uber-capitalists" on/. I think THEY are "Trolling for dollars". But the joke is lost on most of them. Which makes it all that much more entertaining. As far as implying that the above post was a troll. No, I didn't mean it that way. I was being "funny" in the hopes of getting modded as funny, but my humor often misses the mark as it's a little more European than most.
Heheheh... yeah. More karma. But of what variety? Negative or positive? Based on the secrets of moderation I read the other day, replying to trolls is "karma suicide". Gotta love it.
Actually, I would argue that there are far more applications for Unix servers than there are for Windows servers, but like another poster mentioned, you probably weren't referring to server platforms. Keep in mind though, there is NOTHING that you can't do on Unix that you can do on Windows with the exception of some games and the general instability. BTW, if you are running W.I.N.E. you can even catch a Microsoft Outlook/Outlook Express targetted worm. I challenge anyone to point out any useful, essential service that a Windows server provides that isn't matched by a Unix equivalent.
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Sure, but if you took the same box that you were using for Exchange and ran Linux with all the service needed to mimic Exchange (I'd recommend Horde) AND you added to that, Samba with PDC functionality, WINS, file and print sharing, a DHCP server, and DNS, you'd probably see that the Linux box performs just as well as the Windows box while running more tasks. Especially if you can the GUI. That's the one thing MS needs to get to; offer a way of completely disabling the GUI to increase performance. Then, maybe they will catch up to the performance that Linux has.
One more thing... There ARE only a few situations that warrant breaking the rules: Testing a theory, trying something new out in an experimental fashion and, a matter of life and death. IF Microsoft had secretly tested this out as a theory and then revealed it as a new discovery which was then subject to external review, the approach would have more appeal. Especially if after the review, the approach was found to have positive merit with no negative effects.
I would hazard to guess that you may feel that if Microsoft did this and it was beneficial to them, then they had no obligation to share it with anyone else since it would result in a "competitive edge". This would be where I disagree with most people. I do not believe in keeping secrets for personal gain. Again, this is MY perspective. Probably not yours.
Anyone CAN argue anything. It all depends on what your viewpoint is. This particular argument has a big gray area. You aren't right and neither am I depending on what your worldview is.
My viewpoint is that all rules should be adhered to regardless of whether there is benefit in breaking them since (from my perspective) those rules were created to prevent problems. IF what Microsoft has done proves to be benficial AND doesn't cause any kind of problem for non-Microsoft platforms, then the approach will likely be appended to the standard protocol. In this case Microsoft would have truly innovated. However, I think it's unlikely since, from a logical perspective, their approach seems sloppy. It's like the idiots who just close a telnet or ftp window without appropriately quitting the session. To point back to an argument I made a few weeks ago, it's like this:
When I walk home from work in downtown Cleveland, there are occasions where I come up to a DON'T WALK sign. There may be no traffic on the road, but I refuse to cross the street no matter if it will save me time or not. Even if I am running late to or from work. The amount of time I save is not worth the possibility of being ticketed for jay walking or getting hit by a car I didn't see. I always adhere to the rules simply because I feel that this is the "right" thing to do. When the light changes, I cross. Even if I am surrounded by people who choose to cross the street when the light says not to, I still stand my ground and do not cross. It's a very logical approach and if everyone did this, we'd have far fewer problems in the world.
The modification of standard HTTP behavior, when weighed against my worldview, is wrong. If Microsoft wanted to make this change and it really was good for the rest of the world, they should have formally called for a modification of the HTTP protocol in the open. This way everyone benefits and Microsoft gets the benfit of being seen as a REAL innovator. But doing it behind closed doors solely to prop up their own software with possible detrimental effects (due to the absence of peer review) smacks of shadiness. Not to mention that it also seems to be the same sort of careless approach that I mentioned above when people incorrectly end telnet and ftp sessions. Very much akin to hitting the power button on a PC because one is too lazy to halt the system properly. Sure... it doesn't cause any apparent damage immediately, but it could.
Overall, I don't claim to be right, but I refuse to say that you are either. It's all about perspectives.
