What makes you think that identity theft/online fraud is not rampant?
Why would this not be a simple way to get started?
For the sociopathic, who don't care about getting caught, it's a slam dunk; login, transfer the money and the crime is complete. The tricky part is trying to find somewhere to transfer it to that you can get at but which can't be traced back to you.
Has anyone seen spam about job vacancies, handling payments and sending money via western union and similar services?
As if this wasn't complex enough already. The poster says, with shortening:
Private keys are used for SSH, SSL, etc, public keys are used for the secure exchange of that key. If the private half of the public key pair is known, that SS* key exchange is not secure, and there is no need to be TOLD the SS*'s key: it is handed to any listener who knows the private key that fits the public key used to initiate the session.
Now that's oversimplified, and the last bit's wrong, but anyway; you say, again abbreviated:
Unless you use DH to produce the symmetric session key, so you don't have to send an encrypted key. The asymmetric keys are used for authentication and don't encrypt the session key or data in any meaningful way.
_I_ say:
Who says he didn't? You are wrong in subtle ways. Is authentication not meaningful? Anyway, he's talking about using "public keys [...] for the _secure_ exchange" of a session key. I understand that to mean authentication. As an aside, can you provide me with a public key I can trust? What will you do, send it in an email? Put it on a home page?
DH or a close variant is often used internally in session (SS*/VPN/IPSec) protocols, for the interested reader.
You propose to use pub/private keys to prove you are you. Here's how that works:
1) we meet in a seedy alley, trust each other by some real world mechanism and swap public keys. 2) use these for the DH exchange, eliminating MTM. That's really good. 3) We connect, carry on a sophisticated exchange of ideas, bomb plans etc. 4) The cops grab me, legally I have to give them my private key and I do.
Can you explain what happens now? Hint: The next contact you have with me is correctly authenticated.
Comms encryption is for comms. It's to stump a listener, live or recorded. Provided we don't log or record what's going on, then the only records are the recorded version they have, and memories in our heads. You are correct that using DH prevents them reconstructing the plaintext of the previous session, but this is the EXACT reason why "public keys are used for the _secure_ exchange" of a session key in th first place.
Question for the interested: If they have my private key, can they reconstruct our previous plaintext conversation from the captured packets, if we use DH? If we don't?
They don't want the keys for decryption. They want the keys for impersonation and evidence collection.
I think the Exxon Valdez has a hole in a nd is a good example of the problems of the MI Complex, so I don't know why it's mentioned here.
Selling weapons is ethically questionable -- A nation selling wepaons to other countries in this way is repugnant, and if nothing else serves to weaken the high moral pro-life stand of many powerful Americans.
Weapons may be well tested before they're depolyed, but they command a better price if you can show the client that they helped defeat such and such in a real battle, and experiences like the timing problems of the patriot anti-missile missile show that real world use is essential to discover all the little bugs. Besides, using up munitions means more must be purchased from GE.
Traditionally a "battle hardened" force is more effective than "Green" troops, but I agree that this is much less relevant in modern warfare. However, it helps that the next generation can remember individuals from the previous generation who fought and/or died for their country, it establishes a tradition of honour and nobility and defence of the flag etc etc etc.
He possibly got the ideas from John Ralston-Saul, a critical thinker. Perhaps the poster got these ideas from an objective observation of the things around him. The crusader is a massive artillery piece produced by a member of the Carlyle Group called United Defence. Find out more here:
I thought the whole idea of nanotech was to use nano sized particles.
As a general rule, particles this size are not encountered. Any exceptions you are thinking of typically are handled by professionals wearing appropriate respirators and equipment.
If however particles of this size appear in consumer products in the supermarket then this is different altogether -- do you see?
you wanted your CD Drives to not un-disappear? So you wanted them to not appear again -- I don't like this Star Force thing, it sounds awfully confusing.
I don't really fault the conclusion, but the logic is flawed -- until I can move from California to MySpace, then the risk of my children being involved in underage sex is is cumulative, not exclusive. By being on MySpace my children carry the risk of California AND the additional risk of MySpace.
Having said that then yes, it is a storm in a teacup.
