Unique device ID doesn't violate privacy whatsoever since there is no link to your name, address, etc..
It DOES however provide a great way of ensuring "trial" or "lite" apps handled by a server and doing what you intended in say limiting results or whatever.. it also is good for internal logs since you can refine your app by looking at how the app is used, both overall as well as individual patterns.
You don't need GPS, personal or any other information at all to provide LOTS of benefits and an IMPROVED app once you have a access to a unique ID that doesn't involve registering username or whatever as annoying websites do.
I think a credible business would disclose in an open way what server transactions are involved on a per-app basis and with our new server suite being rolled out I know we will provide a web page per app detailing this so it's all open and above board and the benefits given.
Well yes it appears to be just a "teachers" version of facebook really.. way too close for facebook itself to ignore..
They're just (unnecessarily) buying themselves a whole bunch of aggravation by trading off the similarity in name recognition by hovering in the same domain.
Others with WAY different applications such as www.redbook.com and www.bluebook.com would be well out of facebook's aim however.
So I implemented first mobile POI & friend-to-friend app on WAP handsets in 2000.. and now in 2010 on re-entry to market with GPS enabled iPhone if I want to host ads on top based on location (duh, obvious) I am open to legal threat by Google for even touching this entire concept?
Regardless of intent/preventative aspects its still just a granted land-grab, here I claim all this land west of the river thing..
I can't count the number of times this whole "get ads while you walk down the streets" was pushed and done in various forms in 99/00 dotcom era and while I hated the idea done that way Google shouldn't now be granted in 2010 patent on "location based ads".. shut down the entire world and hand it to them on platter?
Legal wrangling & threats get won by those with biggest pockets.. simple.. de-facto monopoly granting right there in one.. thanks USPTO
No more concern than what Google is doing then.. they repeat the same give away method everywhere they turn and decimate business models of any already there making it VERY skewed.
With quarterly profit just announced US$1 Billion + they can afford to do this at competitors detriment who rely on "real" income in the normal way and who dont have benefit of large enough sise for ad support.
Good on someone with capacity to stick something back to Google for a change if thats what its going to do.
Google technology is image tile based and generated on demand - so out of luck having such a thing stored on any phone any decade soon now.
With vector you might stand a chance but still huge but least current capacities exist for it but download would be PC sync only as data costs otherwise nightmare.
Also.. what if your your mother persevered but your father couldn't be bothered (at the time, due to other pursuits, distractions, circumstances).. take it all into account before comparison of recognised qualification as total measure of "intelligence"
you missed Australia which also has reasonable converge
Well sort of.. Google has some *really* bizarre ommissions and inexplicable truncations even for a major street of a major CBD such as Melbourne.. go take a look!
What *IS* it with wealthy or tech guys when they don't have basic GPS tracking systems installed in their dangerous toys and hobbies?..and then we have everyone scurrying around here with ridiculous links to their favourite online mapping services thinking that's of any help.
What you need is something really simple.. "I am here... I am here.. I am $#%#%#" and updated as frequently as you'd like to afford the comms time.. it's not as if they can't afford it.. and now their life is on the line and too late to think "wish they had some way of knowing where I am.."
ridiculous oversight.
All the best to him of course.. and terrible.. but really.
Thanks so much for your unnecessary name calling posted as an anonymous coward followed by a list of your code skills, which, for some peculiar reason, you seem fit to include as relevant..
And you are so totallly convinced this guy has same death-or-glory wish as you I take it?
Yes get run over by a supertanker.. that's a MAN according to you..
Maybe he's had something terrible happen, has a chance, and would, right now, be thinking of being REALLY grateful right now of being rescued. You of course.. being such a MAN wouldn't..
You also seem to labour under the mistaken impression I don't know the value of man against elements.. sheesh.. I could list some stuff here but you don't seem the type to take notice since you jump to so many conclusions all on your own there..