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Sir... you are indeed mistaken. I admin all of my Windows machines at work with rdesktop. My Microsoft skillset is a lot larger than 90% of most admins and it's still only %10 of what I know when compared to my UNIX skillset. Most UNIX admins tend to be much better at cross-platform than Windows admins. Oh yeah... I'm an MCSE too but I don't tend to spread that around since it really doesn't mean much.
Now you're just trolling... stop being ridiculous. If you don't like Linux, then don't use it. I don't like Windows, so I avoid it when I can. Most logical approach either way. Actions are always louder than words.
I am not averse to using IE when I have to. And perhaps I am a bit anal when it comes to following the rules. A lot of other people aren't, yourself included. I have no intention to change your mind. But my mind is made up. It isn't good for the HTTP protocol. If it was, it would have been part of the protocol. These rules aren't just made up as we go along, they are defined with purpose and reason. Therefore, the speed difference makes no difference to me as long as I know that my brwoser follows the rules. As I said before, no sour grapes here, just someone who likes to follow the rules. If you would have seen a post I put in another thread a few days ago you would have seen that. I follow the rules even if they are inconvenient for me, as long as they make everything better for others.
OK. That's cool. I can respect that. I like people who follow the rules. I just like to break them sometimes as a social statement, but never for personal gain. BTW, the "vendetta" thing I mentioned in my last post was just MY vendettas against certain other folks on this forum. I do use another non-troll account (with seriously good karma) to post my real serious posts.
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Mod this up! It's VERY funny! 7.8.9.10.11.12.13.14.15.16.17.18.19.20.POST!!!
Hey! Don't ride on the shirtail of my fabulous second post assmuncher!!! Who cares about people downloading pervo-porn anyway? Everyone does it. Only a few have the balls to admit it.
Dude... what is your problem? Some people enjoy anime, let them be. Personally, I enjoy anime AND I'm married. So much for your theory about pimply faced teens that can't get any action. My wife watches it with me and enjoys it just as much as I do. The story lines are facinating and MUCH more interesting than most movies with flesh and blood people in them. Of course I also enjoy porn... nuthin' wrong with that either. My wife agrees on that point too. Methinks YOU may have been the pimply faced teen with no action. Come on... admit it. You'll be a lot happier once you do and move on...
Ummm... the obligatory:
IN SOVIET RUSSIA FLESH POLE DOES YOU!!!
Sorry folks... it was just asking for it.
Agreed. I also miss Sierra. They had some great games.
Woohoo! Hey, we agree on something! Paper doesn't necessarily mean a damn thing. I posted something similar earlier: "There are no experts".
You could also argue that homer's ass isn't much different from say... Columbus Ohio.
After having worked all the way from grunt to manger in the IT world, I would have to say that there is no such thing as an expert. A lot of this has to do with marketroids (as in, people who are good at selling themselves even if they have no true ability) coming up with ways to make themselves appear to have more value. In reality, I've found that the most knowledgable people in the IT world are uncertified and in a lot of cases don't even have a computer science degree. I've also seen lots of "experts" who don't know a damn thing, but are able to convince others that they know everything. Two examples based on actual people I know:
1. "Dan": He dresses pretty well and fits into the conservative mold. Khakis, and a casual dress shirt. Maybe a tie on some days. He only runs the "latest and greatest" at home. Mostly Microsoft, but has toyed with Linux and BSD a bit. Kind of idolizes Bill Gates. He went to a good private college and got an MBA. He is an MCSE now and makes sure everyone knows about it as well as some of his other "qualifications". He's moved from one company to the next commanding between a $60,000 and $170,000 a year salary. But... HE DOESN'T ACTUALLY DO ANYTHING!!! Most of his time, he convinces the execs that he works with to outsource the work HE'S supposed to be doing! He is moderately knowledgable with regard to computers, but he doesn't have the D.I.Y. ethic. Instead he knows lots of other people who can do his work for him. (I used to be one of them) The only time he will lift a finger to do any work is when he is doing something for himself. He is NOT a computer "expert", he is a salesman of himself!