Actually, Wessex was not able to absorb all of England, for as it began to do this, the Vikings arrived. This started with the sacking of the Monastery at Lindisfarne, in Bernicia, in 793. Eventually, Northumbria, East Anglia, Essex, and about the north-eastern half of Mercia were overrun and became part of the Danelaw. At first the Vikings raided, sacked, and carried off slaves, or were bought off with "protection" money -- "Danegelt" -- but then Danes and Norwegians began to establish their own Kingdoms. They also passed around to Ireland and the Isle of Man and began encroaching from the west on Wales and England. This finally led to the outright annexation of England to Denmark by King Canute in 1016, though the Danish Kings only lasted until 1042. A fair number of Danish words ended up in English, like "skiff," which is simply the Danish cognate of the English word "ship."
Well, what happens when you open an oil field is that it takes some time to ramp up. Start with a small rig, lay some pipelines, add more, larger rigs, bigger pipelines, more rigs etc. This provides the leading edge of the curve. This can be very steep in modern fields where many sophisticated high-capacity rigs are slapped in, as opposed to oil fields which were first exploited 50 years or so ago which used slower more incremental improvements, so different fields will have slightly different slope curves.
At some point, the oil is not under so much pressure and doesn't squirt out so much. Perhaps the oil men need to drill deeper, or sideways, or use other fancy techniques and so the take per day is reduced. This may go on for some time, forming a flattening of the peak at the top. Maybe. More often, and especially over the last 20 - 30 years, the field is run flat out for as long as possible, so production stops more quickly.
As production dwindles, other techniques come into play, like forcing in seawater under pressure to push the oil out (as in Saudi Arabia), and many of these can damage the field, reducing the long term extraction total in favour for a higher extraction rate today. As time goes on it becomes harder and more expensive to extract the oil (diminishing returns) and eventually it's just not worth it, so the field is closed down.
This is the idea, there's a curve for every well and every field. If you add all the curves together, then you get one big curve, whith "Hubbert's Peak" in teh middle (the geologist who first noticed the production bell curve).
Now the problem isn't that suddenly all the oil's gone when we wake up next tuesday, it's that this month/year we produced less than last month/year, but -- and this is the problem -- we use MORE than last month/year. Demand is growing faster than ever before, just at the time when the supply is starting to drop off. This causes price increases and countries can be expected to squabble over an oil supply which continues to become smaller.
As an aside, people like to say that "They've been prediciting this for years, it's never happened before so whay should it happen now?" The answer is that it's been predicted to happen now. I have a text book from 1954 (that's over 50 years ago) which predicted that demand would exceed supply around the year 2000 -- and you could argue that we are later that this because of improved extraction (not production, you extract oil) technology and because of a drop in consumption from teh late 70's oil shocks.
The supply/demand gap is a political and economic (and military?) problem in itself -- whether or not there's still enough oil to make all the toy for the happy meals might be a problem, but even if it isn't, the gap between supply and demand is a big enough problem all by itself.
peakoil.net is where to go to explore the argument in detail -- it's not a greenie thing, it's not a anti-american thing, it's to do with geology and chemistry. Beware of people who quote reserve figures, not only to countries lie outright about the figures, but quoting reserves is a potential -- you can't ever get every single barrel out of the ground and leave dry dust behind, lots remains and will never be extracted. As for scientists saving us, bear in mind that the warnings of peak and the warnings that alternatives like ethanol are almost useless are coming from eminent, experienced talented scientists. Science is not magic, if we're using too many joules per day then you can't just create it. I'm delighted to discuss why every alternative is doomed, try me at drose@dtlm.homelinux.net and I'll explain why I reckon population will halved in the next fifty years.
That's right in a certain sense, but ID isn't science, it belongs in Philosophy, I cannot understand why this hasn't been mentioned often and loudly. If there is a need for philosophy in US schools (and by God there surely is!) then there should be e philosophy class. Whether "wood shop" is dropped, or school extended by 20 mins a day or whatever, the choice needs to be made.
Teaching ID in science is like teaching maths during English. Certainly there are bits of one inside the other, but it still doesn't belong.
the US "patriot" act will never be abolished, and in fact, will pave the way for even greater acts of oppression. Don't belive it? Let's discuss this again in 50 years.
Fifty? Let's try 2. P2P networks host a 3-part BBC docco called "The Power of Nightmares", you should take a look.
It's clear to me. The USA will default on it's loans. Athens did, so it's an old trick.
As the crunch comes, the decision between losing a credit rating and a drop in foreign investment, or having to pay it all back will become easier to make.
