If publishers don't want it to happen, then they need to code their games in such a way where it's not possible. Otherwise, the reality of the situation is that people are going to do it so they better make sure it happens in a way that doesn't harm their game.
As it is now, publishers are pretty much burying their heads in the sand on the issue. SOE being the exception, as they allow cash to money/item trades in game on some servers in EQ2.
Of course, you lose the integrated calendars stuff, but that's a sacrifice you may have to make.
If you use Google calender there are plugins for email clients(like Thunderbird) that tie into that, so you don't even have to lose that functionality.
IT departments should support technology, not software.
No. In IT if you allow people to use a piece of software or hardware, you end up having to support it. And a lot of the stuff out there is horribly coded and designed.
By not allowing it in the first place you then have the option to tell the user to sodd off when it doesn't work for them. That lets you focus on real issues rather than trying to get Tom's new toy to work with your systems.
I'm just wondering why so many open source users have disdain for companies not open sourcing their software when it is potentially against their aims to do so.
Yeah, but it's really not against their interest for hardware vendors. ATI and NVidia sell hardware, not software, so it makes little sense for them to keep their drivers closed source. They're not going to expose any IP they couldn't patent or the competition doesn't already know about.
And the reason Linux users want open source drivers is because they work better than closed source ones. I don't buy ATI specifically because their close source drivers suck. I buy NVidia because despite their drivers being closed source, they do a good enough job with them. If ATI got their act together and put out a good open source driver I'd switch to them in a heartbeat as I'm sure many other Linux users would.
So now you have people customizing their computer, choosing Ubuntu to save $50, $80 whatever it is, getting the computer at home and then having the realization they just got what they paid for.
I totally disagree with this. Outside of playing video games, a pre-installed Linux system will do everything a home user wants and needs.
... that almost anyone clued in enough to decide that they want Ubuntu would be clued up enough to just buy the Windows version and install Ubuntu dual boot. Most linux users still have some use for windows and its lice to have it legally.
Eh. I've worked with Linux since 1993, I've been a Linux admin for 8 years and I'm very interested in buying a laptop with Ubuntu pre-installed on it so I know that all the hardware "just works".
Soon as dell has a decent Linux laptop that'll run games and has DVI-out, I'll buy one.
Where did you buys yours? Did a quick search on the net but I haven't seen anyone selling them. I'd kill for a slim, rugged cell phone that was just a phone.
Drivers don't have to be a particular license for Linux, Nvidia has been doing their own drivers on Linux for years now just fine. It's just that ATI's drivers suck.
Also you aren't restricted to using a particular license for QT. You can purchase a licensed version of QT and use any license you want. You're only required to use a GPL license for QT if you use the free version of QT, which is GPL'd. But if you want a free lunch you can always use GTK which is what GNOME uses.
Why is this such a sore spot for so many people? Just because MySql no longer supports the flavor of the month distro of Linux, you all throw up your hands crying 'I never liked you anyway'.
First off, Debian stable isn't a "flavor of the month". It's been one of the most robust server distributions of Linux for over a decade. And people are pissy because these kinds of decisions very much affect what flavor of Linux goes into server rooms. I know companies that won't use CentOS over Red Hat because certain hardware vendors only support Red Hat.
If you believe that God created the world in 7 days, then on one of those days He created dinosaurs, and on one of those days He created humans. Therefore, humans and dinosaurs coexisted.
Not really. He could've just created the fossils in the ground along with the oil and what-not. They didn't have to be roaming the earth at any point during those 7 days.
The issue with GPL for software languages is when you link to the library. For example, if I use QT's C++ libs to build a GUI, my code would have to be GPL since the libs I'm using are GPL. How you get around this is dual licensing. For QT if I want to make a commercial app, I'll need to buy a license from Troll Tech for a non-GPL version of QT. For Java, you'd just download the non-GPL version of their JDK.
The net effect of this is that Linux dists can distribute the GPL Java with no strings attached and GPL code writters can count on a solid java VM on any distribution they want to write code for. Commercial kids will just continue to use the Sun licensed version of Java.
Micro Soft is promising not to sue Suse users' asses off. That's what this is about.
Yeah but IBM, Sun and Oracle still can. And I don't think they'd allow MS to bully SUSE into being the only Linux around.
Just to add some prospective (and play devil's advocate), try this on for size: Most children are required to attend school.
First off, you can home school. So your kid isn't required to be at a public school. Second, you can write to the school excusing your child from recess if you're really worried about them getting hurt from playing outside.
