No, they are being removed due to conflict of interest. Mining on web = no ads needed. If they removed just because a % went to developers then they'd remove every single app from the market since app developers take a % from sales or by using ads already. It's no different as long as it is told up front. This is simply a power play and everyone here needs to stop supporting Google just because it's crypto . Instead of removing obviously scammy or lying apps from the market, like they have to in EVERY SINGLE OTHER CASE, they just blanket banned _the_ alternative to taking ad revenue. This is purely about money.
I am glad you can still sideload but I wonder how long that will last and if Google will try to use the EU decision at all to remove apk loading. It'll be interesting. This move does what they want it to: doesn't bring a popular alternative method of money making Google can't take their cut from on their stores.
Isn't having a bigger nuke stock pile like having a bigger stick? I'm tired of these China does this right or that right and USA is weak. If people aren't afraid of us they'd be attacking us. So far it's the opposite. The countries talking the loudest are getting attacked/sanctioned from all sides.
Exactly this. This is just another hit piece article towards X winning company. Amazon (or any company) delivery is way more efficient than you going to get it yourself along side neighbors/tons of people going to work at a brick and mortar running all day long most days of the year. This article was probably paid for. Thanks news media.
Yes, I agree on the part of what you said. I'm very pro FOSS and I know Google enough to know it doesn't abide by the spirit of most (any?) FOSS license. My problem is that Google is still doing more than most companies and this ruling will just lock stuff down even more ultimately. People don't understand that it's not greener on the other side from government regulation. It's usually just a roadblock that companies work around by even worse trade offs.
They do permit competition. Just without the Play store. Amazon is fine with that. Multiple phone vendors are fine with that. Damn near any smartphone company that avoids having to write an entire OS from scratch because they get Android for free is fine with that.
Really I think Microsoft slaughtering Nokia had more of an effect than Google's supposed anti competition tactics. You just need a good company that can develop both software and hardware. You have that in Apple, you had that in Nokia. You barely have that in Google.
Of abuse of power and anti competitive behavior? Google's _FREE_ Android implementation that can be used in any form, just without the Play store, or EU's massive 5 billion dollar fine towards a company that barely competes in actual sales with other handset manufacturers. It's another case where the fine and punishment causes more of the harm it's intended to protect against than the actual supposed wrong doing.
EU is absolutely insane.
You want to raise taxes on people working and employing people to end up bringing more homeless people in and pushing businesses out which will reduce taxes taken in ultimately. I heard a large portion of these good climate self made homelessaires are healthy mid 20s people. Meanwhile let's blame Bezos on this because um his leadership works but your govs doesn't.
You like the others are just pitchfork carrying lemmings that are all welcoming the end of the cliff to jump off of. The conversations they had were completely civil banter where nobody got hurt except people who have worked over a decade losing their jobs (one a person who just defended the other). I stand by my comment saying that these peoples names and what they did will be forgotten within a week or two. There was no damage done to anyone but people who dedicated their lives to work for the company that stabbed them in the back for social comments. They obviously have to defend themselves time and time again and were exhausted from it. I've done it plenty of times myself but on IRC. Yes I regret statements I've made and will make in the future. There are repercussions of course but you guys actually wanting these people to be fired for some stupid isolated argument(s) is just horrifying. I would much rather people spoke their minds and removed the BULLSHIT PR VEIL that corporations love to hide behind so we know how they feel and can either be more supportive or understanding of the stress they are going through to do their jobs.
It might be amazing to you guys but companies have regular people who have regular feelings we all disagree with. Wanting them to be fired for expressing their current feelings is a worse outcome than them simply publicly bitching and griping. I'm all for yelling at them back on the platform of their choice and telling them to stfu but to actually want someone to lose their job, which these appear to do out of their own passion, is just asinine.