Further, people of your (our? -- dob 1974) generation need to recognise our own history. After the Civil War, Napoleon, the Great War, the Great Depression, and WWII, it should be clear that being part of the wealthy west is not a certain barrier to poverty, misery and detah, just a temporary one. Frankly, the idea that there will be fast food and fast cars available for your grandchildren is silly, naieve and childish.
No, that's a happy side effect. The primary purpose is to repair the broken individual -- fix the problem -- and return to society.
Check your Plato.
If it were only deterrence then we'd just jump everything to 35 years flat and be done with it, wouldn't we? No? So there must be other factors involved then....
"unprecedented growth in wealth, standards of living, lifespans, health, comfort, and scientific development, but feel free to argue against those if you find them, too, to be un-human and extreme."
Well, these are also a function of the input of absolutely massive amounts of really really cheap energy, not just a political system. There's physics and thermodynamics active here also.
Any politcal system which can rapidly exploit available fossil fuels and other resouirces is perfectly capable of accruing the benefits stated.
It's a mistake to assume that because the USA is a capitalist superpower that it is the capitalism that makes it a superpower -- it rose at a time when many of the resources of Europe were already dwindling, and did not have to burn through resources in the two wars in quite the same way the Europeans did.
Accordingly, it's peaking later, that's all. Never forget that even Ethiopia used to be a superpower once....
Slashdot Mirror
What makes you think that identity theft/online fraud is not rampant?
Why would this not be a simple way to get started?
For the sociopathic, who don't care about getting caught, it's a slam dunk; login, transfer the money and the crime is complete. The tricky part is trying to find somewhere to transfer it to that you can get at but which can't be traced back to you.
Has anyone seen spam about job vacancies, handling payments and sending money via western union and similar services?
See? it is rampant...
And how does your experience with the USA's NSA under Clinton prove this guy wrong about a different law in a different country, x years later?
As if this wasn't complex enough already. The poster says, with shortening:
Private keys are used for SSH, SSL, etc, public keys are used for the secure exchange of that key. If the private half of the public key pair is known, that SS* key exchange is not secure, and there is no need to be TOLD the SS*'s key: it is handed to any listener who knows the private key that fits the public key used to initiate the session.
Now that's oversimplified, and the last bit's wrong, but anyway; you say, again abbreviated:
Unless you use DH to produce the symmetric session key, so you don't have to send an encrypted key. The asymmetric keys are used for authentication and don't encrypt the session key or data in any meaningful way.
_I_ say:
Who says he didn't? You are wrong in subtle ways. Is authentication not meaningful? Anyway, he's talking about using "public keys [...] for the _secure_ exchange" of a session key. I understand that to mean authentication. As an aside, can you provide me with a public key I can trust? What will you do, send it in an email? Put it on a home page?
Do I trust a key found somewhere in the domain http://ftoomch.sdf-eu.org/ ?
DH or a close variant is often used internally in session (SS*/VPN/IPSec) protocols, for the interested reader.
You propose to use pub/private keys to prove you are you. Here's how that works:
1) we meet in a seedy alley, trust each other by some real world mechanism and swap public keys.
2) use these for the DH exchange, eliminating MTM. That's really good.
3) We connect, carry on a sophisticated exchange of ideas, bomb plans etc.
4) The cops grab me, legally I have to give them my private key and I do.
Can you explain what happens now? Hint: The next contact you have with me is correctly authenticated.
Comms encryption is for comms. It's to stump a listener, live or recorded. Provided we don't log or record what's going on, then the only records are the recorded version they have, and memories in our heads. You are correct that using DH prevents them reconstructing the plaintext of the previous session, but this is the EXACT reason why "public keys are used for the _secure_ exchange" of a session key in th first place.
Question for the interested: If they have my private key, can they reconstruct our previous plaintext conversation from the captured packets, if we use DH? If we don't?
They don't want the keys for decryption. They want the keys for impersonation and evidence collection.
yes they are.
I think the Exxon Valdez has a hole in a nd is a good example of the problems of the MI Complex, so I don't know why it's mentioned here.
6 .html
Selling weapons is ethically questionable -- A nation selling wepaons to other countries in this way is repugnant, and if nothing else serves to weaken the high moral pro-life stand of many powerful Americans.
Weapons may be well tested before they're depolyed, but they command a better price if you can show the client that they helped defeat such and such in a real battle, and experiences like the timing problems of the patriot anti-missile missile show that real world use is essential to discover all the little bugs. Besides, using up munitions means more must be purchased from GE.