2. "John": John wasn't a CS major. He was actually in Communications (Audio production, like myself). When he was done with school, he went to work in a warehouse loading boxes on trucks. He had a pretty difficult time finding a decent job for a while. He worked through several temp agencies too and the jobs all sucked. Eventually, he got a job working at a company that managed insurance DBs. He befriended the admin there and managed to move through a handful of positions until the company folded. He then got a job working as an admin for a non-profit (with a little help from a friend) as their assistant admin. When the admin departed, he was promoted to admin himself. He runs a Windows NT based network and I have to say it's MUCH better run than most corporate networks. All of the Windows systems are always kept up to date on all the latest patches from M$, the latest virus defs and he is constantly working out better scripts to make things more automated. He has recently started exploring Linux as well. Sure... he doesn't command the salary that "Dan" does, but he has more ability than "Dan". "John" is also an MCSE, but he got it much later than "Dan" and kind of spurns it because he feels that most of his knowledge is better measured by what he does than a piece of paper.
"John" is certainly more of an expert than "Dan" in terms of computer knowledge, but you wouldn't guess that at first glance if you heard the things people say about both of them. Your assumption would be that "Dan" is the expert. Well... "Dan" is going to wind up costing you a lot more than "John" and the quality of "Dan's" "work" is dubious.
I myself have a great reputation where I work for being "the guy that can fix everything and do it without breaking a sweat". I also have an MCSE, but I really don't care. I only got it to prove how easy it is to get one. I had the ability well before I had the paper.
The short of it:
"There are no experts. There are only those who know, and those who don't. Paper isn't going to change that in any way."
Can't get money without work. E-mail != work. Scumbag.
This is not a journalistic endeavour. It's basically a blog. No news is being reported here, only links to other content. Then the comments... well, I've seen some of the comments and I would hardly call them journalism. If you want independent journalism, you'll need to find a real SOURCE of information, not just a forum.
I personally hate the competitive aspect of the typical MMORPGs. That's why I've never gotten into them. I tend to like cooperative situations more, but Myst was one of THE best games to ever come out IMNSHO. I also really enjoyed the sequels Riven and Exile. The games left me wanting more though, and it looks like they are getting ready to deliver! :)
One more note... the game "Lighthouse" (From Sierra) was awsome as well. While many people probably percieved it as somewhat of a Myst ripoff, I thought it was very innovative for it's time. They had much nicer graphics and better sound/music. However, it felt more SciFi than Fantasy when compared to Myst. Anyone else here ever tried Lighthouse?
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... these are still more Apples-to-Apples with XP than the Linux Video Disk Recorder:
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This COULD be Microsoft finally publicly acknowledging that Linux is a competing platform. But I would doubt it. I sense two threats here:
1. This is a trojan horse in the truest sense of the word. To get Microsoft positioned to hold a portion of the distribs for ransom, or force some kind of proprietary/non-proprietary distrib fork that would fragment the mainstream adoption of Linux.
2. The positive attention to Linux may be too much and too soon. Especially if the push is to the "desktop". The general public is not ready for Linux. Hell, they aren't even ready for Windows in most cases. The real issue is getting OEM installations of Linux (SuSE, RedHat, doesn't matter... just make sure it's well configured and that all the hardware works out of the box) Also, include caveats about what this box WILL work with and what it won't: Software and hardware compatibility.
I mentioned in one of my earlier columns (for those that keep up with the T4D Chronicle) a while back that if "Joe Average" out there keeps hearing and reading about Linux on the mainstream press without knowledge of what Linux REALLY is, they may be in for disappointment.
The mainstream press just touts "Linux" but there is no explanation of the finer points. The public should be made aware that most distribs are very different and that they themselves are NOT Linux. They are built on top of Linux. The problem is that "Joe Average" doesn't care. He only wants to know: "Can I get AOL on it? Can I play the latest and greates games on it? Can I download pr0n on it? Can I do "work" on it (Office applications, etc... You know, the pointless stuff.)
