Justice Holmes was merely making a completely hypothetical and paranthetical aside in Schenk v US with his Fire remark. First of all, that case was heard in 1919, wartime. World-wartime. During these times, the older parts of the Constitution give the government a little more power -- like to put the Japs in concentration camps during WW2 (as affirmed in Korematsu v United states in 1944). Schenk has nothing to do with movie theaters. The "speech" in question was propagranda leaflets being circulated which among other things declared that the Conscription Act (military draft) was a violation of the Thirteenth Amendment (slavery). The undisputed intent of the documents were to impede both volunteering and drafting, an intent which violated the Espionage Act of 1917. This posed a clear and imminent threat to the security of the US -- the ONLY situation in which free speech may be infringed.
The Supreme Court has heard no case in which either the Federal Govt or the states have attempted to prosecute a theater-fire-yeller. There are no laws, there are no precedents. Justices tend to become off-topic in their opinions (sort of like this thread), but what Holmes said was no Footnote Four that has had any post-ruling influence. And by the way, in pretty much every subsequent free speech case (other than DMCA-affirming cases like Eldred v Ashcroft) and the lower courts' encounter with Emmanuel Goldstein's DeCSS crusade, the Supreme Court has opted to strengthen the protection of free speech.
So, as I said, it is legal to yell fire in a theater as it does not violate any law (a law which does not exist because what it would be prohibiting does not pose a direct and imminent threat to the Federal Government.
But I invite you to test it out -- maybe you'll get famous.
Microsoft's market cap is $268 billion. Microsoft has $52b in cash at the moment and their speculated value is $268 billion. Time Warner (NYSE:TWX)'s market cap is now $76 billion. With a small loan, asset sale or just by using some of Bill's own cash, they could easily buy Time Warner (along with AOL) and their 35 million subscribers, or just make a deal with TW for their AOL business (TW does a lot of other stuff).
The nature of software and the Internet is such that the more people who use a companies stuff, for compatability's sake, the more inclined other people are to sign up. So As far as branding goes, AOL has the most solid association with "the Internet" in Joe Consumer's mind, even despite MSFT's shoving MSN in your face upon installation. If Microsoft could shove AOL in your face on installation, imagine how the odds of someone signing up to their online service would increase.
The nature of software and the Internet is such that the more people who use a companies stuff, for compatability's sake, the more inclined other people are to sign up. MSFT could afford it, and as AOL has always been regarded as a going concern (profitable or not), it's in MSFT's best interests to buy. The only reason I can see to avoid this acquisition is the threat of more antitrust litigation -- MSFT's biggest thrn (#2 being Linux I'd guess).
If it is in the interests of protecting our economy, and one could argue that this guy's extradition and prosecution falls under those interests (not to mention giving momentum to a legal precedent like this for more serious crimes), not much will stop the US from acting.. and why should it?
Whatever damage done to our society by this man's crime would have been no worse had his IP popped up on our soil in xtraceroute. If we have the clout to persuade a country to turn over anyone whose crime is of this techno-era location-ambiguous nature, and if we want to reserve the right to do the same to child pornographers and destructive hackers, we should exercise that clout now.
I know this is difficult, but pretend this isn't Slashdot where software must be free and open source and piracy is k-rad -- pretend this guy was cybersexing your prepubescent sister, and upon her viewing a goatse picture that he emailed her after a conversation in which he described his fantasies of using her face as a target for various liquids, she developed Post Traumatic Stress Disorder and was scarred for life. Would you want the prosecutor to throw in the towel because the guy was on the Principality of Sealand at the time? Of course not, right?
So shouldn't we keep that door open even if it means one of Us is gonna do some time for contributing some elite.torrents to suprnova.org? Because you can't really have one without the other.
right on man, i hate jerkoffs like this guy. The stigma gets perpetuated when people separate psychological from somatic diseases, make dumbass jokes, etc.
By the way, bipolar disorder has a mortality rate of 20% which is higher than those of most heart diseases and cancer. In other words, if you have a bipolar kid and a kid with cancer, it is likely that the crazy kid will outlive the cancer boy. And manic depression is a much easier disorder to deal with than schizophrenia, despite what you may have deduced from watching A Beautiful Mind. If you're schizo, you're basically fucked.
Hey asshole. Schizophrenia is a psychotic disorder, usually supplemented by major mood malfunctions. It is not the Hollywood multiple personality disorder you're suggesting. What you're thinking of is called Dissociative Identity Disorder. Someone may have both Schizophrenia and DID, but that would be the same as someone having diabetes and cancer. Some comorbidity perhaps, but they are separate diseases.