I really don't even think the transition will be that big of a deal. We can use alternate fuel sources right now, it's just cheaper to use oil. Once oil prices go up, the alternatives will become more economical.
To put this another way, imagine if 15-20 years ago all college computer labs were full of Apple/Mac computers?
Um, they were. MACs, NeXT and Unix desktops dominated computer labs on campuses and Windows/DOS boxes were non-existant. Apple always had a big teacher discount program and used to be the #1 computer you'd find in the sub-college classroom too. What happened though is that people that used computers at work wanted one for work at home, so they bought that type of computer(IBM). Kids who played with the computer at home then played on that "work" computer.
Don't know if the same dynamic would work today though, since "home" PCs are used for more than just work.
I hear that if you end up in prison you should be lifting weights there as well. But it's sort of sad that our public school systems are no better than a prison, no?
Personally I was always a small kid so I just countered it by being more violent. One time a kid was picking on me, pulling the hood of my sweat shirt, so I stabbed him with a pencil. I still have that level of violence in me today(heavily supressed) and I find it very sad that I live in a world that required me to develop it.
Look, nobody takes this more seriously than me. That condo was my life, okay? I loved every stick of furniture in that place. That was not just a bunch of stuff that got destroyed, it was ME!
... the Free World mentality. It must be something like the grown men who devote their spare time to creating their own race car: it looks cool, they did it all by themselves, but it will never run on a track or even down the street, just sit there with its chrome ClassPath logo shining in the sun, watching the Toyotas speed by. These people would love to get all the hard won knowledge of the professional racing teams for free.
Huh? You do realize that 90% or more of the internet runs on free software right? The Free World mentality is not some hobbiest agenda, it's a software design philosphy that has created billions of dollars in revenue for business across the world.
There are ways around that actually. You can use deniable cryptography in which you have multiple containers of encryption within the same volume like layers of an onion.
You can tell that there's encryption there, but it's impossible to know how many levels of it exist. So in court you cough up the first level which contains your mp3 collection, level your other data secure.
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If publishers don't want it to happen, then they need to code their games in such a way where it's not possible. Otherwise, the reality of the situation is that people are going to do it so they better make sure it happens in a way that doesn't harm their game.
As it is now, publishers are pretty much burying their heads in the sand on the issue. SOE being the exception, as they allow cash to money/item trades in game on some servers in EQ2.
Remember, it's not about working well with others
Hence "open standards" and why one shouldn't install server technology that doesn't support them.
Of course, you lose the integrated calendars stuff, but that's a sacrifice you may have to make.
If you use Google calender there are plugins for email clients(like Thunderbird) that tie into that, so you don't even have to lose that functionality.
IT departments should support technology, not software.
No. In IT if you allow people to use a piece of software or hardware, you end up having to support it. And a lot of the stuff out there is horribly coded and designed.
By not allowing it in the first place you then have the option to tell the user to sodd off when it doesn't work for them. That lets you focus on real issues rather than trying to get Tom's new toy to work with your systems.
I'm just wondering why so many open source users have disdain for companies not open sourcing their software when it is potentially against their aims to do so.
Yeah, but it's really not against their interest for hardware vendors. ATI and NVidia sell hardware, not software, so it makes little sense for them to keep their drivers closed source. They're not going to expose any IP they couldn't patent or the competition doesn't already know about.
And the reason Linux users want open source drivers is because they work better than closed source ones. I don't buy ATI specifically because their close source drivers suck. I buy NVidia because despite their drivers being closed source, they do a good enough job with them. If ATI got their act together and put out a good open source driver I'd switch to them in a heartbeat as I'm sure many other Linux users would.
So now you have people customizing their computer, choosing Ubuntu to save $50, $80 whatever it is, getting the computer at home and then having the realization they just got what they paid for.
I totally disagree with this. Outside of playing video games, a pre-installed Linux system will do everything a home user wants and needs.
... that almost anyone clued in enough to decide that they want Ubuntu would be clued up enough to just buy the Windows version and install Ubuntu dual boot. Most linux users still have some use for windows and its lice to have it legally.
Eh. I've worked with Linux since 1993, I've been a Linux admin for 8 years and I'm very interested in buying a laptop with Ubuntu pre-installed on it so I know that all the hardware "just works".
Soon as dell has a decent Linux laptop that'll run games and has DVI-out, I'll buy one.
WTF? Did you contact the NNA, National Nuclear Association?
Where did you buys yours? Did a quick search on the net but I haven't seen anyone selling them. I'd kill for a slim, rugged cell phone that was just a phone.