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In a lot of ways the distribs are the software equivalent of the PC. A consistent lower layer; the kernel. The essential "expansion cards"; libraries, base authentication, shell. And finally the optional "expansion cards"; XFree86, Gnome, KDE, etc... This is a great oversimplification, but it suffices for this discussion. Linux is to software as beige boxes are to hardware. That's why so many of us "geeks" love it.
RedHat, SuSE, Mandrake and other distrib vendors are the software parallel to Alienware or Explorer Micro. Here is where ther is a problem. "Joe Average" is expecting from Alienware exactly the same thing that HP or Dell promise: "mouth breather support" and empty reassurance that he bought the right product. When he finds out that he needs to do some thinking for himself, he is going to get very annoyed. Even though RedHat and SuSE provide support, it's not the same. Read on to see why...
Think about this for a minute: How many "Joe Averages" in your life do you know who have bought a "beige box" and then complained to you about how it "never works" or "is always breaking/crashing/disconnecting from the internet, etc...". Now think about how many "Joe Averages" you know who bought HP, Compaq or Dell and complain just as much. I'll bet the beige boxes get more complaints. However, it has nothing to do with the HP or Dell being better than the beige boxes. It has to do with how good they are at making the customer FEEL like HP or Dell are better than the beige box vendors. Now... think about most "Joe Uber Geeks" you know. Which do they prefer, beige box or HP/Dell? Same with the OS... Linux or Windows? And that is where the problem with pushing Linux into the mainstream is right now. Unless Linux gets pre-installed at the factory on a "big name" (Doesn't have to be HP or Dell... could be an entirely new player.) box, has support for even the dumbest questions and lots of that "reassurance", it's going to leave a bad taste for the early noob adopters.
Don't get me wrong, I love Linux and use it exclusively at home. My family also uses it. The problem isn't the installer either... "Joe Average" SHOULDN'T BE installing ANY OS. At least not at this time. That's where the bad OS reputations come from; bad installation experiences.
As an aside, I will say this: I think the first Linux distrib that WILL take off with the "Average User" is the one that installs like an application rather than an OS. Think MacOS 7/8. What a beautiful installer! Just boot off the CD and you have... A DESKTOP! Something you already know how to use in 75% of the cases. How do you install the OS? Just run the setup off the CD and walk through the wizard in an environment that you are ALREADY familiar with (that "Desktop", remember?) If someone puts out a distrib that does that, then maybe... just maybe Linux (or any other OS) might be ready for "Joe Average" to install on his PC.
Damn this was funny! But then again so was that First Penis post up above. ;) I wonder who posted that... Anyway, someone should mod the parent up as funny.
Ahhh... yes. My name. Many make the mistake of thinking that I am a troll. It actually is my opinion of the "uber-capitalists" on /. I think THEY are "Trolling for dollars". But the joke is lost on most of them. Which makes it all that much more entertaining. As far as implying that the above post was a troll. No, I didn't mean it that way. I was being "funny" in the hopes of getting modded as funny, but my humor often misses the mark as it's a little more European than most.
Heheheh... yeah. More karma. But of what variety? Negative or positive? Based on the secrets of moderation I read the other day, replying to trolls is "karma suicide". Gotta love it.
Actually, I would argue that there are far more applications for Unix servers than there are for Windows servers, but like another poster mentioned, you probably weren't referring to server platforms. Keep in mind though, there is NOTHING that you can't do on Unix that you can do on Windows with the exception of some games and the general instability. BTW, if you are running W.I.N.E. you can even catch a Microsoft Outlook/Outlook Express targetted worm. I challenge anyone to point out any useful, essential service that a Windows server provides that isn't matched by a Unix equivalent.
Sure, but if you took the same box that you were using for Exchange and ran Linux with all the service needed to mimic Exchange (I'd recommend Horde) AND you added to that, Samba with PDC functionality, WINS, file and print sharing, a DHCP server, and DNS, you'd probably see that the Linux box performs just as well as the Windows box while running more tasks. Especially if you can the GUI. That's the one thing MS needs to get to; offer a way of completely disabling the GUI to increase performance. Then, maybe they will catch up to the performance that Linux has.