We need to get to the point where we help each other rather than knee jerk attack one another. Social platform doesn't matter, that is what I am trying. If you say it in a lunch room or on Facebook. Instead of hatred towards one another for thinking certain things, even if they aren't what we really feel or are just silly/wrong, we should go towards acceptance and help one another. Peace with freedom of speech. If you wanted to fire people for what they thought at moment XYZ then we'd all be fired a few times in our lives. At least if you let people say what is on their mind you have an understanding of where they are at at the moment and can adjust your hiring guidelines better in the future. Right now with the way corporations are ran only people tight lipped and either emotionless or worse really good at hiding things they are feeling are promoted and it's creating a sociopathic world. Less and less freedom is happening before our eyes and all we have are social justice warriors and others with frigging pitchforks ready to kill anyone with emotion.
I'm sick and tired of people losing jobs over social posts. Smearing people that have worked for decades because of a frigging tweet is way worse than the 5 minutes of bad press a company gets for stupid comments nobody will remember a week from now. Even ones that drive people to the streets do not matter. Internet idiots take themselves too seriously and think they are changing the world when in fact the only power they have now is getting random people fired for one off statements usually made in the heat of the moment. I'd rather 600 racially insensitive comments from someone than one smug asshole getting their social masturbation on by having someone fired for saying the sky is green when we all believe its blue.
No action? And then 11k projects comment below. Example well done of these knee jerk Musk hate comments. WTF are you doing to help PR? Anywhere close to 11k projects? I know they are already running hospitals off of his battery tech and it saved them a large power outage already.
I saw the only comments so far and as usual they are fuck Musk. Sorry, but I love the guy. This might be a press thing but who gives a fuck. If you are in a position to help with the top tech out there and offer help, then that is ABSOLUTELY GREAT. I hate these fucking socialist fucktards on here lately hating everything someone with money or tech does for others. It's not a bad thing if everyone is helped out in the end. Go screw yourselves instead assholes.
You do realize its worse if a company doesn't take advantage of what you have to offer? It's not very rewarding to have a job where you sit on your hands all day.
China undercuts the USA on steel and other parts. They print money for suppliers to use to offset costs so they are cheaper so they don't lose the production. I'm not saying bring production back to Indiana (but actually a lot of car parts are made in Indiana funny enough), but the USA in general. Tariffs are matching what other countries are already doing to us. It's one thing to have free global trade for stuff some countries are better at doing and it's another to lose 95% of production capacity because it just happens to be artificially free to produce steel in China. Free trade is like socialism, it's great in theory and then goes to hell in a hand basket when applied to communistic and dictatorship countries. We end up giving them tons of money and lose entire industries to them and have to deal with the pain later for short term profit gains. Meanwhile entire cities here in the USA are losing factory after factory and closing down small stores and restaurants which in turn reduces tax payers, etc.
Global trade is only good short term. The longer term answer is to suffer the higher costs of localized/national production and increase local competition to reduce those costs. That way we do not lose the know how and become stronger as a country in producing everything we need. Self contained eco systems are something a lot of liberal people love to tote. I'm not even sure why anyone promotes self deprecating globalism. I don't want lower price tags in the USA, in fact I want the opposite. Higher price tags and more people who can afford those higher price tags. You don't get that by losing jobs to chop shop/kid labor overseas. We can export our industries then and build USA led businesses in the other countries without being forced to open up our IP or have less than 50% share. Let other countries fail in the meantime due to their poorly ran economies not succeed because they are just cheap since they have no laws on pollution or are 300% government subsidized.
This is about production in the USA. They planned to move it out of the USA even before the tariffs. I'm perfectly happy if they sell the bikes in Indonesia that they build in Indonesia. I don't want any country to suffer less employment opportunities. USA dwarfs any other place on the map as far as sales. If you move production away from USA you'll hurt sales in USA. It shouldn't be about saving a % here and there. It should be about supporting the economy.. which is why a lot of people who buy HD also buy "Made in USA."
This too is bullshit since keeping the higher paid jobs here in the USA spreads the wealth to local service industry which creates more customers that can afford airpods and other imported chinese garbage. You think poor Chinese or Indonesian workers are buying Harley Davidson? No, USA factory and service workers are.