Traditionally a "battle hardened" force is more effective than "Green" troops, but I agree that this is much less relevant in modern warfare. However, it helps that the next generation can remember individuals from the previous generation who fought and/or died for their country, it establishes a tradition of honour and nobility and defence of the flag etc etc etc.
He possibly got the ideas from John Ralston-Saul, a critical thinker. Perhaps the poster got these ideas from an objective observation of the things around him. The crusader is a massive artillery piece produced by a member of the Carlyle Group called United Defence. Find out more here:
http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0218,gray,34384,
I thought the whole idea of nanotech was to use nano sized particles.
As a general rule, particles this size are not encountered. Any exceptions you are thinking of typically are handled by professionals wearing appropriate respirators and equipment.
If however particles of this size appear in consumer products in the supermarket then this is different altogether -- do you see?
Herbicides.
Monsanto produces GE roundup ready crops, so that you can use LOTS MORE herbicides and destroy all the other plants without harming your own crop.
Just thought I'd mention it. My concern isn't GE as such, I just think there's not enough control/testing/prevention of accidental release.
you wanted your CD Drives to not un-disappear? So you wanted them to not appear again -- I don't like this Star Force thing, it sounds awfully confusing.
I don't really fault the conclusion, but the logic is flawed -- until I can move from California to MySpace, then the risk of my children being involved in underage sex is is cumulative, not exclusive. By being on MySpace my children carry the risk of California AND the additional risk of MySpace.
Having said that then yes, it is a storm in a teacup.
Well there's your proof against intelligent design right there.
"The only thing the Danes ever killed anyone with was delicious confectionaries."
They were Vikings you goose!
http://www.friesian.com/germania.htm
Actually, Wessex was not able to absorb all of England, for as it began to do this, the Vikings arrived. This started with the sacking of the Monastery at Lindisfarne, in Bernicia, in 793. Eventually, Northumbria, East Anglia, Essex, and about the north-eastern half of Mercia were overrun and became part of the Danelaw. At first the Vikings raided, sacked, and carried off slaves, or were bought off with "protection" money -- "Danegelt" -- but then Danes and Norwegians began to establish their own Kingdoms. They also passed around to Ireland and the Isle of Man and began encroaching from the west on Wales and England. This finally led to the outright annexation of England to Denmark by King Canute in 1016, though the Danish Kings only lasted until 1042. A fair number of Danish words ended up in English, like "skiff," which is simply the Danish cognate of the English word "ship."
Well, what happens when you open an oil field is that it takes some time to ramp up. Start with a small rig, lay some pipelines, add more, larger rigs, bigger pipelines, more rigs etc. This provides the leading edge of the curve. This can be very steep in modern fields where many sophisticated high-capacity rigs are slapped in, as opposed to oil fields which were first exploited 50 years or so ago which used slower more incremental improvements, so different fields will have slightly different slope curves.
At some point, the oil is not under so much pressure and doesn't squirt out so much. Perhaps the oil men need to drill deeper, or sideways, or use other fancy techniques and so the take per day is reduced. This may go on for some time, forming a flattening of the peak at the top. Maybe. More often, and especially over the last 20 - 30 years, the field is run flat out for as long as possible, so production stops more quickly.
As production dwindles, other techniques come into play, like forcing in seawater under pressure to push the oil out (as in Saudi Arabia), and many of these can damage the field, reducing the long term extraction total in favour for a higher extraction rate today. As time goes on it becomes harder and more expensive to extract the oil (diminishing returns) and eventually it's just not worth it, so the field is closed down.
This is the idea, there's a curve for every well and every field. If you add all the curves together, then you get one big curve, whith "Hubbert's Peak" in teh middle (the geologist who first noticed the production bell curve).
Now the problem isn't that suddenly all the oil's gone when we wake up next tuesday, it's that this month/year we produced less than last month/year, but -- and this is the problem -- we use MORE than last month/year. Demand is growing faster than ever before, just at the time when the supply is starting to drop off. This causes price increases and countries can be expected to squabble over an oil supply which continues to become smaller.
As an aside, people like to say that "They've been prediciting this for years, it's never happened before so whay should it happen now?" The answer is that it's been predicted to happen now. I have a text book from 1954 (that's over 50 years ago) which predicted that demand would exceed supply around the year 2000 -- and you could argue that we are later that this because of improved extraction (not production, you extract oil) technology and because of a drop in consumption from teh late 70's oil shocks.