One more thing... There ARE only a few situations that warrant breaking the rules: Testing a theory, trying something new out in an experimental fashion and, a matter of life and death. IF Microsoft had secretly tested this out as a theory and then revealed it as a new discovery which was then subject to external review, the approach would have more appeal. Especially if after the review, the approach was found to have positive merit with no negative effects.
I would hazard to guess that you may feel that if Microsoft did this and it was beneficial to them, then they had no obligation to share it with anyone else since it would result in a "competitive edge". This would be where I disagree with most people. I do not believe in keeping secrets for personal gain. Again, this is MY perspective. Probably not yours.
Anyone CAN argue anything. It all depends on what your viewpoint is. This particular argument has a big gray area. You aren't right and neither am I depending on what your worldview is.
My viewpoint is that all rules should be adhered to regardless of whether there is benefit in breaking them since (from my perspective) those rules were created to prevent problems. IF what Microsoft has done proves to be benficial AND doesn't cause any kind of problem for non-Microsoft platforms, then the approach will likely be appended to the standard protocol. In this case Microsoft would have truly innovated. However, I think it's unlikely since, from a logical perspective, their approach seems sloppy. It's like the idiots who just close a telnet or ftp window without appropriately quitting the session. To point back to an argument I made a few weeks ago, it's like this:
When I walk home from work in downtown Cleveland, there are occasions where I come up to a DON'T WALK sign. There may be no traffic on the road, but I refuse to cross the street no matter if it will save me time or not. Even if I am running late to or from work. The amount of time I save is not worth the possibility of being ticketed for jay walking or getting hit by a car I didn't see. I always adhere to the rules simply because I feel that this is the "right" thing to do. When the light changes, I cross. Even if I am surrounded by people who choose to cross the street when the light says not to, I still stand my ground and do not cross. It's a very logical approach and if everyone did this, we'd have far fewer problems in the world.
The modification of standard HTTP behavior, when weighed against my worldview, is wrong. If Microsoft wanted to make this change and it really was good for the rest of the world, they should have formally called for a modification of the HTTP protocol in the open. This way everyone benefits and Microsoft gets the benfit of being seen as a REAL innovator. But doing it behind closed doors solely to prop up their own software with possible detrimental effects (due to the absence of peer review) smacks of shadiness. Not to mention that it also seems to be the same sort of careless approach that I mentioned above when people incorrectly end telnet and ftp sessions. Very much akin to hitting the power button on a PC because one is too lazy to halt the system properly. Sure... it doesn't cause any apparent damage immediately, but it could.
Overall, I don't claim to be right, but I refuse to say that you are either. It's all about perspectives.
Sir... you are indeed mistaken. I admin all of my Windows machines at work with rdesktop. My Microsoft skillset is a lot larger than 90% of most admins and it's still only %10 of what I know when compared to my UNIX skillset. Most UNIX admins tend to be much better at cross-platform than Windows admins. Oh yeah... I'm an MCSE too but I don't tend to spread that around since it really doesn't mean much.
Now you're just trolling... stop being ridiculous. If you don't like Linux, then don't use it. I don't like Windows, so I avoid it when I can. Most logical approach either way. Actions are always louder than words.
I am not averse to using IE when I have to. And perhaps I am a bit anal when it comes to following the rules. A lot of other people aren't, yourself included. I have no intention to change your mind. But my mind is made up. It isn't good for the HTTP protocol. If it was, it would have been part of the protocol. These rules aren't just made up as we go along, they are defined with purpose and reason. Therefore, the speed difference makes no difference to me as long as I know that my brwoser follows the rules. As I said before, no sour grapes here, just someone who likes to follow the rules. If you would have seen a post I put in another thread a few days ago you would have seen that. I follow the rules even if they are inconvenient for me, as long as they make everything better for others.
OK. That's cool. I can respect that. I like people who follow the rules. I just like to break them sometimes as a social statement, but never for personal gain. BTW, the "vendetta" thing I mentioned in my last post was just MY vendettas against certain other folks on this forum. I do use another non-troll account (with seriously good karma) to post my real serious posts.
Sorry. Not l33t j03.
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