Yeah I know this is off-topic from an already off-topic post but if you're going to make wisecracks using references to psychological diseases, at least one of which by the way is possessed by roughly 17% of us, use the fucking correct terminology.
Also, be thankful you don't have a major personality or mood disorder like Schizophrenia, Schizoaffective Disorder, Bipolar, and so on. It's a real pain in the ass, having one of those, and you don't get nailed with it for sharing needles or banging a cheap hooker. You're born with it, and it's likely your children will be too.
This thing would make a hell of a badass business gift, better than a box of Cubans. Men like control, to feel like God, and forbidding anyone near you from using their phone is quite empowering. And the more people who own these things, the happier I am. Am I the only one who doesn't own a goddamn cellphone?
Anyway, if any of you are fixin' to buy one, I've collected some links:
I'm not sure how many mod points you got because I have all troll modified comments set at +5, but let me say this, I put you on my "friends" list even though you already were a friend of a friend. Thank you for having and sharing an incredible sense of humor.
I'm not sure why everyone's under this impression. SCO's stock price is right in the middle of its three month high and low, which is roughly 1500% higher than its price a year ago.
Not to mention its price to earnings ratio is an impressive 45, which will support a tech stock from "going down the tubes." All this Slashdot excitement has generated no apparent volume of SCO trading on Wall Street.
I'm not a fan of the company, but let's avoid talking out of our asses about a company's financial situation.
I hate correcting a fellow Pine fan (actually I prefer Elm), but an MTA, a mail transfer agent, routes mail around using the simple mail transfer protocol. These daemons include sendmail, qmail, postfix, exim and others; whereas Pine is an email client which requires an mta to operate, either remotely or locally.
Parenthetically, the MTA you may be using when running Pine just might be a Microsoft mail server... so beware.
Links: Pine, Elm,Postfix, qmail. Might as well throw Lynx (web) and BitchX (irc) out there for you oldschool turbo C shell users.
Home this gets me some karma:)
Glad there are some people out there not using GUIs for simple purposes like these. I hate the mouse.
A product's value is whatever it was most recently traded for. A product's price is whatever the guy who's pushing it chooses it to be. That could be set based on a random number generator, it could be a number restrained by cash flow, maybe theories that one's product will lead to sales of another product from which they will profit (even if they're selling at a loss), or just a number set usingGiffen Good strategies.
However, no matter how you slice it, playing any market, including the market of life itself, is a zero sum game.
Maybe if they didn't spend R&D time and money on useless features, their products would be more affordable.
A product's worth is not a function of its production cost. In a free market, a product or service's worth is the amount the last guy who bought it was willing to pony up.
"Getting the word out" to stop patronizing spammers will not curb spamming because spamming is a free, quick and easy method to reach however many people you want. Once you find yourself a list of harvested email addresses and an open relay, sending an advertisement to hundreds of thousands of people with a few clicks for zero dollars is something you would not be deterred from doing because of diminished hit rates caused by a campaign you're suggesting.
As time passes, more people figure out how to spam and more email addresses get snagged by harvesting. This will keep the flow of spam increasing exponentially no matter what curbs we come up with. At least it's creating a market for anti-spam products, as well as offering the larger ISPs something to claim they know how to defeat in their advertisements. Good for the economy.
Now what we do have a shot at getting rid of is real-life leafletting. Nothing pisses me off more than these Bush-approved illegals obstructing my path on the sidewalk to shove some piece of paper advertising cheap suits in my face. Maybe this is only something that bothers fellow New Yorkers though...
So you can watch your zero day bittorrent mpegs on your home theater in the living room without having to use 30 feet of RCA cables to get the signal to your TV from your analog video/sound outs (or a wireless tranceiver if you can afford one). This is a good thing because doing it the analog way will make the quality suck, especially if you're using a long stretch of RCAs; whereas Linksys's product will achieve the same [somewhat] losslessly.
The data rate direct-to-Earth varies from about 12,000 bits per second to 3,500 bits per second (roughly a third as fast as a standard home modem). The data rate to the orbiters is a constant 128,000 bits per second (4 times faster than a home modem). An orbiter passes over the rover and is in the vicinity of the sky to communicate with the rovers for about eight minutes at a time, per sol. In that time, about 60 megabits of data (about 1/100 of a CD) can be transmitted to an orbiter. That same 60 megabits would take between 1.5 and 5 hours to transmit direct to Earth.
Your whole "raytracing algorhythms" world confuses me. All I know is I'm looking at a very aesthetically pleasing website (blender's) which was, I'm guessing, designed in UNIX, maybe not. If it was made exclusively with *nix ware, that's good enough for me to ditch everything Macromedia and delete my Windows partition.