Needless to say I wouldn't be in a hurry to go out anywhere with you..
All the best to you sir.
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Easy simple and cheap to hookup live GPS for realtime tracking and updating to a mapserver.. I do it in my car even when in civilisation.. let alone if I was going out to sea or up in the sky over wilderness!
If he's with Microsoft then has enough $ to buy satellite comms if *really* out of cheap-to-use standard mobile range..
I wish them all the best but if they had his track and time could concentrate in that area straight away instead of 4000 sq km of guessing and save precious time..
Why don't technologists with (or even without!) money USE the readily available technology for such basic primary safety?
no no no.. i hope you don't think it's a matter of just straight lines on a flat piece of paper exercise?:-)
Think about it - with multiple reflections between zillions of buildings OTA (observed time of arrival) methods used by Ericsson et al get confused - you may actually be close but the path is lot longer so you appear further away.
look at the specs & perf of each of the providers, Ericsson, Nokia etc.
Additionally these OTA are like thick bands and you won't always have 3 trying to pin you down as well - think country highway where they have just a pair point up and down - in that case you are just known to be SOMEWHERE in that radius at some distance +- from the tower - that's as good as it gets.. so the talk on "tracking you" and relating it aka GPS does get carried away somewhat..
These are all network based with out GPS handset assist of course!
Cells aren't also neatly geographically defined things either - they are regions of equal power and so this shape changes, varies in size according to density (high in city BIG in country) etc.
Sometimes your apparent position in terms of cell can jump around hugely across bays and harbours if you come into line of sight of a particularly good tower and out from another, actually closer.
Throw in multiple reflections (the typical way your signal gets to you) and you don't have "tracking" in the sort of sense that GPS does - so stop going on about it a if it does.
We did this stuff way back in 2000 so all these M$ bashing is sorta on the right side of the fence.. you know it's never "real" or never existed until *we* did it.. goes on all the time!
Around here (NSW in Australia) it is an AUTOMATIC loss of licence to: (a) be going over 130 km/h REGARDLESS (eg that will only be 20k over 110 national limit) (b) be over 45 over ANY limit
So unfortunately we can't "cruise at 140 in a 100" even on sunny day, wide open road, light traffic, everyone maintaining respectful distance - it's a massive by-numbers-only game around here:-((((
I wish it were different though!!
You know the really funny (sort of) thing??
The Govt has steadily reduced the highway patrol numbers over the past 15 years - I see FAR fewer of them in a general sense now compared to 80's. They just do "blitzes" in selected areas..
The results? people actually go FASTER so now you just run the risk and do your cruise at 125/130 in open country as are 90% of others so nice and safe and risk your licence by doing so but fewer cops means (slightly) less chance.
What the govt ahs done is to cust costs by reducing police numbers but gone nuts and installed millions of $ worth of cameras in main metro aterial roads and skimming big bucks and actually BUDGETING for what they expect to make (eg for hospitals - official press releases confirm!).
It's technically defined as going over the posted limit, set by the responsible authorities, and the understanding is that this is BAD ALL THE TIME.. right? WRONGO!
Driving on the road involves an infinite amount of constant judgement and "the speed limit" is only but one..
Around here they fiddled with zone change no less than 3 times on the edge of country town in 18 months meaning that a stretch of 200 m changed it status UP *and* DOWN from 50->80->50 km/h and WHERE this changeover varied by that distance.
So without ANY change in road and traffic conditions (town hasn't changed in 16 years we've been here) you could be doing 80, which is fine here, but under change 1 you're suddenly deemed to be doing 30 km/h OVER.. so this is BAD right!!??
so if a cop pings you you're so much toast! Try arguing with roadside cop about that (happened to me!) let alone teh courts - who rely mightily on the comparison of is "speed A > limit B" ?
But THEN they change their mind and bit of road you got pinged for then changes BACK to being included in outside 80 zone by the signs being moved further BACK towards town..