The supply/demand gap is a political and economic (and military?) problem in itself -- whether or not there's still enough oil to make all the toy for the happy meals might be a problem, but even if it isn't, the gap between supply and demand is a big enough problem all by itself.
peakoil.net is where to go to explore the argument in detail -- it's not a greenie thing, it's not a anti-american thing, it's to do with geology and chemistry. Beware of people who quote reserve figures, not only to countries lie outright about the figures, but quoting reserves is a potential -- you can't ever get every single barrel out of the ground and leave dry dust behind, lots remains and will never be extracted. As for scientists saving us, bear in mind that the warnings of peak and the warnings that alternatives like ethanol are almost useless are coming from eminent, experienced talented scientists. Science is not magic, if we're using too many joules per day then you can't just create it. I'm delighted to discuss why every alternative is doomed, try me at drose@dtlm.homelinux.net and I'll explain why I reckon population will halved in the next fifty years.
I learned everything I know about interplanetary trade from Elite.
... And you're reading slashdot.
That's right in a certain sense, but ID isn't science, it belongs in Philosophy, I cannot understand why this hasn't been mentioned often and loudly. If there is a need for philosophy in US schools (and by God there surely is!) then there should be e philosophy class. Whether "wood shop" is dropped, or school extended by 20 mins a day or whatever, the choice needs to be made.
Teaching ID in science is like teaching maths during English. Certainly there are bits of one inside the other, but it still doesn't belong.
the US "patriot" act will never be abolished, and in fact, will pave the way for even greater acts of oppression. Don't belive it? Let's discuss this again in 50 years.
Fifty? Let's try 2. P2P networks host a 3-part BBC docco called "The Power of Nightmares", you should take a look.
"Half mutated" babies abound as resutls of the use of Agent Orange and Depleted Uranium, but I don't think that's what you were really looking for.
more teens want/have to work than after ww2 -- it's the participation rate that's up.
It's clear to me. The USA will default on it's loans. Athens did, so it's an old trick.
As the crunch comes, the decision between losing a credit rating and a drop in foreign investment, or having to pay it all back will become easier to make.
Further, people of your (our? -- dob 1974) generation need to recognise our own history. After the Civil War, Napoleon, the Great War, the Great Depression, and WWII, it should be clear that being part of the wealthy west is not a certain barrier to poverty, misery and detah, just a temporary one. Frankly, the idea that there will be fast food and fast cars available for your grandchildren is silly, naieve and childish.
"The point of penalties for crime is deterrence"
No, that's a happy side effect. The primary purpose is to repair the broken individual -- fix the problem -- and return to society.
Check your Plato.
If it were only deterrence then we'd just jump everything to 35 years flat and be done with it, wouldn't we? No? So there must be other factors involved then....
"unprecedented growth in wealth, standards of living, lifespans, health, comfort, and scientific development, but feel free to argue against those if you find them, too, to be un-human and extreme."
Well, these are also a function of the input of absolutely massive amounts of really really cheap energy, not just a political system. There's physics and thermodynamics active here also.
Any politcal system which can rapidly exploit available fossil fuels and other resouirces is perfectly capable of accruing the benefits stated.
It's a mistake to assume that because the USA is a capitalist superpower that it is the capitalism that makes it a superpower -- it rose at a time when many of the resources of Europe were already dwindling, and did not have to burn through resources in the two wars in quite the same way the Europeans did.
Accordingly, it's peaking later, that's all. Never forget that even Ethiopia used to be a superpower once....
"programming the VCR and watching it later is 100% legit. no questions, no strings, no iffys. so why not use it?"
Not in Australia!!
morals are subjective and we don't share the same ones. Legal maybe, but in my book abortion's Ok but shooting someone isn't.
Just remember that there's nothing makes your beliefs better than mine, even if you are able to kill me to try to prove that there is.
If it's a tool, where's the constructive or creative use?
It's not a tool, it's a toy when fired at paper -- a sporting device, like a ball or bat. A recreational thing.
Guns are tools only when used to kill, eg a farmer putting down wounded stock.
Bear in mind that the idea is that you ensure that everyone meets the requirements.
IOW, set 'em to whatever you like, but it's then essential that you spend the cash to make sure everyone meets them.
It's called education.