Anyone know which progs might have been used to whip up their site (other than vi)? What are your favorite eyecandy web progs? Sorry to get offtopic and thank you for the info, slashdot folks!
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It's human nature to want to experience something few ever do, like supersonic speed. And more importantly, it's human nature to want to feel superior to everyone else. I'm guessing that's why that Boeing jet failed which, while quite fast, was slower than sound. Not to mention it is human nature to dislike being trapped in a plane for twenty hours.
Though I myself am a Greyhound man (17 hrs a weekend to see my girlfriend), there's a large clump of us with deep pockets; and for the above motives, in a market with no competitors, an airline with one of these puppies in their fleet can name its price for tickets and people will buy them. Especially since the Concorde was thought to be the end of all passanger supersonic travel, there's an increased excitement and novelty to this particular prospect. People will want to fly on this thing, and some of those people can actually afford to do so in such a way that the airline and the people behind the plane's construction and production will remain in, or eventually climb to, the black.
Plus all that stuff about it being efficient, quiet, larger capacity and range, twice as fast, yada yada... My point is supersonic travel will always be at least a "going concern" and one day perhaps profitable.
At the very least, it'll make a country look good to have one of these babies -- the prime reason the UK subsidized the unprofitable Concorde.
When this happened in NYC several years ago, techno-alarmists would get to retain their privacy while taking advantage of the Metrocard convenience by swapping Metrocards with fellow hackers at weekly 2600 meetings at the Citicorp building. Perhaps something similar will start with our paranoid London counterparts and their 2600-equivilant meetings.
By the way, NYC has completely phased out tokens. In doing so, they are also phasing out mass-transit employees with sizable layoffs. And they upped the fare from $1.50 to $2. They save money with the more effecient machines and the fare hike, but at the same time thirst for more dollars by laying off lots of good people whom I prefer to deal with over computers. Bastards.
Agreed. My box is getting dozens of filtered SoBig notifications every day. I'm not that paranoid that the wicked screensaver emails I would otherwise be receiving might be false-positives, and I imagine the same is true for most others; but for those who want to know about everything that is addressed to them, the filterware out there ought to let them opt-in. This is an unnecessary waste of server/network resources that clutters my emailing experience more than it already is.
Another benefit of the recent larger wave of holes and subsequent exploits is a profitable boom in the antivirus stock sector. Bad things create demand for remedies and often it ultimately is good for the economy.
eDigital's been selling their Odyssey 1000 player for a very long time, which is almost the size of an iPod, stores 20GB, and though it doesn't appear to have a line-in, it does have a built-in mic to record your lectures. Also, its mic does the voice-recognition thing so you can cue up your Phish shows without having to press any annoying buttons. Battery lasts 12hrs, and it also sports an FM tuner.
I'd say maybe they're using a superfluous amount because "1000 access points" has a nicer zing to it than "we have 462 aps" does, which may have been the actual number needed if it were based on how much area was needed to cover. Keep in mind, a lot of this is to impress people to attract attention, money and applicants to a school. Touting that number is more buzz-worthy than saying We cover X square feet. You hear that, and you think, "Hot-damn, that's a lot of access points! They must really care about network accessability when I'm on the go." Marketing.
Last time I've checked, Drexel University in Philadelphia held this wireless title, not to mention the fastest Internet link of any university. When an announcement touts a school like this with "could be" instead of "is" makes me suspicious that they worded it in a way that could either allow what they're claiming to be false, or they didn't bother to fact check to confirm its validity.
Anyone know more about where Drexel weighs in? Kind of a silly pissing contest, but having the Best or Fastest (blank) for a school is good marketing.
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Justice Holmes was merely making a completely hypothetical and paranthetical aside in Schenk v US with his Fire remark. First of all, that case was heard in 1919, wartime. World-wartime. During these times, the older parts of the Constitution give the government a little more power -- like to put the Japs in concentration camps during WW2 (as affirmed in Korematsu v United states in 1944). Schenk has nothing to do with movie theaters. The "speech" in question was propagranda leaflets being circulated which among other things declared that the Conscription Act (military draft) was a violation of the Thirteenth Amendment (slavery). The undisputed intent of the documents were to impede both volunteering and drafting, an intent which violated the Espionage Act of 1917. This posed a clear and imminent threat to the security of the US -- the ONLY situation in which free speech may be infringed.