Blame the media. They'd rather cover Kardashians than the Whitsons or your local favorite city teacher. No expose on how education is done right or how programs that were started are actually doing with our tax payer money. If they do cover it it's done in the span of 30 seconds and rehashed nationally if it's headline worthy.
"Perhaps one day." Yeah, that will get 'er done vs doing spacewalks and manned flight and having the resources ready year in and out and training know how to do all of this safely. Perhaps one day we'll have automobiles. Perhaps one day we'll have blinking lights on a case people use to compute hard maths. Perhaps one day negative assholes will shove their heads so far up their ass they won't be able to post anymore.
Love this post. Thank you. Unfortunately it seems everyone is content in being consumers and more and more are born into this environment of not giving a fuck about freedoms.
+1 million. I almost think this outrage is actually governments just wanting to find a way to pass stricter laws against freedom so only the big corps can still contend while little companies go out of business trying to compete without billions of dollars. Nobody cares about pete's friend paul being known to XYZ company. Nobody. This is some bullshit crap to pass something none of us know of or to draw away eyes at something being passed that is worse than what these companies do.
I kind of giggle at stuff like this. I understand it offends but mocking current state of affairs actually helps relieve tension about it. I can even picture the pick your Avatar screens where you swipe between random socially dysfunctional white males. I say this after having a school shooting 2 miles from me and being genuinely worried and horrified for every child involved. You can have both laughter and absolute anger/disgust towards something. It's two entirely separate parts of you that each come from (at least in normal healthy people).
It blocks customers from using another provider outside Apple's ecosystem while providing no alternative for regular PC gaming on their line of smartphone devices. It's anti fair use, anti open source/technology, anti open market, and anti competition. I said you can't fault Apple for doing so since it is more profitable this way and I've argued in the past about slippery slope (once they allow Steam everyone will want to do it). But please spare me questions on how this is anti competition. It's the equivalent of Microsoft or Google blocking other search engines on their phones because they want ad revenue.
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No, they are being removed due to conflict of interest. Mining on web = no ads needed. If they removed just because a % went to developers then they'd remove every single app from the market since app developers take a % from sales or by using ads already. It's no different as long as it is told up front. This is simply a power play and everyone here needs to stop supporting Google just because it's crypto . Instead of removing obviously scammy or lying apps from the market, like they have to in EVERY SINGLE OTHER CASE, they just blanket banned _the_ alternative to taking ad revenue. This is purely about money. I am glad you can still sideload but I wonder how long that will last and if Google will try to use the EU decision at all to remove apk loading. It'll be interesting. This move does what they want it to: doesn't bring a popular alternative method of money making Google can't take their cut from on their stores.
Isn't having a bigger nuke stock pile like having a bigger stick? I'm tired of these China does this right or that right and USA is weak. If people aren't afraid of us they'd be attacking us. So far it's the opposite. The countries talking the loudest are getting attacked/sanctioned from all sides.
I assume most major countries against USA try to hack us. How come we just hear about Russia in the news?
Exactly this. This is just another hit piece article towards X winning company. Amazon (or any company) delivery is way more efficient than you going to get it yourself along side neighbors/tons of people going to work at a brick and mortar running all day long most days of the year. This article was probably paid for. Thanks news media.
Yes, I agree on the part of what you said. I'm very pro FOSS and I know Google enough to know it doesn't abide by the spirit of most (any?) FOSS license. My problem is that Google is still doing more than most companies and this ruling will just lock stuff down even more ultimately. People don't understand that it's not greener on the other side from government regulation. It's usually just a roadblock that companies work around by even worse trade offs.
They do permit competition. Just without the Play store. Amazon is fine with that. Multiple phone vendors are fine with that. Damn near any smartphone company that avoids having to write an entire OS from scratch because they get Android for free is fine with that.
Really I think Microsoft slaughtering Nokia had more of an effect than Google's supposed anti competition tactics. You just need a good company that can develop both software and hardware. You have that in Apple, you had that in Nokia. You barely have that in Google.