So NEXT time you do 80 (your reasonable speed being a constant here under the conditions) then you're suddenly deemed to be OK!!!???!!
Yet the only thing that has changed is the damn numbering..
Now I would argue in genuine situations such as crowded areas, schools, shopping area etc OF COURSE you drive with total limit AND safety adherence..
It would be HORRIBLE to mixup GPS control with all this as the maps would be totally screwed up and the driver MUST take responsbility 100% of the time - no matter what this magic (money earning) (low) limit is...
Our govt here just issues licences and reaps big money in fines by engineering ridiculous limits and you rarely have a legal chance in hell of challenging it..
A lot of the theory on contact patches, various forces etc are also horribly manipulated and influenced by the road surface (bumpy and otherwise) and of course what you find ON it! (sand, oil/diesel - god forbid!)
The upshot is that in a couple of closed stage road events where I've driven hard charging cars on road tires (Subaru STi, Nissan GT-R) you'd NEVER survive trying that on m/bike!
The cars can take an absolute pounding, compensate for bumps,dips,holes and with AWD esp go like a scalded cat all because of wheels and rubber everywhere.. whereas doing/trying that on a bike will just get you killed quickly.
so going wayyyyy back to grandparent+ poster where said they used support mbikes as were faster than cars in corners would only apply if cars were some bongo van with drinks esky in the back;-).. of course the said cars aren't going into attack mode and at anything less than insane speed on marginal roads it Is simply easier to go faster, overall, on a bike and 99% of cars.
local perf car mag did technical measurements on track of fast m/bike vs fast car and while lap times where within a whisker of each other on this particular circuit it's WHERE they were faster and slower that showed interesting things.
cut to the chase: car was FASTER IN CORNERS than bike, and bike ACCELERATED faster in straights so they had different advantages in diff places.
I've driven the circuit the mag used and you could setup a high speed drift in off camber bend with a good car (AWD Turbo GT-R) that you would NEVER contemplate/do on a bike (been riding 25+ yrs).
So your m/bike faster in "normal" road situation up to a point but cars actually faster and faster capable, in corners.
I have 5 kids 15..8 and they all have different interests and we live on 9 acres and I run 80+hr week software business www.findmap.com.au
We have Windows,OSX and Linux and they all have easy access to them when and if they want. I love it when the 8 year old can jump on the Mac and do what they want, and same for the eldest too.
Only the Playstation gets *too* much attention from the teenage boys so I kick them out into the sunshine if I think they're been on too long.
It all works out and even for the youngest doing pages, drawing, internet are as natural now as riding their bikes and just plain messing around outside.
But most of all let them be who they are, whether that be books, socialising or outdoors and keep an eye out to make sure they at least get all the options you can offer them and see which way they lean.
They regulated change to digital but entrenched interests in existing TV got ears of politicians so no effective service or anything new could make it to the digital channel (restrictions on news, sport etc..)
So please don't think move to "digital" == "better" when you take commercial interests and politics into account.
System manuals were all accessible and for a while there we knew more than the full time system manager.
Was a challenge to find out how to use system services called from FORTRAN (only compiler we had) but once mastered could trap CTRL-C and terminal echo etc to fully emulate secure login and when left running on terminal (good old DEC VT100!) looked like logged out and could capture all logins we could possibly want.
Unfortunately 99% of most stuff in most accounts were boring and we certainly didn't need to copy anyone else stuff to do our coursework and had no interest in doing anything with what we found - just poking around for interest sake and learning things.
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Unique device ID doesn't violate privacy whatsoever since there is no link to your name, address, etc..
It DOES however provide a great way of ensuring "trial" or "lite" apps handled by a server and doing what you intended in say limiting results or whatever.. it also is good for internal logs since you can refine your app by looking at how the app is used, both overall as well as individual patterns.
You don't need GPS, personal or any other information at all to provide LOTS of benefits and an IMPROVED app once you have a access to a unique ID that doesn't involve registering username or whatever as annoying websites do.