The Supreme Court has heard no case in which either the Federal Govt or the states have attempted to prosecute a theater-fire-yeller. There are no laws, there are no precedents. Justices tend to become off-topic in their opinions (sort of like this thread), but what Holmes said was no Footnote Four that has had any post-ruling influence. And by the way, in pretty much every subsequent free speech case (other than DMCA-affirming cases like Eldred v Ashcroft) and the lower courts' encounter with Emmanuel Goldstein's DeCSS crusade, the Supreme Court has opted to strengthen the protection of free speech.
So, as I said, it is legal to yell fire in a theater as it does not violate any law (a law which does not exist because what it would be prohibiting does not pose a direct and imminent threat to the Federal Government.
But I invite you to test it out -- maybe you'll get famous.
Contrary to popular assumption, there are no laws banning yelling fire in a theater.
The nature of software and the Internet is such that the more people who use a companies stuff, for compatability's sake, the more inclined other people are to sign up. So As far as branding goes, AOL has the most solid association with "the Internet" in Joe Consumer's mind, even despite MSFT's shoving MSN in your face upon installation. If Microsoft could shove AOL in your face on installation, imagine how the odds of someone signing up to their online service would increase.
The nature of software and the Internet is such that the more people who use a companies stuff, for compatability's sake, the more inclined other people are to sign up. MSFT could afford it, and as AOL has always been regarded as a going concern (profitable or not), it's in MSFT's best interests to buy. The only reason I can see to avoid this acquisition is the threat of more antitrust litigation -- MSFT's biggest thrn (#2 being Linux I'd guess).
Just use xtraceroute!
Whatever damage done to our society by this man's crime would have been no worse had his IP popped up on our soil in xtraceroute. If we have the clout to persuade a country to turn over anyone whose crime is of this techno-era location-ambiguous nature, and if we want to reserve the right to do the same to child pornographers and destructive hackers, we should exercise that clout now.
I know this is difficult, but pretend this isn't Slashdot where software must be free and open source and piracy is k-rad -- pretend this guy was cybersexing your prepubescent sister, and upon her viewing a goatse picture that he emailed her after a conversation in which he described his fantasies of using her face as a target for various liquids, she developed Post Traumatic Stress Disorder and was scarred for life. Would you want the prosecutor to throw in the towel because the guy was on the Principality of Sealand at the time? Of course not, right?
So shouldn't we keep that door open even if it means one of Us is gonna do some time for contributing some elite .torrents to suprnova.org? Because you can't really have one without the other.
By the way, bipolar disorder has a mortality rate of 20% which is higher than those of most heart diseases and cancer. In other words, if you have a bipolar kid and a kid with cancer, it is likely that the crazy kid will outlive the cancer boy. And manic depression is a much easier disorder to deal with than schizophrenia, despite what you may have deduced from watching A Beautiful Mind. If you're schizo, you're basically fucked.
Yeah I know this is off-topic from an already off-topic post but if you're going to make wisecracks using references to psychological diseases, at least one of which by the way is possessed by roughly 17% of us, use the fucking correct terminology.
Also, be thankful you don't have a major personality or mood disorder like Schizophrenia, Schizoaffective Disorder, Bipolar, and so on. It's a real pain in the ass, having one of those, and you don't get nailed with it for sharing needles or banging a cheap hooker. You're born with it, and it's likely your children will be too.
Insensitive clod.
Anyway, if any of you are fixin' to buy one, I've collected some links:
eBay cell jammer search, 20mw /15m range, 170GBP, schematics for you k-rad solder-iron-packin' phreakers, high-powered models50ft radius models, units effective up to 3Km!
That took a good 15 minutes... kindly hook me up with some karma, si vous plait. I've never had a +5
I'm not sure how many mod points you got because I have all troll modified comments set at +5, but let me say this, I put you on my "friends" list even though you already were a friend of a friend. Thank you for having and sharing an incredible sense of humor.
I'm not sure why everyone's under this impression. SCO's stock price is right in the middle of its three month high and low, which is roughly 1500% higher than its price a year ago.
Not to mention its price to earnings ratio is an impressive 45, which will support a tech stock from "going down the tubes." All this Slashdot excitement has generated no apparent volume of SCO trading on Wall Street.
I'm not a fan of the company, but let's avoid talking out of our asses about a company's financial situation.
That's cute, but it's important to remember that a website's greatest asset is traffic. Unless of course it's ICMP traffic.
Parenthetically, the MTA you may be using when running Pine just might be a Microsoft mail server... so beware.
Links: Pine, Elm, Postfix, qmail. Might as well throw Lynx (web) and BitchX (irc) out there for you oldschool turbo C shell users. Home this gets me some karma :)
Glad there are some people out there not using GUIs for simple purposes like these. I hate the mouse.