Of abuse of power and anti competitive behavior? Google's _FREE_ Android implementation that can be used in any form, just without the Play store, or EU's massive 5 billion dollar fine towards a company that barely competes in actual sales with other handset manufacturers. It's another case where the fine and punishment causes more of the harm it's intended to protect against than the actual supposed wrong doing. EU is absolutely insane.
You want to raise taxes on people working and employing people to end up bringing more homeless people in and pushing businesses out which will reduce taxes taken in ultimately. I heard a large portion of these good climate self made homelessaires are healthy mid 20s people. Meanwhile let's blame Bezos on this because um his leadership works but your govs doesn't.
You like the others are just pitchfork carrying lemmings that are all welcoming the end of the cliff to jump off of. The conversations they had were completely civil banter where nobody got hurt except people who have worked over a decade losing their jobs (one a person who just defended the other). I stand by my comment saying that these peoples names and what they did will be forgotten within a week or two. There was no damage done to anyone but people who dedicated their lives to work for the company that stabbed them in the back for social comments. They obviously have to defend themselves time and time again and were exhausted from it. I've done it plenty of times myself but on IRC. Yes I regret statements I've made and will make in the future. There are repercussions of course but you guys actually wanting these people to be fired for some stupid isolated argument(s) is just horrifying. I would much rather people spoke their minds and removed the BULLSHIT PR VEIL that corporations love to hide behind so we know how they feel and can either be more supportive or understanding of the stress they are going through to do their jobs. It might be amazing to you guys but companies have regular people who have regular feelings we all disagree with. Wanting them to be fired for expressing their current feelings is a worse outcome than them simply publicly bitching and griping. I'm all for yelling at them back on the platform of their choice and telling them to stfu but to actually want someone to lose their job, which these appear to do out of their own passion, is just asinine.
We need to get to the point where we help each other rather than knee jerk attack one another. Social platform doesn't matter, that is what I am trying. If you say it in a lunch room or on Facebook. Instead of hatred towards one another for thinking certain things, even if they aren't what we really feel or are just silly/wrong, we should go towards acceptance and help one another. Peace with freedom of speech. If you wanted to fire people for what they thought at moment XYZ then we'd all be fired a few times in our lives. At least if you let people say what is on their mind you have an understanding of where they are at at the moment and can adjust your hiring guidelines better in the future. Right now with the way corporations are ran only people tight lipped and either emotionless or worse really good at hiding things they are feeling are promoted and it's creating a sociopathic world. Less and less freedom is happening before our eyes and all we have are social justice warriors and others with frigging pitchforks ready to kill anyone with emotion.
I'm sick and tired of people losing jobs over social posts. Smearing people that have worked for decades because of a frigging tweet is way worse than the 5 minutes of bad press a company gets for stupid comments nobody will remember a week from now. Even ones that drive people to the streets do not matter. Internet idiots take themselves too seriously and think they are changing the world when in fact the only power they have now is getting random people fired for one off statements usually made in the heat of the moment. I'd rather 600 racially insensitive comments from someone than one smug asshole getting their social masturbation on by having someone fired for saying the sky is green when we all believe its blue.
No action? And then 11k projects comment below. Example well done of these knee jerk Musk hate comments. WTF are you doing to help PR? Anywhere close to 11k projects? I know they are already running hospitals off of his battery tech and it saved them a large power outage already.
I saw the only comments so far and as usual they are fuck Musk. Sorry, but I love the guy. This might be a press thing but who gives a fuck. If you are in a position to help with the top tech out there and offer help, then that is ABSOLUTELY GREAT. I hate these fucking socialist fucktards on here lately hating everything someone with money or tech does for others. It's not a bad thing if everyone is helped out in the end. Go screw yourselves instead assholes.
You do realize its worse if a company doesn't take advantage of what you have to offer? It's not very rewarding to have a job where you sit on your hands all day.