I think a credible business would disclose in an open way what server transactions are involved on a per-app basis and with our new server suite being rolled out I know we will provide a web page per app detailing this so it's all open and above board and the benefits given.
Well yes it appears to be just a "teachers" version of facebook really.. way too close for facebook itself to ignore..
They're just (unnecessarily) buying themselves a whole bunch of aggravation by trading off the similarity in name recognition by hovering in the same domain.
Others with WAY different applications such as www.redbook.com and www.bluebook.com would be well out of facebook's aim however.
.."not yet" being operative word.
So I implemented first mobile POI & friend-to-friend app on WAP handsets in 2000.. and now in 2010 on re-entry to market with GPS enabled iPhone if I want to host ads on top based on location (duh, obvious) I am open to legal threat by Google for even touching this entire concept?
Regardless of intent/preventative aspects its still just a granted land-grab, here I claim all this land west of the river thing..
I can't count the number of times this whole "get ads while you walk down the streets" was pushed and done in various forms in 99/00 dotcom era and while I hated the idea done that way Google shouldn't now be granted in 2010 patent on "location based ads".. shut down the entire world and hand it to them on platter?
Legal wrangling & threats get won by those with biggest pockets.. simple.. de-facto monopoly granting right there in one.. thanks USPTO
Very obvious thought as well as implementation.
Been done time and time again over the years in just about every technical platform.
Go away Google, this is plain patent abuse by the rich.
Then they're probably vector then, see above.
Poster was talking Google remember.. compare appls to apples as they say.
No more concern than what Google is doing then.. they repeat the same give away method everywhere they turn and decimate business models of any already there making it VERY skewed.
With quarterly profit just announced US$1 Billion + they can afford to do this at competitors detriment who rely on "real" income in the normal way and who dont have benefit of large enough sise for ad support.
Good on someone with capacity to stick something back to Google for a change if thats what its going to do.
Google technology is image tile based and generated on demand - so out of luck having such a thing stored on any phone any decade soon now.
With vector you might stand a chance but still huge but least current capacities exist for it but download would be PC sync only as data costs otherwise nightmare.
You don't get the convenience of having so much in one small package at your fingertips whenever you want it? .. wow
Also.. what if your your mother persevered but your father couldn't be bothered (at the time, due to other pursuits, distractions, circumstances).. take it all into account before comparison of recognised qualification as total measure of "intelligence"
you missed Australia which also has reasonable converge
Well sort of.. Google has some *really* bizarre ommissions and inexplicable truncations even for a major street of a major CBD such as Melbourne.. go take a look!
heh.. our UID close and right next to each others.. how about that lol.. world record?
oh well.. still leaves plenty of time to debate which is the most robust backup method after all then?
"no idea where to look"..
..and then we have everyone scurrying around here with ridiculous links to their favourite online mapping services thinking that's of any help.
What *IS* it with wealthy or tech guys when they don't have basic GPS tracking systems installed in their dangerous toys and hobbies?
What you need is something really simple.. "I am here... I am here.. I am $#%#%#" and updated as frequently as you'd like to afford the comms time.. it's not as if they can't afford it.. and now their life is on the line and too late to think "wish they had some way of knowing where I am.."
ridiculous oversight.
All the best to him of course.. and terrible.. but really.
Thanks so much for your unnecessary name calling posted as an anonymous coward followed by a list of your code skills, which, for some peculiar reason, you seem fit to include as relevant..
And you are so totallly convinced this guy has same death-or-glory wish as you I take it?
Yes get run over by a supertanker.. that's a MAN according to you..
Maybe he's had something terrible happen, has a chance, and would, right now, be thinking of being REALLY grateful right now of being rescued. You of course.. being such a MAN wouldn't..
You also seem to labour under the mistaken impression I don't know the value of man against elements.. sheesh.. I could list some stuff here but you don't seem the type to take notice since you jump to so many conclusions all on your own there..