Drivers don't have to be a particular license for Linux, Nvidia has been doing their own drivers on Linux for years now just fine. It's just that ATI's drivers suck.
Also you aren't restricted to using a particular license for QT. You can purchase a licensed version of QT and use any license you want. You're only required to use a GPL license for QT if you use the free version of QT, which is GPL'd. But if you want a free lunch you can always use GTK which is what GNOME uses.
This is why there is only 1 car manufacturer. 1 brand of soda, shoes, toothe paste and so on.
Consumers would get confused if they had to choose from 15 different versions of laundry detergent, so we only have Tide.
Why is this such a sore spot for so many people? Just because MySql no longer supports the flavor of the month distro of Linux, you all throw up your hands crying 'I never liked you anyway'.
First off, Debian stable isn't a "flavor of the month". It's been one of the most robust server distributions of Linux for over a decade. And people are pissy because these kinds of decisions very much affect what flavor of Linux goes into server rooms. I know companies that won't use CentOS over Red Hat because certain hardware vendors only support Red Hat.
If you believe that God created the world in 7 days, then on one of those days He created dinosaurs, and on one of those days He created humans. Therefore, humans and dinosaurs coexisted.
Not really. He could've just created the fossils in the ground along with the oil and what-not. They didn't have to be roaming the earth at any point during those 7 days.
The issue with GPL for software languages is when you link to the library. For example, if I use QT's C++ libs to build a GUI, my code would have to be GPL since the libs I'm using are GPL. How you get around this is dual licensing. For QT if I want to make a commercial app, I'll need to buy a license from Troll Tech for a non-GPL version of QT. For Java, you'd just download the non-GPL version of their JDK.
The net effect of this is that Linux dists can distribute the GPL Java with no strings attached and GPL code writters can count on a solid java VM on any distribution they want to write code for. Commercial kids will just continue to use the Sun licensed version of Java.
Micro Soft is promising not to sue Suse users' asses off. That's what this is about. Yeah but IBM, Sun and Oracle still can. And I don't think they'd allow MS to bully SUSE into being the only Linux around.
Just to add some prospective (and play devil's advocate), try this on for size: Most children are required to attend school.
First off, you can home school. So your kid isn't required to be at a public school. Second, you can write to the school excusing your child from recess if you're really worried about them getting hurt from playing outside.
I really don't even think the transition will be that big of a deal. We can use alternate fuel sources right now, it's just cheaper to use oil. Once oil prices go up, the alternatives will become more economical.
To put this another way, imagine if 15-20 years ago all college computer labs were full of Apple/Mac computers?
Um, they were. MACs, NeXT and Unix desktops dominated computer labs on campuses and Windows/DOS boxes were non-existant. Apple always had a big teacher discount program and used to be the #1 computer you'd find in the sub-college classroom too. What happened though is that people that used computers at work wanted one for work at home, so they bought that type of computer(IBM). Kids who played with the computer at home then played on that "work" computer.
Don't know if the same dynamic would work today though, since "home" PCs are used for more than just work.
I hear that if you end up in prison you should be lifting weights there as well. But it's sort of sad that our public school systems are no better than a prison, no?
Personally I was always a small kid so I just countered it by being more violent. One time a kid was picking on me, pulling the hood of my sweat shirt, so I stabbed him with a pencil. I still have that level of violence in me today(heavily supressed) and I find it very sad that I live in a world that required me to develop it.
Look, nobody takes this more seriously than me. That condo was my life, okay? I loved every stick of furniture in that place. That was not just a bunch of stuff that got destroyed, it was ME!
2% of the real world's population owns 98% of the wealth, so I don't see how it'd stop a virtual economy.
The way around your system:
What if I just put up a rusty sword with a 10k gold buyout? Then someone can "give" me 10k gold, just by buying that useless item.
... the Free World mentality. It must be something like the grown men who devote their spare time to creating their own race car: it looks cool, they did it all by themselves, but it will never run on a track or even down the street, just sit there with its chrome ClassPath logo shining in the sun, watching the Toyotas speed by. These people would love to get all the hard won knowledge of the professional racing teams for free.
Huh? You do realize that 90% or more of the internet runs on free software right? The Free World mentality is not some hobbiest agenda, it's a software design philosphy that has created billions of dollars in revenue for business across the world.
I don't know about you, but I plan on living forever.
So far, so good.
There are ways around that actually. You can use deniable cryptography in which you have multiple containers of encryption within the same volume like layers of an onion.
You can tell that there's encryption there, but it's impossible to know how many levels of it exist. So in court you cough up the first level which contains your mp3 collection, level your other data secure.