China undercuts the USA on steel and other parts. They print money for suppliers to use to offset costs so they are cheaper so they don't lose the production. I'm not saying bring production back to Indiana (but actually a lot of car parts are made in Indiana funny enough), but the USA in general. Tariffs are matching what other countries are already doing to us. It's one thing to have free global trade for stuff some countries are better at doing and it's another to lose 95% of production capacity because it just happens to be artificially free to produce steel in China. Free trade is like socialism, it's great in theory and then goes to hell in a hand basket when applied to communistic and dictatorship countries. We end up giving them tons of money and lose entire industries to them and have to deal with the pain later for short term profit gains. Meanwhile entire cities here in the USA are losing factory after factory and closing down small stores and restaurants which in turn reduces tax payers, etc. Global trade is only good short term. The longer term answer is to suffer the higher costs of localized/national production and increase local competition to reduce those costs. That way we do not lose the know how and become stronger as a country in producing everything we need. Self contained eco systems are something a lot of liberal people love to tote. I'm not even sure why anyone promotes self deprecating globalism. I don't want lower price tags in the USA, in fact I want the opposite. Higher price tags and more people who can afford those higher price tags. You don't get that by losing jobs to chop shop/kid labor overseas. We can export our industries then and build USA led businesses in the other countries without being forced to open up our IP or have less than 50% share. Let other countries fail in the meantime due to their poorly ran economies not succeed because they are just cheap since they have no laws on pollution or are 300% government subsidized.
This is about production in the USA. They planned to move it out of the USA even before the tariffs. I'm perfectly happy if they sell the bikes in Indonesia that they build in Indonesia. I don't want any country to suffer less employment opportunities. USA dwarfs any other place on the map as far as sales. If you move production away from USA you'll hurt sales in USA. It shouldn't be about saving a % here and there. It should be about supporting the economy.. which is why a lot of people who buy HD also buy "Made in USA."
5 total in Indonesia. That's how many HD stores that there are within 30 miles of me in Indiana :)
This too is bullshit since keeping the higher paid jobs here in the USA spreads the wealth to local service industry which creates more customers that can afford airpods and other imported chinese garbage. You think poor Chinese or Indonesian workers are buying Harley Davidson? No, USA factory and service workers are.
Blame the media. They'd rather cover Kardashians than the Whitsons or your local favorite city teacher. No expose on how education is done right or how programs that were started are actually doing with our tax payer money. If they do cover it it's done in the span of 30 seconds and rehashed nationally if it's headline worthy.
"Perhaps one day." Yeah, that will get 'er done vs doing spacewalks and manned flight and having the resources ready year in and out and training know how to do all of this safely. Perhaps one day we'll have automobiles. Perhaps one day we'll have blinking lights on a case people use to compute hard maths. Perhaps one day negative assholes will shove their heads so far up their ass they won't be able to post anymore.
Love this post. Thank you. Unfortunately it seems everyone is content in being consumers and more and more are born into this environment of not giving a fuck about freedoms.
+1 million. I almost think this outrage is actually governments just wanting to find a way to pass stricter laws against freedom so only the big corps can still contend while little companies go out of business trying to compete without billions of dollars. Nobody cares about pete's friend paul being known to XYZ company. Nobody. This is some bullshit crap to pass something none of us know of or to draw away eyes at something being passed that is worse than what these companies do.
I kind of giggle at stuff like this. I understand it offends but mocking current state of affairs actually helps relieve tension about it. I can even picture the pick your Avatar screens where you swipe between random socially dysfunctional white males. I say this after having a school shooting 2 miles from me and being genuinely worried and horrified for every child involved. You can have both laughter and absolute anger/disgust towards something. It's two entirely separate parts of you that each come from (at least in normal healthy people).
It blocks customers from using another provider outside Apple's ecosystem while providing no alternative for regular PC gaming on their line of smartphone devices. It's anti fair use, anti open source/technology, anti open market, and anti competition. I said you can't fault Apple for doing so since it is more profitable this way and I've argued in the past about slippery slope (once they allow Steam everyone will want to do it). But please spare me questions on how this is anti competition. It's the equivalent of Microsoft or Google blocking other search engines on their phones because they want ad revenue.