Needless to say I wouldn't be in a hurry to go out anywhere with you..
All the best to you sir.
Easy simple and cheap to hookup live GPS for realtime tracking and updating to a mapserver.. I do it in my car even when in civilisation.. let alone if I was going out to sea or up in the sky over wilderness!
If he's with Microsoft then has enough $ to buy satellite comms if *really* out of cheap-to-use standard mobile range..
I wish them all the best but if they had his track and time could concentrate in that area straight away instead of 4000 sq km of guessing and save precious time..
Why don't technologists with (or even without!) money USE the readily available technology for such basic primary safety?
no no no.. i hope you don't think it's a matter of just straight lines on a flat piece of paper exercise? :-)
Think about it - with multiple reflections between zillions of buildings OTA (observed time of arrival) methods used by Ericsson et al get confused - you may actually be close but the path is lot longer so you appear further away.
look at the specs & perf of each of the providers, Ericsson, Nokia etc.
Additionally these OTA are like thick bands and you won't always have 3 trying to pin you down as well - think country highway where they have just a pair point up and down - in that case you are just known to be SOMEWHERE in that radius at some distance +- from the tower - that's as good as it gets.. so the talk on "tracking you" and relating it aka GPS does get carried away somewhat..
These are all network based with out GPS handset assist of course!
Story was from EU though - I hadn't seen GPS phones mentioned in there - that's all..
Stop going on about pinpoint precision etc.
Cells aren't also neatly geographically defined things either - they are regions of equal power and so this shape changes, varies in size according to density (high in city BIG in country) etc.
Sometimes your apparent position in terms of cell can jump around hugely across bays and harbours if you come into line of sight of a particularly good tower and out from another, actually closer.
Throw in multiple reflections (the typical way your signal gets to you) and you don't have "tracking" in the sort of sense that GPS does - so stop going on about it a if it does.
We did this stuff way back in 2000 so all these M$ bashing is sorta on the right side of the fence.. you know it's never "real" or never existed until *we* did it.. goes on all the time!
Alex.
yes - you're spot on there..
:-((((
Around here (NSW in Australia) it is an AUTOMATIC loss of licence to:
(a) be going over 130 km/h REGARDLESS (eg that will only be 20k over 110 national limit)
(b) be over 45 over ANY limit
So unfortunately we can't "cruise at 140 in a 100" even on sunny day, wide open road, light traffic, everyone maintaining respectful distance - it's a massive by-numbers-only game around here
I wish it were different though!!
You know the really funny (sort of) thing??
The Govt has steadily reduced the highway patrol numbers over the past 15 years - I see FAR fewer of them in a general sense now compared to 80's. They just do "blitzes" in selected areas..
The results? people actually go FASTER so now you just run the risk and do your cruise at 125/130 in open country as are 90% of others so nice and safe and risk your licence by doing so but fewer cops means (slightly) less chance.
What the govt ahs done is to cust costs by reducing police numbers but gone nuts and installed millions of $ worth of cameras in main metro aterial roads and skimming big bucks and actually BUDGETING for what they expect to make (eg for hospitals - official press releases confirm!).
This is all "safety" of course don't you know!!
cheers,
It's technically defined as going over the posted limit, set by the responsible authorities, and the understanding is that this is BAD ALL THE TIME.. right? WRONGO!
Driving on the road involves an infinite amount of constant judgement and "the speed limit" is only but one..
Around here they fiddled with zone change no less than 3 times on the edge of country town in 18 months meaning that a stretch of 200 m changed it status UP *and* DOWN from 50->80->50 km/h and WHERE this changeover varied by that distance.
So without ANY change in road and traffic conditions (town hasn't changed in 16 years we've been here) you could be doing 80, which is fine here, but under change 1 you're suddenly deemed to be doing 30 km/h OVER.. so this is BAD right!!??
so if a cop pings you you're so much toast! Try arguing with roadside cop about that (happened to me!) let alone teh courts - who rely mightily on the comparison of is "speed A > limit B" ?