A product's value is whatever it was most recently traded for. A product's price is whatever the guy who's pushing it chooses it to be. That could be set based on a random number generator, it could be a number restrained by cash flow, maybe theories that one's product will lead to sales of another product from which they will profit (even if they're selling at a loss), or just a number set usingGiffen Good strategies.
However, no matter how you slice it, playing any market, including the market of life itself, is a zero sum game.
As time passes, more people figure out how to spam and more email addresses get snagged by harvesting. This will keep the flow of spam increasing exponentially no matter what curbs we come up with. At least it's creating a market for anti-spam products, as well as offering the larger ISPs something to claim they know how to defeat in their advertisements. Good for the economy.
Now what we do have a shot at getting rid of is real-life leafletting. Nothing pisses me off more than these Bush-approved illegals obstructing my path on the sidewalk to shove some piece of paper advertising cheap suits in my face. Maybe this is only something that bothers fellow New Yorkers though...
So you can watch your zero day bittorrent mpegs on your home theater in the living room without having to use 30 feet of RCA cables to get the signal to your TV from your analog video/sound outs (or a wireless tranceiver if you can afford one). This is a good thing because doing it the analog way will make the quality suck, especially if you're using a long stretch of RCAs; whereas Linksys's product will achieve the same [somewhat] losslessly.
Anyone know which progs might have been used to whip up their site (other than vi)? What are your favorite eyecandy web progs? Sorry to get offtopic and thank you for the info, slashdot folks!
Though I myself am a Greyhound man (17 hrs a weekend to see my girlfriend), there's a large clump of us with deep pockets; and for the above motives, in a market with no competitors, an airline with one of these puppies in their fleet can name its price for tickets and people will buy them. Especially since the Concorde was thought to be the end of all passanger supersonic travel, there's an increased excitement and novelty to this particular prospect. People will want to fly on this thing, and some of those people can actually afford to do so in such a way that the airline and the people behind the plane's construction and production will remain in, or eventually climb to, the black.
Plus all that stuff about it being efficient, quiet, larger capacity and range, twice as fast, yada yada... My point is supersonic travel will always be at least a "going concern" and one day perhaps profitable.
At the very least, it'll make a country look good to have one of these babies -- the prime reason the UK subsidized the unprofitable Concorde.
When this happened in NYC several years ago, techno-alarmists would get to retain their privacy while taking advantage of the Metrocard convenience by swapping Metrocards with fellow hackers at weekly 2600 meetings at the Citicorp building. Perhaps something similar will start with our paranoid London counterparts and their 2600-equivilant meetings.
By the way, NYC has completely phased out tokens. In doing so, they are also phasing out mass-transit employees with sizable layoffs. And they upped the fare from $1.50 to $2. They save money with the more effecient machines and the fare hike, but at the same time thirst for more dollars by laying off lots of good people whom I prefer to deal with over computers. Bastards.
Agreed. My box is getting dozens of filtered SoBig notifications every day. I'm not that paranoid that the wicked screensaver emails I would otherwise be receiving might be false-positives, and I imagine the same is true for most others; but for those who want to know about everything that is addressed to them, the filterware out there ought to let them opt-in. This is an unnecessary waste of server/network resources that clutters my emailing experience more than it already is.
Another benefit of the recent larger wave of holes and subsequent exploits is a profitable boom in the antivirus stock sector. Bad things create demand for remedies and often it ultimately is good for the economy.
eDigital's been selling their Odyssey 1000 player for a very long time, which is almost the size of an iPod, stores 20GB, and though it doesn't appear to have a line-in, it does have a built-in mic to record your lectures. Also, its mic does the voice-recognition thing so you can cue up your Phish shows without having to press any annoying buttons. Battery lasts 12hrs, and it also sports an FM tuner.
I'd say maybe they're using a superfluous amount because "1000 access points" has a nicer zing to it than "we have 462 aps" does, which may have been the actual number needed if it were based on how much area was needed to cover. Keep in mind, a lot of this is to impress people to attract attention, money and applicants to a school. Touting that number is more buzz-worthy than saying We cover X square feet. You hear that, and you think, "Hot-damn, that's a lot of access points! They must really care about network accessability when I'm on the go." Marketing.
Last time I've checked, Drexel University in Philadelphia held this wireless title, not to mention the fastest Internet link of any university. When an announcement touts a school like this with "could be" instead of "is" makes me suspicious that they worded it in a way that could either allow what they're claiming to be false, or they didn't bother to fact check to confirm its validity.
Anyone know more about where Drexel weighs in? Kind of a silly pissing contest, but having the Best or Fastest (blank) for a school is good marketing.