But THEN they change their mind and bit of road you got pinged for then changes BACK to being included in outside 80 zone by the signs being moved further BACK towards town..
So NEXT time you do 80 (your reasonable speed being a constant here under the conditions) then you're suddenly deemed to be OK!!!???!!
Yet the only thing that has changed is the damn numbering..
Now I would argue in genuine situations such as crowded areas, schools, shopping area etc OF COURSE you drive with total limit AND safety adherence..
It would be HORRIBLE to mixup GPS control with all this as the maps would be totally screwed up and the driver MUST take responsbility 100% of the time - no matter what this magic (money earning) (low) limit is...
Our govt here just issues licences and reaps big money in fines by engineering ridiculous limits and you rarely have a legal chance in hell of challenging it..
A lot of the theory on contact patches, various forces etc are also horribly manipulated and influenced by the road surface (bumpy and otherwise) and of course what you find ON it! (sand, oil/diesel - god forbid!)
;-) .. of course the said cars aren't going into attack mode and at anything less than insane speed on marginal roads it Is simply easier to go faster, overall, on a bike and 99% of cars.
The upshot is that in a couple of closed stage road events where I've driven hard charging cars on road tires (Subaru STi, Nissan GT-R) you'd NEVER survive trying that on m/bike!
The cars can take an absolute pounding, compensate for bumps,dips,holes and with AWD esp go like a scalded cat all because of wheels and rubber everywhere.. whereas doing/trying that on a bike will just get you killed quickly.
so going wayyyyy back to grandparent+ poster where said they used support mbikes as were faster than cars in corners would only apply if cars were some bongo van with drinks esky in the back
all good fun!
Alex.
local perf car mag did technical measurements on track of fast m/bike vs fast car and while lap times where within a whisker of each other on this particular circuit it's WHERE they were faster and slower that showed interesting things.
cut to the chase: car was FASTER IN CORNERS than bike, and bike ACCELERATED faster in straights so they had different advantages in diff places.
I've driven the circuit the mag used and you could setup a high speed drift in off camber bend with a good car (AWD Turbo GT-R) that you would NEVER contemplate/do on a bike (been riding 25+ yrs).
So your m/bike faster in "normal" road situation up to a point but cars actually faster and faster capable, in corners.
cheers!
I have 5 kids 15..8 and they all have different interests and we live on 9 acres and I run 80+hr week software business www.findmap.com.au
We have Windows,OSX and Linux and they all have easy access to them when and if they want. I love it when the 8 year old can jump on the Mac and do what they want, and same for the eldest too.
Only the Playstation gets *too* much attention from the teenage boys so I kick them out into the sunshine if I think they're been on too long.
It all works out and even for the youngest doing pages, drawing, internet are as natural now as riding their bikes and just plain messing around outside.
But most of all let them be who they are, whether that be books, socialising or outdoors and keep an eye out to make sure they at least get all the options you can offer them and see which way they lean.
Alex.
.. when they did this.
They regulated change to digital but entrenched interests in existing TV got ears of politicians so no effective service or anything new could make it to the digital channel (restrictions on news, sport etc..)
So please don't think move to "digital" == "better" when you take commercial interests and politics into account.
Alex.
.. to do something similar at Uni.
System manuals were all accessible and for a while there we knew more than the full time system manager.
Was a challenge to find out how to use system services called from FORTRAN (only compiler we had) but once mastered could trap CTRL-C and terminal echo etc to fully emulate secure login and when left running on terminal (good old DEC VT100!) looked like logged out and could capture all logins we could possibly want.
Unfortunately 99% of most stuff in most accounts were boring and we certainly didn't need to copy anyone else stuff to do our coursework and had no interest in doing anything with what we found - just poking around for interest sake and learning things.
Alex.